From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #75 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, February 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 075 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:16:21 -0800 From: Liberty or Death Subject: (fwd) Y2K: Navy Subs Can't fire Missiles, Embedded Chip Probs. >***Breaking News*** > >This a hasty report from Cory Hamasaki which was first posted to the >csy2000 usenet news group late Wednesday, 2/18. Note the first section >where Y2K embedded chip problem are discussed which prevent the firing of >missiles from nuclear subs. This pretty well indicates that it is likely >land-bassed missiles and their older systems will have the same problem. >Our world is nearly over. Buy food, tools and guns. > >Allen Comstock > >-------------Begin Forwarded Material------------------ > > DRAFT >I will expand and repost this as part of the next WRP. > >Summary of DC Y2K User's group meeting - Embeddeds. > >1. Diane Shields - CACI - Submarine Fire Control Systems. > >Subsystem vendors go out of business. >Explained Black Box v. White Box testing. > >Use Qualified Personnel >Start in 1997 >Accurate documentation >Keep records >Too late for large systems > >Discovered major, catastrophic date problem 6 months ago. my >question, what was the problem?> provided details on the failure mode of the >Fire Control System. The launch system for nuclear missiles! > > >2. Pete Himmelburger - GTE - Phones > >license latch; ambiguity; horizontal tests; unit v. system tests; test >platforms unavailable at any cost; only fix absolutely critical; plan, plan, >plan; document; > >3. Rick Cowles - DEC/Compaq - Utilities > >Nukes provide 20% of US Power; 60% in NJ; no easy fixes; Industry late; >cited >failures discovered in testing. > >4. Hernando Quintero - BRI - Power generation > >Based on technical assessment of hundreds of systems in 20 generating >facilities including Gas, Oil, and Coal but not Nuclear, 400 person days >per >site; expert engineers. > >15% of systems are not Y2K compliant and have problems ranging from minor >inconveniance to loss of life. > >Problems found in systems responsible for boilers, water treatment, >programmable sequence controls, area control systems, cc20 boiler >management, >turbine management, smart sensor data freeze, etc. > >5. Tom Shope - FDA - Medical systems. > >Pacemakers OK (except perhaps one obsolete model) but pacemaker monitoring >systems and external control systems may have problems. Imaging systems >and >radiation therapy systems suspected to have problems. FDA sent out a >request >for information from medical equipment suppliers >but >they are concerned about complex computer controlled system. Responses due >in >March, monitor http://www.fda.gov/cdrh click down to Y2K info. > >----------------------- >Met several c.s.y2k'ers; reflected on the new wave of denial in c.s.y2k; >please denial-heads, don't attempt to reason this one out. Don't try to >extrapolate from what you know to Y2K failure modes. > >Last year we had a c.s.y2k squabble about nuclear missile controls; a >denial-head who said his wife had been a launch officer ran his keyboard, >called us stupid for worrying about launch controls. Well guess what, CACI >has run tests and has found date problems in nuclear missile launch >controls. >Just because his wife knew the combo to the safe and how to key the >system, doesn't mean she has any understanding about what's under the hood. > >Last year we had a c.s.y2k squabble about planes, air traffic control, and >the >FAA. Turns out that KLM is canceling flights, the FAA is hosed, and >tonight at DC Y2K> there are 170 date sensitive systems in a jetliner. > >Power? Rick managed to keep those denial heads in check but, surprise, >Hernando has run tests and checks on 20 generating facilities and they have >big problems to include the possibility of loss of life. > >Got it, denial-heads, Y2K is real; don't attempt to reason it out; don't >extrapolate from what you know. That's like going into a chemical >manufacturing plant and declaring that you know that turning knobs won't >cause >a problem... because you saw a chemistry set in a store once. > >Stay tuned to c.s.y2k. Time ran out a year ago. > >cory hamasaki 681 days now. > > > > > > - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Idaho Observer http://www.proliberty.com/observer - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:49:32 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: ET: Anthrax terror plot foiled in US (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:14:28 -0600 From: Bill Nalty To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: ET: Anthrax terror plot foiled in US http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=3D000162243111016&rtmo=3DQzaka0OR&atmo= =3D99999999&P4%5FFOLLOW%5FON=3D%2F98%2F2%2F20%2Fwanth20%2Ehtml&pg=3D/et/98/= 2/20/wanth20.html International News=20 Electronic Telegraph=20 Friday 20 February 1998 Issue 1001 Anthrax terror plot foiled in US By Hugh Davies and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Washington=20 External Links=20 Anthrax [with focus on Saddam Hussein and biological weapons] - ABC News http://www.abcnews.com/sections/living/anthraxinfection/index.html