From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #96 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 096 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:48:25 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: FBI stopped looking for John Doe #2 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:25:25 -0600 Subject: OKC-JD#2 Investigation was Officially Stopped 2 wks after bombing Transcript Source: KTOK Afternoon News March 26, 1998 - 4 p.m. JERRY BOHNEN (News Director): KTOK News has learned the search for John Doe 2 came to an unexplained halt just two weeks after the bombing. An FBI Air-Tel message from May 3rd of 1995 states, quote, "The Oklahoma Command Post has directed all offices to hold Unknown Subject No. 2 leads in advance..." meaning, the John Doe No. 2 leads were not actively pursued. An FBI spokesman couildn't comment on why the leads were held in advance, but says those leads could be re-opened at any time. Now, the bombing judge might expect the federal government is still investigating, but State Representative Charles Key tells us Judge Richard Matsch is wrong. CHARLES KEY (State Representative): Those in the federal government that represent the FBI and the Justice Department both have said numerous times over the past few months that they have no one on this case any more. JERRY BOHNEN: And he feels that perhaps in some way his call for the County Grand Jury investigation has been validated. But did the judge overstep his boundaries? KTOK's Nate Webb has more. NATE WEBB (Reporter): Until now, the way in which federal Judge Richard Matsch has conducted the two Oklahoma City bombing trials has received little criticism. That changed yesterday during a pre-sentencing hearing when the judge suggested to bombing co-conspiratory Terry Nichols he might receive a lighter sentence if he answered lingering questions surrounding the bombing. Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy is among those who thinks the judge went too far. BOB MACY (OK County D.A.): Plea negotiations are normally a matter between the defense attorney and the prosecutor with the judge simply coming in to approve or disapprove. NATE WEBB: Ironically, Macy also finds himself in agreement with Nichols' attorneys who say any additional comments from their client might be used against him in any local prosecution. I'm Nate Webb, KTOK News. [End] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:03:19 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism (fwd) > trade. These unleash the powerful engines of capitalism that go on a > tear. Factories and businesses open and close with startling speed, in > that "creative destruction" so beloved of think-tank scholars. As > companies merge, downsize and disappear, the labor force must > always be ready to pick up and move on. I have been saying this for the last 5 years. I like 80% of the ideas of the Libertarian party except for the idea of global free trade. There is what we call a bell curve: Dumb 30%--Average 40%--Smart 30%. This has held most likely by genetics for all of history as far as I can tell. If we do not provide some kind of "American Dream" standard of living opportunity for the average and lower population they are ripe for revolution. As you can see from the numbers this provides up to 60% that can easily side with a movement. The movement can be the American 1900 Progressives that became the Socialist and later the FDR Big deal. It can be the Hitler NAZI party. It can be the Russian Communist, Chinese Communist. Or it can be Europe's Socialist party, or it can be Clinton and the era of big government. Having lots of factory jobs that payed the blue collar people with high school or less, middle class wages is far better than welfare and government work projects to replace them. In todays global economy these people are forced to compete with Red Chinese slave labor and Malaysia 12 year old kids working 70 hours a week and living in cardboard houses. Its great for the stockholders but sucks for the low end producers. Not all people can be "A" students and computer programmers. Currently many of these people have taken service jobs paying at todays rates 1980 wages. The majority of these people have taken a 20 year cut in pay to inflation. Unless we do something to share with these people a little more of the wealth the socialist will be glad to do it for us with government. These are the seeds of war and conflict and what the whole "Robber Barron" Monopoly era of the 1890's was all about. The unbridled Predatory Capitalism of merger mania, buy outs, hostile takeovers, and no company or employee loyalty has resulted in a me for me society. Is this what we want? I do not think so. Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats all fail to come up with a society that provides the American dream standard of living and personal Liberty. If you eliminate the big government like Libertarians want you just lost 50% of the jobs in America. If you implement all the Government that Democrats want you have no one to make money and pay taxes to support it. If you do what the Republicans want, well, I am not sure what they want these days, I think they want good Washington DC press and Poll data. Notice I did not say we need complete protectionism either. What we need is something other than any one extreme shift that leaves out the lower class in the short run. What we need is small government, lots of liberty and lots of small business and few monopoly or oligarchy or multi national corporations. Big anything whether its a church, school system, government or multi-national corporation soon forget what ever they were formed for and focus on self preservation at the expense of society. Regards, Paul Watson - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 15:48:47 PST From: Jack@minerva.com Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism roc@lists.xmission.com wrote : >At 3:58 PM -0600 3/26/98, wrote: >>Subject: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism >> >>Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism >>By Patrick J. Buchanan >> >> >> UNDER JIMMY CARTER, unemployment hit 7 percent, >snip >>John Gray, an >> ex-Thatcherite in England, believes