From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #131 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, May 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 131 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:02:11 +0500 From: "Brad Alpert" <1911a1@gte.net> Subject: (Fwd) Permanent Brady Info From our friend, TJ Johnston: The ATF has published proposed regulations for the PERMANENT Brady Law. You may comment, but comments must be received before May 20. Don't guess. Download the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking and participate. http://www.atf.treas.gov/core/firearms/rules/notice857.htm Brad A. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:45:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: IP: Utah and U.S. Agree to Huge Swap of Land (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:47:54 -0500 From: believer@telepath.com To: believer@telepath.com Subject: IP: Utah and U.S. Agree to Huge Swap of Land Source: New York Times May 10, 1998 Utah and U.S. Agree to Huge Swap of Land By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SALT LAKE CITY -- Ending a debate over Utah trust lands that had simmered for six decades, Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt and Gov. Mike Leavitt announced an agreement that is being called the largest land swap in the history of the continental United States. The Federal Government will get 376,739 acres of Utah schools land sprinkled through national forests, parks and monuments and the mineral rights to other land. In exchange, Utah schools get $50 million in cash as well as minerals and 145,000 acres outside the parks and areas proposed for wilderness. Babbitt and Leavitt broke the deadlock on Friday after intense one-to-one negotiations. The deal is subject to the approval of Congress and President Clinton. Utah also is dropping two lawsuits against the Federal Government, one challenging Clinton's 1996 creation of the 1.7 million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in southern Utah and another seeking a ruling on the value of 240,000 acres of state trust land within Federal boundaries. Some 3.7 million acres of school trust lands speckle the state. The parcels were set aside when Utah gained statehood in 1896, with revenue from development of those lands earmarked for Utah's public schools. Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company - ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. - ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:20:12 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Canada Customs seizes books >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:06:29 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Canada Customs seizes books > >Monday, May 11, 1998 > > WorldNetDaily Exclusive > Canada Customs seizes books > Free speech proponent protests trend > > Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com > > "Canada's Customs censors have run amok," > says Paul Fromm, director of the Canadian Association > for Free Expression. > > Fromm is protesting the seizure earlier > this month by Canada Customs officials of 98 different > books, booklets and tapes. The material, valued at > $1,450 retail, was held up as potential "hate > propaganda." > > The seizure at the Chopaka border crossing, > west of Osoyoos, B.C., involved all books and tapes in > Fromm's car. Fromm had earlier in the week run a > meeting in the Okanagan, where the books were for sale. > He had later crossed into the U.S. to do some shopping > and sightseeing. The Customs officials agreed that he > was not "importing" these books and tapes and that they > were his personal/business property. > > The seizure included: > > - The Irish Fairy Tale Book: Myth and Romance from the > Old World > > - The Breakdown of the Criminal Justice System in > Canada by former B.C. Judge Les Bewley > > - The Evil Empire: Globalization's Darker Side by > former Liberal cabinet minister Paul Hellyer > > - Our Home or Native Land: What Government's Aboriginal > Policy is Doing to Canada by Melvin Smith, QC, a > constitutional adviser to four successive B.C. > governments > > - Stalking the Wild Taboo by Prof. Garrett Hardin, a > world reknowned ecologist from the University of > California at Santa Barbara > > - The Cult of the Victim by Prof. Ken Hilborn of the > University of Western Ontario > > - The Hate Crimes Law in Canada, 1970-1994: Effects and > Operation by lawyer Barbara Kulaszka, L.L.B., M.L.S. > > - Lebensraum by Dr. Ingrid Rimland, a trilogy telling > in novel form of the odyssey of German Mennonites > from Germany to Russia and then to the New World > over a 200 -year period. > > > The time it takes to examine titles can > extend to six months or more. > > "The arbitrary seizure of these books is an > outrageous affront to free speech and a severe business > hardship," adds Fromm. "I was grilled aggressively as > to whether or how I knew Bernard Klatt, a local > controversial Internet Service Provider." > > Fromm believes the Customs inspector was > motivated by an anti-German bias. "I was asked: 'Are > you related to Ernst Zundel?' I have an obviously > German name. Would I have been asked, were I Chinese, > whether I was related to Chairman Mao? I got the clear > impression that the thinking was: German equals Nazi. > Therefore, seize his books." > > Inspector Rece admitted he was no expert in > political or cultural literature. He indicated that the > authorization for the seizure had come from Stu Piggot, > his superior at the Customs and Border