From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #55 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 055 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:44:28 -0500 From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: GOA Blasts Clinton, BATF Forwarding along... > As Congress Gets Set to Reconvene, > Your gun rights need protecting! > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >Friday, January 23, 1998 > > >GOA Blasts Clinton, BATF on Import Ban > > Gun Owners of America recently blasted the Clinton >administration for its continued assault on the Constitutional >rights of gun owners, and chided the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, >Tobacco and Firearms) for its overt hypocrisy in enforcing >firearms regulations. > > Gun Owners was responding to the President's decision from >November when he placed a 120-day freeze on the importation of >certain semi-automatic firearms. One White House official >described the gun ban this way: "We are taking the law and >bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of >guns." (Source: Los Angeles Times, 10/22/97.) > > At the end of this 120 day period, the Clinton >administration will make a final decision on whether the firearms >will be permanently banned. > > Earlier this month, GOA sent an official protest to the >Clinton administration after the Treasury Department (through the >BATF) solicited comments from several organizations, including >GOA. > > "The members of Gun Owners of America object to the >'sporting purposes' test itself," said GOA Executive Director >Larry Pratt. "The framers of our Bill of Rights wisely provided >for a 'right of the people to keep and bear arms,' and not for >the sake of deer hunting or competitive shooting." > > ACTION: Go to http://www.gunowners.org/import.htm to read >GOA's official testimony in its entirety. Tell your Congressman >that you support both bills in Congress (H.R. 2734 and H.R. 2721) >that would effectively invalidate any permanent import ban. > > [The latter bill, introduced by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), would >not only repeal the "sporting purposes" test which Clinton is >using to enforce the ban, the bill would also repeal the Brady >Law and the 1994 ban on semi-automatic firearms.] > > POSSIBLE ACTION: Gun Owners of America has asked the >Treasury department to extend the comment period on the import >ban proposal to individuals so that GOA members can send their >comments as well. Please stay tuned. > > >GOA Opposing Clinton-appointed, Anti-gun Judge > > Gun Owners of America has joined with several pro-freedom >groups to block a Clinton-appointed judge from taking a seat on >the federal bench. > > As early as next week, the Senate may consider the >nomination of Margaret Morrow to a U.S. District Court position. >Ms. Morrow is not only extremely anti-gun, she's a "judicial >activist" who thinks that judges can disregard the law and use >the court's rulings to reshape society. > > If nominated to the federal bench, she could affect the >outcome of several gun cases, and ensure that the federal courts >hand down even more anti-gun rulings. > > ACTION: Gun owners should call their senators at >1-800-522-6721 or 202-224-3121 and ask them to oppose the >Margaret Morrow nomination. The GOA website contains fax and >e-mail contact info for Congress. > > STAY TUNED for some good news in an upcoming alert regarding >Hatch's Horror Bill (S. 10)! > > >*********************************************************** >Are you receiving this as a cross-post? To be certain of >getting up-to-the-minute information, please consider >joining the GOA E-mail Alert Network directly. The service >is free, your address remains confidential, and the volume >is quite low: five messages a week would be a busy week >indeed. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward >this notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and include your >state of residence in either the subject line or the body. > ************************************************************** * "Just when you think you've got me figured out * * The season's already changing..." -- Meredith Brooks * * mestetsr@post.drexel.edu * ************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:38:56 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: RE: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Patricia Neill Reply-To: act@efn.org To: jadinardo@lucent.COM Subject: RE: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize (fwd) I mean, is life getting too weird and funny for words, or what? ROTFLMAOPIM= P (A new whatchamacallit coined by Barefoot ... last part is Peeing in My Pants ....=20 Patty Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:33:01 -0600 From: Ann Khan To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com, cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize 11.03 a.m. ET (1602 GMT) January 27, 1998 OSLO, Norway (AP) =97 President Clinton has been nominated for the 1998 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to protect world peace and promote democracy, three Norwegian legislators announced today.=20 Clinton, embroiled in a sex scandal in the United States, was nominated by members of the right-wing Party of Progress, one of the largest blocs in Norway's Parliament.=20 "Throughout his presidency he has been a guarantor and friend of peace,'' the lawmakers said in a statement.=20 They praised Clinton for helping end the war in former Yugoslavia and for standing up to "despots who want to repress human rights and democracy's rules of play.''=20 One of the legislators, Vidar Kleppe, said by telephone that they made the decision to nominate Clinton in December, before his current problems.=20 The nomination deadline for this year's peace prize is Jan. 31, although the Oslo-based awards committee usually accepts nominations postmarked by then. The committee refuses to release the names of nominees, usually 120-130 each year, or comment on candidates.=20 Members of national legislatures are among those with nomination rights and often announce the name of their candidate.=20 The winner is announced in Oslo, usually in mid-October, and the award is presented Dec. 10, the anniversary of the death of Alfred Nobel, the Swede who invented dynamite and endowed the prizes that bear his name. Last year's Nobel Peace Prize was shared by American Jody Williams and the International Campaign to Ban Landmines. