From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #102 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 102 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:11:41 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: scandal_12.html (fwd) Reuters New Media Tuesday March 31 10:59 AM EST More Testimony as Actress Linked to Clinton WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House aide Nancy Hernreich returned to testify before the grand jury investigating President Clinton on Tuesday as a former Miss America told a newspaper that she had consensual sex with Clinton in 1982. Hernreich, a long-time friend of Clinton who is now director of Oval Office operations, went before the same panel last week, presumably to answer questions about Monica Lewinsky's work history in Washington. Lewinsky, a former White House intern, has denied allegations that she had an 18-month affair with the president, and Clinton has repeatedly denied having a sexual relationship with her. He also has denied pressuring her to lie. This is Hernreich's fourth time before the grand jury convened by independent counsel Kenneth Starr. Another White House staff member, Marsha Scott, was also expected to testify Tuesday. A friend of Clinton's from his days in Arkansas, Scott is now White House personnel chief. Meanwhile, television actress Elizabeth Ward Gracen, whose testimony is sought by lawyers in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, said she had sex with Clinton when he was Arkansas governor but it was consensual, the New York Daily News reported Tuesday. The newspaper quoted Gracen as saying she had come forward to deny allegations by a former friend that Clinton forced her into sex in the back of a limousine in 1982. Gracen, 37, who plays the role of an immortal warrior on the TV series "Highlander," previously denied any sexual liaison with Clinton, the Daily News said. "The lies gain credibility every day that I don't address them," Gracen was quoted as saying in the newspaper. "I had to put a stop to it. It's become a three-ring circus. This is something I don't want to talk about at all. It's no one's business at all." Jones, a former Arkansas state employee, has alleged that Clinton exposed himself to her and asked her for oral sex inside a Little Rock hotel room in 1991, when Clinton was governor. Clinton has denied her accusations. Gracen's former friend Judy Stokes has given a sworn deposition in the Jones case, saying Gracen tearfully told her in the mid-1980s that Clinton forced her into sex in 1982. "That never happened. It's completely false," Gracen told the Daily News. Gracen said she met Clinton at an apartment in Little Rock. They had previously met socially. They were both married and it was the year after Gracen's reign as Miss America. "I was never a government employee, he never acted improperly, he never asked me to lie, he never gave me a job," Gracen said. She said her sexual encounter with Clinton was "a very bad error in judgment" and added, "You think you can get away with these things but they always come back down the road." ^REUTERS@ _________________________________________________________________ Earlier Related Stories * White House Aide Returns to Clinton Grand Jury - Tue Mar 31 10:08 am * Analysts: White House Sex Scandal Taking Toll - Tue Mar 31 6:59 am * Clinton's Lawyer Denies Obstruction Claim - Mon Mar 30 10:55 pm _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Envoy: Mideast Peace Deadlock Reduces Hope Next Story: Public Memorial Service Today in Jonesboro _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:13:00 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Drink dark beer Reuters New Media Monday March 30 7:05 PM EST Purple Grape Juice Good for Hearts - Expert ATLANTA (Reuters) - An aspirin a day may keep the doctor away, but it may do the job better if downed with purple grape juice or a mug of dark beer, a researcher said Monday. John Folts, director of the Coronary Thrombosis Research Laboratory at the University of Wisconsin Medical School, said studies of flavonoids - substances that cause dark colors in some beers, red wines and purple grape juice - suggest those beverages may keep heart-damaging blood clots from forming. "People should take their aspirin with a glass of juice or one or two beers, not eight or 10," Folts told Reuters. He said aspirin is "very good at turning platelets down," making them less sticky so they do not form clots. The effect of aspirin, however, is negated when adrenalin kicks in while exercising or under stress, he said. "The adrenalin overcomes the effects of aspirin," Folts said, "but with flavonoids the adrenalin has no effect so the flavonoids keep on working." The study involved only 10 people who repeated earlier tests on laboratory mice, and Folts said patients on aspirin should not discontinue that treatment. "I do recommend no one stop their aspirin and go to something else, because so far this is unproven. It may be 20 years from now doctors will recommend flavonoids instead of aspirin, but we're not there yet," he said. Folts said flavonoids are found "in dark beer but not light beer, in tea but not in coffee, in purple grape juice but not in lighter grape juices that people give to babies, in red wines but not in white wines." The study, presented to doctors attending an American College of Cardiology meeting in Atlanta, was funded by the Oscar Rennenbohm Foundation, the Nutricia Research Foundation and Welch Foods Inc., one of the leading producers of grape juice. Folts said the Welch money had no bearing on the test results. "I just picked up a can out of my refrigerator at home," he said. "My wife does the shopping and that just happens to be the brand she bought, but it would work the same with any other brand." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:49:12 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Feinstein & Co. at it again (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:12:52 -0600 From: John Wallace Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net To: "'texas-gun-owners@mailing-list.net'" Subject: Feinstein & Co. at it again Posted to texas-gun-owners by John Wallace - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tuesday, March 31, 1998 Feinstein Seeks to Close Loophole in Gun Law Firearms: Legislators cite Jonesboro, Ark., schoolyard shootings in effort to ban high-capacity magazines. By STEVE BERRY, JEFF BRAZIL, Times Staff Writers esponding to concerns arising from the Jonesboro, Ark., killings, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and a group of Democratic and Republican legislators will file a bill today that would ban the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines and plug a major loophole in the federal assault weapons law. The U.S. Senate bill would prohibit the distribution, importation or manufacture of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) will file a companion bill in the House. Such a law would outlaw the sale of the type of magazine used in last week's shootings in Arkansas, where four girls and a teacher died in a schoolyard ambush, Feinstein said Monday. Feinstein and DeGette said local and state authorities in Arkansas have confirmed that most of the 24 bullets allegedly fired by two boys came from a 15-round magazine and a .30-caliber firearm based on the M-1 carbine. Feinstein said the two suspects--ages 11 and 13--also had two 30-round magazines, but did not use them. "The tragic shooting in Jonesboro last week is a horrifying example of why high-capacity ammunition clips were designed for military combat, not for recognized sport," Feinstein said. DeGette agreed, adding: "No one thinks this would have prevented Jonesboro . . . but it will stop people who are angry or emotionally disturbed from legally buying them." The bills are sure to face strong opposition from the gun lobby. "Industrywide, we are not going to sit still for such a bill," said Jack Adkins, a spokesman for the American Shooting Sports Council in Atlanta. If passed, proponents say, the legislation would close one of the biggest loopholes in the 1994 federal assault weapons law. That landmark legislation, which Feinstein wrote, restricted possession of assault weapons, specifically those that accept a detachable ammunition magazine and have at least two military features such as a pistol grip or bayonet mount. One key provision banned manufacture and distribution of ammunition magazines that carry more than 10 rounds and were manufactured after September 1994. But the legislation did not apply to magazines made before that date or to foreign-made magazines. In a series of stories last fall, The Times reported that manufacturers stockpiled millions of high-capacity magazines just before the law went into effect. At the same time, importers continued bringing thousands more into the country--including at least 160,000 between June 1996 and April 1997. As a result, gun makers have continued making thousands of weapons that are similar to illegal assault guns and can accept high-capacity magazines that were made before the 1994. * * * The new bill would amend the existing law to ban further manufacture or importation of the magazines. People could keep what they already own, but owners would be forbidden to sell them or give them away. DeGette said such a law might have prevented the death of a Denver police officer who was ambushed last year by a group of skinheads using a Chinese-made SKS assault rifle equipped with an American-made 30-round magazine. "He was shot 15 times," she said. Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Assn., denounced Feinstein's timing. "This should be a time for mourning and grieving, and not a time to make political hay out of this tragedy," he said. Calling the bill unenforceable, LaPierre said: "She might as well ban sheet metal and springs because that's all a magazine is made of. "What would make a bigger impact on problems like what happened in Jonesboro is for Sen. Feinstein to talk to the entertainment industry in her backyard about stopping the showing of gratuitous violence without consequences. "That's what people in stores, gas stations and shopping malls all over the country are saying about Jonesboro," he said. "No one has said 'Gee, we need another magazine ban.' " The co-sponsors of the bill include Democratic Sens. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, Robert Toricelli and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, and Richard Durbin of Illinois. In the House, co-sponsors include Democrats Joseph Kennedy of Massachusetts, Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island, Ed Towns of New York, Bill Pascrell Jr. of New Jersey and Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and Republicans Connie Morella of Maryland and Christopher Shays of Connecticut. Search the archives of the Los Angeles Times for similar stories. You will not be charged to look for stories, only to retrieve one. Copyright Los Angeles Times - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism (fwd) On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Curtis wrote: > "Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism" is > a good title. This is a classic debate between economic and > libertarian conservatives and cultural conservatives. I think it is a misleading title, and this is why. "Conservatism" is a political creed which has as its object the maintenance of the status quo, whatever that status quo might be. It is naturally in opposition to "liberalism" which is a creed which has as its object the improvement of the human condition. (Note that I refer to "classical liberalism", not contemporary "Liberalism" which merely co-opts the idea for nefarious purposes.) Improvement necessarily implies change. Conservatism opposes change while liberalism promotes change. Thus we can speak of "conservatives" in the Kremlin, in Peking, and "Bob Dole" style "conservatives" and such a refernce is consistent, it makes sense. All these "conservatives" strive to maintain their particular brand of status quo. By its nature, conservatism never knows when it is at a "crossroads" because it is irrelevant to it. The nature of conservatism is reactionary. It reacts to any change by pulling in the opposite direction (or at least what it THINKS is the opposite direction). It doesn't recognize a crossroads because it is going to oppose the movement in any direction regardless, although it has no choice in the direction. The choice of direction is determined by the forces which are trying to change the status quo. Conservatism is to the theory of politics what Drag is to the theory of flight. Thus we can say, "Conservatism is at the Crossroads" and be correct, but so what? The framer of this title wishes the reader to draw an inference that "conservatism" is at a decision making point in time. This is quite impossible, because conservatism doesn't "decide", it reacts to the decision of others. Whichever direction change goes, it trails the heelmarks of conservatism in the road behind it. "Unbridled Capitalism" has never existed, does not exist now, anywhere, and I contend it never will exist. In the first place, laissez-faire capitalism contains by its very nature its own bridle: the free market. In the second place, "capitalism" as currently practiced is simply the Welfare State. Corporate Welfare, Business Welfare, Labor Welfare, Privileged Elite welfare, whatever. It all boils down to moving wealth from the "Outs" to the "Ins", where "Ins" refers to those in control of the mechanism of State coercion, and "Outs" refers to those who are not in control of it. The only sense in which which the author of that piece intends the economic system of capitalism to be understood is pejorative, as evil incarnate. It uses bias words in a biased way, fully intending to associate capitalism with evil. "Evil" is a moral concept, not an economic one. Thus, a shift has been made: "unbridled capitalism" is to be considered in the context of a "moral" issue, not an economic issue. I contend that an economic practice is evil when it results in the uncompensated appropriation of the wealth of others. Whether it is styled as "captalism", "socialism", "fascism", or "communism", or "progressivism", or "welfare statism" makes no difference. The practical means by which this practice is implemented is by the mechanism of State coercion. This is why it is impossible to distinguish between "Liberals" and Conservatives" in Washington, D.C. Both the "Ins" and the "Outs" are simply loosely aligned groups trying to get their hands on the mechnism of State coercion so they can use it to their advantage. What one of the players can be labelled at any particular time depends on whether they want to maintain the status quo, or change the status quo. This title does indeed convey a lot of information. It indicates that it was probably chosen by a mind which lives in a world where words mean exactly what they want them to mean, no more, no less, at any given point in time, and where anything can be made to mean anything, depending upon the point in time chosen, and the pre-ordained goal they want to reach. Any resemblance to a lawyer is not coincidental. In this case, the title indicates that the tract to follow will be, without a doubt, collectivist propaganda. And indeed it was. I think a more lucid definition of the "classic debate" is between the desirability of a free-market economy versus the desirability of a State controlled economy. And, FWIW, a "Conservative Libertarian" at this point in time is an oxymoron, because the Libertarian philosophy necessarily desires change from the status quo. Perhaps, in the distant future, when the societies of mankind have achieved the Libertarian social ideal and it has become the status quo, it would be reasonable to refer to a "Conservative Libertarian", but not now. No way. - ----- Harry Barnett - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism (fwd) Harry, Great post, I agree with your basic premise that the language of the title is distorting, I think this is tied in with some basic intentional misunderstanding of the reasoning and motives of some people who fall under the rubric "conservative". I'd like to respond with my personal sketch of the various subspecies of the American political scene. don't have the time this evening. ciao, jcurtis P.S. we don't have anything near "unbridled capitalism", we do have some widely different ideologies under the same tent. I find some of the verbal distinctions made by the Libertarians to be very useful in cutting through the clutter. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Conservatism Is at Crossroads Due to Unbridled Capitalism (fwd) On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Curtis wrote: > I think you should be focused on the taxes you're paying, as > they are the simplest, most honest measure of how much government > is oppressing you. Here is an excerpt which relates to this, as well as another thread. It kind of puts things in the "tax" context mentioned. This is an excerpt from an "ezine" which is destributed by the South African Embassy. The entire 'ezine', called the "Daily News Bulletin" consists of daily extractions and condensations of articles in various SA newspapers. X> 1b. CLINTON UNVEILS FIVE-POINT AFRICA PLAN: BUSINESS REPORT, 98O330, X> P.1 - Bill Clinton, the US president, has announced an $800m five-point X> plan to improve bilateral trade and investment with Africa. He also X> promised to raise US aid to its former levels and said he would work X> with Congress to write off $1,6bn in African debt. He said he had X> already asked for an additional $30m for technical assistance and X> support programmes. Clinton said US trade with Africa was worth 20% X> more than that of the entire former USSR and that it supported 100 000 X> jobs in America. He said the average rate of return on investments in X> Africa was 30%. Here is your Fuhrer, giving away $2.4 BILLIONs of your tax money. That means that Slick is indenturing every family of four in the U.S. to the tune of nearly $4000. By what authority given him by the Constitution does he do that? But so what? It's only money. Right? I am REALLY interested in what the "100,000 jobs in America" are. Anybody wanta bet they are public payroll bureaucrats also funded by tax dollars? 30% rate of return? Ludicrous on its face, unless the "capitalist" who is getting that rate of return is crossing the palms of the tin-pot terrorist dictators with sufficent bribes to maintain the mechanism of State coercion, as practiced in African states, in his hip-pocket. "Creation and exchange of wealth" is not in the economic vocabulary of any African nation, AFAIK. What does government do for you? Whatever it can get away with. OBTW, Mandela told Slick to go pack sand, because the bribe had to come no strings attached. Clearly, he doesn't understand the Anglo-American concept of a "bribe". A bribe ALWAYS has strings attached. - ----- Harry Barnett - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:29:48 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Moral Society (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:35:26 -0600 From: Lyle Yarnell To: yarnell@se28.dseg.ti.com Subject: Moral Society My earlier mailing to you called "PARENTAL EXAMPLE CALLED KEY TO RAISING MORAL KIDS" was nice in the secular sense. The writer was careful to avoid the "G-word" or, heaven forbid, the dreaded "J-word". This article is not that shy. Likewise, it is that much more on target. - -Lyle - ----- Begin Included Message ----- JONESBORO 30 March 1998 Copyright 1998, Rod D. Martin "Vanguard of the Revolution" http://members.aol.com/RodDMartin/vanguard.htm If you're looking for comfort, don't read this column. In fact, if you're looking for standard political commentary of any sort, you won't find it here. This essay goes beyond that. It cuts to the truth. Some readers will be offended. You have been warned. First, the reason why. The shock and horror we all feel is perfectly normal -- as Governor Huckabee rightly said, may the day never come when we are not shocked by such as this -- but in reality, it is foolishness. As the killings in Pine Bluff the very same week and the ceaseless murders in our cities insistently prove, there is a certain percentage of the population who simply have no qualms about -- even enjoy -- killing. And therein lies the problem. Post-Christian America revolves around precisely one of the inalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence: the pursuit of happiness. Some might attribute this to John Stuart Mill's Utilitarianism, or even to Enlightenment Humanism, but in fact it is a far older phenomenon. It's roots are in the Garden, at the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. There, Eve made a choice: a choice not merely to rebel against the true and only God, but a choice also to set herself up as her own god. It has been thus ever since: man is forever in rebellion, forever seeking his own self-interest. Self-interest, of course, is not always bad, and in fact when disciplined and constrained by God's law can be excellent. But the evolutionists do not lie when they say that man apart from God is an animal. By his nature he seeks only what gratifies himself all the day long. And what usually gratifies him most is that which will deviate most from any authority placed over him. When the deviation becomes too great, the humanist claims that the deviant is insane: this is the legacy of Freud, and necessary if the humanist is