From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #101 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, March 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 101 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 11:30:37 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Amerika, Amerika (fwd) Sorry about including html, but there's only a little at the start and finish..... On Mar 31, Josh Amos wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I saw this article and found that it covers many of the very topics that we have discussed on FAP. It's long so take heed. Josh >>>> <<<<<<<< >>>> Topic: White Water Amerika, Amerika Zola Times Posted 03/31/98 by Claire Wolfe=20
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7373,0000,0000 <<#Anchor-58500>Jump to Forum =20 <Go to Graphic Version=20 =20 =20 =20 Amerika, Amerika =20 by Claire Wolfe =20 =20 Let me run by you a brief list of items that are "the law" in America today. As you read, consider what all these have in common.=20 =20 1. A national database of employed people.=20 =20 2. 100 pages of new "health care crimes," for which the penalty is (among other things) seizure of assets from both doctors and patients.=20 =20 3. Confiscation of assets from any American who establishes foreign citizenship.=20 =20 4. The largest gun confiscation act in U.S. history - which is also an unconstitutional ex postfacto law and the first law ever to remove people's constitutional rights for committing a misdemeanor.=20 =20 5. A law banning guns in ill-defined school zones; random roadblocks may be used for enforcement; gun-bearing residents could become federal criminals just by stepping outside their doors or getting into vehicles.=20 =20 6. Increased funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an agency infamous for its brutality, dishonesty and ineptitude.=20 =20 7. A law enabling the executive branch to declare various groups "Terrorists" - without stating any reason and without the possibility of appeal. Once a group has been so declared, its mailing and membership lists must be turned over to the government.=20 =20 8. A law authorizing secret trials with secret evidence for certain classes of people.=20 =20 9. A law requiring that all states begin issuing drivers licenses carrying Social Security numbers and "security features" (such as magnetically coded fingerprints and personal records) by October 1, 2000. By October 1, 2006, "Neither the Social Security Administration or the Passport Office or any other Federal agency or any State or local government agency may accept for any evidentiary purpose a State driver's license or identification document in a form other than [one issued with a verified Social Security number and 'security features']."=20 =20 10. And my personal favorite - a national database, now being constructed, that will contain every exchange and observation that takes place in your doctor's office. This includes records of your prescriptions, your hemorrhoids and your mental illness. It also includes - - by law - any statements you make ("Doc, I'm worried my kid may be on drugs...... Doc, I've been so stressed out lately I feel about ready to go postal.") and any observations your doctor makes about your mental or physical condition, whether accurate or not, whether made with your knowledge or not. For the time being, there will be zero (count 'em, zero) privacy safeguards on this data. But don't worry, your government will protect you with some undefined "privacy standards" in a few years.=20 =20 All of the above items are the law of the land. Federal law. What else do they have in common?=20 =20 Well, when I ask this question to audiences, I usually get the answer, "They're all unconstitutional."=20 =20 True.=20 =20 My favorite answer came from an eloquent college student who blurted, "They all SUUUCK!" Also true.=20 =20 But the saddest and most telling answer is: They were all the product of the 104th Congress. Every one of the horrors above was imposed upon you by the Congress of the Republican- Revolution -- the Congress that pledged to "get government off your back."=20
=20 BURYING TIME BOMBS
=20 All of the above became law by being buried in larger bills. In many cases, they are hidden sneak attacks upon individual liberties that were neither debated on the floor of Congress nor reported in the media. For instance, three of the most horrific items (the health care database, asset confiscation for foreign residency and the 100 pages of health care crimes) were hidden in the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HR 3103).=20 =20 You didn't hear about them at the time because the media was too busy celebrating this moderate, compromise bill that "simply" ensured that no American would ever lose insurance coverage due to a job change or a Pre-existing condition.=20 =20 Your legislator may not have heard about them, either. Because he or she didn't care enough to do so. The fact is, most legislators don't even read the laws they inflict upon the public. They read the title of the bill (which may be something like "The Save the Sweet Widdle Babies from Gun Violence by Drooling Drug Fiends Act of 1984"). They read summaries, which are often prepared by the very agencies or groups pushing the bill. And they vote according to various deals or pressures.