From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #116 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, April 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 116 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:34:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Waco, Washington Post (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reuters Monday, April 20, 1998; Page A04 WACO, Tex., April 19=97Bells rang in Oklahoma City and Waco today to mark the anniversaries of two different, but intertwined tragedies.=20 In Oklahoma City, 400 people shook small brass bells to break 168 seconds of silence, one second for each person killed when a massive truck bomb blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995. In Waco, a replica of the Liberty Bell was rung after the reading of the names of the 80 or so people who died on April 19, 1993, when the Branch Davidian compound went up in flames during an FBI raid.=20 The similarities stopped at bells. Speakers in Oklahoma City lashed out at enemies of the government, while in Waco, they said the government was the enemy.=20 Actor Gerald McRaney told the Oklahoma City mourners who gathered at the bomb site that former Army buddies Timothy J. McVeigh and Terry L.=20 Nichols plotted and pulled off the bombing in an unsuccessful attempt to divide the nation.=20 "We can say to that enemy, 'We will meet your cowardice with courage, we will counter your evil with good, we will resist your terror with faith, we will defeat your hatred with love and we will see justice done,' " said McRaney, who was in town for the filming of his CBS television series, "The Promised Land." Prosecutors said McVeigh and Nichols, both convicted in the bombing, acted because of their anger at the government's actions at the Branch Davidian compound near Waco. McVeigh was sentenced to death. Nichols has not yet been sentenced.=20 President Clinton, who is in Chile, said in a statement that the Oklahoma City bombing was "worst act of terrorism in our country's history. Today, once again our thoughts are with the families of the 168 people whose lives were tragically lost."=20 The Branch Davidians, a religious cult led by David Koresh, died after a 51-day siege by government agents who, in pursuit of a weapons cache, first tried to storm the compound on Feb. 28, 1993, then again on April 19. The latter raid touched off the fatal fire.=20 Former attorney general Ramsey Clark, speaking to about 200 people at the charred ruins of the Koresh compound, called the government action "a violent military assault on a church." "It is essential to all of us that this sacred ground be consecrated for all humanity to know what happened here," Clark said.=20 Clark spoke from the porch of a small cottage housing a new museum put up by Waco survivor Clive Doyle. Inside were depictions of the event, photographs of the dead and artifacts such as charred spoons from inside the compound.=20 "I love [this museum] as a symbol of the day that must not be too far distant when a cathedra rises on that [nearby] hill, when it will be the god-given right of every human being to pray and perform her religion as she believes," Clark said.=20 His words were met with cheers, in contrast to the somber mood in Oklahoma City where those attending the downtown service wept and prayed and reached their hands toward the heavens while the names of the 168 bombing victims were read.=20 For Janney Coverdale, whose two grandsons died in the bombing, three years of mourning were becoming too much to endure.=20 "This might be my last one [anniversary service]. I can't stand too many more of these mass funerals. And that's what it's like, having a mass funeral," she said.=20 =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 12:19:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dummies (fwd) On Apr 20, Teresa wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Can you believe there are people out there this dumb! Kind of scary! ---------- Further proof that they really are everywhere!! Will the Real Dummy Please Stand Up?! AT&T fired President John Walter after nine months, saying he lacked "intellectual leadership". He received a $26 million severance package. Perhaps it's not Walter who's lacking intelligence... ...With a Little Help from Our Friends! Police in Oakland, California spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them, shouting pleas to come out and give himself up... And What Was Plan B? An Illinois man pretending to have a gun kidnapped a motorist and forced him to drive to two different automated teller machines. The kidnapper then proceeded to withdraw money from his own bank accounts... ...And These Nitwits Are Teaching Our Children?!! A 9-year-old boy in Manassas, Virginia received a one-day suspension under his elementary