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: RE: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize (fwd) I beielve you mispelled a word -- it is "piece" isn't it? :-) At 11:38 AM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:15 -0400 (EDT) >From: Patricia Neill >Reply-To: act@efn.org >To: jadinardo@lucent.COM >Subject: RE: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize (fwd) > >I mean, is life getting too weird and funny for words, or what?= ROTFLMAOPIMP >(A new whatchamacallit coined by Barefoot ... last part is Peeing in My >Pants ....=20 >Patty > > >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:33:01 -0600 >From: Ann Khan >To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com, cas@majordomo.pobox.com >Subject: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize > >President Clinton > nominated for Nobel > Peace Prize > 11.03 a.m. ET (1602 GMT) January 27, 1998 > > OSLO, Norway (AP) =97 President Clinton > has been nominated for the 1998 > Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to > protect world peace and promote > democracy, three Norwegian > legislators announced today.=20 > > Clinton, embroiled in a sex scandal in > the United States, was nominated by > members of the right-wing Party of > Progress, one of the largest blocs in > Norway's Parliament.=20 > > "Throughout his presidency he has > been a guarantor and friend of peace,'' > the lawmakers said in a statement.=20 > > They praised Clinton for helping end > the war in former Yugoslavia and for > standing up to "despots who want to > repress human rights and democracy's > rules of play.''=20 > > One of the legislators, Vidar Kleppe, > said by telephone that they made the > decision to nominate Clinton in > December, before his current > problems.=20 > > The nomination deadline for this year's > peace prize is Jan. 31, although the > Oslo-based awards committee usually > accepts nominations postmarked by > then. The committee refuses to release > the names of nominees, usually > 120-130 each year, or comment on > candidates.=20 > > Members of national legislatures are > among those with nomination rights > and often announce the name of their > candidate.=20 > > The winner is announced in Oslo, > usually in mid-October, and the award > is presented Dec. 10, the anniversary > of the death of Alfred Nobel, the > Swede who invented dynamite and > endowed the prizes that bear his name. > > Last year's Nobel Peace Prize was > shared by American Jody Williams > and the International Campaign to Ban > Landmines. > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If >you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to >majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas > > > > >- > > S. "Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." - -- Peter W. Huber - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:11:13 -0600 From: jim bohan Subject: Re: CAS: President Clinton nominated for Nobel Peace Prize (fwd) is this a joke? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:15:18 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: (fwd) RESIGN! James K. Glassman (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- WHAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SAY TONIGHT By James K. Glassman Washington Post Tuesday, January 27, 1998; Page A17 What should President Clinton say tonight in his State of the Union address? Something like this . . . My Fellow Americans: The state of the Union is strong, but the state of the presidency is not. The nation is enjoying a time of peace and prosperity unprecedented in this century. But, at the same time, the office of the president has been weakened. I accept full responsibility for this condition. It is a too-common practice for politicians to blame others for their own mistakes, or to hide them in the language of deception. I admit that I have done this in the past, but I will do it no longer. Accordingly, when I leave the Capitol tonight, I will return to the White House, where I will sign a letter to the secretary of state resigning as president of the United States, effective at noon tomorrow. I have complete confidence in the man who will succeed me, Albert Gore Jr., and I know that he will continue to lead this nation and the world on the path that we have charted together. In recent months, there has been much discussion of my legacy, my place in history. My resignation will be my legacy. I believe this act will begin a new day of candor, ethical conduct and personal responsibility in this nation. Not just among politicians -- who, the good Lord knows, need it -- but among all Americans. Most of all, this is my legacy to America's children, who should not have to watch adults in high office dissemble and distort -- or act in ways that abuse the trust of the voters or the young people with whom they work. I will not dwell on the claims that have been made against me. I will only say that there is enough truth to them to sully this office, and since the office is greater than any of its occupants, I must leave in order to preserve its honor -- and, just as important, its strength. In Federalist No. 70, Alexander Hamilton wrote, "A feeble executive implies a feeble execution of government. A feeble execution is but another phrase for a bad execution: And a government ill executed, whatever it may be in theory, must be in practice a bad government." That is one of my fears -- a weakened presidency with new economic and military threats on the horizon. My other fear is that to stay in office will be to trivialize the importance of moral behavior in this society. In 1791, the British philosopher and parliamentarian Edmund Burke wrote a letter to a Frenchman about the relationship between personal morality and public service. Let me quote part of it to you: "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites. . . . Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere." I agree with that. And, in this case, the controlling power will come from myself. I said at the beginning that the state of the Union is strong. That is true and fortunate. It is, at least at this time, strong enough to endure a transfer of power to Al Gore, the man seated behind me, who has had exceptional preparation for the job he will assume. Our economy is growing at 3.9 percent a year, the highest rate among major industrial countries; unemployment is only 4.7 percent, inflation 1.7 percent. Our federal budget is balanced. In fact, we may run a surplus this year for the first time since 1969. Still, it has been my concern that Americans do not trust their government. Polling research shows that trust has risen over the past two years but that it is still less than half the level of the 1960s. I recognize that the controversies surrounding my personal behavior have damaged that trust. My decision tonight should go a long way toward restoring it. All of us -- in politics, business, education and within our families -- must accept personal responsibility for what we do. That was the principle behind our welfare reform plan and the actions we have taken that have sharply reduced the rate of crime in this country. I cannot urge personal responsibility on the rest of the nation without adhering to it myself. And so I take this step, freely and willingly. I could have chosen to fight the charges, but that would damage the nation and the office. Instead, with good cheer and serious purpose, I will leave for other endeavors. As America's greatest poet, Walt Whitman, wrote: I anchor my ship for a little while only. . . . I depart as air, I shake my white locks at the runaway sun. Thank you, and God bless the United States of America. - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:05:57 -0500 From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: Phila. Daily News Poll The Daily Snooze is running a poll on Bill Clinton. The question is: "Do you believe him?" This is in regards to his sex denial. Here are the numbers: Yes: (215) 854-2604 No: (215) 854-2605 It's just voicemail that's counting the number of calls. I've called a couple of times already. It's fun! :-) Rachel ************************************************************** * "Just when you think you've got me figured out * * The season's already changing..." -- Meredith Brooks * * mestetsr@post.drexel.edu * ************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:57 -0500 From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: FW: [Fwd: CDF Update 1-16-98] This was posted to the "Pennsylvania Alliance for Democracy" list. Ironically, the man that posted it has a sig file with a Paine quote. I left the quote in for you all to read. Go figure. Rachel >"Those who expect to reap the blessings >of freedom must undergo the fatigue of >supporting it." - Thomas Paine > >-----Original Message----- >>Central Directory of Resources >>UNC@CH/CB # 7340 >>Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7340 >> >>(919) 966-0332 >>(800) 852-0042 >> >>Home: teton@mindspring.com >> >>visit our web page! >> >>http://www.med.unc.edu/commedu/familysu >> >>Children's Defense Fund >>January 16, 1998 >> >>In this issue: >> >>-- Juvenile Justice >>-- Children's Health >>-- Annual Conference >> >> >>*** Juvenile Justice *** >> >> -- HELP STOP SENATE BILL 10 -- >> >>Senate Bill 10 (S.10) is a tremendous threat to the safety of >>children, especially minority children. Driven by fear rather than >>facts, S. 10 would represent a major step backward in both criminal >>justice and opportunity for youth. The Children's Defense Fund and >>the Black Community Crusade For Children (BCCC) encourage children's >>advocates, community leaders, parents, and concerned citizens >>nationwide to act on behalf of children by opposing S. 10 as it is >>currently written. >> >>? S. 10 would allow children to be put in jails and prisons with >>adults. >>? S. 10 would fail to insure that any of the $500 million in new money >>it allocates for juvenile crime related purposes will be spent on >>prevention. >>? S. 10 would make no efforts to prevent gun violence, the root of all >>of the increase in youth violence. This bill chooses to lock up >>children, not guns. >>? S. 10 would broadly and indiscriminately open up juvenile records, >>significantly affecting the future of hundreds of thousands of our >>nation's children by limiting their future educational and employment >>opportunities. >> >>* This week is your last chance to visit your Senators while they are >>still in their home districts. On January 27th, they will come back >>to Washington and may bring S. 10 to the floor at any time. >> >>--- MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. DAY --- >> >>For those of you organizing or participating in events on Dr. Martin >>Luther King Jr. Day, the Black Community Crusade for Children offers >>inserts on the horrors of S.10 that can be used in speeches, on >>flyers, or other MLK materials. (See below for sample speech insert). >> For additional information or assistance, call Holly Jackson at >>202/662-3664 or mail her at: . >> >> >>** Suggested Martin Luther King Day Speech Insert ** >> >>We've come here today to celebrate the birthday of one of the most >>celebrated leaders of our time, a leader who was the symbol for modern >>leadership and justice. I stand to let you know that Martin Luther >>King, Jr., were he alive, would find many causes for hope and many >>causes for alarm in this country today. I believe that one cause of >>alarm would be a bill that I would more appropriately be called the >>"Child Rape Opportunity Act". The title I have given it may startle >>you, and it should. Because in Washington, DC there is a bill in >>Congress which has passed the House of Representatives and is pending >>in the Senate -- this bill, S. 10, would allow more children to be put >>in jails and prisons with adults, with little protection from the >>adult population. Children incarcerated with adults are eight times >>more likely to commit suicide and five times more likely to be >>sexually assaulted than children in youth facilities. >> >>We are not only talking here about children who have committed violent >>crimes, we are talking about all of our children -- children who have >>run away from home, children who skip school, children who shoplift >>candy, your children, my children -- they are all in danger from this >>terrible bill. >> >>S.10 will ruin many of our children's future. Under this bill, the >>records of children who are arrested will be shared with schools, >>colleges, and the FBI. One youthful mistake will be allowed to ruin a >>child's future. We all know that far too many Black men now have >>problems finding jobs. They will be joined by many of our children if >>this bill passes. We cannot and will not let this happen. We have to >>stand up for our children now and defeat S.10. >> >>We are here today because we honor Dr. King. Let's join with the >>Black Community Crusade for Children to fight this bill, because we >>love our children. For more information on S. 10 call the BCCC at >>202/662-3664. >> >>*** Children's Health *** >> >> --- LETTER URGING