From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #139 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 139 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 May 98 01:34:31 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: on National Socialism.... and America (fwd) On May 26, EdgarSuter wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 May 98 00:54:38 -0000 From: philgraf To: "Coast Writers Syndicate attn: Phil " Subject: Nazi (Liberal) Mind-Set In America TWENTIETH CENTURY BODY COUNT Governments: 360,000,000 (and counting) Ted Kennedy's driving: 1 Militias: 0 The Nazi Mind-Set in America from The Future of Freedom Foundation August/September, 1994, by Jacob G. Hornberger Before the end of World War II, in 1944, Friedrich A. Hayek, who was later to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science, startled the Western world with a book entitled "The Road to Serfdom". Hayek argued that despite the war against Nazi Germany, the economic philosophy of the Nazis and communists was becoming the guiding light for American and British policymakers. In a later forward to the book, Hayek wrote: "But after the war broke out I felt that this widespread misunderstanding of the political systems of our enemies, and soon also of our new ally, Russia, constituted a serious danger which had to be met by a more systematic effort. Also, it was already fairly obvious that England herself was likely to experiment after the war with the same kind of policies which I was convinced had contributed so much to destroy liberty elsewhere... Opinion moves fast in the United States, and even now it is difficult to remember how comparatively a short time it was before "The Road to Serfdom" appeared that the most extreme kind of economic planning had been seriously advocated and the model of Russia held up for imitation by men who were soon to play an important role in public affairs...Be it enough to mention that in 1934 the newly established National Planning Board devoted a good deal of attention to the example of planning provided by these four countries: Germany, Italy, Russia, and Japan." As the fiftieth anniversary of the end of World War II approaches, Americans must ask themselves a troubling question: Did Hayek's concerns become reality - have Americans, in fact, traveled the road to serfdom the past fifty years? Or, to put it another way, did the Nazis lost the military battles but win the war for the hearts and minds of the American people? Consider, for example, the Nazi economic system. Who can argue that the American people do not believe in and support most of its tenets? For example, how many Americans today do not unequivocally support the following planks of the Nationalist (Nazi) Party of Germany, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920: "We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living." "The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ...an end to the power of the financial interests." "We demand profit sharing in big business." "We demand a broad extension of care for the aged." "We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments." "In order to make possible every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents..." "The government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor...by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth." "[We] combat the...materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before The Individual Good." I repeat: How many Americans today do not unequivocally support most, if not all, of these Nazi economic and political principles? And if there is any doubt whether the Nazi economic philosophy did, in fact, win the hearts and minds of the American people, consider the following description of the Nazi economic system by Leonard Peikoff in his book "The Ominous Parallels:" "Contrary to the Marxists, the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of the means of production. They did demand that the government oversee and run the nation's economy. The issue of legal ownership, they explained, is secondary: what counts is the issue of control. Private citizens, therefore, may continue to hold titles to property - so long as the state reserves to itself the unqualified right to regulate the use of their property." What American objects to these principles of the Nazi economic system? Don't most Americans favor the planned economy, the regulated economy, the controlled economy? Don't most Americans favor the type of economic controls, and the right of government to institute such controls, that characterized the Nazi society: wage and price controls, high taxes, government-business partnerships, licensing, permits, and a myriad other economic regulations? The truth is that Hayek's warning was ignored. Having defeated the Nazis in battle, Americans became ardent supporters and advocates of Nazi economic policies. Why? Part of the answer lies in another feature that was central to the Nazi way of life: public schooling. "Oh, no! You have gone too far this time," the average American will exclaim. "Public schooling is a distinctively American institution - as American as apple pie and free enterprise." The truth? As Sheldon Richman documents so well in his book, "Separating School & State," twentieth-century Americans adopted the idea of a state schooling system in the latter part of the nineteenth century from - you guessed it - Prussia! And as Mr. Richman points out, public schooling has proven as successful in the United States as it did in Germany. Why? Because it has succeeded in its goal of producing a nation of "good little