From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #61 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:27:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Denny's Bans Guns (fwd) I don't have the address of their Corporate Hindquarters handy, but those wishing to write should remind them that Official Policies of this sort mean that they take on all Liability for any deaths or injuries occuring during robberies etc. On Feb 02, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sounds like an odd form of discrimination to me. They're saying if I carry the means to protect and preserve the lives of myself and my family then I'm not welcome in Denny's. What kind of business decision is that causes a corporation to limit it's customers to victims only? Bye Bye Denny's. I'll be eating elsewhere. (And letting them know.) - Ed ==== START OF DENNY'S ALERT ===== >From the March/April 1998 issue of American Handgunner magazine. Denny's issued a corporate policy that no concealed guns are allowed in any of its restraunts. You can call Denny's customer relations department to voice your opinion. The toll free number is; 1-800-733-6697. I just love toll free phone numbers. Please re-post and re-spond! ===== END OF DENNY'S ALERT =============== **** Anytime you see a place posting a sign that says "No Firearms Allowed". I encourage you to go into the establishment..."pretend" you were going to do business there and inquire if the sign is "true". Debate, express disgust and walk out. Everytime management "sees" money walking out of his/her place it will have IMPACT! Then follow up with letters. **** *************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:20:19 -0800 From: Liberty or Death Subject: (fwd) BBC Television: The truth about Bill Clinton >Exegesis >Monday, February 2, 1998 > >A Forum Encouraging Moral Excellence >Published Worldwide from Washington > >Good Evening, > >Earlier tonight, BBC 1 Television in the UK showed a well-researched >45-minute documentary on some of President Clinton's history in their >flagship Panorama program, a thinking-man's version of 60 Minutes. > >It features interviews with Gennifer Flowers among others, and an audio >tape where Mr. Clinton can be heard telling her to deny everything. The >program is also being shown overnight tonight by BBC World, which >broadcasts worldwide except in the United States,. > >I don't simply suggest you watch it, as I have done, I absolutely urge you >to see this, if only to keep your sanity intact. To watch it, download a >Real Player if you don't have one, and go to > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/50000/video/_52893_panorama_vi.ram > >More news from us shortly. > >Steve Myers/Editor > >_________________________________________________ > >This is the main transmission list >_________________________________________________ > >=A9 Exegesis 1998 >Post Office Box 789, McLean, Virginia 22101, USA >Phone (703) 734 5656 * Fax (703) 734 0606 >Subscriptions US Fax/Mail $32.95, World $44.95 * E-Mail $19.95 >E-Mail exegesis@sm.org >Please Visit our Web Page at http://www.sm.org > >http://www.sm.org > >Exegesis >http://www.sm.org/exegesis > >The Global Opportunity Foundation >http://www.sm.org/gof >___________________________________________________ > >PARTNERS IN >PROSPERITY > >We're looking for a few good men and women who really want to build their >own home-based business. > >If you'd like a second income and prefer to work from home and have extra >cash, Partners in Prosperity offers a superb way to do just that. > >We're now fully operational in Dallas, Virginia, Maryland, Washington DC >and the United Kingdom, and we hope to expand to other areas soon. > >For more information, please visit http://www.sm.org/pp or e-mail us at >pp@sm.org > > > > - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Idaho Observer http://www.proliberty.com/observer - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:38:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 2/2 (fwd) On Feb 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] More from Mike. - -----Original Message----- From: EducIntel@aol.com To: EducIntel@aol.com Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 11:16 AM Subject: EIA Communique - 2/2 >The Education Intelligence Agency >COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 February 2, 1998 > >+ Here are a series of informative tidbits from a recent NEA Board of >Directors meeting: > * NEA has created a "task force" to "coordinate the multiple levels of = our >response" to "right wing attacks." For those readers who may be new to t= eacher >union-watching, NEA and its affiliates have various permanent department= s, >groups, task forces and cadres dedicated to investigating, infiltrating = and >reporting on "extremists," by which they mean opponents. If all the affi= liates >are taken into account, the budget for these activities runs into tens o= f >millions of dollars. Here is a portion of a report from this particular = board >meeting: > "Many of these various attacks are being orchestrated nationally, by th= e >American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the Evergreen Freedom >Foundation, and the National Right to Work Foundation. There