OFFICIALS TO CONSIDER HEALTH NEEDS OF CHILDREN --- >> >>The National Association of Children's Hospitals and Related >>Institutions (NACHRI) has drafted a letter to Health and Human >>Services Secretary Shalala and Labor Secretary Herman urging them, in >>developing managed care standards, to take into account the unique >>health needs of children. More than 70 national, state, and local >>groups, including the Children's Defense Fund have already signed the >>letter. For more information, please contact Bruce Lesley at the >>National Association of Children's Hospitals at 703/684-1355 or by >>sending an email to: . >> >>*** Conference *** >> >>--- Field Organizing Training Track --- >> >>"Mobilizing Your Community to Work for Children" Training Track >>Speaker: Nancy Amidei >>9:00 am to 5:00 p.m., Wednesday, March 25th >> >>Family and children's advocates and concerned citizens are turning to >>neighborhood and civic groups for community solutions to protect >>children. Learn the essential elements of community organizing, >>grassroots lobbying, on-line advocacy, and linking community action to >>important state and national policy changes. >> >>Nancy Amidei will conduct a simulation of a state legislative session >>deliberating a child care proposal. The simulation takes the trainee >>>from start to finish of the legislative process. This simulation has >>become quite popular among children's advocates in Washington state. >> >>Nancy Amidei is currently a Senior Lecturer at the University of >>Washington, School of Social Work. Nancy Amidei is also a former >>Director of the Food Research and Action Center, a private non-profit >>group and she served in the Carter Administration. Among her >>writings, is a guide to policy advocacy called, "So You Want To Make A >>Difference." >> >>****************************************************************** >>-- OUR STRENGTH IS IN OUR NUMBERS -- >>SHARE THIS LEGISLATIVE UPDATE WITH YOUR FRIENDS!!! >> >>Our typical email is about a page or two long and generally comes once >>a week. To join our legislative update email list, sign-up on our >>website or send an email to: and write in >>the body of the message: subscribe cdfupdate >> >>PLEASE NOTE: WHEN SUBSCRIBING OR CANCELING YOUR SUBSCRIPTION, PLEASE >>DO NOT SURROUND YOUR ADDRESS WITH BRACKETS. >> >>Kimberly Taylor >>Children's Defense Fund >>25 E Street, NW >>Washington, DC 20001 >>202/662-3540 (fax) >>CDFupdate@childrensdefense.org >> >>"What is done to children, they will do to society." --Karl Menninger ************************************************************** * "Just when you think you've got me figured out * * The season's already changing..." -- Meredith Brooks * * mestetsr@post.drexel.edu * ************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 23:40:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton = Una-Banger Heard on Michael Reagan's Talk Show: Someone this morning was floating one of those, "Trial balloons", to see if they could get a measure of forgiveness for Clinton. What did they try? That the reason that he's the, "Una-Banger", is that Hillery is a Lesbian! While there _have_ been certain possible indications, like the crowd she hangs with etc., this just gets wilder and weirder. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:30:26 -0800 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Clinton = Una-Banger At 11:40 PM 1/27/98 PST, you wrote: >Heard on Michael Reagan's Talk Show: Someone this morning was floating one >of those, "Trial balloons", to see if they could get a measure of >forgiveness for Clinton. What did they try? That the reason that he's the, >"Una-Banger", is that Hillery is a Lesbian! While there _have_ been certain >possible indications, like the crowd she hangs with etc., this just gets >wilder and weirder. > Next you'll be saying that Bill has been telling the truth all along; it was HILLARY that Monica was visiting all those late nights! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "Politics is the business of getting power and privilege without merit. A politician is anyone who asks individuals to surrender part of their liberty - their power and privilege - to State, Masses, Mankind, or whatever. The State, those masses, that mankind will then be run by .... politicians." P.J. O'Rourke, "All the Trouble in the World" - ------------------------------------------------------------------- !yaw gnorw eht su gnikat si noitartsinimdA notnilC ehT - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:56:14 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Dallas Morning News was right. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- - ------------------------------ From: Bill Nalty Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:09:40 -0600 Subject: CAS: New York Post Ran the 'Pulled "Agent Witness" DMN Story' =20 "A source told The Post last night that the witnesses who=20 saw an intimate encounter are Secret Service agents who=20 are ready to talk if subpoenaed and required to do so."=20 http://www.nypostonline.com/news/3099.htm <---Still There!!! New York Post January 27, 1998 WAS PREZ CAUGHT WITH HIS PANTS DOWN? By DEBORAH ORIN and BRIAN BLOMQUIST=20 Witnesses caught President Clinton and intern Monica Lewinsky last spring in a compromising position at the White House, sources said last night in the latest stunning Sexgate bombshell.=20 Soon after that close encounter, Lewinsky was shifted from her White House job to a Pentagon post that carried a top-secret clearance, sources said.=20 Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr is investigating charges that Clinton had sex with Lewinsky and told her to lie about it - spurred by tapes of Lewinsky secretly recorded by her friend, Linda Tripp.=20 A source told The Post last night that the witnesses who saw an intimate encounter are Secret Service agents who are ready to talk if subpoenaed and required to do so.=20 "They can't volunteer anything because they'll get fired. But when they get the subpoena, the dam breaks," the source told The Post. "Those guys are crawling to talk because none of them are apparently big on Clinton."=20 The Washington Post today reports Starr is checking allegations that at least one Secret Service agent alerted a White House official after witnessing a close encounter - and was told not to discuss it further.=20 A former White House official last night confirmed that then-Deputy Chief-of-Staff Evelyn Lieberman was behind Lewinsky's Pentagon transfer - - - but said Lieberman wasn't told of any improper contact and acted solely based on a sense of unease about Lewinsky's behavior.