From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #126 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:21:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: THE MOB PRESIDENT - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:27 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: CAS: The Mob President http://www.federal.com/may04-98/Mob THE MOB PRESIDENT The Mob Helped Clinton get Started In Politics. It is Now Helping Him Escape the Law When young Bill Clinton in 1974 made his first run for political office, a crucial $10,000 loan was arranged for him by his uncle, Raymond Clinton. Uncle Raymond has been tied by Clinton biographer Roger Morris to the Hot Springs Mafia. But it was not until 1984, when Clinton was elected for a second term as Governor of Arkansas, that Mob money really started pouring in. "That was the election when the Mob really came into Arkansas politics, the dog-track and racetrack boys, the payoff people who saw a good thing," a former U.S. Attorney told Roger Morris. "It wasn't just Bill Clinton and it went beyond our old Dixie Mafia, which was penny-ante by comparison. This was eastern and and West Coast crime money that noticed the possibilities just like the legitimate corporations did." Among the "legitimate corporations" that noticed the possibilities with the rapidly ascending governor thirsting for power and money were front corporations for the intelligence services of the People's Republic of China. The Lippo empire came to Arkansas that year. By then, Bill Clinton's ties to organized crime had become well- known. His half-brother Roger Clinton was convicted of cocaine distribution in association with Mob figure and Clinton money man Dan Lasater. In the years that followed, Arkansas became a major cocaine trans-shipment point for the Mafia, crossing paths with the famous CIA Contra resupply operation at Mena. Bill Clinton had found a most successful formula in U.S. politics: financial backing from a coalition of organized crime and hostile foreign governments. A MERGER OF THE DIXIE, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK CRIME FAMILIES So successful was this formula, that in 1992 Bill Clinton used it to reach the highest office, the office of the U.S. Presidency. In return for large campaign donations, the crime families would be represented in the Clinton administration. The New York Mob paid $56 million [1] and won the slot of Deputy Chief of Staff for its lawyer Harold Ickes. The Dixie Mafia paid an undisclosed amount and obtained slots for Patsy Thomasson and Buddy Young. The Chicago political machine sent Rahm Emanuel and David Wilhelm. Harold Ickes proved his value to the Mob when he held his hand over Mob puppets Arthur Coia and Ron Carey who were under separate RICO investigations by the Justice Department. Patsy Thomasson, in charge of White House drug testing policy, saw to it that criminal figures on the White House staff would not be bothered about past and current drug use. The People's Republic of China, in return for at least a $3 million loan through Worthen Bank, won a slot for its spy John Huang at the Commerce Department. Later followed access to advanced U.S. military technology, access to the Long Beach Naval Base, MFN trade status, and more campaign contributions. Peripheral Mob figures Nathan Landow, Richard Ben-Veniste, and their associates Terry Lenzner and Paul Begala became part of the secret police that would keep Clinton in office despite multiple revelations of criminal offenses. Ironically, the only member of the Clinton enforcement team who has threatened the use of Mafia methods in public is James Carville. He said on television that Kenneth Starr was just one mistake away from not having any kneecaps. "Kneecapping" is a Mafia specialty. Yet the only link between Carville and the Mafia that we have been able to find so far is his partnership with Paul Begala, who admitted in a recent deposition for the Filegate trial that he was in close and frequent contact with his friend Richard Ben-Veniste, a Mob lawyer and friend of Mobster Alvin Malnik [2]. Richard Ben- Veniste has defended several drug traffickers and money launderers for the Mafia and for the DNC. Ben-Veniste also defended Bill Clinton on the Senate Whitewater panel in 1995. It goes without saying that a Racketeering-Influenced Corrupt Organization such as the Clinton administration cannot stay in office long without a very efficient "enforcement" component to its secret police. The methods employed by this "enforcement" team include murder. The 1993 assassination of Clinton private investigator Jerry Parks was carried out by people in Hot Springs associated with Buddy Young [3]. Of all the mysterious deaths and suicides surrounding the Clinton Secret Police, this is the only one that has been solved. That does not mean that it has been prosecuted, though, for corruption of the judicial system