are also co= mmon >funding sources: The Golden Rule Foundation, the Bradley Foundation and = the >Institute for the Study of Popular Culture." > * The board defeated a motion to poll all members regarding the propose= d >merger and affiliation with AFL-CIO. > * The board approved the expenditure of $500,000 from NEA's contingency= fund >to assist the California Teachers Association in fighting the payroll >protection initiative. Since CTA is flush with money (class size reducti= on led >to a membership boom in California), a grant of this size so early in th= e >campaign can only mean the unions will spend a record amount, if necessa= ry, to >defeat the measure. > * NEA is very concerned about growing African American support for scho= ol >choice programs. Both NEA President Bob Chase and Vice President Reg Wea= ver >have been crossing the country, meeting with African American politician= s and >community groups. One director reported the gist of Weaver's report as "= We >must find ways to improve schools in urban areas or the disconnect with = the >black community will widen." > * NEA dues will rise by at least $3 next year. This planned increase wi= ll >place the national portion of dues at $112. NEA projects the average tea= cher >salary to exceed $40,000 this year. > >+ Organized opposition to the NEA/AFT merger has yet to arise, though t= his >may come from union staff rather than members. The biggest worry appears= to be >how the merger will affect staff contracts and seniority. Noises about A= FT's >"equal partner" treatment have also been heard, because NEA outnumbers A= FT by >almost 3 to 1. > There is mostly silence about what state affiliates will do. The Minnes= ota >affiliates of NEA and AFT have already merged. The Montana Education >Association and the Montana Federation of Teachers just completed a draf= t >constitution for a merged union and will vote on its governing structure= in >the next three months. On the other side, the West Virginia NEA and AFT >affiliates are expressing doubt that they will ever merge. > >+ Joseph Doherty, the Pennsylvania teacher charged with the indecent as= sault >of a 12-year-old boy, resigned last week. The Avonworth Education Associ= ation, >an NEA local affiliate, filed a grievance on Doherty's behalf because th= e >school installed a hidden camera in his room and captured the assault on >videotape. "The reason for my resignation is not that I am guilty," said >Doherty's resignation letter, according to published reports. "I am sati= sfied >that I did nothing illegal, immoral or wrong. I certainly contend that I= never >touched that student's buttocks or genitalia during the course of the >wrestling." > The Pennsylvania Education Association had contended that Doherty was >innocent and was being targeted because of his union activities. Upon wo= rd of >Doherty's resignation, PSEA withdrew its grievance. "A union only repres= ents >employees," explained PSEA representative Arleen Richardson. > >+ A survey conducted by UCLA and the American Council on Education conc= luded >that the academic self-confidence of college freshmen outweighs their >performance. A majority of freshmen reported their high school grades as= B- or >higher and rated themselves above average in academics. However, a major= ity >also reported needing remedial course work in math, English, science and >foreign languages. > >+ Need to get rid of a bloated district and state education bureaucracy= ? The >Hawaii State Teachers Association found the answer. Simply guarantee tea= chers >a pay raise large enough that you can't afford all those bureaucrats. A >faltering economy and a generous teachers' contract last year has caused= Gov. >Ben Cayetano to call for cuts of $20 million to $40 million in his educa= tion >budget. State officials are already floating ideas like fee increases fo= r >school lunches and bus transportation, and parent volunteers to perform >custodial duties in schools. Now HSTA wants to ensure that classroom bud= gets >are untouched. Joan Husted, HSTA deputy executive director, asked state >officials to reduce administration bureaucracies to make up the shortfal= l. >Hmmm, don't some of those bureaucrats belong to unions, too? > >+ In more news from the Aloha State, Principal Norma Barroga of Lanai H= igh >and Elementary School is suing Husted, HSTA President June Motokawa and = four >teachers for defamation. The HSTA charged that Barroga "had failed to h= onor >grievance settlements, shared confidential information about teachers wi= th >other employees, solicited negative comments about teachers, made terror= istic >threats against an employee and interfered with a teacher's right to fil= e for >workers' compensation." Thirty-five of the 40 teachers at Lanai School s= igned >a resolution supporting Barroga and claimed that the HSTA allegations we= re >false. > >+ Massachusetts taxpayers will subsidize teachers' home Internet use fo= r at >least the next three years =97 to the tune of $3.7 million. Through Sept= ember, >teachers will have free Internet access, after which they will pay $25 p= er >year. "I envisioned teachers using the Internet to access the Red Sox we= b >page," said State Education Commissioner Robert V. Antonucci (no