it does. He argues his case in >> "False Dawn: The Delusions of Global Capitalism." >> Reaganism and Thatcherism, says Gray, have in common deep tax >> cuts, the slashing of safety nets and welfare benefits, > >This never happened. Reagan allowed the tax cut through because of an >understanding with the oppositions leadership that spending would be cut. >The cut in the rate of growth of spending wasn't even a fraction of that >promised. > >> The benefits come in huge returns on capital, reflected in the stock >> market. The cost is paid in social upheaval and family breakdown, as >> even women with toddlers enter the labor force to keep up the >> family's standard of living. > >Anybody with a whit of information about the demographics knows that it was >the tax increases under Nixon and before him that drove us to two family >incomes. Women entered the workforce -long- before Reagans time. Well in the real world I strongly suspect that what drove so many to work was the %%$$%% inflation that happened before Reagan took office. One of the great amazements to me is why so few are not ballistic that the greatest contributor to increasing the cost of living: TAXES are not included in the CPI. So, when you go to the late 80's one finds that the CPI was up 10 percent and most people got a 10 percent cost of living increase....how ever taxes took back half of the COLA leaving the households of the US to survive a 10 percent increase in the cost of living with a 5 percent increase in income. Year one one makes 100 dollars and spends 100 dollars living: 50 dollars for taxes and 50 dollars for other things. Cost of other things increase 5 dollars and taxes increase by 2.50. So, in year 2 the houshold has 105 dollars to spend: 52.50 for taxes and 52.50 to cover the cost of 55 dollars worth of essentials. It does not take many years of nonsense like this before women are driven to leave kids in day care to try and make enough to pay the rent / food. However, the worst part was that Taxes were not / are not considered in the cost of living. Amazing as it sounds they are considered a value improvement .....like useless air bags. So, if the cost of a car increases by a 1000 dollars for an unwanted air bag the cost of living does not increase one penny since the BLS says the consumers have increased value....even if unwanted instead of increased cost. Taxes are considered to be increased value and so no matter how much they increase there is no inflation / no increase in the cost of living.....and this is true even if those who pay taxes get nearly zilch benefit and those who pay no taxes get nearly all the benefit thru rich benefits. But if one goes back to the late 50s and early 60's when the total tax bite for Federal / State / Local was 20 percent or so of income and compare it with the present rate of close to 50 percent then one sees that if there was a 100 dollars of income in 1960 and 25 dollars of it went to taxes then by now one needs 25 percent more to have the same living standard.....but that if one manages to get a better job / two jobs and made the extra 25 dollars 12.5o was taken back in taxes.....and much worse this fantastic increase in taxes in sitting in much higher prices for everything....and yet all the increase due to higher taxes never appears in the cost of living or inflation figures. To gain file cabinet space I have imaging and copying to CDs much of the stuff I saved from the 50s and 60s. It is awe inspiring to see how cheap everything was then: 19 cent a gallon gasoline / a hospital visit for ten dollars. The most outrageous thing is to compare the cost of a years subscription to the WSJ on a year by basis and see how fast it goes up while its pages are filled every day with the news that there is no inflation But if you want to see why everyone is forced to work around the clock compare the costs of various essentials with wages and the immense increase in taxes on a year by year basis since the end of the second world war .......but even so there was no compelling need for all to work until the inflation of the late 80's and the government taking back half of all cost of living increases in extra taxes Jack Jack Perrine | ATHENA Programming, Inc | 626-798-6574 | ---------------- | 1175 No. Altadena Drive | fax 398-8620 | jack@minerva.com | Pasadena, CA 91107 US | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:57:25 -0800 From: Cyrano Subject: [Fwd: AB23 PULLED, COMING BACK!!!!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------AA101EA3E8E9A43E1EBE6741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Steve Silver Proud Member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy & Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) non-profit corporation * * * Self defense is not a crime. Firearms: They save lives. - --------------AA101EA3E8E9A43E1EBE6741 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from bulk.starnine.com (bulk.starnine.com [198.211.93.99]) by ixmail9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id LAA20516; ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mikeh.starnine.com (mikeh.starnine.com [198.211.93.36]) by bulk.starnine.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11882; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mikeh.starnine.com with ADMIN;26 Mar 1998 11:44:13 -0800 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by starnine.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04582 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA11018; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:39:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca21-02.ix.netcom.com(204.31.253.98) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010984; Thu Mar 26 13:38:49 1998 Message-ID: <351AAF6C.EC5C482C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:41:32 -0800 From: Joel Friedman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mcgeneral@mikeh.starnine.com" Subject: AB23 PULLED, COMING BACK!