is another necessary component of survival. White House Director of Administration, Patsy Thomasson of the Dixie Mafia, has been implicated in several attempts on the life of Dennis Patrick, a former money launderer for the Dixie Mafia who wanted out [3]. CORRUPTING THE PRESS Survival of the Clinton administration has also been contingent upon successful corruption of the press. The most prominent Clinton operator at this time is Murray Waas, gaining fame in the mainstream media for finding a psychic in Arkansas whose son had seen money given to Whitewater witness David Hale. Murray Waas has actually been doing opposition research for the Clinton administration for several years. His journalistic "scoops" (or are they merely ventilations of White House FBI files?) include research into the background of Kenneth Starr and into the background of Clinton critics. In this research, his Mafia-style methods have become apparent. Waas threatened to have reporter Michael Lewis killed after Lewis wrote a New Republic story looking into murder and drugs in Arkansas--a story that was unflattering of Waas [4]. Who does Waas know who would be able to enforce such a threat? THE MISSING PIECE If China made illegal donations to the Clinton campaign in return for mercantile and military strategic advantages, then what illegal donations have been made by Russia? The favors Clinton has made towards China pale in comparison to the favors he has made towards Russia. Billions of dollars in economic support and the maintenance of a strategic advantage in favor of Russia through the obstruction and delay of modernization of the U.S. strategic nuclear arsenal and the development and deployment of a U.S. national missile defense. Lest gestures as these be interpreted as prudent engagement of a fledgling democracy, one should consider that it has rarely been the democratic forces in Russia, or the Russian people, that have been the beneficiaries of Clinton administration support: (1) Clinton's point man on Russia policy is the former KGB's point man on propaganda in the U.S. His name is Strobe Talbott, a former editor at Time magazine who built his career on access to KGB officials and their Soviet propaganda [5]. (2) The Clinton administration has worked hand-in-hand with Russian Mobsters to illegally extradite whistleblowers who have revealed massive KGB-Mafia corruption in Russia [6]. (3) The FBI, through its new offices in Moscow, has become an adjunct of the corrupt KGB-Mafia bureaucracy that rules Russian society today. FBI Director Freeh has reversed himself in stating that the Russian Mafia does not pose a threat to U.S. domestic or national security [7]. Only a month earlier, Freeh had warned that 30 Russian Mafia syndicates were conducting the most sophisticated criminal operations ever seen in America based on their access to expertise in computer technology, encryption techniques and money laundering [8]. (4) Monetary aid to Russia has been diverted towards the modernization of its strategic nuclear arsenal, including a new generation of nuclear attack submarines. Other funds have been diverted to the Russian Mob [5]. The engineer of these scams is Strobe Talbott. Where are the records of illegal campaign donations invested by the Russian KGB-Mafia complex in the Clinton administration to maintain this profitable state of affairs? Apart from the revelation of a $90,000 donation to the DNC on behalf of suspected nuclear arms dealer Grigory Loutchansky [9], the record of this cash pipeline must be hidden inside the DNC's closely guarded campaign finance records. That is a scandal yet to surface. THE CLINTON LEGACY The legacy of the Clinton Presidency is the transformation of the United States into a narco republic with parts of the judicial system as corrupt as that of Colombia. Much worse than that, Bill Clinton has helped build a state-of-the-art offensive nuclear strike capability in the most dangerous nations on earth: China, Russia, Pakistan, and Iran. And the nuclear weapons of China and perhaps Russia are targeted at the U.S. Simultaneously with this build-up, Clinton has dismantled, defunded, and starved the U.S. military so that today we have a "hollow army." The actions of President Clinton will dramatically affect the security of the United States for generations to come. He has sold out his own country in order to win and maintain the Presidency. Notes: [1] F.C. "Duke" Zeller in the Washington Times, October 28, 1996 [2] The Miami Herald [3] "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard [4] "The Seducer," by Michael Lewis, The New Republic Nov. 18, 1996 [5] "Strobe Talbott: Russia's Man in Washington," by Kenneth R. Timmerman, The American Spectator, April 1998. [6] "Clinton Administration Aids KGB in Cover-up of Communist Party Loot," Washington Weekly, Aug. 25, 1997. [7] "Freeh Says Russian Mafia Poses no Threat," Washington Weekly, Nov. 24, 