to confine dangerous people while still pretending there is no absolute right or wrong. But the depraved man is not insane; he is merely normal. He does whatever he wants, exactly like a peace-loving flower child. He, like every rebel, recognizes no legitimate authority above himself, so who may say what he should want? The Founders of the nation understood this all too well, and wrote about it ceaselessly. John Adams wrote: "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." His generation agreed. About the same time, the Duke of Wellington wrote what Jonesboro proved: "Educate men without religion, and you make them but clever devils." Our age worships ceaselessly at the idol of humanist, "values-neutral" education in the false and unrealizable hope that "if people just know more," somehow, some way they will become "more enlightened." Liberalism has made the schools its state religion, and their new faith continues to fail them for precisely the reason they worship it: they seek license to repudiate God -- to forever do each and every one what is right in their own eyes -- and then marvel when some wish to do things the group disapproves. The Founders understood what public policy could do to restrain evil. Though they rebelled against tyranny, they also believed in the necessity of the state. Their line: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary." They saw perfectly well that the swift, sure execution of fair and impartial justice would restrain evil, and they were right: until our system began to fly apart in the 1960s, Jonesboros were simply inconceivable. But the Founders also understood that the greatest bastion of public order was not law, but rather the ongoing maintenance of certain behaviors as "socially unacceptable." Decades of degradation of the family and the individual through easy divorce, easy drugs, easy sex, and above all easy abortion produced Jonesboro. Why should anyone respect post-born life when 37 million preborn lives have been sluffed off as so much medical waste? Where will children learn the values we call "decency" if not in a functioning home? A civilization has all but dissolved in the last thirty years. As a result, we have met the barbarians, and they are us. When America returns to Rudyard Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings" -- and more to the point, when America submits to the standards required by Jesus Christ -- there will be peace. But apart from the Prince of Peace, there is no peace. As the prophets of Baal discovered on Carmel, there is only destruction for the rebel. If thirty years of constantly eroding schools and continually escalating violence haven't shown us that, there is little more hope for the Republic. Copyright: Rod D. Martin, 30 March 1998 - - --------------------------------------------------------------- To receive Vanguard of the Revolution via email send a note to RodColumn@aol.com with the subject heading: subscribe vanguard your name WWW: http://members.aol.com/roddmartin/vanguard.htm For Syndication Information please contact: Email: RodDMartin@aol.com FAX: (870) 246-4727 Smail: Rod D. Martin Vanguard of the Revolution P. O. Box 55947 Little Rock, AR 72215-5947 - - --------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- End Included Message ----- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:38:17 -0700 From: Boyd Kneeland Subject: Re: Drink dark beer > Reuters New Media > > Monday March 30 7:05 PM EST > >Purple Grape Juice Good for Hearts - Expert > > > > ATLANTA (Reuters) - An aspirin a day may keep the doctor away, but it > may do the job better if downed with purple grape juice or a mug of > dark beer, a researcher said Monday. I want to be on the record as emphatically agreeing with Paul here ; ) Normally, I wouldn't want to induce the sort of shock this may have, but I know he's probably already following this good advice and hence immune to the cardio pulmonary effects my agreement may have on him : ) My favorite homebrew jumping off point: www.westfork.com/homebrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:15:32 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: (fwd) Another Gun Poll.] (fwd) On Mar 31, larry ball wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: chasm@insync.net (schuetzen) To: PRN@airgunhq.com Subject: (fwd) Another Gun Poll. Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:48:53 -0600 Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Posted to texas-gun-owners by chasm@insync.net (schuetzen) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:26:39 -0600, "James D. Nicholson" wrote: The Ft. Worth Star Telegram is polling this time. Only 418 votes cast so far, but 81% are against further gun control in the wake of the Arkansas shootings. So far we have swamped the ABC, BBC, and USA Today polls. If you have a minute to vote, the URL is: http://www.startext.net/starvote-cgi/starvote today - 3/31 is about curtailing violence in movies, etc as of 3/31 0955cst Vote Totals: Yes=20 (77 %) No=4 (15 %) Not Sure= 2 (8 %) take a minute and vote. chas Charles L Hamilton, chasm@insync.net Houston, TX - -------------------------------------------------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:19:14 -0800 From: Liberty or Death Subject: Re: Drink dark beer >> Reuters New Media >> >> Monday March 30 7:05 PM EST >> >>Purple Grape Juice Good for Hearts - Expert >> >> >> >> ATLANTA (Reuters) - An aspirin a day may keep the doctor away, but it >> may do the job better if downed with purple grape juice or a mug of >> dark beer, a researcher said Monday. > >I want to be on the record as emphatically agreeing with Paul here ; ) >Normally, I wouldn't want to induce the sort of shock this may have, but I >know he's probably already following this good advice and hence immune to >the cardio pulmonary effects my agreement may have on him : ) > >My favorite homebrew jumping off point: >www.westfork.com/homebrew I've long said "I don't trust a beer I can see through." - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Idaho Observer http://www.proliberty.com/observer - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: PARENTAL EXAMPLE CALLED KEY TO RAISING MORAL KIDS (fwd) - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Friday, January 24, 1997 - ----------------------------------------------------------- PARENTAL EXAMPLE CALLED KEY TO RAISING MORAL KIDS =20 BY LISA FAYE KAPLAN =20 GANNETT NEWS SERVICE One hundred years ago, before children were considered "gifted" and "national treasures," parents generally saw their children as little heathens who must be taught right from wrong, justice, kindness, patriotism and good manners. Children, history tells us, were called good or bad; not troubled or conflicted. Developing a moral code, rather than becoming self-aware, was society's prime goal for its young. Times have changed, and not universally for the better, say authors who have produced a spate of books and television programs designed to teach children how to behave, and to teach parents how to instill morality and goodness in their kids. At one time, society took for granted its responsibility to help children develop a conscience, said Robert Coles, author of The Moral Intelligence of Children (Random House; $21). "Now we notice [conscience] is less and less a force in the mental life of our children," Coles said. "Society has stressed cognitive competence of a certain kind. Then we emphasized that elusive quality called mental health, psychological expressiveness, knowledge of one's emotional life. "What are we going to do with all this awareness and competence?" Coles asked. "And for what moral purpose? I think that has not been stressed as much in many homes." Etiquette doyenne Letitia Baldrige takes off her white gloves when she assesses the moral and ethical direction of society. "Our society has been unraveling at the seams," said the author of Letitia Baldrige's More Than Manners: Raising Today's Kids to Have Kind Manners and Good Hearts (Scribner; $23). "I think it started in 1969, with the youth rebellion, the women's rebellion, divorce, free love. It was the great era of self-obsession. I, I; me, me is all that counts." The result? Road Rambos who terrorize other drivers, scofflaws who abandon their children and other responsibilities, ballplayers who spit in umpires' faces. "The most serious problems in the country are people's indifference to standards," said William J. Bennett, former U.S. secretary of education who wrote The Book of Virtues (Simon and Schuster; $30), a compilation of folklore, Bible stories, fables, Greek mythology and literature intended to teach children values. "What you're seeing now is the [social] immune system starting to kick in and react to this virus and say, `We've got to do something,' " Bennett said. Values must be taught in the home, experts say. And today's challenge is to teach parents how to teach morality to children. Coles teaches by example. In The Moral Intelligence of Children, he presents personal anecdotes from his private and professional life -- he is also a psychiatrist and teacher -- that examine good and bad children, and how they became that way. "I told stories rather than come up with lists of virtues," he said. "Let the particular reader fit that story into his or her life. That's the power of narrative." He proposes that children, even infants, have the capacity to learn moral behavior. Even adults, in the process of teaching children, continue to hone their moral code. He calls it "the mutuality of moral guidance." "That is what our children can offer us, and what we can offer them; a chance to learn from them, even as we try to teach them," he writes. Baldrige's book translates morality into behavior dos and don'ts. For instance, in her chapter on "Movie Manners to Teach Your Children," she writes: "Once the lights go down and the screen is lit, it's the signal to keep quiet, not just lower your voices, but keep totally quiet. . . . Think of the other people pres-ent. It should be your mantra in a public place. . . . Don't drape your legs over the seats in front of you, even if the seats are invitingly empty. What you are saying to the world is, `I don't care about anyone else in this place, just me.' " Once, these rules of conduct were routinely imparted by several generations of adults who lived together and taught children correct ways to behave. "When I was raised, we had grandparents living with us," said Baldrige, who grew up in Nebraska during the Great Depression. "We had three generations at the dinner table. That doesn't exist [now]. . . . We need the family desperately." Family is the most persuasive and powerful teacher of morality, Bennett agreed. "If you want children to take morality seriously," he said, "there is no book, cartoon