Aryan Republican Army revealed - Emergency.com http://www.emergency.com/aryanarm.htm TWO white supremacists were being held in Las Vegas last night on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack with a biological agent, believed to be anthrax. The men have been charged with possessing weapons of mass destruction. One was on probation for obtaining bubonic plague bacteria from a laboratory. Armed agents surrounded Larry Wayne Harris, 46, and William Leavitt, 47, as they sat in a Mercedes at Henderson, Nevada, 30 miles from Las Vegas. They were about to conduct a chemical test at a doctor's surgery. The FBI tried to play down speculation of a plan to attack New York, similar to the 1995 release of the nerve gas sarin that killed 12 and injured 5,500 in Tokyo's underground system. An official said: "These individuals were trying to be maybe copycats of what happened in Japan. They might have talked about different cities. We have no conclusive evidence to indicate they were talking about a specific city." Bobby Siller, the agent who led the arrest team, which included medical experts, said he had "no indication of what the target might have been". But the FBI and terrorist experts in America have been concerned about links between Iraq and far-Right anti-government groups. The Aryan Nations movement, which is ferociously anti-semitic, has what it calls a military wing, an underground terrorist cell known as the Aryan Republican Army (ARA) which models itself on the IRA. In a recruitment video obtained by The Telegraph, it makes an explicit threat to exterminate the Jewish population of the United States as part of its drive to create an "Aryan Republic". The White Aryan Resistance, which is affiliated to the Aryan Nations, received payments from Iraq for propaganda purposes during and after the Gulf war. Mr Siller said the men were picked up just as they were about to "conduct some kind of chemical test" at a doctor's clinic. He said that based on statements and "evidence we have developed", the FBI believed that anthrax was about to be examined. He said the arrests were made within 12 hours of a tip-off by an individual. "We had surveillance on them, ground and air. We followed them to this location for an hour or so with a SWAT team, prepared to deal with a biological incident." The beige Mercedes was seized and taken to Nellis air force base under heavy security precautions because of the suspicion it contained anthrax. The FBI sent its hazardous response material unit from Quantico, Virginia, to examine the substances. The Pentagon also dispatched five experts from a base in Utah. William Cohen, the US Defence Secretary, recently warned on television of the dangers of anthrax. It could devastate a city in a week if released in the air, he said. Anthrax heads the US government's list of biological warfare threats because it is considered the easiest germ weapon to make and use. An infectious disease that normally afflicts animals, especially cattle and sheep, it can be produced in a dry form ideal for storage and for grinding into tiny particles that can be inhaled. Anthrax spores are very stable and may remain viable for many years in soil and water. When inhaled, they cause severe pneumonia and death in a week. Harris was arrested two years ago with the germ that causes bubonic plague. Also in his possession at the time was a map of the New York subway. The germ, contained in three phials, was sent to him through the post by the Maryland headquarters of the American Type Culture Collection, the world's largest distributor of micro-organisms. =A9 Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1998. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Subject: Re: (fwd) Y2K: Navy Subs Can't fire Missiles, Embedded Chip Probs. Well, if those who refuse to panic are "denial-heads," can we call those who want to panic now and avoid the rush, "chicken littles?" A couple of qualifiers: 1. I'm not currently employed in a nuke plant, though I have been in the past. 2. I acknowledge that embedded systems are embedded in all sorts of places you might not expect these days. That said, I'll bet the first taker a dollar against a doughnut that 90% of U.S. nuke plants sail right through into the new millenium and don't even trip for any technical reason. (I wouldn't *ever* bet against stupid *political* reasons.) Why do I think so? Nuke plants are much less computerized than you might think. Many still use electromechanical relays to provide important logic functions. Relays have a lot going for them - for instance you never have to worry about introduction of stupid software bugs. Most of the things that computers do in nuke plants aren't date-dependent. They just do things like monitoring parameters and yelling when they are too high or too low. The computers tend to be used for process monitoring, providing additional information beyond that provided by the panel instruments. They also keep nice detailed data about things like how your fuel is being burned, but a good nuke engineer with an HP-48 calculator could probably get close enough. The one thing I can think of that might cause headaches would be the computerized "to-do" lists of regular "surveillance instructions." I expect