=20 =20 It also sometimes happens that the most horrible provisions are sneaked into bills during conference committee negotiations, after both House and Senate have voted on their separate versions of the bills. The conference committee process is supposed simply to reconcile differences between two versions of a bill. But power brokers use it for purposes of their own, adding what they wish. Then members of the House and Senate vote on the final, unified version of the bill, often in a great rush, and often without even having the amended text available for review.=20 =20 I have even heard (though I cannot verify) that stealth provisions were written into some bills after all the voting has taken place. Someone with a hidden agenda simply edits them in to suit his or her own purposes. So these time bombs become "law" without ever having been voted on by anybody.=20 =20 And who's to know? If congress people don't even read legislation before they vote on it, why would they bother reading it afterward? Are power brokers capable of such chicanery? Do we even need to ask? Is the computer system in which bills are stored vulnerable to tampering by people within or outside of Congress? We certainly should ask. Whether your legislators were ignorant of the infamy they were perpetrating, or whether they knew, one thing is absolutely certain:=20 =20 The Constitution, your legislator's oath to it, and your inalienable rights (which precede the Constitution) never entered into anyone's consideration. Ironically, you may recall that one of the early pledges of Newt Gingrich and Company was to stop these stealth attacks. Very early in the 104th Congress, the Republican leadership declared that, henceforth, all bills would deal only with the subject matter named in the title of the bill. When, at the beginning of the first session of the 104th, pro-gun Republicans attempted to attach a repeal of the "assault weapons" ban to another bill, House leaders dismissed their amendment as not being "germane." After that self-righteous and successful attempt to prevent pro-freedom stealth legislation, Congress people turned right around and got back to the dirty old business of practicing all the anti-freedom stealth they were capable of.=20
=20 STEALTH ATTACKS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT
=20 Three other items on my list (ATF funding, gun confiscation and school zone roadblocks) were also buried in a big bill - HR 3610, the budget appropriation passed near the end of the second session of the 104th Congress. No legislator can claim to have been unaware of these three because they were brought to public attention by gun-rights groups and hotly debated in both Congress and the media. Yet some 90 percent of all congress people voted for them including many who claim to be ardent protectors of the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Why?=20 =20 Well, in the case of my wrapped-in-the-flag, allegedly pro- gun, Republican congressperson: "Bill Clinton made me do it!"=20 =20 Okay, I paraphrase. What she actually said was more like, "It was part of a budget appropriations package. The public got mad at us for shutting the government down in 1994. If we hadn't voted for this budget bill, they might have elected a Democratic legislature in 1996 - and you wouldn't want THAT, would you?" Oh heavens, no I'd much rather be enslaved by people who spell their name with an R than people who spell their name with a D. Makes all the difference in the world!=20
=20 HOW SNEAK ATTACKS ARE JUSTIFIED
=20 The Republicans are fond of claiming that Bill Clinton "forced" them to pass certain legislation by threatening to veto anything they sent to the White House that didn't meet his specs. In other cases (as with the Kennedy-Kassebaum bill), they proudly proclaim their misdeeds in the name of bipartisanship - while carefully forgetting to mention the true nature of what they're doing. In still others, they trumpet their triumph over the evil Democrats and claim the mantle of limited government while sticking it to us and to the Constitution. The national database of workers was in the welfare reform bill they "forced" Clinton to accept. The requirement for SS numbers and ominous "security" devices on drivers licenses originated in their very own Immigration Control and Financial Responsibility Act of 1996, HR 2202. Another common trick, called to my attention by Redmon Barbry, publisher of the electronic magazine Fratricide, is to hide duplicate or near-duplicate provisions in several bills. Then, when the Supreme Court declares Section A of Law Z to be - -unconstitutional, its kissing cousin, Section B of Law Y, remains to rule us.=20 =20 Sometimes this particular form of trickery is done even more brazenly; when the Supreme Court, in its Lopez decision, declared federal-level school zone gun bans unconstitutional because Congress demonstrated no jurisdiction, Congress brassily changed a few words. They claimed that school zones fell under the heading of "interstate commerce." Then they sneaked the provision into HR 3610, where it became "law" once again. When angry voters upbraid congress people about some Big Brotherish horror they've inflicted upon the country by stealth, they claim lack of knowledge, lack of time, party pressure, public pressure, or they justify themselves by claiming that the rest of the bill was "good".