1997 [8] "FBI's man in Moscow quits after spying row," London Telegraph, Nov. 27, 1997. [9] "Suspected N-dealer attended Clinton fund-raiser," by Christopher Ruddy, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Oct. 30, 1996. Published in the May 4, 1998 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1998 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact Warm Regards, Nancy - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:55:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Transcript, partial, "The Long Island Incident" (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:45:13 -6 From: Dan Day Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Cc: No Gun Bans Subject: Transcript, partial, "The Long Island Incident" Posted to texas-gun-owners by "Dan Day" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, I just spent a bunch of time transcribing the relevant portions of my tape of NBC's "The Long Island Incident". Now I'm up *way* past my bedtime; I hope y'all appreciate it. Here are the choicest parts, transcribed and double-checked as accurately as I could manage, along with how many hours:minutes it was into the program. (I think I've worn off my VCR's "pause" and "rewind" buttons.) The "1:23" conversation is a classic. ==================== 0:01 [In a New York gun store. Store is respectable, gun dealer is nice-looking older man.] Colin Ferguson: "I like this one - I'm in a hurry..." NY gun dealer: "Well show me your license and you can be on your way Ferguson: "License?" Gun dealer: "Oh, boy..." [starts putting away guns] Ferguson: "Hey, what are you doing? I want to buy one!" Gun dealer: "Yeah? Then find yourself another state, because in New York, no license, no gun, got it?" [Ferguson has to be forcibly ejected from the store.] ==================== 0:03 [Ferguson in California motel lobby] Motel clerk: "How long will you be staying in LA, sir?" Ferguson: "Fifteen day waiting period..." [...] "Fifteen days. And I need the address of my 'new residence'." ==================== 0:06 [California gun store, "Fifteen days later". Store has Santa Claus statue holding a gun, dealer looks greasy and sleazy.] Gun dealer: "Yeah, yeah, the one you've got in your hand there? That's one of LA's best sellers. Or we've got the Glock 19 here. Best of the line, you know, if you want to do some serious damage." Ferguson: "No, this is the one I came here for." Gun dealer: "Excellent -- she's a sweetheart. So I guess you gonna want some ammo for that, right? Cause if you pick her up, you don't want to be just waving her around." Ferguson: "What, do I look stupid to you?" [Ferguson gets wild-eyed, gun dealer looks scared for a moment.] Gun dealer: "Trust me, a guy holding a Ruger 9mm semi-automatic never looks stupid. Hey, come here. You ever hear of something called the Black Talon? This ammo in here, this'll mess up your day..." ==================== 0:27 ["Tim" comes to Carolyn McCarthy's house, tries to convince her to push for new gun laws.] Tim: "...deranged animals walking around with a semi-automatic weapon that fires *15* bullets; he bought the thing legal, the cops aren't even allowed to carry those guns." ==================== 0:28 [McCarthy is in a doctor's X-Ray room.] Doctor: "You probably don't want to look at that -- it's the remains of a hollow-point bullet." McCarthy: "This is what killed my husband?" Doctor: "Same kind. See? The hollow tip explodes on impact, like shrapnel. The bullet that killed your husband also explodes with little claws that are sharp as razors. It's how they got their name, Black Talons." McCarthy: "What kind of animal is this meant to hunt?" Doctor: "They're not made for animals, they're made for killing people." McCarthy: "Colin Ferguson bought these legally, how can that be? It's crazy." Doctor: "We live in a crazy time." ==================== 0:42 [McCarthy and Tim are lobbying a Congressman.] Tim: "I'll tell you why we need your support on this Crime Bill congressman; there are over 100 gun related deaths in this country every single day, and the Crime Bill is the one line of defense that we've got. We don't need semi-automatic weapons on the street and your constituents will back you up on this. It's common knowledge that 70% of Americans favor the ban." Congressman: [waffles a bit, then] "I have to say that I have some problems with the bill -- it limits the size of a magazine's clip [sic] from 15 bullets to 10 [sic]; I mean 5 bullets is not the issue." Tim: "Colin ferguson's last five bullets killed three people -- it was an issue for them, sir." ==================== 0:47 [TV flipping through McCarthy interview soundbites] McCarthy: "The very reason why guns should not be available..." [click] "What I really want to know is why Colin Ferguson was allowed to buy the gun..." [click] ==================== 0:48 [TV footage of Clinton] Clinton: "Well first of all, it's a terrible human tragedy, and