a few of the less important ones might get missed. Not too big a deal, just embarassing. Oh, last but not least, nuke plants are better-understood than most complicated facilities. Most complicated systems have dark cob-webby corners (virtual or real) that nobody remembers anything about. These are much less common in nuke plants. A real effort is made to ensure that somebody is responsible for truely understanding each important piece of equipment, how it works and how it interrelates with the rest of the plant. Occasionally, a dark corner turns up in a nuke plant, but not often. Any takers for that $1? bd p.s. I'm not too worried about the fossil-fired generating stations either. Many of the ones around here don't even use electrical instruments for the more important functions. I mean, if they wanted to show steam pressure in the control room, they ran a little instrument line all the way to a pressure gauge in the control room. And the operators don't need all those fancy boiler fire instruments, they can just open a little door on the side of the boiler, lean out the front door of the control room, and use the flame color to fly by the seat of their pants. And so on. On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Liberty or Death wrote: > > >***Breaking News*** > > > >This a hasty report from Cory Hamasaki which was first posted to the > >csy2000 usenet news group late Wednesday, 2/18. Note the first section > >where Y2K embedded chip problem are discussed which prevent the firing of > >missiles from nuclear subs. This pretty well indicates that it is likely > >land-bassed missiles and their older systems will have the same problem. > >Our world is nearly over. Buy food, tools and guns. > > > >Allen Comstock > > > >-------------Begin Forwarded Material------------------ > > > >3. Rick Cowles - DEC/Compaq - Utilities > > > >Nukes provide 20% of US Power; 60% in NJ; no easy fixes; Industry late; > >cited > >failures discovered in testing. > > > >4. Hernando Quintero - BRI - Power generation > > > >Based on technical assessment of hundreds of systems in 20 generating > >facilities including Gas, Oil, and Coal but not Nuclear, 400 person days > >per > >site; expert engineers. > > > >15% of systems are not Y2K compliant and have problems ranging from minor > >inconveniance to loss of life. > > > >Problems found in systems responsible for boilers, water treatment, > >programmable sequence controls, area control systems, cc20 boiler > >management, > >turbine management, smart sensor data freeze, etc. [...] > > > >----------------------- > >Met several c.s.y2k'ers; reflected on the new wave of denial in c.s.y2k; > >please denial-heads, don't attempt to reason this one out. Don't try to > >extrapolate from what you know to Y2K failure modes. > > > >Last year we had a c.s.y2k squabble about nuclear missile controls; a > >denial-head who said his wife had been a launch officer ran his keyboard, > >called us stupid for worrying about launch controls. Well guess what, CACI > >has run tests and has found date problems in nuclear missile launch > >controls. > >Just because his wife knew the combo to the safe and how to key the > >system, doesn't mean she has any understanding about what's under the hood. > > > >Last year we had a c.s.y2k squabble about planes, air traffic control, and > >the > >FAA. Turns out that KLM is canceling flights, the FAA is hosed, and > > >tonight at DC Y2K> there are 170 date sensitive systems in a jetliner. > > > >Power? Rick managed to keep those denial heads in check but, surprise, > >Hernando has run tests and checks on 20 generating facilities and they have > >big problems to include the possibility of loss of life. > > > >Got it, denial-heads, Y2K is real; don't attempt to reason it out; don't > >extrapolate from what you know. That's like going into a chemical > >manufacturing plant and declaring that you know that turning knobs won't > >cause > >a problem... because you saw a chemistry set in a store once. > > > >Stay tuned to c.s.y2k. Time ran out a year ago. > > > >cory hamasaki 681 days now. > > - Monte > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:55:42 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: AEP in DC: Iraq revenge fears as extremists are held (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:28:23 -0600 From: Bill Nalty To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: AEP in DC: Iraq revenge fears as extremists are held http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=3D000162243111016&rtmo=3D0sbebirq&atmo= =3D99999999&pg=3D/et/98/2/20/wanth120.html International News=20 Electronic Telegraph=20 Friday 20 February 1998 Issue 1001 Iraq revenge fears as extremists are held By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Washington=20 THE Aryan Nations movement, which is linked to the two men held in Las Vegas over a suspected plan to release anthrax, has ties to Iraq which raises concern that Baghdad could be seeking revenge on America. Iraq has a record of using white extremists to further its cause in the US. Dennis Mahon, a former Imperial Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan and now leader of the White Aryan Resistance in Oklahoma, was on the Iraqi payroll as a propagandist for three