Service, > Okanagan and Kootenay Region, in Penticton, whom he had > phoned and consulted. > > "Sadly, Canada is becoming Cuba del Norte," > comments Fromm. "It's interesting that both Prime > Minister Chretien and House Speaker Gilbert Parent seem > inordinately fond of this communist dictatorship, which > offers its sorry people little freedom to read or to > express themselves. We seem to be moving in that > direction here. My mom and dad both volunteered and > served in the Canadian armed forces during WW II to > prevent this very sort of thing -- this book burning. > The behavior of Canada Customs is ignorant and a > disgrace to thinking men and women in a supposedly free > country." > > "Would-be dictators always go after books > -- ideas and art," says Fromm. "What most amazed me was > the bone-headed way the Customs' officers insisted on > seizing the Irish Fairy Tale Book. The one-eighth of me > that is Liverpool Irish remembers the old rebel song > 'They're Hanging Men and Women for the Wearing of the > Green.' In politically correct Canada, they're seizing > books of Irish fairy tales!" > > Founded in 1981, the Canadian Association > for Free Expression believes free speech and discussion > are essential to any functioning democracy. Freedom of > speech and freedom to express one's beliefs are > essential to human dignity. The Association, through > publishing, lectures, conferences and lobbying tries to > protect these basic human rights and to promote to the > maximum the Charter-guaranteed rights of freedom of > speech, freedom of belief, freedom of expression and > freedom of assembly. > >-- >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > Grove City, OH 43123 > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com >****************************************************************** > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:21:28 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Swiss Want To Join United Nations >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:05:42 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Swiss Want To Join United Nations > >Swiss Want To Join United Nations > > GENEVA (AP) -- The time has come > for Switzerland to become a full member of the United > Nations, the alpine nation's president said today. > > Because of its neutrality, > Switzerland has never been a member of the United > Nations. It does, however, take part in U.N. agencies > such as the 191-nation World Health Organization and > eventual U.N. membership is a declared aim of Swiss > foreign policy. > > Speaking today at the opening > session of WHO's annual meeting in Geneva, President > Flavio Cotti said the Swiss had learned of the > importance of international cooperation through its > membership in the U.N. health agency. > > ``It is therefore all the more > regrettable that (Switzerland) is not a full member of > the United Nations,'' Cotti said. > > Despite Cotti's endorsement today, > earlier plans for full U.N. membership have been > stymied by ``no'' votes on related issues in Swiss > referendums. > > In 1995, the government wanted to > send peacekeepers to U.N. operations, but the Swiss > people threw out the plan in a plebiscite. > > The Swiss appointed a committee > this month to canvas support for a referendum to amend > the constitution in favor of joining the United > Nations. Under Swiss law, 100,000 signatures on a > petition are enough to force a referendum. > > If the committee gathers enough > signatures and Swiss vote in favor of the move, > Switzerland could join the world body in 2000. > > AP-NY-05-11-98 1017EDT >-- >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > Grove City, OH 43123 > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com >****************************************************************** > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:32:51 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Hidden threats -- Part I >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:11:37 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Hidden threats -- Part I > >Geoff Metcalf > Exclusive commentary > > Hidden threats -- Part I > ------------------------------------------------------- > > =A91998, WorldNetDaily.com > > For several years now I have been getting all sorts of > wild reports about "Government Internment Camps." I > have generally dismissed these rumblings as classic > right-wing paranoia, extrapolation of facts not yet in > evidence, or creative writing. However, recently, > additional information has been revealed which lends > credibility to the myriad concerns which have been > expressed. Hey, even paranoids get chased. > > The U.S. Army director of resource management has > confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the > establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under > development by the Department of Army. The document > states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the > draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor > utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian > prison camps on installations." > > Civilian internment camps or prison camps, often > referred to as concentration camps, have been the > subject of much rumor and speculation during the past > several years in this country. Various publications, > Internet threads and some radio talk programs have > focused on the issue. > > However, I found it significant when Rep. Henry > Gonzalez, D-TX, clarified the question of the > existence of these civilian detention camps. In an > interview Hank said, "the truth is yes -- you do have > these standby provisions, and the plans are here ... > whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism > ... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put > them in detention camps." Heck, we did it before (to > Americans of Japanese descent), we could do it again. > > This is not anything new. This is not a partisan > Democrat/Republican, or Conservative/Liberal issue. It > may have just recently been actually acknowledged, but > it has a history. > > Most even modestly educated folks know that Hitler did > it, and Stalin did it. However, you should know that > the venerable Franklin Delano Roosevelt also developed > a plan for the United States. In fact, on Aug. 24, > 1939, ole FDR met with FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to > develop the detention plan for us. Five months later, > Hitler opened the Auschwitz detention center in > Poland. > > Hoover met with Attorney General J. Howard McGrath on > Aug. 3, 1948 to detail a plan whereby President Truman > could suspend constitutional liberties during a > national emergency. The plan was code-named "Security > Portfolio" and, when implemented, it would authorize > the FBI to summarily arrest up to 20,000 persons and > place them in national security detention camps. > Prisoners would not have the right to a court hearing > or habeas corpus appeal. "Security Portfolio" allowed > the FBI to develop a watch list of those who would be > detained as well as detailed information on their > physical appearance, family, place of work, etc. This > was long before sub-dermal bio-chip implants, retinal > scans and other biometrics. > > Two years later, Congress approved the Internal > Security Act of 1950. This pre-FEMA puppy contained a > provision authorizing an emergency detention plan. It > is real interesting that Hoover was not satisfied with > this law because it did not suspend the Constitution > and it guaranteed the right to a court hearing (habeas > corpus). For two years, while the FBI continued to > secretly establish the detention camps and work out > detailed seizure plans for thousands of individuals, > Hoover kept badgering Attorney General McGrath for the > official permission to ignore the 1950 law and move on > with the more aggressive 1948 program. > > As evidence that we have waaaay too many laws, codes, > rules and regulations, it wasn't until the Senate held > hearings in December of 1975 (25 years later) that it > was revealed the ongoing internment plan had never > been terminated. The report, entitled, "Intelligence > Activities, Senate Resolution 21," exposed the covert > agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony > by assorted government informants, the reality emerged > of the designs by the federal government (our > government) to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and > incarcerate a potentially large segment of American > society. That Senate report also exposed the existence > of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master > Arrest Warrant (MAW) which, by the way, are currently > STILL in force today. > > The MAW document, authorized by the attorney general > of the United States, directs the head of the FBI to: > "Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public > peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and > confined until further order." Please note the > language, "Whom I deem dangerous." Who might a Janet > Reno choose to arbitrarily and capriciously "deem > dangerous"? Constitutional Conservatives? Patriots? > Conservative Republicans? Radio Talk Show Hosts? Joe > Farah and everyone on the administration's enemies > list? > > The MSW also instructs the FBI director to "search > certain premises where (1) it is believed that there > may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or (2) > other materials in violation of the Proclamation of > the President of the United States. It includes (3) > such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving > sets, cameras, propaganda materials, printing presses, > mimeography machines, membership and financial records > of organizations or groups (4) that have been declared > subversive, or may hereafter be declared subversive by > the Attorney General." > > I added the numbers for ease of the following: > > 1. "it is BELIEVED that there MAY be" -- Hell-o?!?!? > No probable cause needed. Just Because. Because > they can by brute force. > 2. "other materials in violation of the Proclamation > of the President of the United States" -- Huh? > Proclafreakingmation?!?!? > 3. "such items as firearms ..." -- The EXACT reason > we have the Second Amendment is to preclude this > kind of neutering. The framers WANTED us armed to > prevent abuse of power under the color of > authority. > "shortwave radio receiving sets" -- Silence the > critics, and deny INFORMATION to the people. > "cameras" -- To prevent the dissemination of > abuses of power? > "propaganda materials" -- Like Thomas Paines' > "Common Sense" or a contemporary WorldNetDaily. > "mimeography machines" -- Expect that to turn > into fax machines, computers and modems. > 4. "that have been declared subversive, or MAY > hereafter be declared subversive by the Attorney > General." -- In other words, "facts which > contradict the administration's preconceived > opinions" or anything which does not conform with > the politically correct government sanctioned > view. > > Geoff Metcalf can be heard Monday-Friday on: > KSFO, 560AM in