citizens" - people who pay their taxes on time, follow the rules, obey orders, condemn and turn in the rule-breakers, and see themselves as essential cogs in the national wheel. Consider the words of Richard Ebeling, in his introduction to "Separating School & State:" "In the hands of the state, compulsory public education becomes a tool for political control and manipulation - a prime instrument for the thought police of society. And precisely because very child passes through the same indoctrination process - learning the same "official history," the same "civic virtues," the same lessons of obedience and loyalty to the state - it becomes extremely difficult for the independent soul to free himself from the straight jacket of the ideology and values the political authorities wish to imprint upon the population under its jurisdiction. For the communists, it was the class struggle and obedience to the Party and Comrade Stalin; for the fascists, it was worship of the nation-state and obedience to the Duce; for the Nazis, it was race purity and obedience to the Fuhrer. The content has varied, but the form has remained the same. Through the institution of compulsory state education, the child is to be molded like wax into the shape desired by the state and its educational elite. We should not believe that because ours is a freer, more democratic society, the same imprinting procedure has not occurred even here, in America. Every generation of school-age children has imprinted upon it a politically correct ideology concerning America's past and the sanctity of the role of the state in society. Practically every child in the public school system learns that the "robber barons" of the 19th century exploited the common working man; that unregulated capitalism needed to be harnessed by enlightened government regulation beginning in the Progressive era at the turn of the century; that wild Wall Street speculation was a primary cause of the Great Depression; that only Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal saved America from catastrophe; and that American intervention in foreign wars has been necessary and inevitable, with the United States government required to be a global leader and an occasional world policeman." This brings us to the heart of the problem - the core of the Nazi mind-set: that the interests of the individual must be subordinated to the interests of the nation. This is the principle that controls the minds of the American people, just as it controlled the minds of the German people sixty years ago. Each person is viewed as a bee in a hive; his primary role in life is to serve the hive and the ruler of the hive, and to be sacrificed when the hive and its rulers consider it necessary. This is why Americans of our time, unlike their ancestors, favor such things as income taxation, Social Security, socialized medicine, and drug laws; they believe, as did Germans in the 1930s, that their bodies, lives, income, and property, in the final analysis, are subordinate to the interests of the nation. As your read the following words of Adolf Hitler, ask yourself which American politician, which American bureaucrat, which American schoolteacher, which American citizen would disagree with the principles to which Hitler subscribed: "It is thus necessary that the individual shall finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of this nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole; that pride and conceitedness, the feeling that the individual...is superior, so far from being merely laughable, involve great dangers for the existence of the community that is a nation; that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." Even though the average American enthusiastically supports the Nazi economic philosophy, he recoils at having his beliefs labeled as "Nazi." Why" Because, he argues, the Nazi government, unlike the U.S. government, killed six million people in concentration camps, and this mass murder of millions of people, rather than economic philosophy, captures the true essence of the Nazi label. What Americans fail (or refuse) to recognize is that the concentration camps were simply the logical extension of the Nazi mind-set! It does not matter whether there were six million killed - or six hundred - or six - or even one. The evil - the terrible, black evil - is the belief that a government should have the power to sacrifice even one individual for the good of the nation. Once this basic philosophical premise and political power are conceded, innocent people, beginning with a few and inevitably ending in multitudes, will be killed, because "the good of the nation" always ends up requiring it. Political killings of innocent people could never happen in America, our fellow citizens tell us. America is a democracy. But so was Nazi Germany. Hitler was popularly elected, and his economic policies were widely favored and acclaimed (by Germans and Americans). But there is another basic problem with that assertion: it is happening here in America. And like the German people of the 1930s, Americans either refuse to see it happening, or they rationalize what is happening so that they do not have to deal with it. Now, it is true that the killings do not number in the millions - but they certainly do number, so far, in the thousands. Let's take some examples. The Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas: U.S. Army tanks and gas were used against peaceful, religious, well-armed people. More than eighty Americans, including children were gassed and burned. And is there any remorse - any regret - any independent governmental investigation into