years between 1992 and 1995. In a recent interview with The Daily Telegraph, he said: "They paid me $100 a month, not much, but it all helps." During the build-up to the 1991 Gulf war he produced a TV documentary denouncing US policy towards Iraq. Dr Laurie Mylroie, an expert on Iraq at the Foreign Policy research institute in Philadelphia, is convinced that Saddam Hussein is engaged in a campaign of state-sponsored terrorism against the United States. She argues that Iraq was the mastermind behind the bombing of the World Trade Centre in New York in 1993, a claim supported by the FBI in New York. However, in Washington, FBI officials were convinced that the bombing was planned by Islamic extremists with no ties to any government. The Aryan Nations has an underground terrorist wing known as the Aryan Republican Army, or ARA. In a recruitment video titled the Armed Struggle Underground, obtained by The Telegraph, the group threatens to exterminate the Jewish population of the United States as part of its drive to create an "Aryan Republic". A laconic "Commander Pedro" is seen sitting in a command bunker with a ski mask covering his face. He threatens to use chemical and biological weapons to achieve ethnic cleansing. The ARA is the successor to the Aryan Resistance Movement, the military arm of a clandestine Nazi organisation called the Bruders Schweigen, or simply the Order. It was broken up by the FBI in 1984. A county grand jury in Oklahoma is investigating allegations that Elohim City, and the Aryan Nations movement in general, was behind the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995, the worst act of terrorism in US history. Carol Howe, an undercover informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, warned its Tulsa office in late 1994 that residents of Elohim City were planning to bomb federal buildings. Phone records show that Tim McVeigh, the convicted bomber, called the compound shortly before the blast. Larry Harris, 46, who was arrested with William Leavitt, 47, on Wednesday night was arrested two years ago with the germ that causes bubonic plague. He was also carrying a map of the New York subway. Three phials containing the germ were sent to his Ohio home by Federal Express at his request. FBI agents, alerted by the laboratory, raided his house, finding 10 M-1 carbines, smoke grenades and blasting caps. Harris was only charged with fraud for saying the germ was destined for the company for which he worked. He was placed on probation for 18 months and ordered to stop saying he worked for the CIA. 22 December 1997: Terror threat grows after Oklahoma blast 21 October 1997: FBI 'knew in advance' of Oklahoma bomb 25 April 1997: Bomb plotter aimed 'to shake up America' http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=3D000162243111016&rtmo=3D0sbebirq&atmo= =3D99999999&pg=3D/et/98/2/20/wanth120.html =A9 Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1998. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:51:01 -0500 From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: Religious Freedom?? PLEASE RESPOND! Although this comes from a painfully liberal list, I strongly agree that this Resolution is another step to removing the First Amendment. Please vote! Rachel > >ISTOOK warps survey on WEB. PLEASE COMPLETE IT. > >If you have a few moments, please go to the link below and complete the >survey. It is being conducted by Rep. Ernest Istook, whose >so-called Religious Freedom Amendment is about to be debated in the >House. There's also space on that web site to type in some comments >about how you feel about his attempt to rewrite the Bill of Rights. > >** Remember that Question 1 is very misleading in that truly voluntary >individual and group prayer IS already allowed, but not in the >captive-audience classroom situation. > >http://religiousfreedom.house.gov/survey.htm > >Laura Montgomery Rutt > >(forwarded info from Carl Silverman) > ************************************************************** * "Just when you think you've got me figured out * * The season's already changing..." -- Meredith Brooks * * mestetsr@post.drexel.edu * ************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: Boyd Subject: Re: Fratrum: Fwd: Blind Man's Bluff in the Year 2000 (fwd) snip >> Based on this post, I would like to recind my previous >> apology. > >Figgers; not to worry, I was being serious but not at *you*, John. I gotta say monte, I was as surprised as John by your post. >Fact is, if things get as bad as they might (and I *do* hope you're >right, John, but I just can't see it knowing what I know) food will >be non-existant at Safeway within days if not hours. John has wisely not publicly stated his food storage situation, but I don't think that's reason to assume he's not sitting on several months of stores. Where I live, (Seattle area) the red cross recommends people have - -everything- they'd need for 3 days with no outside help, so that's what I tell people I have. >I don't intend to threaten anybody, and of course I wouldn't expect >you to come to Iderho. But. What I have will barely be enough for >me and mine, and those that didn't have the forsight to be prepared >will hopefully know better than to try to take it from those who did. Well, if