=20 Lieberman and her former boss, ex-Chief-of-Staff Leon Panetta, issued a joint statement saying neither was ever alerted by a staffer or Secret Service agent claiming to have witnessed an intimate encounter between Clinton and Lewinsky.=20 Asked about the report of eyewitnesses, White House spokesman Mike McCurry replied: "I have not been able to find anyone at the White House aware of such a report, and obviously, the president's denial stands."=20 If indeed there are people who claim to be witnesses to intimate contact between Clinton and Lewinsky, it would dramatically compound the legal and political dangers facing the president.=20 A batch of new polls underscored those dangers yesterday, finding that a majority of Americans think Clinton should go if he lied or told Lewinsky to lie.=20 ABC News, which first reported on the close encounter, said it didn't know if the witnesses were Secret Service agents or White House staffers. Fox News Channel said Starr had yet to identify the witnesses.=20 The witnessed incidents allegedly took place in Clinton's private study off the Oval Office or the White House movie theater in the East Wing (the First Lady's domain), the Washington Post said.=20 Clinton could face perjury charges if he had sex with Lewinsky, because he denied it under oath in a deposition to Paula Jones' lawyers. If he asked her to lie, he risks obstruction-of-justice charges.=20 If there are self-proclaimed witnesses, it would also increase the pressure on Lewinsky to make an immunity deal with Starr quickly or risk perjury charges.=20 And Starr's apparent efforts to line up independent witnesses to intimacies between Clinton and Lewinsky suggest he could be seeking to build a case against the president regardless of what Lewinsky says.=20 Lewinsky swore in a Jan. 7 affidavit that she'd never had sex with Clinton, but she was recorded by Tripp saying she had sex with the president and that he and his pal Vernon Jordan told her to cover it up with lies.=20 Lewinsky's lawyer, William Ginsburg, has repeatedly hinted that his client is standing by her affidavit only "for now" and is ready to tell all - whatever that is - if granted immunity.=20 Secret Service agents guard the First Family and inevitably can be privy to private matters, but operate under rules of absolute discretion.=20 The Clintons have had sometimes-tense relations with the Secret Service - - - Hillary Clinton is said to have blamed agents for reports that she angrily threw a lamp at her husband soon after he took office. She denied the report.=20 Meanwhile, Newsweek magazine claims that the president's closest advisers now think he will soon be forced to admit he had sex with Lewinsky, although so far, he has told friends their only closeness was emotional.=20 The magazine also says that on the Monica tapes, Lewinsky claims that Clinton told her of strains in his marriage and hinted he'd be "alone" after he left office and would have more time for her.=20 Newsweek also quotes a Pentagon official as describing an incident in which Clinton publicly embraced Lewinsky - in addition to the Nov. 5, 1996, scene on the White House lawn in which video aired on TV networks shows he singled her out of the crowd for a hug.=20 Copyright (c) 1998, N.Y.P. Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas From: Bill Nalty Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:26:12 -0600 Subject: CAS: DMN: Witness(s) saw "an ambiguous incident" involving BC & Mo= nica http://www.dallasnews.com/clintoncrisis/crisis1-27.htm Dallas Morning News January 27, 1998 Intermediary talks with Starr's staff=20 Source says witness or witnesses fear subpoena on seeing Clinton, Lewinsky=20 By Carl P. Leubsdorf and David Jackson / The Dallas Morning News=20 WASHINGTON - An intermediary for one or more witnesses who report having seen "an ambiguous incident" involving President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky in the White House has talked with independent counsel Kenneth Starr's office about possible cooperation, two sources said Tuesday. The witness or witnesses, including one or more current or former Secret Service agents, were described by one of the sources as "frightened and worried" about being subpoenaed to describe what they had seen. Mr. Starr's office and the Secret Service refused Tuesday to comment on any aspect of the investigation. Mr. Clinton has repeatedly denied he had a sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, who reportedly told a friend in tape-recorded conversations that they had an affair and that he urged her to deny it. Mr. Clinton rejected that Monday, declaring, "I never told anybody to lie." The Dallas Morning News reported in its early edition Tuesday that Mr. Starr's staff had spoken with a Secret Service agent who was prepared to testify he had seen Mr. Clinton and Ms. Lewinsky in a "compromising situation." The story was also posted on the paper's Internet Web site. But it was withdrawn after one edition when the principal source, a longtime Washington lawyer familiar with the case, said some of the information he had provided was inaccurate. On Tuesday, however, former U.S. Attorney Joseph di Genova, who is not directly involved in the case, said the intermediary had made contact for the witness or witnesses with Mr. Starr's office. "In essence, your story is correct," Mr. di Genova said. He declined to give details. Another source familiar with the matter, who asked not to be named, said that it was unclear if the potential witness or witnesses had seen the president and the former White House intern in a compromising situation. "What's incorrect is the phrase 'compromising situation,' " said the source, who had used that term in talking with a News reporter on Monday. After the story by The News was published on its Web site and distributed by wire services Monday night, the source said he had been mistaken in describing the nature of the contacts between the witness and Mr. Starr's staff. He said he had been incorrect in saying earlier Monday that the counsel's staff had talked directly with the witness and expected cooperation in its investigation of the president's relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. On Tuesday, the source said he had felt compelled to withdraw his confirmation of the initial story because of the time pressure and because those elements of the story he had initially outlined were incorrect. "It was a unique