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PLEASE CROSS-POST TO EVERYONE YOU HAVE POSTED THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE TO !!!!!!!!!!!1 Just learned that AB23 was pulled for lack of support. Think this was a test of who stands where. Now the other side will arm twist those who are weak. This means they put back on the floor anytime today or tomorrow. KEEP MELTING THE PHONES!!!!! Joel Friedman Pasadena/Foothills MC - --------------AA101EA3E8E9A43E1EBE6741-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:23:59 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: RE: "Globalism: Dictatorship of the Capital" (A book review of "False Dawn" by John Gray - TiM GW Bulletin 98/3-9, 3/26/98) (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:31:36 -0700 From: Bob Djurdjevic Reply-To: act@efn.org To: timed@djurdjevic.com Subject: RE: "Globalism: Dictatorship of the Capital" (A book review of "= False Dawn" by John Gray - TiM GW Bulletin 98/3-9, 3/26/98) FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA --------------------------------------------------------------------- Truth in Media's GLOBAL WATCH Bulletin 98/3-9 26-Mar-98 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic: GLOBAL AFFAIRS - ----------------------------- A Review of a New Book, "False Dawn," by John Gray, an Oxford University=20 Professor, Who Debunks Some Myths of Free Market/Free Trade Aficionados=20 GLOBALISM: DICTATORSHIP OF THE CAPITAL Free Markets and Free Trade Will Lead Wars and Impoverishment of Millions - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - - ------------- PHOENIX - Democracy and free trade are rivals, not allies, says John Gray, an Oxford University professor, in his new book, "False Dawn," which has just been published in Great Britain by Granta Publications. Ergo, "democratic capitalism," the globalists' rallying cry, is an oxymoron designed to fool the designated victim - the world's taxpayer and patriot. So exporting "democratic capitalism" around the world is like claiming to be a "benevolent terrorist" (our analogy, not that of the author).=20 The preceding is one of the myths which this refreshingly candid book seeks to debunk. Another is that there is something really new in the so-called New World Order (NWO) of the 1990s. A scholar who has read history as well as politics, Gray explains how the world's first and the only experiment with free markets, free trade and laissez-faire economics in mid-19th century Great Britain ended up in defeat and led to World War I. =20 The free market that existed in England from the 1840s to the 1870s was one of boom in the strictly economic terms of rising productivity and national wealth. But it was a boom whose social costs were politically insupportable=85 "Today's regime of global laissez-faire will be briefer th= an even the belle =E9poque of 1870 to 1914, which ended in the trenches of the Great War," Gray predicts confidently. Why then can't today's global "social engineers," the Wall Street financial elite, learn from history and thus avoid making the old mistakes? =20 One reason is that they don't view themselves as "social engineers." Social consequences of the free markets and globalism are ignored by today's policies of the materialistic NWO plutocrats. The second reason is that they are driven by the same lust for money and power as the British bankers and businessmen were in Victorian time. The third reason is that people like that rarely pay attention to lessons of history. Which is why they are doomed to repeat it, often at their peril. "Those who imagine that great errors of policy are not repeated in history have not learnt is chief lesson - that nothing is ever learnt for long," Gray dishes out an ominous summation. "We are at present in the midst of an experiment in utopian social engineering whose outcome we can know in advance." Ethnic conflicts. Mass poverty. World war! =09=09=09Dictatorship of Capital Which is why Gray warns that the attempt to impose on the world the Anglo-American style free market philosophy will create a disaster on the scale of Soviet Communism. It will cause wars, worsen ethnic conflicts, and impoverish millions. Not everything can be traded, nor should be, he says. =20 Such as a kaleidoscope of world cultures, for example. America, the supposed flagship of the new civilization, is doomed to moral and social disintegration, Gray predicts. For, "the U.S. will lose ground to other cultures which have never forgotten that the market works best when it is embedded in society." And he notes that the free market philosophy is impoverishing the American bourgeois civilization [i.e., the middle class - TiM Ed.] just we had reported earlier this year - see TiM GW Bulletins 98/1-1, 1/01/98 and 98/1-2, 1/02/98]. Okay, so free markets and free trade have already caused many problems around the world. But "a disaster on the scale of Soviet Communism?" Surely that must be an exaggeration? Only to those brainwashed by the NWO establishment media. This is where another lesson of history comes to the aid of the open-minded. =09"In an almost inevitable irony this Smithian theory of economic=20 =09modernization had much in common with the Marxian theories on=20 =09which Soviet institutions had been based. 'Karl Marx' theory of=20 =09historical inevitability has been taken up by a new breed of social=20 =09engineers, ensconced in the International Monetary Fund, the US=20 =09State Department, Western European governments and the editorial=20 =09offices of most western newspapers." In other words, today's free market globalism is merely another mutation of Marxism. It's a "red" sheep in a wolf's clothing. Communism was a dictatorship of the proletariat. Globalism is a dictatorship of the capital. But both are dictatorships! And both ideologies have been hatched and crafted in the same mints - the boardrooms of the world's top bankers.