you see a guy in a souped up 77 ScoutII with 10 jerry cans on the roof and a trailer of supplies behind him. Please don't shoot -8' | . hee whack! Boyd - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:56:58 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: CAS: FBI CONSPIRACY IN FOSTER INVESTIGATION, Pt. 2 (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:04:21 EST From: HSprunt@aol.com To: Synergyinv@aol.com Cc: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: Re: CAS: FBI CONSPIRACY IN FOSTER INVESTIGATION, Pt. 2 In a message dated 98-02-19 21:02:11 EST, you write: << Thanks for posting this info. Amazing coverup, no? As a group, shouldn't we all be trying to help Patrick's case? >> For those who wish to do so, now is a particularly good time to send money to the Knowlton Legal Fund. The fund has been "living" pretty much hand to mouth, but every month or so there is another crisis or mini-crisis re $$$. I am doing some local fundraising (or fundraising efforts!) today for PK. I see the PK lawsuit as the best "wedge" into the whole Foster case right now. The work that has been done so far has turned up some very interesting non- public stuff (including totally new material and solid confirmtation of some long standing speculation) that is decidely "good news" from the point of view of the law suit (and of folks like me). It is a question of having the manpower and the horsepower to pursue a variety of "branches in the road" to the end -- that is to run down a wide range of evidential possibilities (I ID'd a lot of roads to go down in early 1995, went down some of them a long way, some of them a little way; there was a continuous trde-off re trying to put my time where I thought it would pay off the most. I know the results of some of that follow-up work and what I have heard is good news. I also believe that some branches I did not even think of -- let alone pursue in a substantive way -- are also leading to "good news." John and Pat necessarily ahve to play some of this kinda close to the chest (I am quite sure there is a lot of stuff they have not told me), but I do hear some this and that from time to time, especially when they think I know stuff they don't that interplays with stuff they are fidning out. They are also doing some good detective work on their own. Anyway, if you can afford it and want to do so, please send them some $$$ -- no matter how little (or how much!). John Clark's address has been published here many times. If you want to call to confirm the address for sending some $$$ John's phone number in DC is 202-332-3030 (as mnay of you know). Warm regards, Hugh S. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: Boyd Subject: Re: (fwd) Y2K: Navy Subs Can't fire Missiles, Embedded Chip Probs. Can anyone verify that comp.sys.y2k is an actual uusenet group? If it is i would like to check it out, but the two newshosts I've checked don't have it. Boyd - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: (fwd) Y2K: Navy Subs Can't fire Missiles, Embedded Chip Probs. re: comp.sys.y2k. our news server here doesn't have it. Just eyeballed ~400 news posting (using dejanews.com) on the year 2000 problem. the group in the comp heirarchy appears to be: comp.software.year-2000 there were postings on this scatter shot around various news groups, but this was the only dedicated group I found. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:35:52 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: Tucker Pleads Guilty (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:19:50 -0500 From: Gary Chappelle To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: Tucker Pleads Guilty LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - Former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker pleaded guilty Friday to setting up a sham bankruptcy that saved him and a partner $3 million in federal income taxes after the sale of a cable television business in Florida. In a plea agreement with Whitewater prosecutors who filed the charges, Tucker will be placed on probation. There was no immediate word on whether there was any requirement that he help investigators who are looking into President Clinton's Arkansas business dealings. In a hearing before U.S. District Judge Stephen M. Reasoner, Tucker admitted not disclosing the sale of a Plantation, Fla., cable television system when filing papers as part of a bankruptcy filing in Texas in the 1980s. ``I plead guilty,'' Tucker said. ``I accept responsibiility for it.'' The former governor, said his personal lawyer, John Haley, would plead guilty separately to a misdemeanor. The plea came the day after jury selection began in Tucker's trial on the cable deal. Tucker resigned after being convicted in a separate case brought by Whitewater prosecutors in 1996. He was sentenced to four years' probation, including 18 months of home detention that expired Thursday. Tucker has also battled health problems in recent years and underwent a liver transplant. Copyright 1998 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:38:22 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: U.S. Prepares to Bomb Nevada (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- < U.S. Prepares to Bomb Nevada < < WASHINGTON - The President said today that U.S. forces are prepared < to bomb the state of Nevada unless white supremacist groups open up < their homes to U.N. inspectors. Yesterday the FBI arrested two < supremacists in Nevada on suspicion of making Weapons of Mass < Destruction (WMD). < < Although many nations have biological and chemical weapons, < easily constructed with ingredients purchased from U.S. suppliers, < Secretary of State Notbright pointed out that white supremacists < are likely to use these weapons against their own people, and can < only be stopped by bombing these people first. < < After noting that civilian casualties are expected, Dr.