school's drug policy last week - for Certs! Joey Hoeffer allegedly told a classmate that the mints would make him "jump higher." And a student in Belle, West Virginia was suspended for three days for giving a classmate a cough drop. School principal Forest Mann reiterated the school's "zero-tolerance" policy...not to be confused with the "zero-intelligence" policy... Some Days, It Just Doesn't Pay to Gnaw Through the Straps... Fire investigators on Maui have determined the cause of a blaze that destroyed a $127,000 home last month - a short in the homeowner's newly installed fire prevention alarm system. "This is even worse than last year," said the distraught homeowner, "when someone broke in and stole my new security system..." The Getaway... A man walked in to a Topeka, Kansas Kwik Shop, and asked for all the money in the cash drawer. Apparently, the take was too small, so he tied up the store clerk and worked the counter himself for three hours until police showed up and grabbed him. Do-It-Yourself Brain Surgery?! In Alabama, an unidentified man in his late twenties walked into a police station with a 9-inch wire protruding from his forehead and calmly asked officers to give him an X-ray to help him find his brain, which he claimed had been stolen. Police were shocked to learn that the man had drilled a 6-inch deep hole in his skull with a Black & Decker power drill and had stuck the wire in to try and find the missing brain. Have I Got a Deal for You! More than 600 people in Italy wanted to ride in a spaceship badly enough to pay $10,000 a piece for the first tourist flight to Mars. According to the Italian police, the would-be space travelers were told to spend their "next vacation on Mars, amid the splendors of ruined temples and painted deserts. Ride a Martian camel from oasis to oasis and enjoy the incredible Martian sunsets. Explore mysterious canals and marvel at the views. Trips to the moon also available." Authorities believe that the con men running this scam made off with over six million dollars... Did I Say That?! Police in Los Angeles had good luck with a robbery suspect who just couldn't control himself during a lineup. When detectives asked each man in the lineup to repeat the words, "Give me all your money or I'll shoot," the man shouted, "That's not what I said!" Ouch, That Smarts! A bank robber in Virginia Beach got a nasty surprise when a dye pack designed to mark stolen money exploded in his Fruit-of-the-Looms. The robber apparently stuffed the loot down the front of his pants as he was running out the door."He was seen hopping and jumping around," said police spokesman Mike Carey, "with an explosion taking place inside his pants." Police have the man's charred trousers in custody... Are We Not Communicating? A man spoke frantically into the phone: "My wife is pregnant and her contractions are only two minutes apart!" "Is this her first child?" the doctor asked. "No, you idiot!" the man shouted. "This is her husband!" Not the Sharpest Knife in the Drawer! In Modesto, CA, Steven Richard King was arrested for trying to hold up a Bank of America branch without a weapon. King used a thumb and a finger to simulate a gun, but unfortunately, he failed to keep his hand in his pocket. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 13:22:56 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Now that's ---Ugly (fwd) On Apr 20, Teresa wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Sleeping Beauty, Tom Thumb and Quasimodo were having a terrible fight. > >"I am the most beautiful person in the world," proclaimed Sleeping Beauty. > >"No, you're not," answered Quasimodo and Tom Thumb. > >"I am the smallest person in the world," shouted Tom Thumb. > >"No, you're not," said Sleeping Beauty and Quasimodo." > >"I am the ugliest person in the world," announced Quasimodo. > >"No, you aren't," replied Tom Thumb and Sleeping Beauty. Well, they >decided that if the three were to get along, they needed a mediator, >and decided that Merlin, clearly the smartest person in the world, >would be ideal. Merlin agreed and summoned them all to his palace, >where he announced he would meet with them one at a time. Sleeping >Beauty went in first and not a minute later came out beaming. > >"I am the most beautiful person in the world. Merlin says so." > >In went Tom Thumb and out he came as quickly as had Sleeping Beauty. > >"I am the smallest person in the world. Merlin agrees." > >In goes Quasimodo and he stays a half hour, an hour, an hour and a half. > >Finally, he emerges distraught, muttering,... "Who is Janet Reno?" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:06:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: More on Waco, the story by "Pat" (fwd) 4-21-97 You know the USA is full of people like us. I was at the same house party Saturday as my earlier story. There was a real estate agent named "Pat" my wife and her office said I had to meet. It turned out Pat had listened to Chuck Harders "for the People" and Ron Englemans talk shows here in Dallas. She started back in 1992 and knew all about the governments abuses and their support of gun control and other anti-freedom laws. A month after the death of the Branch Dividians Pat worked a booth at a charity golf tournament down in Waco. Up walked 2 Waco sheriff deputies. She asked them what they thought about the Branch Davidian thing? The big guy said well, we had to stop him. Pat said you mean you guys had to kill 80 people to stop David? They said no that was the Fed guys. Pat said oh, so in America you don't get a trial by jury anymore?. They got mad and left. But, an hour later they came back. Pat said did you guys take an oath or something for office? They said well yes, to protect and defend the constitution of the United States. Pat said can you tell me what the 8th amendment is? They said well, no. Pat said can you tell me what the 6th amendment is? They said well, no. Pat said then how the hell can you defend my rights if you don't even know what it says? They walked away with their their faces lowered in shame. An hour later they came back again. They said she was making them think. Pat said did you have to raid the place or were you boys to chicken to arrest David? The big guy said no, David played in a band every Saturday night in town we could have arrested him anytime we wanted to. Pat said did you know that the Feds had no jurisdiction and you guys are the highest legal authority in the county? She said you could have stopped the Feds at anytime. The big guy said do you remember when David kept asking them to send in officer "so and so" to talk with him? That was me, I was one of David's friends. So even an average American Woman real estate agent knows the Constitution and about the terrible abuses by our government. For me this proves there is still hope. Paul Watson, Dallas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 11:16:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: 1st Amendment in Danger, NOW. (fwd) On Apr 21, Teresa wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Currently circulating the House is a dangerous "discharge petition" led >by Scotty Baesler, KY. This discharge petition, if signed by 218 >Members, would circumvent House leadership and force the House to >consider campaign finance "reform" legislation that seriously threatens >Christian Coalition's/Pro-Lifer's/Pro-Gun's etc. free speech Constitutional rights. > >Attached is a letter sent to the House by Christian Coalition opposing >the discharge petition and the legislation that would follow if the >petition passes. Also, attached is an important target list of House >Members. To avoid this threatening campaign finance legislation, it is >VERY important that this discharge petition NOT gather the 218 >signatures. > >PROTECT FIRST AMENDMENT FREE SPEECH RIGHTS -- >OPPOSE THE BAESLER "DISCHARGE PETITION" > >April 17, 1998 > >Dear Representative: > > Currently circulating in the House of Representatives is a "discharge >petition" led by Rep. Scotty Baesler which, if signed by 218 Members, >would force the House to vote on speech-restrictive campaign finance >"reform" bills. Christian Coalition vigorously opposes any legislation >that seeks to restrict our Constitutionally protected right to free >speech. Therefore, we urge you to oppose this discharge petition. > > Efforts have been mounting to place unconstitutional regulations on >groups, such as Christian Coalition, which represent millions of people >who seek to be informed and educated about issues important to them. >Regardless of these outside pressures, Christian Coalition will remain >dedicated to serving people of faith by informing and encouraging them >to be involved in the democratic process. Not only is this our >Constitutionally protected right, but it is also healthy for, and vital >to, the success of our political system. Members of Congress should not >be working to stifle American political discourse through >speech-restrictive campaign finance "reform" legislation. > > If this discharge petition gathers the 218 signatures necessary, it >would force the House to consider speech-restriction legislation such as >the Shays-Meehan bill (H.R. 3526). This egregious bill, equivalent to >the September 1997 version of the Senate's McCain-Feingold bill, would >implement an outright ban on organizations, such as Christian Coalition, >from sponsoring broadcast communications that even mention the name of a >member of Congress or other "candidate" 60 days before a primary or >general election. At any time of the year, educational campaigns which >are viewed by the Federal Elections Commission to be "of