relatio= n). >"But teachers consistently told me that the Internet adds another teachi= ng >tool in an educator's bag of tricks." > Question: Isn't this particular "bag of tricks" utilizing public money = for >the private benefit of a few? Shouldn't this taxpayer subsidy wait until= all >teachers can afford home computers? Couldn't some teachers use the Inter= net to >access Bible study web-sites, thus violating the separation of church an= d >state? Just wondering. > >+ The following item appeared in the February NEA Today: "McGraw-Hill, = the >textbook publishing giant, saw profits jump 30 percent earlier this year= , then >forced over 100 employees to become Kelly Girl temps. The employees were= fired >a month later =97 and denied severance because of their temp status." > Apparently those Houghton Mifflin "international hors d'oeuvres" were s= o >good, it's leading to bad publicity for competitors. Will McGraw-Hill es= calate >the appetizer wars? Stay tuned... > ># # # > >The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, an= alysis >and investigation. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: >916-392-1482. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 01:45:28 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fratrum: Denny's Bans Guns (fwd) On Feb 3, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Some late-night research on Denny's: Parent Company: was Flagstar Companies Now: Advantica Restaurant Group, Inc, newly reorg'd and emerging from Chap 11 >From biz.yahoo: "Advantica is one of the nation's largest restaurant companies, with nearly 3,300 moderately-priced restaurants and annual revenues of approximately $2.6 billion. Advantica owns and operates the Carrows, Coco's, Denny's, El Pollo Loco and Quincy's Family Steakhouse restaurant brands and is the largest franchisee of Hardee's. " Advantica Board of Directors: James B. Adamson, chairman Robert H. Allen Ronald E. Blaylock (director, Georgetown Univ) Vera King Farris, Ph.D (president, Richard Stockton College, NJ) Irwin N. Gold Robert E. Marks Charles F. Moran (former Sears Exec) Elizabeth A. Sanders (also director of Wal-Mart) Donald R. Shepherd (also director of Rancho Coastal Humane Soc, and __Scripps Research Institute__!) Media Contact: Karen Randall, 864/597-8440 And from Pathfinder.com: Address: 203 E. Main St. City/State/Zip: Spartanburg, SC 29319 Phone: 864-597-8000 Fax: 864-597-8780 CEO: James B. Adamson CFO: C. Robert Campbell HR: Stephen W. Wood My thoughts: with the makeup of the BoD, it's not too surprising, if it's true. I tend to agree with Bill's thoughts: go in, see the sign, tell the manager why you're not spending money in their restaurant, and get their franchise and corporate addresses, then ge the letters out. >> Actually that part of the post was Ed's, but thanks for the skinny on these clowns. << Speaking of such signs, has anyone lese seen such signs in SuperAmerica or other Ashland Oil Co stores? The one across from my office (in Ohio, with no CCW) has a sign that says "No Firearms or Other Dangerous Weapons Allowed." Tryring to see if they have a corp. policy, or what...... For Freedom, Bob Mueller Second Amendment Research Network: http://www.infinet.com/~bmueller/Index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:14:21 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: What are the polls really saying ? (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:48:30 -0600 From: Brenda Jinkins To: CAS Subject: CAS: What are the polls really saying ? WHAT ARE THE POLLS REALLY SAYING By: Mary Mostert February 2, 1997 Over and over on the weekend, network reporters said that "President Bill Clinton's approval ratings hit a new high this weekend -- Clinton had a 69 percent approval rating. That's the highest of Clinton's presidency and better than Ronald Reagan's highest approval rating." I heard no negative report from the network about the poll. Did the poll really indicate that the American people gave Clinton a higher approval rating than Ronald Reagan did? It's interesting to go and read the entire Gallup poll on their website at http://www.gallup.com/poll/news/prescrisis/pubop.ht ml. Actually, the wording of the "approval" did not even mention Clinton. The question was: Are You Satisfied With the Way Things Are Going Today? While I am not satisfied with the way Bill Clinton is acting today, from a personal perspective, I'm quite satisfied with the way things are going for me. What would be the right answer to the question: Are you Satisfied with the Way things are Going Today? A week ago 63% of the respondents answered "Yes" and 35% answered "No." When the people are asked clear, specific questions about the issue of the week: What are you thinking about the stories you are hearing? Is all this a smear campaign against the president, a right-wing conspiracy, as Hillary Clinton said? Tom Sullivan, a radio talk show host on KFBK Radio in Sacramento, California asked that question specifically. Sullivan is not a "right winger" or a "left winger." He is primarily a financial commentator and his show appeals to just ordinary folk, most of who are not obsessed with politics. Bearing in mind that only 1013 people were polled in the Gallup poll nationwide and this poll primarily covered about 650 people in the Sacramento area, the specific questions and their answers give an interesting insight into thinking of people in a largely Democratic community: Is This A Smear Campaign Against The President? 