=20 At the start of the century, it was Lenin and his Bolsheviks who destroyed an ancient culture and millions of human lives ostensibly in the name of communism. Today, it is the transnational corporations (TNCs) that are the ruthless soldiers of globalism. =20 =09=09=09Western Deadly "Experiments" in Russia Russia has been the site of two experiments in western utopianism during this century. The first was Bolshevism... the second was shock therapy, Gray observes. Both Utopian experiments had enormous human costs. Both were failed modernizations guided by western theories or models that had little relevance to Russia's history and circumstances. Shock therapy aimed to construct a free market in post-communist Russia. "It produced instead a species of mafia-dominated anarcho-capitalism," the author says. "Only an extraordinary blindness to history permitted western advisers such as (Jeffrey) Sachs to imagine that the question of Russia's European or Asiatic identity, unresolved since Peter the Great, could be settled by a few years of market reform," Gray argues. =20 It is possible, in fact probable, that Sachs was indeed merely a blind soldier of the NWO globalists. But there is no question that those who picked him for the job; those who financed the "Destruction of Russia II"-project, carried out by the "reformers" who tried to suck the lifeblood out of this vast country, had a 20/20 vision. The same greed and hatred of the predominantly Orthodox Christian Russia motivated the western bankers who financed Lenin and his communist revolution in 1917. Which is why, what Professor Gray benevolently calls "two experiments in western utopianism," seems to us more like two deliberate acts of malice against the predominantly Orthodox Christian Russia. Now, why would the western bankers do a fool thing like that? "False Dawn" provides a partial answer. Ironically for a book which is attacking the blind materialism and defending cultural diversity, its answer is in the economic (i.e., materialistic) sphere. =20 =09"In the late 19th century, Russia entered a period of racing economic=20 =09growth comparable to that of early 19th century Britain, 1870s America,= =20 =09or China today. In 1880-1917 Russia laid more miles of railway track=20 =09than any country in the world at that time; its industrial production= =20 =09grew at an annual rate of 5.7 % over the whole period, accelerating in= =20 =09the four years before World War I to 8%. Late Tsarism was an era not=20 =09of stagnation but of swiftly advancing modernization." So the West Side Gang inflicted Russia with its own invention - the communist virus - to eliminate a tough competitor, seems to be an implication. Okay, but why would these supposedly civilized Westerners be accomplices to murder of so many millions of Russians, especially the bourgeois (the middle class), the "kulaks" (wealthy peasants), and the Orthodox Christian clergy? Gray provides a hint, though not a full answer: =09"Russian traits, such as the hostility to commercial self-enrichment=20 =09and the sense of country's messianic role that have always been a=20 =09feature of Russian Orthodox Christianity." It is because of that role - as a leader of the Eastern Orthodox Christianity which rejects the supremacy of the things materials over matters spiritual - that Russia, "the third Rome," has been under attack by the West for the last two centuries. In the 19th century, the "High Cabal's" (read the British Crown's and its affiliated European aristocracy's) backers were the powerful bankers from the "Empire of the City (of London)," operating as the Merchant Bankers of the Bank of England. They included the Warburgs, Rothschilds, Barings, Brown-Shipley, Schroeders, Morgan-Grenfels, Lazard Fr=E8res, etc. with outposts in New Yor= k, Paris, Hamburg, Hong Kong, Switzerland, etc., according to a March 1995 report by the A-albionic Research Weekly. Today, the 19th century New York "outposts" have become Wall Street's global head offices. This second reason for continued repression of Russia is one of the areas in which the "False Dawn's" candor is less than resplendent. Yet, the preceding could offer a clue as to why Boris Yeltsin has just fired his entire cabinet. Himself a loyal servant of the NWO elite's interests until recently, perhaps Russia's ailing president has had some second thoughts about the kind of legacy he will be leaving behind when he is gone? His upcoming meeting with President Chirac of France and Chancellor Kohl of Germany is being built in Moscow as a budding anti-Anglo-American tripartite European alliance, according to today's (Mar. 26) Daily Telegraph, a London paper. There was one other time in European history when Britain (and the U.S.) were left out in the cold, just as the above summit implies. It was also at a moment of a supreme triumph of the British Crown. In 1815, as Napoleon escaped from Elba, raised an army, just to be defeated for a final time at Waterloo, a "Holy (Christian) Alliance" was formed. It included the Vatican, Austria, Russia, Prussia, and Spain. Years later, France also joined it. The French-German-Russian 1998 summit may not amount to much more than the Holy Alliance did in stopping the Perfidious Albion and its Wall Street successor. That's because all western leaders' loyalty seems to lie first with the with the Almighty Dollar, rather than with the interests of their people. But the tripartite summit is an example of saber-rattling by the NWO serfs. Speaking of which, Gray's "False Dawn" reminds the reader that, Russia abolished serfdom in 1861, a year before slavery was abolished in the United States. And that by 20th century standards, "the late Tsarist Russia was not especially repressive." In 1895, for example, the Okhrana, the Tsarist secret police, had only 161 full-time employees, supported by a Corp of Gendarmes of less than 10,000 men. By 1921, the Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka, accounted for over a quarter of a million men, not counting Red Army, NKVD, and militiamen." =09=09=09Author's Anti-Americanism Detracts from Real Issues Yet, Gray never mentioned the enormous numbers of law-enforcement people on western government payrolls today, ramming the New World Order medicines down our collective throats. Except when he pointed out the U.S. world leadership in one infamous category - incarcerations of its citizens. "In the United States free markets have contributed to social breakdown on a scale unknown in any other developed country," he writes. "Families are weaker in America than in any other country. At the same time, social order has been propped up by a policy of mass incarceration." =20 =09"All estimates of America's employment record must take into account=20 =09America's incarceration rates: Over a million people who would be=20 =09seeking work if American penal policies resembled those of any other=20 =09western country are behind bars in the US..." By contrast, in Great Britain, fewer than one in a thousand people are incarcerated, the author say, while the comparable figure in America is approaching one in a hundred. "Once this larger context is taken into consideration the American superiority in job-creation looks slight, perhaps even illusory," he concludes. Fair enough, so far. But the author's anti-American attitude begins to show in his subsequent arguments.