=20 =20 The simple fact is that, regardless of what reasons legislators may claim, the U.S. Congress has passed more Big Brother legislation in the last two years - more laws to enable tracking, spying and controlling - than any Democratic congress ever passed. And they have done it, in large part, in secret. Redmon Barbry put it best: "We the people have the right to expect our elected representatives to read, comprehend and master the bills they vote on. If this means Congress passes only 50 bills per session instead of 5,000, so be it. As far as I am concerned, whoever subverts this process is committing treason." By whatever means the deed is done, there is no acceptable excuse for voting against the Constitution, voting for tyranny. And I would add to Redmon's comments: Those who do read the bills, then knowingly vote to ravage our liberties, are doubly guilty. But when do the treason trials begin?=20
=20 BILLS AS WINDOW DRESSING FOR AN UGLY AGENDA
=20 The truth is that these tiny, buried provisions are often the real intent of the law, and that the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pages that surround them are sometimes nothing more than elaborate window dressing. These tiny time bombs are placed there at the behest of federal police agencies or other power groups whose agenda is not clearly visible to us. And their impact is felt long after the outward intent of the bill has been forgotten.=20 =20 Civil forfeiture - now one of the plagues of the nation was first introduced in the 1970s as one of those buried, almost unnoticed provisions of a larger law. One wonders why on earth a "health care bill" carried a provision to confiscate the assets of people who become frightened or discouraged enough to leave the country. (In fact, the entire bill was an amendment to the Internal Revenue Code. Go figure.)=20 =20 I think we all realize by now that that database of employed people will still be around enabling government to track our locations (and heaven knows what else. about us, as the database is enhanced and expanded) long after the touted benefits of "welfare reform" have failed to materialize.=20 =20 And most grimly of all, our drivers licenses will be our de facto national ID card long after immigrants have ceased to want to come to this Land of the Once Free.=20
=20 CONTROL REIGNS
=20 It matters not one whit whether the people controlling you call themselves R's or D's, liberals or conservatives, socialists or even (I hate to admit it) libertarians. It doesn't matter whether they vote for these horrors because they're not paying attention or because they actually like such things.=20 =20 What matters is that the pace of totalitarianism is increasing. And it is coming closer to our daily lives all the time. Once your state passes the enabling legislation (under threat of losing "federal welfare dollars"), it is YOUR name and Social Security number that will be entered in that employee database the moment you go to work for a new employer. It is YOU who will be unable to cash a check, board an airplane, get a passport or be allowed any dealings with any government agency if you refuse to give your SS number to the drivers license bureau. It is YOU who will be endangered by driving "illegally" if you refuse to submit to Big Brother's procedures. It is YOU whose psoriasis, manic depression or prostate troubles will soon be the reading matter of any bureaucrat with a computer. It is YOU who could be declared a member of a "foreign terrorist" organization just because you bought a book or concert tickets from some group the government doesn't like. It is YOU who could lose your home, bank account and reputation because you made a mistake on a health insurance form. Finally, when you become truly desperate for freedom, it is YOU whose assets will be seized if you try to flee this increasingly insane country.=20 =20 As Ayn Rand said in Atlas Shrugged, "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."=20 =20 It's time to drop any pretense: We are no longer law- abiding citizens. We have lost our law-abiding status. There are simply too many laws to abide. And because of increasingly draconian penalties and electronic tracking mechanisms, our "lawbreaking" places us and our families in greater jeopardy every day.=20
=20 STOPPING RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT
=20 The question is: What are we going to do about it? Write a. nice, polite letter to your congressperson? Hey, if you think that'll help, I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying. (And it isn't your "bridge to the future," either.)=20 =20 Vote "better people, into office? Oh yeah, that's what we thought we were doing in 1994. Work to fight one bad bill or another? Okay. What will you do about the 10 or 20 or 100 equally horrible bills that will be passed behind your back while you were fighting that little battle? And let's say you defeat a nightmare bill this year. What, are you going to do when they sneak it back in, at the very last minute, in some "omnibus legislation" next year? And what about the horrors you don't even learn about until two or three years after they become law? Should you try fighting these laws in the courts? Where do you find the resources? Where do you find a judge who doesn't have a vested interest in bigger, more powerful government? And again, for every one case decided in favor of freedom, what do you do about the 10, 20 or 100 in which the courts decide against the Bill of Rights?