1. 14.67% Yes, it is a politically motivated smear 2. 1.01% Yes, it is a smear by a woman with delusions 3. 1.01% Yes, it is Independent Counsel Ken Starr just trying to "get" the President 4. 7.59% No, it is just one of many accusations that has finally crossed the line 5. 60.88% No, it is finally the truth coming out 6. 14.33% No, it is a proper investigation based on solid reasons and evidence 7. 0.51% None of the above are my opinion Almost 61% of the people believe the truth is beginning to come out. Fewer than 8% think Ken Starr is just out to get the President. (See http://www.tomsullivan.com) While much was made on the networks of the so called CNN "Clinton approval" figures, the actual poll shows that people don't think they have the whole story yet. They also seem to be holding their judgment until they do get more concrete information. Some of the Questions: Is Clinton Hiding Something? 1. 62% Yes 2. 33% No Do You Believe That Clinton: Now Jan. 22 1. Had affairs with other women? 62% 54% 2. Had affair with Monica Lewinsky? 55% 52% 3. Lied under oath? 52% 46% Is Clinton Honest And Trustworthy? 1. 44% Yes 2. 53% No A growing number believe Clinton has lied under oath about his relationship with Lewinsky, and nearly two-thirds think he has had extramarital affairs since becoming president. Asked if they consider Clinton to be honest and trustworthy, 53 percent said no. While the CNN poll indicated that nearly 66% thinks he has had extramarital affairs, the statement, repeated over and over during the weekend that the people don't care about it, is not borne out by the actual poll. Three and a half years ago, five months before the Republicans won control of Congress, Gallup asked: Overall, what kind of a moral example do you think Bill Clinton sets as President? Fifty-seven percent of the people responded in June 1994 that he was a good to very good moral example. When the exact same question was asked on January 28th, 1998, only forty-three percent of the people said he was a good moral example. Fifty-one percent replied that he was a poor to very poor moral example. Other questions indicate that the people are reserving judgment until more facts are gathered and are NOT jumping on the spin and blame bandwagon. Some of the changes in public opinion are remarkable, however. To the question: Do you think the charges that Clinton had extra-marital affairs while Governor of Arkansas are true or not true, or are you unsure? During the first week of January 1998 only 19% of the people thought that statement was true. By January 24-25 an amazing 50% thought it was true. If the allegations turn out to be true, will most Americans just shrug it off? Not according to the Gallup Poll. The question was: If it turned out to be true that Bill Clinton had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, how serious would you consider this matter -- very serious, somewhat serious, not too serious or not serious at all A week ago 60% of those polled believed it would be "Somewhat serious to serious" Only 39% said it would not too serious or not serious at all. When Gallup added to the question: If it turned out to be true that Bill Clinton lied under oath about having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, how serious would you consider this matter -- very serious, somewhat serious, not too serious or not serious at all? The percentage of people who would take that seriously jumped 21%. Eighty-one percent would consider that somewhat to very serious. This is completely opposite of what William Ginsburg, Monica Lewinsky's attorney was preaching on the Sunday talk shows. He said the polls showed the "people didn't care about" Monica Lewinsky's sex life. If it is proved that he had an affair and lied under oath about it, 81% would consider that somewhat to very serious. If it turned out to be true that Bill Clinton participated in an effort to obstruct justice by getting Monica Lewinsky to lie under oath about their sexual relations, 83% would consider that somewhat to very serious and only 13% would say it was not too serious or not serious at all. Taking it one step farther, Gallup asked about "the 'I' word" as Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga) put it. The question asked was: If you were convinced that Bill Clinton lied under oath about his involvement with Monica Lewinsky, would you favor or oppose an effort to impeach Clinton and remove him from office? The poll found that 47% would favor impeachment and 47% would oppose impeachment, with 6% with no opinion. At this point, the American people really don't know what Kenneth Starr has. Considering that fact that after seeing something, Janet Reno immediately sent Starr's request to investigate the Lewinsky scandal up to the 3 judge panel and that panel quickly voted unanimously to allow him to investigate. In spite of accusations flying fast and furiously out of the White House, apparently it is not known yet known just what Kenneth Starr has. The orchestrated and