my sympathies go out to all the families involved.... I would say that we have to note .... the gun that was used contained apparently two fifteen round clips that were expended while this man in a manic state was walking down the subway aisles, and one of the reasons we oughta pass the Crime Bill is that Senator Feinstein's amendment to limit assault weapons would make those 15-round clips illegal." ==================== 0:50 [McCarthy on TV] McCarthy: "In a blink your whole normal life can be turned inside out, and the thing is that there's such a proliferation of guns on the street now that it could happen to anyone at any time. It has got to stop; we have got to let our politicians know that we care about this -- the safety of people has got to be more important to politicians than getting money from the National Rifle Association." ==================== 0:51 [McCarthy is lobbying a woman congressman] McCarthy: "Last year people armed with handguns committed more than a million violent crimes -- my husband and son were two of these victims. [...] As a woman I'm sure that you know that even a man with a restraining order against him can still legally go out and buy a gun so Clinton's Crime Bill would help so... ==================== 0:52 [McCarthy runs into a sleazy, smirking guy in the Capitol building] Bill Leffert: "I was wondering how it feels to become a celebrity at the expense of your husband's life." McCarthy [shocked]: "I beg your pardon?" Leffert: "You're quite the actress... [McCarthy storms off] No comment? [smirks]" McCarthy [stomps back]: "This crime bill would outlaw 19 types of semiautomatic weapons; it's only a fraction of the guns that are out there, but if this could keep one family from going through what my family's gone through, if I could get one Congressman to change his vote and get this passed, then one good thing has come out of this incident. I don't know who you are or what you want, but if you think that I would be rather here [sic] doing this, or being at home waiting for my husband to get back from work..." Leffert: "I'll tell you who I am, I'm Bill Leffert, I'm here to keep sentimentalism out of the political debate. My job is to protect the Second Amendment from people like you." McCarthy: "People like me?" Leffert: "The trouble with people like you..." McCarthy: "These are all people like me. These are all people, with husbands and wives and children, and they all have a right to take a walk, or to get on a bus, or ride a commuter train home from work... without the fear that they will be wiped out by an assault weapon with exploding bullets. That's all that people like me want. [Shouting now] And one more thing Mr. Leffert, this has NOTHING to do with the Second Amendment and you know that as well as I do..." ==================== 0:59 [McCarthy being interviewed on TV] Reporter: "How did it feel to be invited to the White House?" McCarthy: "Amazing -- it was great to see him sign the bill. It was great to know that there are 19 types of semi-automatic guns outlawed and off our streets." ==================== 1:09 [McCarthy's son, who was wounded on the LIRR, testifies at Ferguson's trial] Son: "...I did not have the luxury of a trial or an appeal, I was convicted and sentenced by a depraved madman with an assault gun." ==================== 1:15 [McCarthy listens to her car radio] Radio report: "In a letter addressed to the National Rifle Association, Dole promised an end to the type of scare tactics that led to the passage of the [crime] bill in the first place." Tim: "It's payback time -- that's what it's about. New Congress just got elected, and you know who financed a lot of those campaigns, the NRA." McCarthy: "Assault weapons! Tim, they want to put assault weapons back on the street, that's crazy!" Tim: "Nah, that's politics. The National Rifle Association ain't gonna let them forget it." ==================== 1:21 [McCarthy and friends try to lobby their own congressman] "Twenty five people get shot up in his own district and he still won't vote to take assault weapons off the streets!" McCarthy: "He's more responsive to the NRA than he is to the people who elected him." Tim: "Do you have any idea how much the NRA lays out for political contributions?" McCarthy: "I don't know how he sleeps at night, I really don't" Tim: "Politicians know who butters their bread." ==================== 1:23 [McCarthy and anti-gun lobbyists chat over lunch] Lobbyist #1: "As a lobbyist, what particularly galls me is how facts are twisted by the NRA leadership. Like the right to bear arms..." Lobbyist #2: [snorts] "The right to bear arms... Did you know the head of the Supreme Court, former Chief Justice Burger, called the NRA's misrepresentation of the second amendment one of the greatest pieces of fraud he had ever seen?" McCarthy: "He called it fraud?" Lobbyist #2: "Fraud. No matter what the NRA wants you to believe, the Second