-Ms.- < Madame-Secretary Notbright blurted out, "Our critics are wrong, and < we do have clear goals -- it's clear to us that these supremacists < can't kill women and children with Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) < if these women and children are already dead from our bombs. This < is the fundamental premise of our non-proliferation policy!" < < The students in the University of South Carolina audience, who < were required to brush their teeth and bring an apple for the teacher < before being admitted to the auditorium, nodded their heads politely. < < Some of Nevada's neighbors have not supported Washington's < buildup of forces, fearing that the reaction of supremacists in < their own states to U.S. policy will only exacerbate the problem. < When asked about this, the President replied, "I've already < consulted with my interns on this. They tell me that we can always < bomb those neighboring states at some point in the future. Right < now I just want to unzip my options and leave it open." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:00:56 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Bill Of Attainder Project (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:01:22 -0600 From: Tom Saunders To: rickie.a.slater@dartmouth.edu, freedom@spectra.net, observer@dmi.net, mlindste@clandjop.com, jeffs@gr.cns.net, fktown@flash.net, pwatson@utdallas.edu, Shiloh1@airmail.net, nox2128@montana.com Subject: Bill Of Attainder Project ********************************** BILL OF ATTAINDER PROJECT ********************************** Gestapo Methodology Scholars are finding out more about how the Nazi Gestapo worked and what made them so effective in taking away human and civil rights. There were actually fewer members of the Gestapo per capita than was suspected in the past. Major cities could have as few a 26 members of the feared group. How did they become so effective? They used citizens, the media, and fear. One of the myths they spread about Jews was that there was a secret world effort to overthrow the German government and enslave the German people. The propaganda machine of the Nazis became so effective spreading these rumors nobody objected to the sudden repression instituted by National Socialists against anybody that fit the profile. Sound familiar? Can the same sort of tyranny be happening in the United States today? Are government agencies effectively destroying civil liberties by playing the "us and them" game the way the Nazis did? Examine the facts. One of the first things Nazis did was institute plans of asset forfeiture and other bills of attainder against anyone they could label subversive or criminal. Germans who were being convinced that these subversives were a danger to them remained complacent while they watched the Nazis become more and more abusive. Eventually the Nazis stripped their victims of all property, civil, and human rights. They did the same to anyone who thought abuse was a bad idea. Have you ever told an American cop that current policies like asset forfeiture are wrong? Don't do it if you are a suspect. One of the things that helped Nazis get away with their evil was the fact that few Germans understood what their rights were. Most Americans do not know enough about the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to object to unfair searches and seizures. The same manipulations the Gestapo pulled against the Germans are being pulled against Americans now. Some will object to comparing the American government and police to Nazis. True, the target groups are different as are the motives but the methodology is unmistakable. The use of the "us and them" manipulations are the same. More developed technologies make the repression even more effective and systematic. The media is as effective for American repression of rights today as it was for the Gestapo. This is happening because the government manipulates the media in spite of the fact they do not own it. Few Americans are aware of these manipulatins and how they happen. (For more on how this manipulation works one should see the documentaries of Barbra Trent of the Empowerment Project) On 2/12/98 Channel 7 in Los Angeles aired a live story about a bus in Hollywood where every passenger was made to exit the bus, one at a time with their hands in the air, everyone was searched searched. The bus was stopped because it was alleged that a man was brandishing a pistol. In spite of the fact that the man was arrested and the gun was in custody all the rest of the passengers were searched after the suspect had been taken away in a patrol car. Anyone