almost frantic efforts of the White House damage control team to trash Kenneth Starr, Linda Tripp or anyone else who might have some information they don't want distributed, is taking place in full view of the world's media. Linda Tripp said when this started and her tapes were given to the independent counsel, that she had made the tapes in order to protect herself from the kind of trashing Paula Jones experienced at the hands of Clinton's legal and damage control team. The behavior this week of that damage control team and charges by Hillary that all the problems stem from a "right wing conspiracy" make Linda Tripp's statement very believable. To comment: mmostert@waveshift.com ______________________________________________ subscribe @ ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: RE: God be with you my friend, Lobo, Jim Bohan (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 20:40:59 XXX From: TM@nra.org To: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: RE: God be with you my friend, Lobo, Jim Bohan (fwd) Paul, I don't know whether you got my post...know how you feel. Tanya To freedom lovers everywhere, It was with great sadness that I learned on Friday night that Jim Bohan, otherwise known to many as Loboazul, passed on. For many on the internet he was one of the architect's of the DF8 campaign in 1994. To me he was a good friend and fellow freedom fighter. He told me once that the Clinton Gun Ban was his epiphany, the experience that turned him from one of those who complained about the state of freedom in this country, to an energized super-activist. But many never knew that he was a brilliant philosopher, an extremely well educated man, and extremely gifted writer. He had written two un-published novels and was working on his third. The first two had been read by most of the mainstream publishing houses and each copy that was sent to the publisher came back dog-eared, not one publisher to date was willing to tackle the politically incorrect themes (including gun ownership) that he covered. He had close friends in the highest levels of government as well as friends in the local beer joints. He was that kind of guy. He drove a beat-up blue pickup, but owned a Mercedes. He could tell raunchy jokes with the best, yet he cared about abused women and children passionately. He would tell you what he thought in no uncertain terms, but he was a hell of a good listener. To all his friends, acquaintances and those he trashed, the world is poorer place without Loboazul. So I raise my glass in a toast to a great American, a true patriot and very good friend. Goodbye, Jim, we will always love you and will miss you terribly. :-( Tanya K. Metaksa February 2, 1998 - ------------------------------------- Name: Tanya Metaksa E-mail: TM@nra.org Date: 2/2/98 Time: 3:07:45 PM This message was sent by Chameleon - ------------------------------------- - --- On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:42:27 -0600 (CST) pwatson@utdallas.edu wrote: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:06:24 -0600 (CST) From: pwatson@utdallas.edu To: Mike McNulty , Suzanna Hupp , "Dr. Fran Haga" , Carol Moore , No Gun Bans Cc: restore our constitution , "Jim, Lobo Azul Bohan" Subject: God be with you my friend, Lobo, Jim Bohan I can't stop crying, I have lost one of my best friends. Jim Bohan was one of the first people I met both on Internet and later in person in 1993. He helped organize the DF8 internet list to get rid of Tom Foley. He helped Dr. Fran Haga get information for the House investigation into the Branch Davidians. He helped form a list NOBAN to repeal the gun ban law and we did get a house vote. He helped try and buy the Rules of Engagement Movie with a group of investors and Mike McNulty. He helped Suzanna Hupp get elected to office. He was an actor, producer, writer, and a Texan above all in the spirit of the men who died in the Alamo. He went around the country in his old beat up pickup truck supporting gun rights all over America. I had countless e-mails and phone conversations with Lobo. He grew up sneaking into black jazz bars listing to the early blues and was the only white kid in the whole area. He was a true character in the spirit of John Wayne and helped anyone who asked. His humor, wit, wisdom and friendship will be always treasured. People like Jim were one in a million. He was a true American patriot a man who loved America and everything we are about. He believed in freedom and liberty. And now he has gone and died. Truly amazing that he died at his Internet keyboard of a massive heart attack. He went out just like the way he lived. Jim always seemed to have the last word. Jim, I know you will help us and guide us on our journey back to freedoms road. I am glad I had the pleasure of knowing you, I miss you old friend. Regards, Paul Watson Dallas, Texas - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- - ------------------------------------- Name: Tanya Metaksa E-mail: TM@nra.org Date: 2/2/98 Time: 8:40:59 PM This message was sent by Chameleon - ------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:17:13 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: Barr: We are talking about the office of the President (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:50:45 -0600 From: Brenda Jinkins To: CAS Subject: CAS: Barr: We are talking about the office of the President WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES The Reagan Information Interchange February 2, 1998 Rep. Bob Barr, (GA-7) a former federal prosecutor, called for immediate adoption of his Impeachment Inquiry bill at the Annual Conservative Political Conference on Saturday. Warning the nation "every now and then, Democracies, like people, get tired. And when do they let their guard down. It happens most often after wars. "When vigilance seems no longer necessary, and the country wants nothing more than to relax and forget conflict. After the Civil War it was the Gilded Age. After World War I, the Roaring Twenties. At the close of the Vietnam War, Watergate. After the Cold War, this period of moral drift that we find ourselves in today and for which there is not yet a name. But, we all know there are numerous names that are being bandied about for this latest presidential indiscretion. We hear them on TV, radio and in the hallways. "It's really tragic, though, when you take a moment to reflect that what we are talking about is the office of the presidency of the United States of America. That office has been occupied by such giants of History as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan! In such times it is the function of our great and durable institutions to transcend human failures and weaknesses, to reassert the rule of law by which we must live or count ourselves as nothing. "Without the rule of law, no what our successes, and despite all our wealth, we have forfeited everything, betrayed our history, mocked those who fell in so many battles and given up our birthright. "I came to the conclusion long ago that this President has brought disgrace upon the Office of the Presidency and that something had to be done. "For months I urged the leaders of my Party to take action, to finally say, 'Enough is enough!' But my cries fell on deaf ears. The last straw for me was when it became obvious that this Attorney General had no intention whatsoever of holding this rogue administration accountable. Something had to be done. "So, on November 5, last year, I introduced, with 18 other courageous men and women in the Congress, House Resolution 304, An Inquiry of Impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton. (Applause) "Yes, that's right. The 'I' word. The word that some political drifters hate and fear as much as a snowstorm in Atlanta. According to one GOP pollster, Republicans are no longer supposed to be silent as was first advised by that same pollster. It is now permissible for Republicans to now discreetly talk about this latest question. They can ask questions, but don't use the "I" word or the 'R' word- that's resignation. "Well, friends, the alphabet I use have 26 letters in it. And no pollster or political drifter is going to remove the letter "I" or the letter "R" from the vocabulary I use in behalf of America. (Applause) "It does concern me greatly that our party is moving away from governing by principle to governing by polls. We have been elected and our leaders have been elected to lead, not to follow. And remember it was strong conservative principles that brought us the presidency in 1980 and the congressional majority in 1994. Some of those strong conservative principles that we espoused were character, responsibility and accountability. "Well, my friends, I am here to deliver a message to the President. Character counts! Responsibility is required and Accountability will be demanded! (Applause) We say to the President, "Mr. President, you are responsible for bringing shame to a great institution and we the People of the United States of America will hold you accountable, (Applause) As I was preparing to be with you today, I noticed a book on one of the shelves in my office in the Longworth Office Building. I hadn't noticed it for quite awhile. It's funny how things like this happen. It was titled, PROFILES IN CHARACTER -The Values That Made America. It was authored by members of the 1994 Class of the United States Congress. "I took it down and reread the introduction written by William J. Bennett. He concluded that introduction by writing, "Profiles in Character is a good book because it affirms good things. It show cases the kind of good character in the lives of men and women, both famous and obscure. It reminds us of what is MOST important, that excellence of character trumps position, income and education any day." Ultimately it is a call for character in our own lives. "Mr. President, character counts! Accountability will be demanded! (Applause) Daniel Webster once wrote about character and George Washington. He wrote, "America has furnished to the World the character of Washington and if our American institutions had done nothing else that fact alone would entitled them to the respect of all mankind." "Can anyone in America today honestly imagine substituting the word 'Clinton' in that passage? I think not. "When I introduced the Inquiry of Impeachment, I placed a call to George Wills. I wanted to see if I could garner his support. I could not. In fact, his secretary passed us a very