situation Monday night when a primary source suddenly reversed field," Ralph Langer, executive vice president and editor of The News, said Tuesday. "This was after originating the information, confirming and expanding on it in several conversations, and confirming it again after its publication in early editions and on our Internet site. "At that late time, well past midnight in Washington, D.C., we felt the only responsible thing to do was tell our readers that a primary source was now claiming that he had provided us incorrect information. That's been cleared up today." On Tuesday, deputy White House press secretary Joe Lockhart issued the following statement: "The president has emphatically denied he had a sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. We are not going to respond to every anonymous source, rumor or leak, especially from a source who can't seem to make up his mind on what his story is from day to day." In discussing the matter Tuesday, the source said he could not provide details of the intermediary or what the witnesses would say. "I think it was the observation of an ambiguous incident involving the president and Ms. Lewinsky which needed to be fleshed out through investigation and testimony," he said. The goal of the intermediary was "to fix them up with the independent counsel's office so that they could give information that would enable him to craft a subpoena that would include them without naming them," the source said. The Washington Post, citing sources familiar with the investigation, reported on Tuesday that investigators are seeking to interview Secret Service agents to determine if they may have observed any intimate encounters between Mr. Clinton and Ms. Lewinsky. Secret Service spokeswoman Arnette Heintze had no comment Tuesday. "The Secret Service has a well-recognized and longstanding policy that precludes discussing elements relating to ongoing investigations," Mr. Heintze said. "Given the current status of the independent counsel's investigation, we will not be commenting on these issues." ABC News first reported the existence of a White House witness on Sunday but without providing details. Later Sunday, however, ABC changed its version of the story to say that "Starr's investigating claims that, in the spring of 1996, the president and Lewinsky were discovered in an intimate encounter in the White House" but that ''it was not clear who in the White House discovered the pair." The Dallas Morning News reported in Monday's editions that attorneys familiar with the situation had confirmed there was a witness to such a "compromising situation." White House officials said they knew of no incident involving Mr. Clinton and Ms. Lewinsky. William Ginsburg, Ms. Lewinsky's lawyer, also said he knows of no witness to anything, ambiguous or otherwise, between his client and the president. "I have no information of any such incident," Mr. Ginsburg said. On Monday night, David Kendall, Mr. Clinton's attorney, called the report of a witness having seen them in a compromising situation "false and malicious."=20 =A9 1997 The Dallas Morning News =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:12:17 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: The War for Clinton and the Media has started: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rick Parker Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:00:33 -0800 Subject: CAS: The War is Joined Both the New York Times (TIM WEINER and JILL ABRAMSON) and The Washington Post (Howard Kurtz) have very similar article about the 'right wing connection" working against the Clintons. Nice touch for the White House to get this kind of immediate follow-up. I'm sure it is just a coincidence and these stores had been planned for weeks. =20 Fienman just said on Geraldo Newsweek will be doing a similar one but he indicated they would try to look at all sides including how forthcoming the Clintons have been. =20 I guess the pundits are right this will be the final battle to the death, Armageddon, with everyone required to publicly choose sides. In the end the media=92s credibility will be totally on the line. =20 Anyone think that these two outlets will publish a similar article about the Clintons media surrogates and those others similar to those mentioned in the two articles who are supporting Clinton. My bet not a chance. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------ From: Bill Nalty Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:52:42 -0600 Subject: CAS: NYT/ HRC Alliance Attacks Perceived Enemies "I am quite convinced there is a cover-up by the White House=20 on this issue," Evans-Pritchard said. "If you pulled at that string, a lot of things would unravel."=20 http://www.nytimes.com The New York Times January 28, 1998 Clinton Foes Have Ties, but They Deny They Are Acting in Concert By TIM WEINER and JILL ABRAMSON WASHINGTON -- Monica Lewinsky's alleged account of a sexual relationship with President Clinton were steered to the Whitewater special counsel by two lawyers active in conservative causes.=20 Several of the president's defenders are citing the involvement of the two lawyers as one piece of evidence in support of Hillary Rodham Clinton's claim that the Lewinsky sex scandal was propelled by a loose-knit group of anti-Clinton conservatives that included independent counsel Kenneth Starr as well as other individuals and groups.=20 The two lawyers, George T. Conway III of New York and James A. Moody of Washington, as well as Starr, say that is preposterous, that there was nothing ideological in their handling of the case.=20 While no proof has been offered to support Mrs. Clinton's allegations of a conservative conspiracy, it is clear that many of the figures in the case against the president have common ties in conservative groups and causes.=20 Conway, a behind-the-scenes figure in Paula Corbin Jones' sex harassment case against the president, referred Linda Tripp, who tape-recorded Lewinsky's allegations against the president, to Moody on Jan. 9. Three days later she went to Starr, who himself has been active in conservative legal causes and once considered writing a brief in support of the Jones lawsuit.=20 Like Starr, Moody and Conway are members of the Federalist Society, a legal organization in Washington that is composed of a few hundred conservative lawyers and judges.=20 Although White House and Democratic operatives have challenged Tripp's motives for surreptitiously recording her friend, Lewinsky, Moody said Tuesday, "Her only motive was to protect herself and her ability to tell the truth."