Northern California. > His web site and newsletter information is at: > http://www.ksfo560.com/Personalities/GM.htm > E-mail Geoff at:metcalfksfo@earthlink.net > ------------------------------------------------------- > > See more of Geoff Metcalf's columns > Go to the front page of > [Image] > =A91998, Western Journalism Center >--=20 >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > Grove City, OH 43123 > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com >****************************************************************** > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:16:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: IP: Washington Bought Off by High Tech Firms, Says U.S. Border Control Chairman (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:31:35 -0500 From: believer@telepath.com To: believer@telepath.com Subject: IP: Washington Bought Off by High Tech Firms, Says U.S. Border Co= ntrol Chairman=20 Source: PR Newswire Washington Bought Off by High Tech Firms, Says U.S. Border Control Chairman= =20 WASHINGTON, May 11 /PRNewswire/ -- U.S. Border Control Chairman Edward Nelson accused the Congress of selling out to Silicon Valley high tech industries who wish to hire cheap foreign labor rather than hire fully qualified American workers. "Follow the money," says Nelson. "This is American politics at its ugliest -- politicians taking payoffs to vote a certain way, regardless of the consequences." "The high tech companies want to use cheap foreign labor instead of hiring Americans so they can increase their profit margins. So they hire a big Washington PR firm to pitch their story; they buy a Senator or two to hold the hearings and, bingo, Americans lose their jobs, tens of thousands of foreigner workers get visas; the rich get richer; and the American taxpayer picks up the tab." "When Bill Gates says 'Jump,' people like Senate Immigration Subcommittee Chairman Spencer Abraham say 'How High?' Or at least that is how it must appear to anyone who has watched the sham hearings on H1-B where the multi-billion dollar software giants used totally unsupported data to build their claims that there are no high tech workers in America and they must be allowed to hire more foreign workers to fill these 'high tech' slots. "Their claims of shortages are total fabrications; their claims that the job slots they need to fill require extensive specialized training are lies. Many of these so-called high tech slots could be filled by American h= igh school graduates or certainly those who had completed a basic computer programming course at one of the technical training schools." "Anyone who has ever used Microsoft Windows knows Bill Gates isn't hiring rocket scientists to develop his software programs." Nelson chided.= =20 "And what will happen to these foreign workers after a few years? They get laid off; thrown onto the pile of American unemployed while Microsoft, Cypress Semiconductor and all the other high tech giants hire more foreigners, buy more Senators, further corrupting the country that made their successes possible." Increasing the H1-B quotas so more immigrants can come here to take American jobs will also make it more difficult to find jobs for those Americans coming off welfare and it makes it easier for companies seeking to get rid of their older workers, violating all of our age discrimination laws.=20 "Americans like to believe that their elected officials have some integrity; that they could never be 'bought off.' But this sorry episode demonstrates that our elected officials will do anything, if the price is right." Edward Nelson, Chairman of U.S. Border Control, announced that the votes for H1-B will be used in its annual vote rating of the Congress. "The American voter deserves to know which politicians are making life better for Americans and who are destroying our country." Action on H1-B will take place in the House on Tuesday or Wednesday when it is taken up by the full committee. U.S. Border Control is a non-profit organization dedicated to reforming America's border and immigration policies. SOURCE U.S. Border Patrol CONTACT: Lyle Ryter of U.S. Border Control, 202-661-4707, fax, 202-478-0254, or e-mail, ryter@usbc.org Web Site: http://www.usbc.org =A91998 PR Newswire. - ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only.=20 - ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:54:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Sidney Blumenthal, Clinton supporter - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- "When we practice one nation politics, we make the nation. When we make the future, we honor our true past." Excerpt from http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/~ksgpress/ksg_news/transcripts/blumenthal.htm From a speech by Sidney Blumenthal April 23 1998 at the JFK School of Gov't at Harvard Univ. BEGIN EXCERPT And now I will be more responsive to the question about Mr. Starr. We are plunged, at least in Washington, into a politics of defamation, a consuming world of innuendo, false witnesses, allusion, leaks, and smears. The abuse of the Office of the Independent Counsel by Kenneth Starr is a transparently disguised attempt to destroy this presidency. The original intent of the Office of the Independent Counsel was to remove it from politics. But Starr is profoundly political in his intent. The problem is not simply the largesse from Richard Mellon Scaffe , the eccentric, right-wing billionaire, Starr's numerous conflicts of interest, ideological and financial, his speeches at Pat Robertson's university, his