value" to a >particular candidate could be considered an illegal campaign >contribution -- even if no "candidate" is mentioned. These forms of >regulations will not withstand constitutional challenge as the Supreme >Court has correctly held only "express advocacy" may be subjected to >government regulation (Buckley v. Valeo, 1976). > > It is because of Christian Coalition's belief in First Amendment free >speech rights and our efforts to increase every American's involvement >in the democratic process that we oppose all efforts to enact >speech-restrictive campaign finance "reform" legislation. We urge you >to stand firm and oppose the Baesler discharge petition. > >Sincerely, > >Christian Coalition > > >The following targets have not yet signed the Baesler discharge >petition. They MUST be contacted and urged to NOT sign. > >**PLEASE URGE THE FOLLOWING REPRESENTATIVES TO NOT SIGN THE CAMPAIGN >FINANCE "REFORM" DISCHARGE PETITION** Thanks and God Bless!! > >REPUBLICANS: >Hutchinson, AL >Salmon, AZ >J.D. Hayworth, AZ >Horn, CA >Bilbray, CA >Foley, FL >Porter, IL >Snowbarger, KS >Gilchrest, MD >Upton, MI >Ramstad, MN >R. Hill, MT >Bereuter, NE >Barrett, NE >Bass, NH >Franks, NJ >Frelinghuysen, NJ >Redmond, NM >Boehlert, NY >Forbes, NY >Kelly, NY >Lazio, NY >Quinn, NY >Houghton, NY >Walsh, NY >English, PA >Fox, PA >Greenwood, PA >Sanford, SC >Graham, SC >Duncan, TN >Brady, TX >T. Davis, VA >White, WA >Neumann, WI > >DEMOCRATS: >Pastor, AZ >Hamilton, IN >Visclosky, IN >Roemer, IN >Oberstar, MN >G. Taylor, MS >Thompson, MS >Traficant, OH >Murtha, PA >Klink, PA >Gonzalez, TX >R. Hall, TX >Boucher, VA >Obey, WI >Mollohan, WV >Rahall, WV [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:43:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Clinton sets up Red Communist with ICBM's - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:55:52 -0400 (EDT) From: softwar@us.net (CharlesSmith) Subject: CAS: CLINTON HELPING RED CHINA SPACE/MISSILE PROGRAM Next year will be a historic moment for China. In 1999, to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Mao, the PRC will orbit it's first manned space craft. The US and Russia have dominated space in the last half of the 20th century. Now, a third, rising super-power of the 21st century, will soon join them. In part, the Clinton administration should celebrate as well, for they have played a major role in helping the PRC develop it's missile and manned space program. Technology sold to China helped the Chinese to begin their own bold journey. However, this time it is not for peaceful conquest of space but for brutal domination of the Earth. This time the two space men will be carrying a little red book and they will be members of the People's Liberation Army. US technical contributions to China's rockets of war include guidance and control systems from heavy Clinton/Gore donor Benard Schwartz (LORAL), and satellite secure communications from the "inside the White House" connection through Motorola. The list of aero-space items bought by the PRC for commercial purposes and then "diverted" into their military includes super computers for nuclear weapons research, advanced CAD/CAM aircraft manufacturing machinery, hot section technology for jet engines, and encrypted control systems for satellites. In one case, the advanced CAD/CAM machines, the items were sold to the PRC allegedly to produce civilian "airliners". However, US spy satellites have photos of the US machinery being installed at a People's Army missile/jet fighter production facility. Other items not available for sale were stolen or improved by Chinese intelligence operations. For example, one Chinese operation was discovered by accident in 1996. A Chinese air-to-air missile was found by Singapore officials in the cargo bay of a DRAGONAIR passenger jet bound for Israel. The missile was in a box labeled "machine parts". US intelligence openly speculated in Aviation Week & Space Technology that the missile was to be improved inside Israel with stolen US Sidewinder technology and then sent back to China. DRAGONAIR was fined by Singapore. No word on whether the passengers were offered a refund. Yet, DRAGONAIR, was at that time also part owned by Moctar Riady of the Lippo Group. The same Riady family so closely connected to Bill Clinton. The same Riadys who bought Webb Hubbell's silence, hired John Huang to his secret US Commerce Dept. job and funneled illegal donations to the Clinton via a "gardener". Moctar has since sold his interest in DRAGONAIR to his joint partner in the Chinese airline. The PRC. The Chinese operation to improve aero-space operations has been quite successful. In 1999 China will begin flight testing a whole new generation of space military hardware. The new weapons of space include real-time spy satellites, fully secure world-wide satellite