Amendment has never been about the rights of an individual to bear arms. It's about the right to arm a militia." Lobbyist #1: "A well regulated militia." Natalie: "Yeah, and the NRA figures that most people won't read the actual Bill of Rights." Tim: "Right about that." Lobbyist #2: "And that's where we come in." Lobbyist #1: "We lobby to keep the political dialog honest." ==================== 1:24 [McCarthy spots her elusive Congressman at nearby table] McCarthy: I don't mean to tell you how to do your job, but I have spoken to a lot of our friends on the Island and they don't want this repeal -- we want guns off our streets, especially after what just happened in our own back yard." Congressman: [waffles, then after McCarthy leaves, says to lunch companion:] She is just a self-serving [mumble] liberal, who people listen to because they have sympathy for her. Don't sweat it, finish your steak, so we can have some of that sensational key lime pie..." ==================== 1:25 [McCarthy and friends are watching from the observation balcony as a Congressman gives a speech on the floor of the House] Politician: "Maybe this is just a personal anecdote, but my dear old Momma was widowed last year, and where my people come from, well it's rural, it can be as desolate as all get out. Now all I gotta do is think of her safety, and I know where my vote is gonna be placed on the repeal of this heinous gun control legislation -- she's 89 years old, and it's her right to protect herself." McCarthy [standing up and screaming]: "You just don't get it -- this is about gun violence! Unless your 89 year old mother is hanging an Uzi over her door, this bill isn't going to limit her rights! You don't get it! This is about banning assault weapons!" ==================== 1:26 [The House passes the bill repealing the "assault weapon ban"] Reporter #1: "In what critics have called a furtive, middle of the night vote, the new Republican-led House of Representatives has voted today to repeal a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons, which would allow 19 brands of assault weapons to once again..." Reporter #2: "With only one day's notice, and virtually no public hearings, house Republicans have leveled a striking blow to Clinton's recently passed crime bill, which had banned 19 brands of assault weapons..." Reporter #3 [smug and smirking]: "It was a stunning, stunning victory for the National Rifle Association, and clearly shows where the hearts and the minds of the American public stands on this issue of gun control.. The american people want no political intervention of any kind into the right to arm themselves in any way they see fit." McCarthy: "I'm furious. I have been working for over two years on the issue of gun violence, and I know [mumble] tough, saner laws. These politicians are not listening to their own people." ==================== 1:35 [McCarthy is talking to her son at home, resisting the idea of running for Congress] McCarthy: "I don't know anything about politics." Son: "Yeah, well, you didn't know anything about guns before, but now you're an expert." ==================== 1:43 [The McCarthy political "War Room", complete with HCI's infamous "God Bless America", and a "YES OR NO" "assault weapon" poster with a big stick-on saying "Guns don't die, people do!"] Political advisor: "'Bullet Magazine' is calling you a professional widow -- politics are ugly." ==================== 1:55 [Acceptance speech] McCarthy: "Tonight, you have helped me to start to make a difference in our world and we have already come a long way. Gun violence takes the lives of 105 american men, women and children every day. Every day. Tonight, you have sent a message that enough is enough. I promise you that that message will be heard in Washington." (applause). ==================== 1:58 [Dedication at end of movie] "Dedicated to the memory of all the men, women and children killed by gunfire in the United States." ==================== - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 98 10:27:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: WalMart Donates to anti-gun cause (fwd) On May 05, John Wilson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Steve Jones wrote: > ALERT: Wal-Mart Supports Anti-Gun Group in Missouri > > This problem is occurring in Missouri, but the issue is national. > Please > help. > > Missourians against Handgun Violence (MAHV) is the most prominent > anti-gun > organization in Missouri, and lobbies against the interests of lawful > gun > owners at every turn. The Spring issue of their newsletter is on the > > street, and contained an item that gun owners may find shocking. I > have > now verified that Wal-Mart intends to financially support this > organization. > > On "Mitzvah Day" this Sunday May 17th, MAHV will have a booth at > Wal-Mart > on St. Charles Rock Road in St. Ann Missouri where they will raise > funds, > promote