series, lecture or sermon that will substitute for the power of example." ------------------------------------------------------------ =A9 Copyright 1996, The Salt Lake Tribune - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:46:45 -0500 From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: Taxes: Check it out... >On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Curtis wrote: > >> I think you should be focused on the taxes you're paying, as >> they are the simplest, most honest measure of how much government >> is oppressing you. > >Here is an excerpt which relates to this, as well as another thread. >It kind of puts things in the "tax" context mentioned. Speaking of taxes: I think everyone should get Quicken or some other form of computer accounting program for personal use. It automatically does your calculations - and doesn't forget a damned thing. We all whine about the extra dollars that come out of our 1040 and don't say a thing about the dollars that they're getting other ways. Here are examples: 7% sales tax (City of Phila. residence tax 1%, State of PA 6%) State and local tax on electric service State and local tax on gas service Federal, State and local tax on cable service Federal, State and local tax on phone service Emergency Act (9-1-1) telephone fee ($1.00 per phone line, per month) Federal, State and local tax on cellular phone service (it's actually LOWER than the taxes on regular phone service because cell phones are so recent) Federal, State and local tax on pager service Alcohol tax Firearms tax Ammunition tax These are just the taxes that I'm stuck paying that infuriate me. Since I don't own a car, I'm afraid to know what kind of taxes have been imposed for recycling for tires, oil, coolant, power steering fluid, brake fluid, windshield washer fluid, transmission fluid, gas tax(es), tolls, whatever. Quicken will tally up all these taxes and show you what you *really* pay. Of course, it's tons of data entry, but it's probably the only way you'll find to get a somewhat accurate number of the taxes you pay. Good luck - and do it on an empty stomach. Rachel *************************************************************************** * Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit * * patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit * * microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of * * competition. Rachel.D@Drexel.edu * *************************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:26:12 -0700 From: Boyd Kneeland Subject: kclp: TNT weighs in on gun-carry bill If you reply, please be careful of cross posted addresses. The Tacoma news Tribune is at www.tribnet.com. -Boyd CLAW pres., WAC photographer >To: kclp@ix.netcom.com (kclp Mailing List) >From: malkin1@ix.netcom.com >Subject: kclp: TNT weighs in on gun-carry bill >Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:59:53 -0800 >Reply-To: kclp@ix.netcom.com >Sender: kclp@ix.netcom.com > >Loose gun-carry bill deserves Locke's veto >Tacoma News Tribune >April 1, 1998 > >The 1998 Legislature couldn't be bothered to pass a law requiring >that firearms be kept safely out of the reach of children. > >But it did pass a measure - House Bill 1408 - that would recognize >concealed weapons permits issued by other states. This would let >visitors to Washington carry loaded guns hidden on their persons >without acquiring a permit issued locally. > >Something here doesn't add up. The Washington Legislature presumably >exists to legislate in the interest of Washingtonians. But it is hard >to discern any state interest in HB 1408. A measure that honored gun >permits issued by jurisdictions with laws as stringent as >Washington's would probably be harmless enough. But HB 1408, which >was heavily promoted by the gun lobby, actually seeks to honor >permits issued under rules far more lax than our own. > >Washington, for example, performs an extensive background check on >all who apply for a concealed weapons license. Violent criminals and >the mentally disturbed are screened out. Yet HB 1408 does not require >that out-of-state visitors meet the same standard. King County >Sheriff David Reichert points out that the measure would recognize >permits issued by Montana, Delaware, Georgia and New Hampshire, >despite the fact that those states do not check for criminal records >or psychiatric disorders. > >Reichert and other prominent law-enforcement officers have asked Gov. >Gary Locke to veto the bill. William Hanson, president of the >Washington State Patrol Troopers Association, fears HB 1408 would >make it harder for police to determine whether the drivers they stop >might be armed. Pierce County Prosecutor John Ladenburg says the >bill's wording would make it much harder to convict those who violate >Washington's concealed weapons regulations. > >Supporters of the measure say these criticisms are overstated. But >even if that were true, what's in this bill for Washingtonians? Since >when did we owe this favor to pistol-packing Montanans, Rhode >Islanders, West Virginians, etc.? Locke would be well-advised to kill >HB 1408 and any similar measure in the future - at least until the >Legislature demonstrates as much concern for the safety of Washington >children as it has for the privileges of out-of-state gun owners. > > > > > >April 01, 1998 > - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #102 *************************