communications and all weather navigation for bombing. These military satellites will join their US and Russian counter parts in orbit. Another more dangerous Chinese weapon is also on track for deployment in the 21st century. This weapon too has it's roots in advanced US technology. Sometime in the first decade of the next century China will begin to deploy mobile ICBMs with multiple nuclear warheads (MIRV). These missiles will be able to roam the vast country-side of China on mobile launch trucks, safe from detection or attack from US air forces. They will also be able to strike up to five targets anywhere on Earth with a new, lightweight, nuclear warhead, designed by the best US super computers that Chinese money can buy. The Chinese operation is a success because there appears to be no reaction from the west. The US media is more concerned about Clinton's sexual problems than the sale of space weapons to a potential enemy. Yet, the ability of Clinton to "spin" the story does not change the situation. The Clinton deals with China are the modern equal of selling nuclear secrets to the USSR in the 1950s. We may face our own weapons in a future battle against an unpopular and tyrannical regime. The future scenario of Beijing dictators creating a war for the "liberation of Taiwan" is very real. The Clinton legacy in the 21st century may be a nuclear "Falklands" for America. The fact that we ignore it today ... Only assures it will come true tomorrow. 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. Smith SOFTWAR http://www.us.net/softwar softwar@us.net Pcyphered SIGNATURE: DCDB12D956D23B2576AE8C50108EB7D86459090E4104E6CA08DC5F0559093A38 42C19ACCCE7ABA86540F325EACB8B23141B149E3F37EE4D38AF486342335DB5C 2FAB9276BF195EFA ============================================================== SOFTWAR EMAIL NEWSLETTER 04/21/1998 *** to unsubscribe reply with "unsubscribe" as subject *** ============================================================== ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe ca Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:41:19 -0400 From: jim hofmann Subject: Re: CAS: RE: CLINTON HELPING RED CHINA SPACE/MISSILE PROGRAM Most Sinologists don't see this happening. Right now, China is trying to gain hegemony over east Asia and it would be folly to pick a war with the U.S. as we would most likely beat them. If they would attack anyone the best bet would be Taiwan. I just don't see them directly challenging the U.S. until perhaps 2030-2050 and the objective would be total or near-domination of the Pacific Rim. We will see continued efforts to corrupt countries and governments on the Pac Rim east side (that's Alaska all the way down to the bottom of South America) and "flood" them with ethnic Chinese. I truly think with Bill Clinton they were handed exactly what they wanted and more on a silver platter -- his greed for campaign collars in 1995-1996 combined with the Chinese push to acquire post-Gulf War military techology was and is a lethal combination for the continued health of the free republic. - - --- Jim - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:22:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Oklahoma Rally (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:40:52 -0500 From: Tom Saunders To: rickie.a.slater@dartmouth.edu, freedom@spectra.net, observer@dmi.net, mlindste@clandjop.com, jeffs@gr.cns.net, pwatson@utdallas.edu, Shiloh1@airmail.net, nox2128@montana.com Subject: Oklahoma Rally *************************** BILL OF ATTAINDER PROJECT *************************** WILL FOSTER RALLY I looked over at Meg Foster and saw she was shivering. The rain was coming down hard enough to give me flashbacks from the rain forests of Southeast Asia. Norma Sapp from NORML got Meg to go inside and sit on the marble steps. Then, the producer of "Nature of Things" from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recorded the longest thunder-clap I ever heard, right in the middle of our interview. I looked into the camera and told it, "that was 'GOD' telling them upstairs, no more bills of attainder." When the sky quieted down, I gave the CBC the chance to tell the world what a bill of attainder really is. You will not learn it from our justice system or our press. By 4 p.m. at least 150 people had assembled. We walked into the bottom rotunda, the "belly of the beast," inside the Capitol Building. Under the round empty white marble of the rotunda Mike Pearson introduced the speakers. I looked several floors up to empty round balconies. Meg Foster spoke after Mike, then Adam Smith from the Drug Reform Coordination Network was giving his speech when the police moved in . The young man looked into the officer's eyes and said, "If you take my sign I want you to show it to the camera." Violations of the First Amendment rang