this massacre? Not on your life. The government officials, just like their Nazi counterparts, think they did "the right thing" in killing our fellow citizens. And for those of you who look to the judiciary for protection, you had better look elsewhere: the federal judge who presided over the trial of the Waco survivors declared that he would not permit the government to be "put on trial," and then slapped forty-year sentences on the Branch Davidian survivors. Or take Randy Weaver, his wife, and son, of Idaho. First, they were set up on an idiotic gun charge. (Weaver sold a shotgun that was a quarter of an inch too short, at the request of a U.S.. government agent.) Then, they sent Weaver a notice of a wrong trial date. When he failed to appear, they surrounded his house and attacked. A government sniper shot his unarmed wife in the head with a bullet as she was holding her baby. And they shot Weaver's son in the back. Then, at Weaver's trial, they fabricated evidence and committed perjury. Fortunately, Weaver was acquitted. But have any criminal charges been brought against the government agents for the murder of Weaver's wife and son? Did the federal judge in the case even cite the agents for contempt for their reprehensible conduct? Well, did the Nazi government ever bring charges against the SS? Did Nazi judges ever punish Nazi officials for killing Jews? Government officials killed Donald Scott, a millionaire rancher in California. They claimed that they needed to barge into his house in the middle of the night to look for marijuana. And when Scott obeyed their order to lay down the gun he had picked up in his fear of the intruders, they shot him dead. And it later turned out that they hoped to find marijuana so that they could confiscate his land and convert it to a national park. But Americans either look the other way, the way the Germans did, or they rationalize what is happening by saying, "The war on drugs has gotta be won." And it is not just killings. Just as the Nazis did, they are confiscating people's money, land, boats, cars - anything they can get their hands on. No longer do they need to depend only on taxes for their revenues - they just go grab the money and property directly and keep it, regardless of the guilt or innocence of the victims. And, of course, it's all rationalized because "the war on drugs has gotta be won." And it's not just confiscation. It is also terror - the terror of the Internal Revenue Service agents barging into people's homes, "visiting" them at work, and levying liens on bank accounts and real estate without notice, hearing, or other semblance of due process. Yes, it's true - we are not dealing with the killings and mass confiscations and infliction of terror on millions of people. It is happening only to several thousands. But that's today. What happens in a crisis? Suppose an American ruler decided he is not going to get "pushed around" by the ruler of North Korea, Haiti, Panama, Iraq, or Japan? What happens if a war is not over in a few weeks, but instead drags out into months, even years, with higher taxes, more controls, and...conscription? What happens if Americans, who are already being taxed 50 percent of their incomes, now find taxes at 70 or 80 percent? What happens if there is a massive tax strike in which millions refuse to pay their taxes? What happens if hundreds of thousands of American students refuse to be drafted by a president who refused to be drafted? Will the government meekly surrender? Will it simply agree to lose "international face"? Not on your life. The Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the army will simply turn their massive powers against the leaders of the tax revolt and as many of its followers as possible. And they will do whatever is necessary to teach those "draft-dodging cowards" a lesson. The American people will learn what the German people learned: that the omnipotent state that loves the poor and the needy will remove its velvet glove and use its iron fist to smash those who interfere with the "good of the nation." Let's look at some more examples of the Nazi mind-set in America - this time in the Department of the Army. The army conducted nuclear radiation experiments on American soldiers. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army conducted drug experiments on American citizens. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army conducted disease experiments on the American people. Why? Because the good the nation required it. The army herded innocent Americans of Japanese descent into American concentration camps. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army entered into joint ventures with German Nazis at the end of World War II. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. In other words, in the past, U.S. government officials have engaged in evil. Nazi-like conduct for the "good of the nation." Would they do so again? You can bet your life they would, if the "good of the nation required it", and even it if entailed the violation of every single restriction on government power set forth in the U.S. Constitution. There is nothing inevitable in all this. Through the power of ideas, we can reverse the trend. If ideas did not matter, governments would not try to suppress ideas. Ideas do matter; they do have consequences; they do influence people into acting, into changing, into reversing course. But the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment - the right to speak, to write, to disseminate ideas - are not sufficient. The ultimate safeguard against the ultimate tyranny lies instead with the right to bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment. If this Amendment is destroyed or severely constricted, the rest of the Constitution becomes worthless, because in a crisis in which their power base is threatened, and in which there are no means of forcible resistance, government officials will squash the things they view as "technicalities" - free speech, habeas corpus, trial by jury, and the other rights guaranteed in the Constitution. Combine a crisis with a disarmed, discontented citizenry, and the concentration camp for hundreds of thousands becomes a real possibility. But when the citizenry, together with various patriotic sheriffs, police, and members of the armed forces, have the means to inflict severe casualties on their potential oppressors, tyrants think twice before they try to oppress their own citizens too heavily. That is why every single effort to restrict or control or manage the ownership of guns must be resisted. The ultimate barrier to the ultimate tyranny lies not with the ballot box. It lies not with the soapbox. It lies not with the jury box. The ultimate barrier to the tyranny of one's own government lies with the cartridge box. Contrary to everything our rulers tell us, and everything that our schoolteachers are teaching the children of this nation, the biggest threat to the lives and well-being of the American people lies not with some foreign government. The biggest threat to the American people lies with the United States government. And while gun ownership stands as a barrier to potential, Nazi-like behavior, the long-term solution is to dismantle, not reform, the iron fist of the welfare state and the controlled economy. This includes the end (not the reform) of the IRS, the DEA, the BATF, the SEC, the FDA, HUD, the departments of HHS, Labor, Agriculture, and Energy, and every other agency that takes money from some and gives it to others or interferes with peaceful behavior. It entails the repeal of all laws that permit such conduct. And it means the privatization of most of the bureaucrats who work for the U.S. government. But it also entails the end of potential oppressors, who, in the past, have shown no reluctance to engage in evil, malicious, illegal, Nazi-like conduct against American citizens, such as the CIA and the standing army. Would this mean that the U.S. government would not be permitted to act as the international Roman emperor? That is exactly what it should mean. But what about threats of invasion of the United States? Such threats are virtually nonexistent. But if every single citizen if free to arm himself to the teeth, any nation contemplating invasion would know that attacking the United States would be like swallowing a porcupine. What about a quick mobilization? There would be no reason why citizen-soldiers would not quickly mobilize in the event of an emergency. For example, suppose that the standing army is disbanded. The members of the 82nd Airborne Division would not simply disappear. They would become private, productive citizens, but ready in times of peril to answer the call. They could be, and probably would be more than willing to be, at any location in the country within 24 hours. Moreover, there would be a doubly positive effect in terms of economic prosperity. No longer would taxes have to be sucked out of the pockets of private citizens to support the armed forces. And the members of the armed forces, now privatized, would now be economically productive members of society. In his book "The Road to Serfdom," Friedrich Hayek warned Americans in 1944 that despite their military war against the Nazis, they were traveling the philosophical and economic road that the Nazis and the communists were traveling. Our grandparents and parents ignored Hayek's warning. Now, we are left with the consequences; a government of omnipotent size and power using its power to kill innocent, peaceful citizens and confiscate millions of dollars of property to feed its insatiable hunger for more power. Today, the number of victims is in the thousands. But at the end of this road lie the concentration camps for the multitudes. Can the tide be reversed? Can the omnipotent state be dismantled, rather than simply reformed? Yes. It will take a return to first principles - the principles on which this nation, not Germany, were founded: principles that hold that it is the individual, not the collective, that is supreme; that each individual has been endowed by his creator with inalienable rights; that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any government, including the American government, becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute a new government; and that no individual - his life, liberty, or property - shall ever be sacrificed for the good of the nation. As Ayn Rand put it thirty years ago in her essay, "The Fascist New Frontier": "If you wish to oppose [statism], you must challenge its basic premises. You must begin by realizing that there is no such thing as "the public interest" except as the sum of the interests of individual men. And the basic, common interest of all men - all rational men - is freedom. Freedom is the first requirement of "the public interest" - not what men do when they are free, but that they are free. All their achievements rest on that foundation - and cannot exist without it. The principles of a free, non-coercive social system are the only form of "the public interest." Such principles did and do exist. Try to project such a system. In today's cultural atmosphere, it might appear to you like a journey into the unknown. But - like Columbus - what you will discover is America." - - - -- - - -- - - -- - - -- - - -- - - -- - - -- - - -- - - - "What is truly amazing is that the majority of our intellectual class has already embraced the basic tenets of fascism; and the common man is the only stumbling block to the imposition of tyranny. The common man has read the handwriting on the wall, and he is banding together in militias or otherwise to stand as one to fight that which would suppress American liberties." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 98 01:35:27 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: Prozac Implicated in Oregon School Shooting] (fwd) On May 25, sabutigo@teleport.com wrote: >Can anyone supply any information on the other shootings where Prozac was >involved? Suggest you look at the following URL/addr first. A couple of studies were mentioned, too, but not referenced. Otherwise you allready have everything I got at the moment. If I come up with anything else, I'll post it. >>http://www.Vigo-Examiner.com >>Enjoy a free 90 day trial subscription to The Vigo Examiner. >>You will recieve one to three of our top stories or editorials >>each day. Send your subscription request, and all other >>communication to Editor@Vigo-Examiner.com. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:44:39 -0700 From: Boyd Kneeland Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: Prozac Implicated in Oregon School Shooting] (fwd) I want it to be perfectly clear to everyone that my message was intended neither to criticize people who suffer from depression (far from it!) or to comment in any way on the danger or efficacy of prozac. My simple 6 line message (for wich I've gotten about as much flaming as I am going to take, frankly) said I didnt' think the argument was a good tactical move in the fight for freedom. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, perhaps entering a controversial medical debate is the best hope for freedom. Please understand what I was trying to say though. Boyd (jeez one light hearted message...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:55:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Ha Ha Margolis on China Gate (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:50:56 -0700 From: Jack Perrine To: JAck@minerva.com Subject: Ha Ha Margolis on China Gate X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.prophetserv.com: majordom set sender to owner-foreignc@foreigncorrespondent.com using -f Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com To: foreignc@foreigncorrespondent.com Subject: ForeignCorrespondent ATTENTION ALL CHINESE MISSILE SHOPPERS! Sender: owner-foreignc@foreigncorrespondent.com Reply-To: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com Foreign Correspondent Inside Track On World News By International Syndicated Columnist & Broadcaster Eric Margolis ATTENTION ALL CHINESE MISSILE SHOPPERS! By Eric Margolis 24 May 1998 WASHINGTON DC - The scandal-ridden Clinton White House looks like the `Jerry Springer Show,' Newt Gingrich observed last week. It certainly does. Where else but on the Springer slimefest could you see such a collection of tawdry characters: fan dancers, thieving bankers and shyster lawyers; con-men and bunko artists; Chinese arms and drug dealers; dragon ladies; bagmen; and the exquisite Paula Jones. Plus. grand panjandrum of Washington influence peddlers, the late Ron Brown; chunky bar bouncers turned White House `security' consultants; red-neck bribesters from Arkansas; a Svengali-like friend of Bill, the most powerful chicken farmer since Heinrich Himmler; a gaggle of high Administration officials facing jail; Clinton's alter ego, porcine crook, Web Hubbell; Al Gore's money-laundering Buddhist monks; and unforgettable fellatrice, Monica Lewinsky. Americans, particularly women, shrug off this parade of sleaze. It's either too complicated, or who cares about ethics when the economy is on a roll. The Clinton Administration's counter-attack team, led by Ozark swamp-creature James Carville, has excelled in discrediting critics, and silencing witnesses by intimidation, or offers of government jobs. Clinton's lapdog attorney- general, Janet Reno, dutifully blocks investigations into Administration wrongdoing. But a very nasty scandal broke into the open last week that political Houdini Clinton will find harder to escape than Lewinsky's lips. Even his staunchest defenders have run for cover. Johnny Chung, a Chinese-born California businessman , gave at least $100,000 to the Democratic Party for President Clinton'' 1996 re-election campaign. Chung was one of many Asians (read Chinese) who donated millions of dollars to the Democratic Party, and to Clinton. In exchange, they got access to the White House, hugs and photo ops with Clinton - and favors. Republicans claimed Beijing was buying influence with the Administration by sneaking money to the Democrats. Federal investigators have just identified the first solid link between China and the White House. They discovered Chung's $100,000 came directly from the Chinese Army intelligence, via Lt. Col. Liu Chaoying, daughter of China's highest-ranking defense official charged with development of missiles. Soon after the White House accepted Chinese money, an amazing coincidence occurred. Clinton ordered loosening of export controls on missile and satellite technology to China, overruling strong opposition from the Pentagon and State Department. `Loral,' an important, highly secretive aerospace firm run by CEO Bernard Schwartz, was allowed to sell formerly classified technology to China. So, to a lesser degree, was defense contractor, `Hughes Electronics.' Schwartz is reportedly the