trigger locks, and conduct a "say no to guns" art session for > young > children. Im sure the MAHV will have an ample supply of red crayons > standing by. Wal-Mart has pledged to match any funds the MAHV raises. > > Phone calls and letters to the store manager, a Mr. Tom Yarbrough, > explained the concerns of gun owners, and offered to provide trained > firearms experts from the Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri > (SACMO) to > set up an educational booth to explain the limitations and the dangers > of > misapplying trigger locks, and to show the public how to safely use > them in > an overall scheme of safe firearms storage. Yarbrough declined. I jusy got off the phone with the store manager Tom Yarbrough, first off I must say he was extreamly and causiously NICE to me. I told him I was very concerned about what I had heard on the internet about the fund raiser by MAHV Mr. Yarbrough told me he had only learned of this issue yesterday, and that he had an NRA member call him and inform him of this situation. He told me that he told this NRA member that the issue was not a done deal. and that the NRA member told him he was going to put it out over the internet anyway. I went ahead and told him I was a pro-gunner and an NRA member to get that out of the way and I told him I was also a stock holder. I informed him that I was trying to approach this issue with him as a stock holder. I thought this would get better results then the pro-gun stand. It don't matter to me what they think motivates me, all I care about is the end result. I think if the stock holders as well come out and express their concern it will help greatly. He listened to everything I said to him, I told him I could not believe Wal-Mart would get involved in such a politicaly charged issue and that it was unwise to open themselves up to such an issue as this. I expressed to him that it would be best if Wal-Mart would just stick to helping out the Childrens Merical Network and like causes. He told me that thats one of the reasons he was doing this in the first place because Wal-Mart lets individual stores donate so much money per year to charities. ( which is indeed true ) But I told him I do not think that this gun control organization is considered a charity and that you would not even be able to deduct contributions on your tax's. He told me that this group did have a tax letter, so I guess he was saying it was classified as a charity. I asked him to reconsider and elect not to hold this event and he said they were going to rethink thier decision to hold this thing. He told me that his store was approched by this organization and was asked if they could just setup a booth and hold a small fund raiser. I then questioned their decision to match the funds which led us to the point I typed above about the Miracle Network. I myself DO NOT believe this organization is listed as a charity but that is just my belief nothing more. Thats what happened on my end, my own personal opinion of the matter ::: Remember this is my opinion of mine based on how this guy acted with me on the phone. The manager seemed scared, like he got himself into something far bigger then he ever expected. He seemed willing to cave in if he caught enough slack from this. He seemed really worried about the fallout from this since it has been posted on the Internet. Of course I helped out his fear, I told him I have been on Internet for a long time and when something like this gets spread on the internet, he would have about 2 days before his phone will be jammed. He seemed quite concerned. I know Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart has and will at times yank a manager from a store or demote them for screwups like these. They pretty much let the managers of the stores handle their own local stuff pertaining to this sort of thing. That is as long as they dont screwup. I dont think this will result in something happening like this though. Usually they will be warned a number of times before something drastic happens. But then again mabye this guy already messed up in the past, you never know. Anyway everyone needs to call the local store where this is happening and the Wal-Mart headquarters. It may help prevent this in the future. John voyager@mo.