=20 Moody and Starr have another common connection in the Landmark Legal Foundation, a nonprofit group that is involved in a number of lawsuits pressing conservative issues. Moody has been handling a Landmark suit against the IRS for alleged harassment of conservative nonprofit groups. Starr represented a client allied with Landmark plaintiffs in another suit, championing the rights of parents in Wisconsin to send their children to private schools.=20 Conway helped write the critical Supreme Court brief for Jones, which successfully argued that her case should proceed against the president while he is still in office.=20 Conway declined to offer details about how he came to be acquainted with Tripp or her situation with Lewinsky. He has known Moody for a decade, and is also a member of the Federalist Society.=20 Conway, a 34-year-old partner at the New York law firm of Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, worked on the Jones case on his own. His firm was in no way involved in the case.=20 All three men agree, as Conway put it, that there is no "right-wing conspiracy." Starr flatly called the idea "nonsense."=20 Another person whose role is raising questions by Clinton's defenders is a New York literary agent, Lucianne Goldberg, a close friend of Tripp. Goldberg says the secret tape-recordings by Tripp were her brainchild, although she denied having any political motive to bring down the president .=20 "I think I'm probably still a registered independent," Goldberg said in an interview Tuesday. "I don't have an ideological bone in my body."=20 Then she quipped, "Of course, I did listen to Rush Limbaugh on the way over to our lunch."=20 Goldberg has done best-seller business with Alfred Regnery, a friend of Starr and the publisher of "Unlimited Access" by Gary Aldrich, a former FBI agent who charged without apparent basis that Clinton regularly sneaked out of the White House to a nearby hotel for secret sexual liaisons.=20 But the first lady's charge that "a vast right-wing conspiracy" was out to topple the president went beyond the charges being examined by Starr. By implication, her remarks were aimed at right-wing radio talk-show hosts, Internet web sites, various conservative foundations in Washington and political lobbying groups.=20 She specificallly accused people "like Jerry Falwell, with videos, accusing my husband of murder, of drug running."=20 Falwell, the evangelist, has sold more than 60,000 copies of a video called "The Clinton Chronicles" on his televised "Old Time Gospel Hour." That video also accused Clinton of treason, among other things.=20 Such sweeping charges have also been published under Regnery's imprint. He has just brought out "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," by a British journalist, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, which accuses the president or his aides of having been involved, directly or indirectly, in mysterious deaths and conspiracies.=20 "There's been a lot of talk about 50 dead bodies or 36 dead bodies," Evans-Pritchard said in an interview Tuesday. He focused hardest on Vincent Foster, the Arkansas lawyer and close friend of the Clintons who committed suicide in 1993 while serving as a deputy White House counsel.=20 Foster's death was ruled a suicide by three government investigations, two congressional panels and one independent counsel, -- Starr. But "I am quite convinced there is a cover-up by the White House on this issue," Evans-Pritchard said. "If you pulled at that string, a lot of things would unravel."=20 Evans-Pritchard knows Lucianne Goldberg. "She was very nearly my agent," he said.=20 So does Aldrich, the former FBI agent. "I sent her an outline, a general outline, for a sequel, a second book," he said in an interview Tuesday.=20 And so does Regnery. "I know Lucianne Goldberg well," Regnery said. "I introduced Lucianne Goldberg to Mark Fuhrman," the Los Angeles police detective and convicted perjurer who investigated and wrote about the O.J. Simpson murder case.=20 Regnery, in turn, is a longtime friend of the independent counsel, Starr.=20 "I knew Ken Starr when I worked at the Justice Department," Regnery said in an interview. "I've known him since 1981, when I was a deputy assistant attorney general and he was a special assistant to the attorney general, William French Smith. We're friends. I see him three, four, five times a years."=20 Behind many of the legal, political and journalistic attacks on Clinton's morals is the money of Richard Mellon Scaife, a fourth-generation heir to the Mellon banking fortune. Scaife given many millions to the conservative legal and political foundations that have challenged the Clinton White House for the past five years.=20 In a 1995 interview with The New York Times, Scaife said the death of Foster was "the Rosetta Stone to the whole Clinton administration," and agreed with the idea that, in the words of his chief aide, Richard M. Larry, the president of several Scaife foundations, the public record of the Clinton administration was one of "immense corruptness."=20 Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas From: Ken Chafin Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:59:30 -0800 Subject: CAS: Inside the beltway-Morris talks Inside the Beltway Political tidbits and other shenanigans from around the nation's capital - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By John McCaslin THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Morris' musings Dick Morris' return to what he calls President Clinton's "crisis Cabinet" might be short-lived, after indelicate musings about the sex lives of the president and first lady yesterday. During an interview with Peter Tilden and Ken Minyard on radio station KABC in Los Angeles, Mr. Morris, who was forced to leave Mr. Clinton's inner circle after his own sex scandal in 1996, said: "There are a thousand things, not including oral sex, which could have gone on, which fall well short of adultery. ... We're talking about fantasies over the phone. ... We're talking about a kind of Walter Mitty life, a sort of vicarious enjoyment. We're talking about a sort of -- really an emotional connection that isn't a physical one that basically is a sexual relationship that you never act on." Q: "How do you get semen on a dress via the telephone?" Morris: "You don't. ... By the way, it ruins the dress. ... She couldn't go out that night, really. ..." Q: "Do you think [phone sex] is what it's going to be