=20 For example, Gray claims that the "US productivity has been low-around half that of most European countries." And that that was the reason the U.S. unemployment figures looked better than the European ones. Wonder what productivity measurements the author considered before making such a vague declaration? According to CIA's "The World Factbook 1997," the U.S. was No. 1 in terms of GDP per employed person, followed by France, Germany, the U.K. and Japan, among the developed countries. The U.S. was also No. 1 in the world in terms of GDP per capita, according to CIA's "The World Factbook 1995." =20 So it would appear that the "False Dawn's" author was FLAT WRONG in this assertion. Which is too bad, because it cheapens his other arguments and distracts from some really important issues. Such as how "un-American" the NWO-sponsored U.S. government really is. Whenever Gray used the term the "United States government" in a derogatory sense, he might have considered referring to a variant of the NWO, Wall Street or Washington elite. Just as is today's British, or any other western government - alienated from the people which "elected" it. After all, Gray did recognize that, "America today is a society in which an affluent majority looks on with complacent disdain at an underclass mired hopelessly in poverty and exclusion." And that, "America is no longer a bourgeois society. It has become a divided society, in which an anxious majority is wedged between an underclass that has no hope and an overclass that denies any civic obligations." So why then burden all Americans with the sins of NWO-corrupted Washington, given that our "middle classes are rediscovering the condition of assetless economic insecurity that afflicted the nineteenth-century proletariat?" And considering that the TNCs, the NWO "Princes of the 20th Century," as we have dubbed them, carry no nation's passports. Also, Prof. Gray, please spare us the British pity: "Most Americans now live in conditions of chronic acute insecurity," the author laments. =20 This may seem like news to this British scholar, but America was built on "acute insecurity!" "Necessity is a mother of invention," is one of our proverbs. What sort of security did the early immigrants to America enjoy? We don't need more security; we need MORE FREEDOM which the early American immigrants had. And which the Wall Street NWO crowd has been trying to take away from us. Another one of Gray's fallacies about America is that, in his words, "the ascendancy of the free market=85 has made liberalism [in today's modern context. TiM Ed.] illegitimate in American public culture. To be perceived as a liberal is a political liability. Liberal opinion in the United States today is the voice of a besieged minority=85" Really? What about the Democratic "liberals" stacked up top-to-bottom in the Clinton administration's White House, Treasury, Commerce, State, and Defense departments? Not to mention the (un-American) liberals in the National Security Agency, the CIA, the USIA and a bunch of other less prominent Washington initials? Yet, Gray CORRECTLY argues that "genuine conservative philosophy no longer exists... conservatives have become ranting evangelists for global capitalism." So is it possible that he used the term "liberal" in its original, positive 18th century sense, rather than in the current, corrupted "neo-liberal," materialistic and nihilistic meaning? For, as the TiM readers worldwide know, there is no such thing as Left and Right in the American politics anymore. Only Top and Bottom. Both the "liberals" and the "conservatives" have become the "ranting evangelists for global capitalism," to borrow the "False Dawn" author's own words. Just consider how the Republican leaders (Gingrich, Trent) sided with Clinton on the matter of the (now defeated) "fast track" legislation last fall. Or how Gingrich and Dole did the same in 1995 regarding the Wall Street bailout in Mexico using the U.S. taxpayers' money. =09=09=09=09SUMMARY Despite its (few) warts, Professor Gray's "False Dawn" signals a new dawn in discovery of the enormous crime which the global bankers have perpetrated upon the peoples of the world. Such awareness may help eradicate future crimes against humanity before the "High Cabal" destroy more humanity than they already have in the 20th century - 200 million people and counting, according to R.J. Rummell, a University if Hawaii professor. But don't take our word for it. If you don't believe us - buy the "False Dawn" book! (=A317.99, Granta Publications, ISBN 1-86207-023-7). And then judge it for yourself. - ------------ - ---- Bob Djurdjevic=20 TRUTH IN MEDIA=20 Phoenix, Arizona=20 e-mail: bobdj@djurdjevic.com=20 Truth in Media Web page: http://www.beograd.com/truth - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: [none] act@efn.org In-reply-to: (message from Boyd Kneeland on Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:50:15 -0700) Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism (fwd) Boyd, Nice post. I can't help myself, I have to add something. >> The attempt to impose >> Reaganomics in Europe has also brought backlash, as the jobless rate >> has risen above 12 percent. > >And, again, Reaganomics -never-happened. The spending cuts never came so >the private sector never needed to adopt aggressive stances on creating >private safety nets and we grew the deficit despite fantastic economic >growth. >No country (except possibly Chile) has had serious supply side economic >theory implemented in my lifetime. > Reaganomics is Europe? Is the original writer mad, or just a good propagandist? >>Conservative parties have been ousted in >> Canada, Britain, France and the United States, and the German >> conservatives are now running behind the socialists. > Yup, surprise, surprise. Socialists rule in Canada, Britain, and France. Wow, they tried Reagonmics, huh. The French are trying a mandatory 35 hour work week, that'll really bootstrap the economy, won't it. This shows how pathetic European politics is. Let 'em spend the next 15 years flailing around with socialist solutions. it won't work. guaranteed. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:20:37 -0700 From: Boyd Kneeland Subject: RE: "Globalism: Dictatorship of the Capital" (A book review of "False Dawn" by John Gray - TiM GW Bulletin 98/3-9, 3/26/98) (fwd) At 8:23 AM -0600 3/27/98, wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:31:36 -0700 >From: Bob Djurdjevic >Reply-To: act@efn.org >To: timed@djurdjevic.com >Subject: RE: "Globalism: Dictatorship of the Capital" (A book review of >"False Dawn" by John Gray - TiM GW Bulletin 98/3-9, 3/26/98) > >>FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Truth in Media's GLOBAL WATCH Bulletin 98/3-9 26-Mar-98 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Topic: GLOBAL AFFAIRS I want it to be very clear, that while I strongly disagree with what Mr. Gray is saying here (and Pauls agreement with him) this isn't any sort of personal thing. If I get to strident, somebody tell me. I enjoy seeing posts like this. >A Review of a New Book, "False Dawn," by John Gray, an Oxford University >Professor, Who Debunks Some Myths of Free Market/Free Trade Aficionados > >GLOBALISM: DICTATORSHIP OF THE CAPITAL This is personification. Capital is a thing it can't dictate anything. What Mr. Grays really saying is that the owners of capital can form a dictatorship. Wich would be true if capital weren't something that any one of us can go out to www.schwab.com and buy. It points out the underyling classist (and therefore IMHO Marxist) mindset about capitalist elitists (another Marxist term). There -are- elites in this country, but their control of political power is -much- more dire a problem imho then their control of capital. (Take fore instance ADM, -please- ; ) >Free Markets and Free Trade Will Lead Wars and Impoverishment of Millions >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - >------------- > >PHOENIX - Democracy and free trade are rivals, not allies, says John Gray, >an Oxford University professor, in his new book, "False Dawn," which has >just been published in Great Britain by Granta Publications. Ergo, >"democratic capitalism," the globalists' rallying cry, is an oxymoron >designed to fool the designated victim - the world's taxpayer and patriot. >So exporting "democratic capitalism" around the world is like claiming to >be a "benevolent terrorist" (our analogy, not that of the author). > >The preceding is one of the myths which this refreshingly candid book seeks >to debunk. Another is that there is something really new in the so-called >New World Order (NWO) of the 1990s. A scholar who has read history as well >as politics, Gray explains how the world's first and the only experiment >with free markets, free trade and laissez-faire economics in mid-19th >century Great Britain ended up in defeat and led to World War I. Great Britain is a monarchy, and was even more then. One of the causes of World War I IMHO was the hangers on of the monarchy (who were granted - -enormous- economic power). In pre WWI England the climber got knighthood - -first- then became a banker or was given political control of a sector of the empire from wich they could wring capital. >The free market that existed in England from the 1840s to the 1870s was one >of boom in the strictly economic terms of rising productivity and national >wealth. But it was a boom whose social costs were politically >insupportable=D6 "Today's regime of global laissez-faire will be briefer th= an >even the belle =C8poque of 1870 to 1914, which ended in the trenches of the >Great War," Gray predicts confidently. > >Why then can't today's global "social engineers," the Wall Street financial >elite, learn from history and thus avoid making the old mistakes? > >One reason is that they don't view themselves as "social engineers." >Social consequences of the free markets and globalism are ignored by >today's policies of the materialistic NWO plutocrats. The second reason is >that they are driven by the same lust for money and power as the British >bankers and businessmen were in Victorian time. The third reason is that >people like that rarely pay attention to lessons of history. Which is why >they are doomed to repeat it, often at their peril. > >"Those who imagine that great errors of policy are not repeated in history >have not learnt is chief lesson - that nothing is ever learnt for long," >Gray dishes out an ominous summation. "We are at present in the midst of >an experiment in utopian social engineering whose outcome we can know in >advance." Ethnic conflicts. Mass poverty. World war! > > Dictatorship of Capital > >Which is why Gray warns that the attempt to impose on the world the >Anglo-American style free market philosophy will create a disaster on the >scale of Soviet Communism. It will cause wars, worsen ethnic conflicts, >and impoverish millions. Not everything can be traded, nor should be, he >says. > >Such as a kaleidoscope of world cultures, for example. America, the >supposed flagship of the new civilization, is doomed to moral and social >disintegration, Gray predicts. For, "the U.S. will lose ground to other >cultures which have never forgotten that the market works best when it is >embedded in society." And he notes that the free market philosophy is >impoverishing the American bourgeois civilization [i.e., the middle class - >TiM Ed.] just we had reported earlier this year - see TiM GW Bulletins >98/1-1, 1/01/98 and 98/1-2, 1/02/98]. > >Okay, so free markets and free trade have already caused many problems >around the world. But "a disaster on the scale of Soviet Communism?" >Surely that must be an exaggeration? Only to those brainwashed by the NWO >establishment media. This is where another lesson of history comes to the >aid of the open-minded. > > "In an almost inevitable irony this Smithian theory of economic > modernization had much in common with the Marxian theories on > which Soviet institutions had been based. 