out. Channel 9 and others along with several documentary crews were there, so the kid had cameras. The cop backed off to find others of his species. A resounding "Booohhhh" went up the marble hole. Feeling the decibel power of the protesters I decided it was time to "let the bull out of the shoot." It looked like a round-up to me. It was time to learn what a bill of attainder is. I stepped out after Mike Pearson introduced me and asked the crowd, "Do you believe the law should be used to plunder life, liberty, or property?" I felt the "NO" vibrate up the marble hole all the way to the ceiling. I looked upstairs and was happy to see those folks gathering up there were learning that in Oklahoma the legislature has three constitutional provisions to protect citizens from laws that outlaw people, suspend their civil rights, confiscate their property, punish or put them to death without a trial. The white marble vibrated truth through the Oklahoma Congress at least once before the next century. I could feel the crowd and they were fired up. It felt good. When I got done Channel 9 was there asking me for my card. Later we waited to see if they put us on the news. It looks like Canada will be telling Americans the truth about their rights and Will Foster. After the rally most of the speakers assembled at the Clarion to shoot interviews for another documentary. It's in the can. We would like you to contact the CBC, and ask them to promote their documentary also. They can be reached at P.O. Box 500, Station "A", Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M5W 1E6. (Fax) (416) 205- 3579. We do not know when their production will be ready but we look forward to seeing it. If they put in the thunder you'll hear what I mean. We hope it will help free Will Foster. Tom Saunders Bill Of Attainder Project http://www.isc-durant.com/tom/billofattainder - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:23:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: sent from Eudora (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:45:03 -0700 From: Jack Perrine To: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: sent from Eudora wrote : >Any way you can keep this from Wrapping lines? I am not sure. I think the original message was formatted with wide lines Sometimes I can manually reformat by pushing the type around......but=20 sometimes when I do that EUDORA its arrogance adjusts the lines for window I have open when I put the text in there to mail WORD will do a nice job of formatting but it thinks each carriage return starts a new paragraph and so it comes out double spaced I pulled this down from the www site and shifted all the type around by hand and will send it twice. I think the old mailer will leave the formatting alone but does not understand MIME while Eudora understands MIME but is apt to louse up the formatting Jack =20 Wednesday, April 22, 1998=20 Historian serves notice=20 on Gingrich=20 He hired her, fired her and now=20 she wants to fire him=20 By Paul Chesser =A9 Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com=20 Christina Jeffrey, a Kennesaw State University professor of=20 political science, directs students through her Internet web=20 site to her special "warning" page. Upon arrival, the new=20 students discover a photograph of a menacing Rep. James Traficant, D-OH, wielding a 2x4 labeled "Bangin' away in D.C."=20 The warning to students is to "keep up with the readings."=20 Jeffrey's threat is that if assigned readings are not kept up,=20 she "will be forced to call (Traficant) and have him give you=20 a call." Considering Traficant's surly mug, students are probably wise to heed Jeffrey's admonishment.=20 Jeffrey is now also serving a stern warning to House Speaker=20 Newt Gingrich.=20 Best known as the House historian that Gingrich hired and then=20 fired a few days later, Jeffrey is filing a lawsuit today to=20 allow her to run for the speaker's House seat in the 6th District=20 of Georgia. The lawsuit seeks to overturn a University System of=20 Georgia rule that prohibits professors from running for state=20 or federal office. The suit will be filed in U.S. District=20 Court in Atlanta.=20 Jeffrey became a point of controversy in January 1995 when=20 Gingrich hired her to serve as Historian of the House of=20 Representatives. She was fired by Gingrich days later, because=20 of accusations that she made anti-Semitic remarks in reviewing a Holocaust course for the Department of Education.=20 Jeffrey wrote in her review that "the program gives no evidence=20 of balance or objectivity. The Nazi point of view, however=20 unpopular ... is not presented, nor is that of the Ku Klux Klan."