the police determined to be a gang member was arrested. If the passenger fit the profile he was taken away. All during the live broadcast newscasters and police justified the actions of police at the scene by stating their "might be" more guns or the suspect may have given others on the bus weapons to hold. Other justifications included comments about fellow gang members who "might" be involved. It never occurred to the media that they were watching civil rights violations as they were taking place. Certainly the policeman helping newsmen present the broadcast did not mention the fact that anyone had Fourth Amendment rights against unlawful searches. The Bill Of Attainder project has received many reports of warrantless door-to-door searches taking place in North Carolina in the search for suspected bomber Eric Rudolph. Rudolph has been named as a suspect in an abortion clinic in Atlanta. Again, the media mentions nothing about the rights of citizens being violated. They only paint a picture of the police doing their job to protect us from terrorists. Police are using road blocks all over the country and justifying them in any way they can. Soon they will stop trying to justify them. On 11/24/97 the Bill Of Attainder Project revised and issued an article, "War's Deadliest Weapon" which exposed the use of post- MILSTAR satellite technology to spy on American citizens. The Libertarian Party released an article, 2/17/98, which mirrored the Project's article about the same kind of abuse using satellite technology with amazing capabilities. It is clear that the government intends to protect us by eliminating the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Can American police abuse citizens to the extent the Gestapo did? If police are allowed to abuse and murder citizens like Brian Cox, or on Ruby Ridge, and go unchecked in their abuse of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, they will be exactly as bad as the Gestapo. Every major police agency in the country has been militarized. America is not becoming a police state, it has already become a police state. The warnings of scholars like Noam Chomsky that America would become a "National Security State" have gone unheeded. Time will tell if Americans can recover their rights and heritage. It is time to confront legislators and the media with the facts. If we do not demand our rights we will continue to lose them. Bill Of Attainder Project http://www.isc-durant.com/tom/billofattainder - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Subject: NRA CRIMESTRIKE in action? Lets lock up those violent juvenile offenders! bd - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- News Story Pensacola News Journal Friday, Febuary 20, 1998 Kindergartner arrested in school scuffle By Sonja Lewis and Lesley Conn New Journal Staff Writters Her daddy told her it was like finger-painting, but 5 yaer-old Chaquita Doman was actually being fingerprinted following her arrest Wednesday and it wasn't fun. The Edgewater Elementary kindergarten student was booked on a felony battery warrant at the Department of Youth Services after scuffling with her school counselor. Linda green, 51, told Escambia deputies Chaquita bit and scratched her Feb. 3 when she tried to calm the girl. The warrant for battery of an elected official or educator was issued the day of the incident. Escambia deputies have never arrested anyone younger, a spokeswoman said. Chaquita's father, Lee Ernest Middleton, said the arrest is the most ludicrous thing he's ever experienced. District spokeswoman Barbara Frye said school officials were making sure a child with "an-out-of-contorl rage" got some counseling. Deputies notified Chaquita's parents Tuesday of the arrest warrant. Her parents brought her in Wednesday. "Can you imagine what it's like to have your daughter fingerprinted and escorted by a deputy to a juvenile facility?" asked her father. Middleton, 35, said he plans to contact a lawer as early as this morning because of the emotional trauma suffered by his daughter and her identical twin sister, Shakita. He took his daughters out of school Thursday. Missing four of her front teeth, Chaquita nodded Thursday that she bit and scratched someone. "She's good", she said tossing her thumb towards her twin. "I'm bad". Chaquita threw furniture and inflicted at least 27 deep scratches and bit Green's arm to cause "significant bleeding," Frye said. Chaquita was suspended for three days and her parents were asked to sign a counseling referral slip, Frye said. Because Green wanted the child to be councled, she called deputies. Middleton says he was not asked to sign anything until her suspention was up. He said he agreed to counseling. Because of juvenile protection laws, the State Attorney's Office could not say what action was taken. But her parents were told there would be no charges filed, they said. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:32:02 -0800 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: [Fwd: WARNING VIRUS] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------E6A23E2783A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thus might be bogus. Sounds a lot like others that were. But FWIW. 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