'Karl Marx' theory of > historical inevitability has been taken up by a new breed of social > engineers, ensconced in the International Monetary Fund, the US > State Department, Western European governments and the editorial > offices of most western newspapers." I gotta say, I resent being called (by implication) closed minded simply for disagreeing with someone. I am still hoping that paul or whoever penned this review will refute what I wrote. I will bow to superior clear logic because my mind is open. However, resorting to implied poison pen like this reflects poorly on the authors confidence in his logic. If he thought the case was compelling enough there would be no need to add the excess typing. BTW Smith is not -my- icon of free markets. And nobody I know claims the IMF is anything to do with FREE markets. Like I said in my last post, it and it's bailouts indicate how far we are from free markets. They forcibly take -your- money and give it to others who not only haven't earned it but have proven their incapacity for competition. >In other words, today's free market globalism is merely another mutation of >Marxism. It's a "red" sheep in a wolf's clothing. Communism was a >dictatorship of the proletariat. Globalism is a dictatorship of the >capital. But both are dictatorships! And both ideologies have been >hatched and crafted in the same mints - the boardrooms of the world's top >bankers. Dictatorship of the proletariat (another marxian fairey tale) my fat hairy middle classed butt. It was an oligarchy that pigs like Lenin and castro occaisionally converted to monarchys. One of the central arguments between Marx and his capitalist opponents was wether capitalism lead inevitably to monopoly and hence to boom and ultimately total bust, or wether free markets naturally broke up monopolies. Well, we haven't tried free markets, but I suggest that the evidence against Marx at this point, well, is fairly conclusive. Socialism does not work (sorry, to shock you all ; ) I say, lets give free markets a try. (And yes, that would involve changes to how corporations do business) >At the start of the century, it was Lenin and his Bolsheviks who destroyed >an ancient culture and millions of human lives ostensibly in the name of >communism. Today, it is the transnational corporations (TNCs) that are the >ruthless soldiers of globalism. TNCs as they exist now are IMHO naturally exclusive of free enterprise. They purchase political powers in the large fun pack size and they warp our legal system to escape liability. Why do we let them? Will they be used to turn us toward socialism? I hope not. > Western Deadly "Experiments" in Russia > >Russia has been the site of two experiments in western utopianism during >this century. The first was Bolshevism... the second was shock therapy, >Gray observes. Both Utopian experiments had enormous human costs. Both >were failed modernizations guided by western theories or models that had >little relevance to Russia's history and circumstances. And both happened far far less under the relative political freedom available in the west. No coincidence that the west was more capitalistic. As has been said before, capitalism, where the individual -chooses- where and what he will work, is the only economic system compatible with political freedom. >Shock therapy aimed to construct a free market in post-communist Russia. >"It produced instead a species of mafia-dominated anarcho-capitalism," the >author says. This after, what, five years? How long has russia -really- pursued capitalism? It didn't start the day the wall fell. Remember, these people had a generation or more to breed out (and in some cases, that is meant - -literally-, lenin did in fact move to eliminate traits of freedom from his peoples gene pool) any entrepreneureal (no sp) spirit. They have been indoctinate for more then a generation with the belief that seeking their own good is evil. Well kids, the middle east didn't build market economies in five, ten or even fifteen years. The russians have a hard row to tow ahead of them. Let's not use their example to start fitting ourselves for the yoke of a centrally planned economy. > "Only an extraordinary blindness to history permitted western >advisers such as (Jeffrey) Sachs to imagine that the question of Russia's >European or Asiatic identity, unresolved since Peter the Great, could be >settled by a few years of market reform," Gray argues. Huh? What's he saying? What does racial makeup have to do with modern politics or economics? >It is possible, in fact probable, that Sachs was indeed merely a blind >soldier of the NWO globalists. But there is no question that those who >picked him for the job; those who financed the "Destruction of Russia >II"-project, carried out by the "reformers" who tried to suck the lifeblood >out of this vast country, had a 20/20 vision. The same greed and hatred of >the predominantly Orthodox Christian Russia motivated the western bankers >who financed Lenin and his communist revolution in 1917. I have no idea what any of this is about. Someone please explain it. >Which is why, what Professor Gray benevolently calls "two experiments in >western utopianism," seems to us more like two deliberate acts of malice >against the predominantly Orthodox Christian Russia. Now, why would the >western bankers do a fool thing like that? > >"False Dawn" provides a partial answer. Ironically for a book which is >attacking the blind materialism and defending cultural diversity, its >answer is in the economic (i.e., materialistic) sphere. > > "In the late 19th century, Russia entered a period of racing economic > growth comparable to that of early 19th century Britain, 1870s >America, > or China today. In 1880-1917 Russia laid more miles of railway track > than any country in the world at that time; its industrial production > grew at an annual rate of 5.7 % over the whole period, accelerating in > the four years before World War I to 8%. Late Tsarism was an era not > of stagnation but of swiftly advancing modernization." > >So the West Side Gang inflicted Russia with its own invention - the >communist