reduced to?" Morris: "It could be something well like that. None of what I'm about to say is necessarily a fact. I don't know it. "But let's assume, OK, that his sexual relationship with Hillary is not all that it's supposed to be. Let's assume that some of the allegations that Hillary sometimes not necessarily being into regular sex with men might be true. "Let's assume that this is a guy who has been sexually active for a long time and then got in as president and he'd have to shut himself down. You would then expect a variety of things which would be quasi-sexual in nature but which would fall short of it. "Phone sex would be one of them, fantasies might be one of them, a close emotional relationship with a young person might be one of them. Those all could be real things without actually committing adultery. =2E.." Mr. Morris later denied he was "speculating" about the Clintons' sex lives. He was, he said, responding to "a hypothetical that was given to me. I batted it down." White House officials were amused and appalled at the Morris comments. "Every time I think this guy can't get any sleazier ...," said one official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. From: Ken Chafin Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:11:28 -0800 Subject: CAS: Some Dems dont think conspiracy talk will work Conspiracy talk is nothing new for Clintons - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Ralph Z. Hallow THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Blaming her husband's latest woes on a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is nothing new for Hillary Rodham Clinton. It is a tactic the Clinton camp has used repeatedly in times of crisis. Now, however, even some Democrats express doubts that trying to blame the president's problems on political "enemies" will work. "There is a grain of truth in what she said in that Clinton's political enemies want to get him, but that comes with every presidency," said Brian Lunde, a Democratic campaign consultant and former executive director of the Democratic National Committee. "It doesn't have to do with party. People tried to get Ronald Reagan and George Bush on the Iran-Contra affair." Mr. Lunde said the "strategy of claiming a conspiracy really does work when your political enemies are leading the charge, but not when your own staffers and political friends are leading the charge. Monica Lewinsky is a political friend that has turned on them." A Democratic operative with long-standing ties to the Clintons noted a parallel that the first lady might not appreciate. "When she was on the staff of the [House] Judiciary Committee during the Nixon [Watergate] scandal she was part of the left-wing conspiracy," he said, calling Mrs. Clinton's accusation "ludicrous." David A. Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, said that claiming conspiracy and persecution is an old tactic employed by the Clintons and their friends. "One thing consistent about Bill Clinton and the first lady is that in their minds, neither one of them has ever been responsible for anything," said Mr. Keene. "Everything bad that has happened to them and the country, politically and personally, has always been somebody else's fault." In instance after instance, Mr. Keene and other critics noted, the president and his supporters have tended to impugn the integrity and motives of Mr. Clinton's accusers. As far back as the 1992 presidential campaign, stung by GOP criticism on moral issues, Mr. Clinton charged Republicans with creating a "family-values debate" which they "polarized for short-term political purposes." During the 1996 re-election campaign, the White House denounced a book by former FBI agent Gary Aldrich that purported marital infidelities by Mr. Clinton as president as "wholly untrue" and "one more right-wing smear." In September 1996, Mr. Clinton characterized independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's investigation as a "well-financed effort to attack me personally." During a C-SPAN appearance in December 1996, Mr. Clinton told host Brian Lamb that talk radio was "hostile, shrill ... overwhelmingly right-wing ... and therefore very hostile to me and to my administration, and to my wife, to others and to our policies." Perhaps the most memorable use of the tactic came a year ago, when the White House compiled a 331-page report that maintained conservatives were engaged in a "Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce." The report said the conspiracy ran from the Western Journalism Center, the American Spectator monthly and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review newspaper to stories reprinted on the Internet, to "right-wing" newspapers in England and back to the United States, appearing in The Washington Times and the New York Post. Mrs. Clinton's "vast right-wing conspiracy" claim would seem to include some players who are not usually identified with the conservative end of the political spectrum: * Leon Panetta, chief of staff in the Clinton White House when Monica Lewinsky was an intern there, has said that if her charges are true, Mr. Clinton should resign. * A leading reporter on the Paula Jones story was Michael Isikoff, an ex-Washington Post staffer who now works for Newsweek -- where his work helped break the current scandal. * Anita Hill, who accused Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment, has come to the defense of Miss Lewinsky. In the Feb. 3 issue of the Village Voice, she says she knows what the ex-intern is going through. "Her story -- whatever it is -- is being used by others to advance their own agenda. Unwittingly, she has become a pawn in a national morality play." Mr. Lunde said Mrs. Clinton's "conspiracy" talk is inappropriate in the current scenario, involving charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. "But a conspiracy now, in the Monica Lewinsky story? I don't think you call it that," Mr. Lunde said. "This is normal political behavior. I don't think it was a left-wing conspiracy that got Richard Nixon. This is not a right-wing conspiracy to get Clinton." Nevertheless, the Clinton forces have been remarkably consistent in their suspicions that a conspiracy is at work to get them. In an interview a year ago on C-SPAN, Mrs. Clinton said, "There is a very effective, well-organized advocacy press that is, I think, very up-front in its right-wing, conservative inclinations and makes no apologies [about it]." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #55 ************************