=20 =20 Perhaps you'd consider trying to stop the onrush of these horrors with a constitutional amendment - maybe one that bans "omnibus" bills, requires that every law meet a constitutional test or requires all congress people to sign statements that they've read and understood every aspect of every bill on which they vote. Good luck! Good luck, first, on getting such an amendment passed. Then good luck getting our Constitution-scorning "leaders" to obey it. It is true that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, and part of that vigilance has been, traditionally, keeping a watchful eye on laws and on lawbreaking lawmakers.=20 =20 - ---------- =20 =20 But given the current pace of law spewing and unconstitutional regulation-writing, you could watch, plead and struggle "within the system" 24 hours a day for your entire life and end up infinitely less free than when you begin. Why throw your life away on a futile effort?=20 =20 Face it. If "working within the system" could halt tyranny, the tyrants would outlaw it. Why do you think they encourage you to vote, to write letters, to talk to them in public forums? It's to divert your energies. To keep you tame. 'The system" as it presently exists is nothing but a rat maze. You run around thinking you're getting somewhere. Your masters occasionally reward you with a little pellet that encourages you to believe you're accomplishing something. And in the meantime, you are as much their property and their pawn as if you were a slave. In the effort of fighting them on their terms and with their authorized and approved tools, you have given your life's energy to them as surely as if you were toiling in their cotton fields, under the lash of their overseer. The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me.=20 =20 (Unlike congress people, who think they can decide for everybody.) But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities.=20 =20 There are thousands of avenues to take, and this is something most of us still need to give more thought to before we can build an effective resistance. We will each choose the courses that are right for our own circumstances, personalities and beliefs.=20 =20 Whatever we do, though, we must remember that we are all, already, outlaws. Not one of us can be certain of going through a single day without violating some law or regulation we've never even heard of. We are all guilty in the eyes of today's law. If someone in power chooses to target us, we can all, already, be prosecuted for something. And I'm sure you know that your claims of "good intentions" won't protect you, as the similar claims of politicians protect them. Politicians are above the law. YOU are under it. Crushed under it. When you look at it that way, we have little left to lose by breaking laws creatively and purposefully. Yes, some of us will suffer horrible consequences for our lawbreaking. It is very risky to actively resist unbridled power. It is especially risky to go public with resistance (unless hundreds of thousands publicly join us), and it becomes riskier the closer we get to tyranny. For that reason, among many others, I would never recommend any particular course of action to anyone - and I hope you'll think twice before taking "advice" from anybody about things that could jeopardize your life or well-being. But if we don't resist in the best ways we know how and if a good number of us don't resist loudly and publicly - all of us will suffer the much worse consequences of living under total oppression. And whatever courses of action we choose, we must remember that this legislative "revolution" against We the People will not be stopped by politeness. It will not be stopped by requests. It will not be stopped by "working within a system" governed by those who regard us as nothing but cattle. It will not be stopped by pleading for justice from those who will resort to any degree of trickery or violence to rule us.=20 =20 It will not be stopped unless we are willing to risk our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors to stop it. I think of the words of Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."=20 =20 =20 - ---------- =20 =20 NOTES on the laws listed above:=20 =20 1. (employee database) Welfare Reform Bill, HR 3734; became public law 104-193 on 8/22196; see section 453A.=20 =20 2. (health care crimes) Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, HR 3103; became public law 104-191 on 8/21/96.=20 =20 3. (asset confiscation for citizenship change) Same law as #2; see; sections 511-513.=20 =20 4., 5., and 6. (anti-gun laws) Omnibus Appropriations Act, HR 3610; became public law 104-208 on 9/30/96.=20 =20 7. and 8. (terrorism & secret trials) Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996; S 735; became public law 104-132 on 4/24/96; see all of Title III, specifically sections 302 and 219; also see all of Tide IV, specifically sections 401, 501, 502 and 503.