=20 In a March 1995 letter to the Wall Street Journal explaining her=20 review, Jeffrey wrote, "my review, of course, presupposed the=20 existence and evil of the Holocaust, an assumption universal in=20 academic discourse." She further explained that "the DOE form=20 specified criteria that were narrow and superficial and ...=20 included balance as a major criterion; I was not thinking of=20 fairness to Nazis but of the absence of an intellectual foundation=20 to support goodness and virtue."=20 Jeffrey was subsequently supported and defended by several=20 prominent Jews, including Abraham Foxman, national director of=20 the Anti-Defamation League. Jeffrey also has a lawsuit pending=20 against Gingrich for breach of contract, because of his promise=20 of employment for her after her firing. She plans to appeal the dismissal of another lawsuit, claiming defamation and slander=20 by some House Democrats.=20 According to Jeffrey, the motivation behind her effort to run for=20 the House is purely ideological.=20 "We (her and her husband, Robert) really don't believe in=20 vengeance," said Jeffrey. "We think that if we acted out of that=20 motive, it would do us more harm than it would anybody else. We=20 believe that are hearts are pure and in the right place, and have=20 the best interests of the people of the 6th District at heart."=20 "The kind of disappointment that would lead to (her candidacy)=20 is not personal. It is profound political and civic disappointment.=20 Robert and I feel like we're orphans of the revolution, and we're=20 not the only ones."=20 In her personal survey of the residents of the 6th District,=20 Jeffrey has found "great unhappiness" with Gingrich.=20 "Imagine what it was like in the 6th District in November of=20 1994," said Jeffrey. "He recruited us for a revolution. Then=20 when he got there, he forgot to fight. The dissatisfaction=20 with Newt is very deep."=20 Jeffrey's opinion of Gingrich's job performance has changed in the=20 last three years. In a September 1995 interview for The Refuter,=20 an online newsletter, Jeffrey expressed support for the speaker,=20 despite her firing.=20 "Newt is my congressman. I still expect him to lead this Second American Revolution and I support his efforts."=20 Today Jeffrey says "we were strong Newt supporters. We made a=20 determination to stay in the Newt camp, and support what we=20 thought was a revolution, and not let our personal differences=20 get in the way."=20 Now that she perceives the speaker has changed, Jeffrey believes=20 it is time for her to become involved. "Newt is, and has been,=20 obviously moving to the left to satisfy what he thinks he needs=20 to do to be president," she said.=20 "We really haven't gotten much in the way of an explanation,=20 for why all the things we worked and prayed for now aren't=20 important, and now are impossible. We simply don't see it."=20 Jeffrey hesitates to describe her own politics. She doesn't=20 like the labels.=20 "One label that's been given to me, and I'm still a little=20 uneasy with it, but it's not inaccurate, is a Judeo-Christian=20 libertarian." While not a member of the Libertarian Party, she's=20 a believer in personal liberties.=20 Perhaps the issue that concerns Jeffrey most is, not surprisingly,=20 education.=20 "I think it should be up to the parents in the most narrow sense.=20 I think even a large school is a mistake for young children.=20 The parent of one child in a school with 1700 children has too=20 little influence over her child's education. It needs to be small enough so the parents have an impact."=20 Despite her lifelong status as a Republican, Jeffrey hasn't=20 decided whether she would run as a Democrat or Republican.=20 "One thing political scientists tend to have in common is we=20 like political parties," she said. "We like for them to mean=20 something, because they're important cues for the voters, who=20 spend all their time working, and don't have time to follow the=20 issues, but are conscientious and want to vote."=20 "These parties, and their leaders who want to be president,=20 are going to move to the center, and when they do that, the=20 parties are going to be confused. Maybe that's not such a bad=20 thing. For people like me who have strong political views, maybe I need allies in both parties, so that a bipartisan=20 effort can be made, for example, to shut down the NEA. Maybe=20 as long as it's just a Republican effort, it's not going to happen."=20 Jeffrey is optimistic about her chances in getting the=20 university rule overturned.=20 "It looks to me like an unconstitutional rule," she said.=20 "How can the state of Georgia get away with taking a whole=20 class of people and say they can't run for federal office?"=20 "If you want people who understand how the political system=20 works, from a theoretical standpoint, then it's good to have=20 a few (professors) around. I think a professor's place is in the House."=20 Even her potential primary opponent agreed.