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:22:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: WSJ: On breaking a stonewall - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- =============================================== [06] On Breaking a Stonewall WSJ The steady din coming out of the White House is beginning to sound like summer locusts high in the evening trees: unfair, unfair, unfair, unfair. No matter the subject, source or substance, it's all unfair. Here's Rahm Emanuel scratching over the weekend at House Oversight Committee Chairman Dan Burton: "Never before in history has a chairman done what he has done." Well, never before in history has so much chutzpah carried so many so far. The weekend doesn't pass that Kenneth Starr, Dan Burton or some other critic of the Clinton compound isn't accused of violating Marquis of Queensbury rules for the manner in which they chip and chisel at the vast stonewall that now separates this White House from the rest of the country. How else to break a stonewall built with the power of the executive branch and the complicity of Democrats in Congress? We are reminded of the wonderful colloquy last December between FBI Director Louis Freeh and Rep. Burton. Mr. Burton: "Over 65 people have invoked the Fifth Amendment or fled the country in the course of the committee's investigation. Have you ever experienced so many unavailable witnesses in any matter in which you have prosecuted or been involved?" Mr. Freeh: "Actually, I have. . . . I spent about 16 years doing organized crime cases in New York City, and many people were frequently unavailable." Since that exchange, the number of the unwilling has risen to more than 90 witnesses. Among those pleading the Fifth are key Clinton operatives John Huang and Mark Middleton, Democratic fund-raisers Nora and Gene Lum, Florida witness Charles Intriago, and a gaggle of low-level figures tied to the Al Gore/Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple fund-raiser, to the shakedown of the Arapaho Indian tribes, and to the Charlie Trie network. Mr. Trie's partner Antonio Pan has fled the country, as have key probe figures Ted Sioeng, Pauline Kanchanalak and others. Among those refusing to be interviewed overseas by U.S. investigators are such central figures as the Riadys of Indonesia and Mr. Trie's money source, Ng Lap Seng of Macau. On April 23, Democrats on Mr. Burton's committee blocked grants of immunity to four witnesses, even as the Justice Department expressed no objection. The four were associates of Johnny Chung, the Lums and Ted Sioeng. Clearly, the committee's 19 Democratic votes against immunity were what caused an impatient Speaker Gingrich's criticisms last week. Still, what seemed to most preoccupy the Beltway through that cycle was whether Mr. Burton had violated community standards by calling the President a scumbag. Washington's textual deconstructionists were similarly shocked at the release of the Hubbell prison tapes, obsessing over the manner in which they were edited, but showing less interest in the tapes' substance--"I guess I have to roll over again"--which more than hints at a coverup. All that activity is over in the House of Representatives. The Senate, meanwhile, has been in conversation with career U.S. Attorney Charles La Bella. The air has filled up the past 48 hours with attempts to delegitimize the weekend disclosure of Mr. La Bella's recommendation to Janet Reno in November that she appoint an independent counsel for campaign finance. Against these rationalizations, Senate Republicans should here follow the House's cue and play hardball. And with good reason. Janet Reno is using the independent counsel law as a shield. In fact, the Attorney General has always had the power to make such an appointment; this is precisely what was done during Watergate and Teapot Dome. The law was created to further enable such a decision, not to erect Ms. Reno's casuistical barriers. Kenneth Starr, for his part, exists as a court officer under that same law, appointed by a decision of the Attorney General and named by three federal judges. This office of independent counsel, in the course of its history, has met with Susan McDougal's contempt of a federal court (leading to a second indictment yesterday), with the White House's inability to disclose Rose Law Firm billing records that later just appeared, with former Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell's welshing on promised cooperation after pleading guilty to two felonies, and with at least three separate White House claims of privilege. Each of these is a large stone in the White House stronghold. The serial claims of privilege are especially egregious, given the context. To date, Judge Norma Holloway Johnson has kept Secret Service privilege and executive privilege litigation under seal. Defensible, perhaps, under normal circumstances, but set against the White House's record of suppression, we strongly think these proceedings should be open. On this page recently, attorney Douglas Caddy, who represented E. Howard Hunt and other Watergate plumbers, described how Judge John Sirica used outrageous sentences to compel co-operation, which is to say, compel the truth. We don't recall screams from civil libertarians then, recognizing we suspect that it takes a hardball to break a stonewall mounted by a President. One more point about then and now. Eventually in the course of Watergate, GOP politicians who cared deeply about the integrity of public institutions stepped forward and helped justice take its course. Where are such Democrats today? When a Congressional committee has received permission from Justice to immunize four useful witnesses, why is Henry Waxman able to get 19 Democrats to stand solidly in opposition, like a stonewall? NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. 