=20 =20 9. (de facto national ID card) Began life in the Immigration Control and Financial Responsibility Act of 1996, sections III, II 8, 119, 127 and 133; was eventually folded into the Omnibus Appropriations Act, HR 3610 (which was itself formerly called the Defense Appropriations Act - but we wouldn't want to confuse anyone, here, would we?); became public law 104-208 on 9/30/96; see sections 656 and 657 among others.=20 =20 10. (health care database) Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, HR 3103; became public law 104-191 on 8/21/96; see sections 262, 263 and 264, among others. The various provisions that make up the full horror of this database are scattered throughout the bill and may take hours to track down; this one is stealth legislation at its utmost sneakiest.=20 =20 And one final, final note: Although I spent aggravating hours verifying the specifics of these bills (a task I swear I will never waste my life on again!), the original list of bills at the top of this article was NOT the result of extensive research. It was simply what came off the top of my head when I thought of Big Brotherish bills from the 104th Congress. For all I know, Congress has passed 10 times more of that sort of thing. In fact, the worst "law" in the list -- #9, the de facto national ID card - -- just came to my attention as I was writing this essay, thanks to the enormous efforts of Jackie - Juntti and Ed Lyon and others, who researched the law. Think of it: Thanks to congressional stealth tactics, we had the long-dreaded national ID card legislation for five months, without a whisper of discussion, before freedom activists began to find out about it. Makes you wonder what else might be lurking out there, doesn't it? And on that cheery note - THE END=20 =20 Copyrighted by Claire Wolfe. Permission to reprint freely granted, provided the article is reprinted in full and that any reprint is accompanied by this copyright statement=20
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-30-=20 =20 =20 =20 <Back to Home Page =20 <Quick Menu=20 =20 <Visit the Button Shop=20 =20 =20 - ---------- adad,0000,0000Interactive Forum =20 Amerika, Amerika =20 =20 =20 <E-mail the Editor =20 =20 =20 Posted by: Jim Robinson < (jimrob@psnw.com) * 03/31/98 05:24:34 EST =20 - ---------- To: Jim Robinson Damn, this is about as frightening as it gets. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Jim. From: JCG= < (jayceegee@bigfoot.com) * 03/31/98 06:22:09 EST =20 - ---------- To: Jim Robinson & EVERYBODY Thank you for this post Jim. It brings some scary truths= to light. Be sure to click on the button [View All Comments] at the end= of the article. The [Add Your Comment] button works too.=20 From: rw4site= < (rw4site@tyler.net ) * 03/31/98 06:42:44 EST =20 - ---------- To: Jim Robinson Jim, I hope you will repost this at least once a week.= Like the article points out, we are all already outlaws to some extent. Now= it becomes just a matter of Degree. From: NDCORUP= < (eNDCORUPtion@aol.com) * 03/31/98 08:08:42 EST =20 - ---------- To: Jim Robinson This is a fine post, JimRob.... it should be brought to= the top of the list DAILY.... if for no other reason than to show how the= sheeple are being fleeced by their "friendly" elected officials.=20 From: Invictus= < (invictus@pcpros.net) * 03/31/98 10:12:36 EST =20 - ---------- < www.FreeRepublic.com =20 <<<<<<<< [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:13:55 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Another Clinton death Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:05:48 -0600 From: Bill Nalty Subject: CAS: Obituary in the News March 31, 1998 5:04amET NBC radio news is reporting that the garage operator and the owner of the 1980 Mercury Marquis, formerly owned by Madison Guaranty S&L employee Henry Floyd, in which found a cashier's check for more than=20 $20,000 payable to Bill Clinton was found in the trunk, was killed=20 in a high speed crash last evening. Nothing on the wires yet. I believe I heard it was the garage owner, not Henry Floyd. No word whether he was trying to ditch a pursuing vehicle.=20 - - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tornado Reveals Whitewater Evidence=20 By Pete Yost=20 Wednesday, November 5, 1997; 5:44 p.m. EST=20 LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- In a bizarre Whitewater discovery, a repair shop owner opened the trunk of a tornado-damaged car and found a cashier's check for more than $20,000 payable to Bill Clinton from his former partner's savings and loan, grand jury witnesses say. The discovery this spring of the 1982 check and thousands of other documents missing for a decade has opened a new line of inquiry by prosecutors into whether Clinton testified accurately about his relationship with James and Susan McDougal and their failed Arkansas S&L, the witnesses said. The president swore under oath last year that he ``never borrowed any money'' from the McDougals' failing Madison Guaranty S&L.=20 Witnesses say markings on the cashier's check, which bears no Clinton endorsement, suggest that the source of the funds was McDougal's S&L, and that the proceeds may have been deposited in one of two Arkansas banks where the Clintons did business. The president's private lawyer scoffed at the discovery on Wednesday. ``Documents found in the trunk of an old and long-abandoned used car may have the authenticity and credibility of a newly discovered and freshly written Elvis autobiography,'' attorney David Kendall said.