virus - to eliminate a tough competitor, seems to be an >implication. Okay, but why would these supposedly civilized Westerners be >accomplices to murder of so many millions of Russians, especially the >bourgeois (the middle class), the "kulaks" (wealthy peasants), and the >Orthodox Christian clergy? Gray provides a hint, though not a full answer: > > "Russian traits, such as the hostility to commercial self-enrichment > and the sense of country's messianic role that have always been a > feature of Russian Orthodox Christianity." > >It is because of that role - as a leader of the Eastern Orthodox >Christianity which rejects the supremacy of the things materials over >matters spiritual - that Russia, "the third Rome," has been under attack by >the West for the last two centuries. In the 19th century, the "High >Cabal's" (read the British Crown's and its affiliated European snip Wow, I have NO idea what that bit was about. Someone please explain it to me= =2E >the Tsarist secret police, had only 161 full-time employees, supported by a >Corp of Gendarmes of less than 10,000 men. By 1921, the Bolshevik secret >police, the Cheka, accounted for over a quarter of a million men, not >counting Red Army, NKVD, and militiamen." > > Author's Anti-Americanism Detracts from Real Issues > >Yet, Gray never mentioned the enormous numbers of law-enforcement people on >western government payrolls today, ramming the New World Order medicines >down our collective throats. Except when he pointed out the U.S. world >leadership in one infamous category - incarcerations of its citizens. > >"In the United States free markets have contributed to social breakdown on >a scale unknown in any other developed country," he writes. "Families are >weaker in America than in any other country. At the same time, social order >has been propped up by a policy of mass incarceration." This is patently rediculous. Is Gray claiming that in Serbia families are stronger then in the US? In the former eastern republics of USSR? People in these countries are dying at record rates, but they're families are "stronger" then ours?? Strength like that we can do with less of, I say we export it : ) > "All estimates of America's employment record must take into account > America's incarceration rates: Over a million people who would be > seeking work if American penal policies resembled those of any other > western country are behind bars in the US..." OK, I'm a pro at run on sentences. But that last one up there makes me hold my head. We have a -slightly- higher incarceration rate then other western countries (brittain, sweden, etc) -very- slightly largely because they do not imprison drug users. Without delving into the Libertarian Parties second most controversial stand, I'll just say, ... , boy I wish I knew what the heck that sentence meant. >By contrast, in Great Britain, fewer than one in a thousand people are >incarcerated, the author say, while the comparable figure in America is >approaching one in a hundred. "Once this larger context is taken into >consideration the American superiority in job-creation looks slight, >perhaps even illusory," he concludes. I don't beleive that. >Fair enough, so far. But the author's anti-American attitude begins to >show in his subsequent arguments. No, actually. >For example, Gray claims that the "US productivity has been low-around half >that of most European countries." And that that was the reason the U.S. >unemployment figures looked better than the European ones. We have the highest productivity rate in the world. Was this written in 90? The Germans used to have a higher rate then us before the wall (and subsequent migration) fell on them. But, um, no I have no idea how an - -economist- could get something this basic wrong. >Wonder what productivity measurements the author considered before making >such a vague declaration? According to CIA's "The World Factbook 1997," >the U.S. was No. 1 in terms of GDP per employed person, followed by France, >Germany, the U.K. and Japan, among the developed countries. The U.S. was >also No. 1 in the world in terms of GDP per capita, according to CIA's "The >World Factbook 1995." Damn right. >So it would appear that the "False Dawn's" author was FLAT WRONG in this >assertion. Which is too bad, because it cheapens his other arguments and >distracts from some really important issues. Such as how "un-American" the >NWO-sponsored U.S. government really is. It certainly does cheapen his other arguments. >Whenever Gray used the term the "United States government" in a derogatory >sense, he might have considered referring to a variant of the NWO, Wall >Street or Washington elite. Just as is today's British, or any other >western government - alienated from the people which "elected" it. > Rest of review where author flatly disagrees with every single point Gray makes, deleted. To bad the author couldn't have disagreed with the socialism thing and spared us the whole review ; ) > SUMMARY > >Despite its (few) warts, Professor Gray's "False Dawn" signals a new dawn >in discovery of the enormous crime which the global bankers have >perpetrated upon the peoples of the world. Such awareness may help >eradicate future crimes against humanity before the "High Cabal" destroy >more humanity than they already have in the 20th century - 200 million >people and counting, according to R.J. Rummell, a University if Hawaii >professor. Let me re iterate, that the IMF -and- the Federal Reserve wich is held up for scorn by Mr. Djurdjevic is also just as equally scorned by free market economists. IMF, GATT, and the Fed are indicators of the central planning still in our economy. -----> They are the -antithesis- of what free markets are about. <----- >But don't take our word for it. If you don't believe us - buy the "False >Dawn" book! (=A317.99, Granta Publications, ISBN 1-86207-023-7). And then >judge it for yourself. Not a chance, but I certainly will read it as soon as I get a loaner or the Seattle Library gets a copy : )> > >---- >Bob Djurdjevic >TRUTH IN MEDIA >Phoenix, Arizona >e-mail: bobdj@djurdjevic.com > > Truth in Media Web page: http://www.beograd.com/truth Boyd - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #96 ************************