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No Charge, it's FREE. ============================================= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 98 12:46:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: ED: Government Tracking Our Kids (fwd) On May 5, Jo wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >>From: "mynotes2u" >>Subject: Fw: Government Tracking Our Kids >>Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:15:00 -0700 > >>PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TRACKING YOUR KIDS >>(Maybe it's time you pull them out of public school!) >>by Cheryl Hymes >> >>For those of you who are concerned with the increase of government efforts >to use your Social Security Number to set up databases on law-abiding >>citizens, you will want to read the following document. It is the >"School-To-Work Data Collection Guide for teachers in Oregon, but it will >>apply to every state since the program is to be standardized across the >U.S. (It's part of the Goals 2000, Careers Act Workforce Partnership Act, >>School-to-Work federal education reform poison.) America's children are >being tracked in ways that have NEVER been attempted in the past. >> >>Note the tables on page one which link a child with a student ID (using a >Social Security Number) to county government and an employer ID. This >>student/school/government/employment tracking is to go on even AFTER the >student graduates. Tell me, how is this much different than the dossiers >that the communist government builds on every Chinese citizen that follows >them for life? Remember that Karl Marx said public education should be >tightly linked to labor/industry in the Communist Manifesto. Are we >>somehow different in America, if we link schoolkids to labor databases??? >>Remember that Marc Tucker, chief author of all the Goals 2000, OBE, and >School-to-Work education reforms (and close friend of Hillary Clinton) has >admitted that he is patterning his vision for education reform in the U.S. >upon the Soviet Union's polytechnical schools. >> >>A couple of sentences in this guide for educators stand out: >> >>"This ID (student tracking number --- SSN) will be used to input student >course information and for reporting data about the student in FUTURE years >>and must remain the same number (ID) over the years reported.... The SSN >should be verified against the student's SSN card to be sure it is correct. >>... The student may not be mandated to provide the SSN. (but an >alternative tracking number will still be assigned)" >> >>Students will also be coded for disabilities -- including "severe >emotional disturbances." This could really hamper future employment >opportunities to have such a code follow you. >> >>The time drain on teachers or school officials will be enormous. >School-to-Work mentorships or apprenticeships in this guide call for >anywhere from 5 hours per month per student to 35 hours per week per >student. (I guess school work will be extracurricular.) Can you imagine >the scheduling burden of finding employers and matching every teenager with >employers! When will kids learn history, algebra, chemistry, literature, >>creative writing, etc....? This program will rob time from teachers, >cheat taxpayers, and rob students of academic learning time. With >mandatory apprenticeships, the social tinkerers have just found a source of >free slave labor. >> >>My reaction: Just educate America's kids in school on academics. Don't >turn public schools into a bunch of government-personnel agencies with >databases on every student and employer. We'll find our own employment >without being monitored and tracked by the state. Get out of our lives, >Big Brother. >>If you have been accepting of Goals 2000 and OBE education reforms, wake >up. The bridge to the future is going to enslave our kids and they won't >even be eduated enough to realize it. >> >>Share the following attached document with friends who are not aware of >what education reforms are really doing. >> >>---------- >>> Subject: Re: STW Data Collection Guide >>> Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 5:33 PM >> >>Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora3\attach\9031.doc" >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Jackie Juntti >Washington Grassroots Email Network >idzrus@earthlink.net >messageboard: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb70701 > >Please join the discussion on these subjects on our new messageboard. >Attachment Converted: C:\CNMNET\EUDORA\9031.doc [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #126 *************************