polite message that Mr. Wills was not interested in talking about impeachment. "Listen to Mr. Wills today: 'The Presidency is beyond resuscitation. In 1967 the Constitution was amended to provide for the orderly removal of physically incapacitated presidents. However, the Constitution has always contained a provision for the removal of morally incapacitated presidents. (Applause) 'Its impeachment provisions supplies the remedy for certain kinds of political problems, such as chronic lying to the nation, about chronic behavior deeply offensive to it. The apparent Republican consensus perhaps principled is that the Independent Counsel investigation should be completed before any impeachment process should begin. This subordinates broad concerns about the nation's civil health and security to considerations of prosecutorial tidiness. 'It misses the point which is not to punish Clinton but to end the punishment of our nation.' (Applause "George Will is right! We are not prosecuting a president in a court of law. We are using a legitimate political instrument - impeachment - for addressing political misconduct of the highest order: violating the public trust. And as Thomas Jefferson says, "When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself public property - the property of the people of the United States of America." "We are well within our rights to expect decent, moral behavior from our president. That is not an extremist position. That is a mainstream American position. It always has been, and hopefully always will be. (Applause) "You know, the presidency is the pinnacle of accomplishment in America. After all, how many millions of parents have encouraged a child by telling them they can grow up to be anything they want, including being president of the United States? "How hollow that adage rings today! Mr. President, character counts, and accountability will be demanded. "For years now we have been in a family values, in a morality crisis. Our inner cities suffer from a lack of strong male role models. Drug use is once again rising among teen-agers. Too frequently athletes whose photographs are hanging in the bedrooms of our children are ending up in jail or in rehab. "What we are saying is that qualities and the character that we expect and demand from our elected leaders are but the reflection of our own communities. To turn a blind eye to the behavior of the President is to tacitly endorse his actions. We can never let that happen in America! (Applause) "If all that is important to governing is what the current interest rates are, with no regard to the currency of character, then we are in pitiful shape indeed as a nation. "Character counts and accountability will be and must be demanded. I understand that impeachment is a difficult and dark road - a road less traveled. It not to be taken lightly or quickly. But we have come to a rare point in our nation's history where it is indeed time to travel down that dimly lit road towards that glimmer of hope off in the distance. "At the end of that road lies dignity. The dignity of a proud nation that has stood the test of time and of all the challenges of the evil regimes and empires of the world have thrown at us over the years, we owe it to ourselves, to our children, to the men and women who have given THEIR lives to protect the ideals that we hold so dear; we owe it to our founding fathers to restore dignity in America. "As Thomas Jefferson so aptly put it: "Let our object be our country, our whole country and nothing but our country. President Reagan, a man of impeccable character said some very poignant words in his second inaugural address in January 1985. That seems like a 100 years ago. As he always could do, he put things in proper perspective and provides the hope that has always been the cornerstone of the American dream. President Reagan said: 'Now we hear again the echoes of our past. A general falls on his knees on the hard snow at Valley Forge. A lonely president faces the darkened halls of Congress in his struggle to preserve the Union. The men at the Alamo call out encouragement to each other. A settler moves west and sings a song and that song echoes out forever and fills the unknowing air. It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent and fair. That is our heritage. That it our song. We sing it still. For all of our problems and our differences, we are together as a whole as we raise our voices to the God who is the author of its most tender music and may He continue to hold us close as we build a world with OUR sound -found in unity, affection, and love. One people, under God, dedicated to the dream of freedom that He has placed in our human heart, called upon now to pass that dream on to a waiting and hopeful world.' "Friends, the true American sound is not one of scandal, but of character. Not of excuses, but of strength. Let us raise that American sound from your street, to Main Street, from Pennsylvania Avenue to the corridors of the Congress. Raise the American sound so loudly that it drowns out scandal and poll figures all across this land. "God bless the United States of America." ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. 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