=20 "The last thing Newt Gingrich said to Robert and me when we were in Washington ... was that he thought 'Washington needed some=20 feisty professors."=20 "But apparently he changed his mind -- for political expediency.=20 He didn't want that smear machine coming after him."=20 Send e-mail to the editor=20 Go to the exclusives archive=20 Go to the front page of=20 =20 =A91998, Western Journalism Center=20 =20 Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-309-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 21:41:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: BATF goes far beyond the law with new Brady regs (fwd) On Apr 22, ataylor@NMSU.Edu () wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Neal Knox alert on the latest power-grab by BATF. Why has the "winning team" at NRA not bothered to tell members a single, darned thing about this latest outrage? ========================================================================== BATF's Brady Regs Stretch New Powers BATF's proposed regulations on the permanent "Instant Check" provisions of the Brady Act, which go into effect Nov. 30 on all firearms purchases -- including rifles and shotguns -- would further stretch the Federal powers granted by that law. FBI spokesmen have estimated the cost of check will be about $15 per transaction -- on over 10 million transactions. Public comments will be accepted until May 20. Despite prohibitions against Social Security numbers being used for identification, the proposed regulations would request a buyer's SSN as an "option," supposedly to prevent delay in transfers due to misidentification of the buyer. "Instant Check" was initiated and promoted by NRA as a less- restrictive alternative to the Brady 7-day waiting period, with safeguards against records of gun buyers being permanently kept, but the proposed regulations sidestep any discussion of records security or privacy, stating that will come in the Justice Department's regulations. The Justice Department, unlike BATF, is not prohibited from spending its funds to create a national gun registry. Though the law prohibits maintaining computer records on guns and buyers, Justice Department in 1996 established and sent the "F.I.S.T." (Firearms Inquiry Statistical Tracking) Windows-based computer program to several hundred police departments, encouraging them to maintain records accessible by Federal agencies. Some local and state agencies, such as the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation and Identification, have been caught maintaining computerized records of Brady purchases despite the clear prohibition in the law. No prosecutions have resulted. The "Instant Check" (which replaces the five-working day wait, but can take up to three working days) supposedly was to be carried out by States which had adopted such purchase requirements, with the Federal government to conduct checks only if state systems were inadequate or the state had not implemented the system. NRA-ILA has actively supported passage of state "Instant Check" laws -- often despite the opposition of local gunowners. But the proposed regulations require all purchases to be cleared through the Justice Department National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Accordingly, buyers in states with their own checking systems would be required to comply with both, and pay both fees -- perhaps totaling $30 on a $50 .22 rifle. NRA apparently has not alerted its members to the regulations though almost half of the 90-day comment period has expired. States with purchase permit systems are supposedly exempted from the "Instant Check," but the proposed BATF regulations refuse to recognize such permits unless issued after a recent NICS background check. Congress specifically exempted return of a person's pawned firearm from the waiting period under the first phase of Brady, but BATF is taking the position that a NICS check must be conducted before a pawnbroker may return a gun to its owner under the permanent phase. The proposed regulations state that BATF is proposing changes in the law to require a NICS check within 30 days of the transfer and to require the check after completion of the Form 4473. It is a certainty that Handgun Control Inc. will attempt to continue the waiting period requirement, and introduce other amendments, if any such piece of firearms legislation is allowed to move in Congress. The proposed regulations, found on Pages 8379-8386 of the Feb. 19 Federal Register, may also be obtained From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr19fe98-24]. Send written comments to: Chief, Regulations Division; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; P.O. Box 50221; Washington, DC 20091-0221; ATTN: Notice No. 857. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #116 *************************