alliances, brazen alliances, with individuals determined to inflict whatever damage they can on the President. It is not simply that he has assembled a crew of prosecutorial pirates with lengthy records of prosecutorial abuse, and installed a chief deputy, Hickman Ewing, a religious fanatic, who has proclaimed that he operates from a presumption of guilt. It is not simply that Ken Starr has jettisoned the language of law, speaking now of defilers of the temple, the apocalyptic rhetoric of a zealot on a mission divined from a higher authority. The ultimate problem is that, in his fervor, he is waging an assault on American rights, that he has engaged in an anti-Constitutional destructiveness. He assaults freedom of speech and the right to petition the government. He has attempted to impose his very own sedition act. He abuses the grand jury to act out his personal temper tantrums and harass critics. He leaks with abandon, in violation of grand jury rules, criminal rules, and legal tradition. He uses the instruments of intimidation and smear without restraint. Ken Starr is a figure whom the framers sought, in their design, to have rendered impossible, an inquisitor of unlimited, unchecked power. Starr, however, lacks any skepticism about his own certitudes, or even any sense of his unfamiliarity with criminal law. His lack of knowledge of the Constitution is glaring. His doctrine that the First Amendment is concerned with the truth is precisely the doctrine the First Amendment was enacted to prevent. But Starr is sure he knows the truth and that he should be its judge. His self-righteousness, his insecurity, his partisanship, his breath-taking hypocrisy, have fueled an onslaught on rights that is unethical, illegal, and always political. Now he has appointed himself grand inquisitor for life. Ken Starr is on an endless quest, if not for vindication, then of vindictiveness. But I am certain that in historical retrospect this perverse episode will be viewed in its proper perspective, as Jefferson viewed the alien and sedition acts, in his words, "a reign of witches." When we stand for liberty at home, we gain respect for ourselves around the world. There is an indissoluble link between the cause of democracy in our own country and abroad. "Let us," John Quincy Adams admonished, "not be unmindful that liberty is power." This was also an admonition for responsibility, for those in a democratic government to use it to forge a social compact of general improvement that extends liberty. When we practice one nation politics, we make the nation. When we make the future, we honor our true past. Thank you. (applause) - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:49:39 -0400 From: jim hofmann Subject: CAS: Sid critiques Reno around the fringes Excerpt from Sidney Blumenthal's April 23 1998 speech to the JFK School of Gov't at Harvard Univ. http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/~ksgpress/ksg_news/transcripts/blumenthal.htm Questioner: Good evening, sir. My name is Tom Cotton. I'm a senior at the college. I have two questions, both pertaining to Mr. Starr. First, although you did not say the words in your speech this evening, you seem to be implying that Mr. Starr, as Mrs. Clinton has said, is a member of a vast right-wing conspiracy. I was wondering if Democrats Janet Reno and Eric Holder, who referred the matter to Starr, asked the matter to be referred to Starr, as well as Democrats Monica Lewinsky and Kathleen Willey, have somehow been subverted by this right-wing conspiracy? And, second, you had claimed, or you accused, Mr. Starr of unethical, immoral behavior, and I was wondering if you consider it especially moral or ethical for you, as a paid member of the White House staff, by taxpayer funds, to be defending President Clinton on private charges, or, I presume, alleged conduct which led to these ... (inaudible) as a private, not public, matter? Mr. Blumenthal: The only grounds on which Ken Starr can bring a case against the President is abuse of office. Those are public grounds. That's a torturous question, but if you're asking if I believe that there's a vast, right-wing conspiracy, there's certainly-- It's not something on which I have a theory, but only suggest facts. And I certainly think that the role of the Scaffe money ought to be looked into. It's now a question, one small part of it, that has lapped up on the only witness in the case. Ken Starr himself has numerous ties to the Scaffe operation. It's undeniable. He quit Pepperdine because it was funded by Scaffe. He's been associated with a number of groups that are funded by Scaffe. The <<<<< Independent Women's Forum, for which he wrote an amicus brief <<<<< on behalf of Paula Jones, which he never completed when he <<<<< assumed his office of independent counsel, in and of itself, it <<<<< ought to have been grounds for not taking the office under a sense <<<<< or prudence and propriety. In itself, it is a conflict of interest. <<<<< There are other groups, as well, Federal Society , funded by Scaffe, and so on and so forth. I mean, you can go through this sort of schematic list. Is there a right-wing? Absolutely. Is it out to get the President? Absolutely. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Sidney Blumenthal, Clinton supporter Last week's Weekly Standard made an issue of this speech by Blumenthal in their top editorial. Their recomendation was that both Blumenthal and Starr work for the Executive (Clinton) and Clinton must either fire Starr or fire Blumenthal, because allowing Blumenthal to engage in this type of diatribe amounts to obstruction of justice if untrue or grounds for dismissing Starr if true. This isn't over. The recent indictments of the Hubbells indicate to me that Starr is very serious and behaving like a real prosecutor. My opinion is that Hubbell's reneging on his cooperation under immunity was a critical point in the Starr investigation and it looked like Starr flubbed it. With these recent indictments it looks like Starr has remade himself and *will* pursue Hubbell for his non-cooperation. A good sign. The whole Susan McDougal folk-hero bit is wearing thin too. "Just answer the questions." ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 98 11:21:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Alert! Heritage River fiasco (fwd) Well, there goes our Fishing and Hunting..... On May 12, Josh Amos wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Please pass this on! Josh >Subject: Heritage River fiasco > >I am sending an Alert on the American Heritage Rivers Initiative that Pres. >Clinton will select the first 10 rivers to be in the program on May 13. >Once he puts them into the program the communities that are affected cannot >get out. It is a land grab and the President is using his Executive powers >to do it. It will affect all the communities that are next to the rivers >and watersheds. In other words the land next to the land. There will be Non >Governmental Agencies controlling the water and land, and that will affect >farming, fishing, hunting , and living in those areas. They will set up >river navigators and even your local Indian tribes will have control. They >can also use satellites to monitor if communities and people comply. Only >communities that can get 2 U.S. Senators and Supervisors opt to get out. >Please call Senators and Congressman to oppose this land grab. > >Good hunting, > >Delbert > >Western Fish and Wildlife Federation, Inc. >"Wolves or Watchdogs, it's hard to say from which the sheep have most to >fear" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:45:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: IP: The impending Starr report (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Maher, Steve (SD-MS)" To: Ignition-Point@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: The impending Starr report The din is rising in Congress as Democrats scream for the removal of Dan Burton as head of the committee investigating campaign finance abuses; and for Newt Gingrich to withdraw from any role in investigations if/when the results of Ken Starr's investigations are brought before the House as required by the Independent Counsel statute. They claim as their excuse, the release of the index into the Hubbell prison tapes. It's good to see they haven't lost their sense of humor. Burton's committee, of course, had released the entire set of tapes to reporters, at the same time as the index. Those reporters did what they thought best: released the index while saying nothing about the complete set of tapes the index referred to. And the Dems immediately jumped on the chance, doing one of their usual pretzel twists and announcing that release of the index was a deliberate attempt to distort the contents of the tapes-- pretending that the tapes were somehow secret or unavailable. Then, to top it off, instead of excoriating the reporters who did the selecting, they announced that it was *Burton* who was trying to do the distortion! Thus they continue their usual tactics, of trying to kill off anyone who starts approaching the truth about their agenda or techniques-- while carefully not addressing the facts brought up by those leaders, pointing out extensive corruption of the screamers' operations in campaign finance, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, etc. Isn't this a hoot? It's a blast to see these poor simps tripping over their own feet, spinning out lies as hard and fast as they can, in hopes that people won't find the truth. The issue, of course, is not Dan Burton or Newt Gingrich, despite the numerous attempts by the leftist extremists to make it look that way. The issue is the stonewalling and obstruction of investigations started by the Justice Department, by the Clinton Administration-- and, of course, the stated disavowal of the Chief Executive of his sworn duty to carry out and enforce the laws of the country. Let them scream all they want-- when has there ever been a criminal who didn't voice opposition to the cop or detective whose job it was to find out what illegal activities he's been engaged in? Some things never change. Today we have the farce of the news media pretending that the criminals (whoever they are) attempts at derailing the investigations into their conduct, have the same legitimacy as the attempts of the investigators themselves to do their jobs, in an effort to make it look like there is some sort of horse race going on here, which would sell more newspapers (of course!). But, ultimately, it's won't make much difference. The silence maintained by Ken Starr (required by law) will be broken soon when he releases his report and finally gets a chance to answer (or, more often, ignore as they deserve) the accusations of the screamers and criminals on the left-- with facts, evidence... and, ultimately, convictions. Steve Maher "...there is something profoundly demeaning and destructive, to have the White House systematically undermine an officer of the Department of Justice." - Newt Gingrich, April 27, 1998 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #131 *************************