single largest contributor to the Democratic Party. He went to China with Clinton's chief bagman, Ron Brown, closed the satellite deal, and then gave the Democrats US $1.1 million. Just another coincidence, of course. Secret US technology passed to China as a result of these shady deals. Though supposedly for civilian satellites, the dual-use technology has already helped China improve the accuracy and reliability of its nuclear-armed ballistic missiles targeted on the US. Beijing spent its bribe money wisely - for a few millions it got advanced military technology worth 50 times more. Another curious coincidence. `Loral's' military division was a leading contractor for US intelligence agencies. US military sources have alleged for years that Loral illegally passed top secret American electronic warfare technology to Israel. CEO Schwartz is a major supporter of Israel. Loral denies these claims. Israel has become a prime supplier to China of western military technology, particularly aerospace systems. The Pentagon has long grumbled that Israel sells classified US technology to China - notably the Patriot missile, counter- measure systems, and phased- array radar - in violation of US law. Israel denies it. Efforts to investigate these charges have been blocked by the White House and Congress. Unlike all the other Clinton scandals, this time it won't be easy for the White House attack dogs to maul accusers. The FBI has an evidence trail leading direct to Beijing. This is too explosive for the usual Clinton double-talk - a possible major breach of national security. Even Clinton's tame Justice Department may not be able to stonewall the investigation. Many nations practice industrial/technological espionage. A KGB source in Moscow told me recently that 70% of all the Soviet Union/ Russia's modern military technology had been stolen from the west. China is no different. Nations, including the US, obtain technology by bribery or blackmail. But this is the first time I know of that a foreign power may have managed to directly manipulate the presidency. The only other case was in 1944, when Soviet intelligence had two major agents of influence in Franklin Roosevelt's White House. Maybe it's all just an incredible coincidence. Maybe Bill Clinton really did take time off from feverish fund raising for his re-election campaign to carefully evaluate and assist China's problem-plagued space program. Perhaps all those stacks of crisp $100 bills from Chinese visitors to the White House were really only to help Clinton with his well-known passion for chicken-fried rice. Slippery business deals and cash-stuffed envelopes are part of Arkansas political culture. You can buy anything and anyone down there, including the governor. We are now beginning to see what happens when small-town Ozark chicanery is writ large in Washington. Interestingly, the astute Chinese understood this fact long before the American public. 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On May 26, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I've been home sick most of today, but I did manage to see some afternoon Issues Talk Program, or something like that on MSNBC at about 2:00 pm EST today. I was in a stupor, so forgive the sketchiness. But, on that talk show, about the Oregon Shooting, were four panelists--the official VP for Media Relations for HCI, (whatever her name was), the senior MSNBC Legal Analyst, and two other panelists. The VP for Media Relations (again, I forget her name amongst all the emergency trips to the bathroom) got consistently hammered by the other three panelists and the host for trying to make Oregon, and the other school shootings a gun control issue. None of the panelists were pro-gun by any means, but all three kept slapping that HCI rep down with statements such as "But even banning all guns won't fix anything. Even if you take guns away from angry, messed-up kids, you still have angry, messed-up kids who want to kill. They'll just use bombs, or baseball bats, or some other weapon." Looked like HCI's one-message Harpie was getting hammered pretty well. I managed to grin a bit in between the dry heaves. Roy Hill [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 98 15:45:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: MSNBC (fwd) It's a little early to say anything about the Media yet, but we can allways hope..... On May 26, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I've been home sick most of today, but I did manage to see some afternoon Issues Talk Program, or something like that on MSNBC at about 2:00 pm EST today. I was in a stupor, so forgive the sketchiness. But, on that talk show, about the Oregon Shooting, were four panelists--the official VP for Media Relations for HCI, (whatever her name was), the senior MSNBC Legal Analyst, and two other panelists. The VP for Media Relations (again, I forget her name amongst all the emergency trips to the bathroom) got consistently hammered by the other three panelists and the host for trying to make Oregon, and the other school shootings a gun control issue. None of the panelists were pro-gun by any means, but all three kept slapping that HCI rep down with statements such as "But even banning all guns won't fix anything. Even if you take guns away from angry, messed-up kids, you still have angry, messed-up kids who want to kill. They'll just use bombs, or baseball bats, or some other weapon." Looked like HCI's one-message Harpie was getting hammered pretty well. I managed to grin a bit in between the dry heaves. Roy Hill [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #139 *************************