=20 Declaring that prosecutors are conducting ``an interminable, leak-ridden inquisition,'' Kendall suggested the check may have been used for a 1982 repayment of a loan taken out by James McDougal at another of his banks for the Whitewater land development. ``Neither the president nor Mrs.=20 Clinton had signed for this loan,'' he said. Kendall's statement, however, offered no explanation why a check for such a loan would have been made out to Clinton. The check was projected onto a screen recently inside the courtroom where witnesses have been brought to testify in secret before the grand jury gathering evidence in the Whitewater investigation. Independent counsel Kenneth Starr obtained a six-month extension for that grand jury last week. Deborah Gershman, a spokeswoman for his office, declined to comment Wednesday. The documents were found by a car repair shop operator in the trunk of a 1979 or 1980 Mercury Marquis -- its paint peeled and windows blown out - - -- that was damaged when tornadoes swept across Arkansas last March, according to the garage operator and the car's owner. The papers had been given a decade ago to a Madison S&L employee to be delivered to a warehouse for storage.=20 That employee, Henry Floyd, acknowledged in an interview with The Associated Press he was supposed to deliver the documents in 1988 but went first to have his car repaired. The documents never got delivered because Floyd didn't retrieve the auto following a payment dispute. ``I kind of lost interest in the car and never picked it up,'' Floyd explained. ``I just forgot the Madison documents were in the trunk.''=20 Floyd said the car, which had 55,000 miles on it, had been bought for him by James McDougal's mother and ``I used to drive her around in it on weekends. I just didn't think about the Madison documents.'' The car, documents inside, sat unnoticed in a storage yard until the tornado.=20 ``There was so much in the trunk that the back was weighted down,'' said the garage owner, who would speak only on condition of anonymity. ``There were cashier's checks just lying there. I come to one that has Bill Clinton's name on it; I saw McDougal's name, Jim Guy Tucker's name and I thought this might be something they (prosecutors) are looking for,'' the owner added. Tucker, who succeeded Clinton as Arkansas governor, resigned last year after being convicted of fraud and conspiracy in the Whitewater case.=20 The garage operator said he talked to one of his relatives, who contacted the FBI. The check and other documents found in the car trunk have emerged as a new area of inquiry, say three people familiar with Starr's investigation.=20 None is in the prosecutor's office. At the time the check was written, Clinton was seeking a second term as governor after having been defeated in a 1980 bid for re-election.=20 Floyd said he believes the cashier's check to Clinton was for $27,000, while another person who has seen the check said the amount was ``definitely in the 20s'' and possibly $27,000.=20 According to one individual who has seen the check, the back is stamped for deposit with the names of two Arkansas banks: - - -- Madison Bank & Trust Co. in Kingston, Ark., which was owned by the McDougals and where Hillary Rodham Clinton had a $30,000 Whitewater-related loan in the early 1980s, - - --Union National Bank in Little Rock where the Clintons and McDougals in the late 1970s had a joint $20,000 loan related to Whitewater.=20 In addition to Mrs. Clinton's loan, the loan that Kendall cited as the possible reason for the check also came from Madison Bank and Trust.=20 Floyd said that after the FBI was notified of the documents, ``an investigator from Mr. Starr's office came in, pulled out a subpoena, showed me pictures of my car with the trunk opened and said they'd found some important evidence.'' The prosecutors asked ``whether I was told to destroy evidence and I forgot to get rid of it or whether I was told to hide evidence for anyone,'' Floyd said. ``I told them nobody told me to do anything as far as hiding or destroying evidence.'' =A9 Copyright 1997 The Associated Press =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:01:08 -0600 From: jqp@inxpress.net Subject: CAS: Another Whitewater Witness Gets Zotzed This is the man who found the checks in the tornado-wrecked car. =20 They said it was a car wreck. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D JOHNNY FRANKLIN LAWHON, JR., 29, of Mabelvale, passed away Sunday,=20 March 29, 1998. He was a manager of Johnny's Transmission. He is=20 survived by his parents, Johnny and Glenda Lawhon of Mabelvale; one=20 brother, James Hoyette Lawhon of Mabelvale and his grandmother,=20 Mary Josile Lawhon of Ft. Worth, Texas. Funeral services will be 2 p.m. Thursday, April 2, 1998 at Cornerstone Church of the Nazarene=20 by Huson Funeral Home, 6400 Mabelvale Pike, Little Rock with Rev.=20 Ron Willard officiating. Burial will follow at Redfield City Cemetery.=20 Visitation will be Wednesday, 6 p.m.-8 p.m. at the funeral home. In=20 lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Cornerstone Church of the=20 Nazarene. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: "Bill Nalty" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:18:49 -0600 Subject: McDougal: With Clinton Check Came 'Heat' Arkansas Democrat-Gazette November 7, 1997 McDougal: With Clinton check came 'heat'=20 By JOE STUMPE Whitewater felon James McDougal wouldn't say Thursday why a cashier's check for $27,600 was written from his savings and loan to Bill Clinton, who says he never borrowed money from the institution. McDougal suggested the 15-year-old check's discovery -- in the trunk of a junked car in south Little Rock -- has caused him trouble with his jailers.=20 "Immediately concurrent'' with the check being found, McDougal said, "I started getting a lot of heat" in the Federal Medical Center in Fort Worth, Texas, where he is serving a three-year sentence.=20 "I am a prisoner of the executive branch," said McDougal, who is cooperating with Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr's investigation into President Clinton's business dealings in Arkansas during the 1980s. McDougal did not explain why the administration would want to pressure him.=20 According to McDougal and others, Starr has presented witnesses who testified about the check to the Whitewater grand jury.=20 Clinton swore under oath last year that he "never borrowed any money" from McDougal's Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association. McDougal and his former wife, Susan, were partners with Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton in Whitewater Development Corp.=20 Thursday, Clinton's attorney, David Kendall, quoted from a 1995 Resolution Trust Corp. report in denying any wrongdoing by the president. In 1989, the Resolution Trust Corp. took over Madison Guaranty, which failed at a cost to taxpayers of about $65 million.=20 The Resolution Trust Corp. report found that McDougal borrowed $30,000 from the Madison Bank in Kingston for Whitewater Development Corp. in 1981. McDougal also owned the Kingston bank.=20 The Clintons did not sign the loan agreement.=20 In 1982, the Resolution Trust Corp. report found, the unpaid portion of the loan was retired with a $27,600 payment. The source of the payment was not recorded in Madison Bank records.=20 "If authentic, this alleged check appears simply to represent the payment to Madison Bank of Whitewater Development Company's $30,000 loan obtained by Jim McDougal," Kendall said.=20 Kendall declined to comment on why the check was made out to Clinton.=20 "I can't comment on a document I haven't seen, but the president certainly had nothing to do with this," Kendall said.=20 The Resolution Trust Corp. report also concluded that the loan's retirement "indirectly benefited" the Clintons by reducing Whitewater's debt.=20 Johnny Lawhon, who found the check this spring, refused to talk about it at Johnny's Transmission in south Little Rock.=20 Earlier this year, Lawhon confirmed that he had happened upon Whitewater-related materials, but he declined to elaborate. Lawhon=20 runs the repair shop, which is owned by his retired father.=20 "He [Clinton] is the most powerful man in the world," Lawhon said Thursday.=20 According to one person who saw the check, Lawhon found it among a trunk full of documents in a car that had been left at the shop in a payment dispute about 10 years ago.=20 Lawhon was preparing to have the car, which had been damaged in the March 1 tornadoes, destroyed.=20 "It just looked like a bunch of checks," the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said.=20 Henry Floyd, who as a messenger for Madison Guaranty, told The Associated Press that he was supposed to deliver the documents for=20 storage in 1988 but went to have the car repaired.=20 Floyd never retrieved the car after a payment dispute and forgot=20 about the documents in its trunk.=20 Floyd appeared before the grand jury on Aug. 6 but declined to talk=20 to reporters at the time.=20 The Associated Press reported that an individual who has seen the check says its back is stamped with the names of two Arkansas banks: Madison=20 Bank in Kingston, where Mrs. Clinton also had a $30,000 loan in the=20 early 1980s; and Union National Bank in Little Rock, where the Clintons=20 and McDougals had a joint $20,000 loan related to Whitewater. McDougal=20 had other loans at Union National.=20 There was also at least one check among the documents made out to former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, who was convicted along with McDougal and=20 Susan McDougal last year.=20 Lawhorn turned the documents over to federal investigators.=20 McDougal said he knew that Floyd testified before the grand jury about the check, which he described as being of obvious interest to Starr's office.=20 "Immediately after they found it they were pretty excited," McDougal said.=20 About the same time, McDougal said, prison officials threatened to extend his sentence by a month and cut off media interviews for two=20 months in a dispute over a urine test.=20 - - - -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Information for this article was contributed by Bill Simmons of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.=20 Copyright 1997, Little Rock Newspapers, Inc.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. 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