From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #166 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 166 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:48:32 -0500 From: Chuck Scanland Subject: National (health) ID I surprised I've not seen a lot more commentary on this issue on ROC. Don't know where ya'll live but it was front page news in the Houston Chronicle yesterday. And the New York Times. Discussions on a national ID for healthcare purposes are now being held in Chicago. Proponents argue that adequate safeguards for privacy can be put in place under such a scheme. Don't know about everyone else, but _my_ social security card has the "Not for Identification" notice on it, and we now know how that worked out (tried to get a drivers/fishing/hunting license recently?). No matter what they tell you today, the rules can be changed any time there's "reasonable" justification to do so. I'd say about now would be a good time to let your elected reps hear how you feel about this national ID program - it's finally got people's attention, and according to one source, it's getting a rather "cool reception." Let's bury it. Chuck Scanland Spring, Texas ================================================================ It appears that the cardinal sin in the view of the wimp culture is that of being "judgmental." The only way to avoid being judgmental is to have no principles. We were given our brains in order to make judgements, and that includes value judgements. Values, by definition, are valuable, so by all means let us be judgmental! Jump into the argument and win! Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, 7/98 ================================================================ "The desire to order other people around and make them conform to one own's vision takes many forms." - Thomas Sowell Which emphasizes the great difference between those of us who are activist gun owners and other "extremists" who devote themselves to causes. Unlike the zealots who agitate for other causes, from tobacco bans to bunny hugging, we shooters have no wish to push other people around. Our major desire is that they leave us alone. It is odd that nobody has mentioned that difference before. Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, 7/98 ================================================================= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 10:00:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: New CA PRO-GUN lawsuit! (fwd) On Jul 20, Chris BeHanna wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] On 20 Jul 98 at 17:27, Mueller, Robert wrote: > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2555122173-b48 > > > 07:31 PM ET 07/17/98 > > California dealer sues over ``racist'' handgun tax > > > SAN LEANDRO, Calif. (Reuters) - The largest gun dealer in > northern California filed suit Friday claiming that a new city > tax on sales of concealable handguns was ``racist'' > discrimination against young black men. > Traders Sports demanded that San Leandro roll back the three > percent tax voters approved by a 53-to-47 percent margin in > June. THIS IS GREAT! Does anyone have an address to send checks to help defer Traders' legal costs? It is so rare that a dealer actually stands up for us, that, IMHO, we should encourage and help those who do. Regards, Chris BeHanna NJ-RKBA List Administrator PGP 2.6.1 public key available behanna@syl.nj.nec.com kore wa NEC no iken de gozaimasen. http://www.users.fast.net/~behanna Lon Horiuchi, give yourself up! Gun control is the rapist's greatest ally GUNS SAVE LIVES [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:50:07 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: U.S. Contemplates Training Chinese Special Forces One wonders who would/will be training whom and to do what. Confiscate gu= ns maybe. Maybe seize property under forfeiture laws? Or the fine points of running down civilians with tanks? How to Supress all opposition to the ruling elite?=20 - ------ Global Intelligence Update Red Alert July 21, 1998 U.S. Contemplates Training Chinese Special Forces In response to a question at the routine U.S. Department of Defense news briefing on Thursday, July 16, Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon confirmed that the U.S. may consider joint Special Forces training with China. Bacon was asked to "comment on comments today by the commander of the U.S. Special Forces Command that some future joint training with Chin= a would be desirable... Is the Defense Department involved in promoting any such future linkup?" Bacon responded, "In a broad sense, we're looking a= t future military exchanges with China. I'm not aware of any specific look right now at Special Forces operations, but that certainly would be a typ= e of military exchange we would consider. We have agreed since 1996, December of =9196, to explore new ways of improving cooperation between t= he United States and China; new ways of getting our militaries to work together more smoothly in training or other types of missions, and we wil= l continue." The questioner was referring to comments made by U.S. Special Forces Command chief General Peter Schoomaker. Schoomaker had told reporters th= at he thought joint training with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) was "desirable." Said the general, "You need to engage so you develop rappor= t and understanding and have another method of dialogue. What we would encourage is low-level contact at the small-unit level that allows us to.= .. develop trust and confidence that then brings in higher level people." Schoomaker said that Admiral Joseph Prueher, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, had been discussing the idea. During President Clinton's recent visit to China, the two countries reach= ed a reciprocal agreement in which officers from each country would observe certain military exercises of the other. China has reportedly already se= nt observers to the six-nation Rim Pac exercises off Hawaii, and is schedule= d to send observers to the five-nation Cope Thunder exercises in Alaska lat= er in July. In a more active relationship, the U.S. Air Force and Coast Gua= rd will participate with PLA and Hong Kong authorities in search-and-rescue exercises in December. The idea that the Clinton Administration could be considering an arrangement in which the U.S. Special Forces would train the PLA is staggering. The Administration has faced intense criticism of its China policy, from its decision to extend China's Most-Favored Nation trade status to Clinton's visit to Beijing. Considering the PLA's abysmal and very public record in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Tiananmen Square, the Administration's consideration of a plan to train the PLA in unconvention= al warfare shows questionable political judgement at best. The move could almost be seen as a direct slap in the face to those who would question t= he Administration's China policy. There can be little justification for the exchange from a military standpoint either. The Chinese do not need U.S. training in unconvention= al warfare techniques. We learned from them. Perhaps the proposal is a cov= er for a technology transfer. It could also reflect a U.S. hope that the situation would offer an intelligence-gathering opportunity. But China i= s not so clumsy as to allow any information gathered through the joint operations to be worth the bad public relations the U.S. can expect. The message this proposal sends to Taiwan, Japan, and China's other neighbors can only cause them concern, but perhaps the message is aimed a= t China itself. The only rational justification we can find for U.S. Speci= al Forces training of the PLA is as part of an attempt to maintain good relations with Beijing. Perhaps the Administration hopes that, through exchanges such as this, the U.S. can forestall the emergence of a wholly anti-American sentiment in Beijing and the emergence of an anti-American regional hegemon. Considering the state of China's economy, and our determination that it is destined for economic and social collapse, we believe that this is a vain hope. In its efforts to hold itself together in the face of economic calamity, China will need a scapegoat, and the prime candidate for that role is the U.S. _______________________________________________ To receive free daily Global Intelligence Updates or Computer Security Alerts, sign up on the web at http://www.stratfor.com/mail/, or send your name, organization, position, mailing address, phone number, and e-mail address to alert@stratfor.com ___________________________________________________ STRATFOR Systems, Inc. 3301 Northland Drive, Suite 500 Austin, TX 78731-4939 Phone: 512-454-3626 Fax: 512-454-1614 Internet: http://www.stratfor.com/ Email: info@stratfor.com The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution.=20 ---Doug McKay" =20 Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:55:30 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: MI: The Emperor Wears No Clothes Anyone know what she's talking about??? >X-Sender: league@mindspring.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) >Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:32:00 -0700 >To: defense@mindspring.com >From: Nancy Lord Johnson >Subject: MI: The Emperor Wears No Clothes > >Something is missing from the recent news from up north. The facts. >Please send this on to anyone who is acting or talking based on >bad info. > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Before you pack up your gear and head for Michigan, just a few >Q's and A's: > >The gentleman who served the warrants that (supposedly) started >this thing appeared on short-wave recently. He was serving warrants >for the _Defense_ on a murder case, for a man who was a friend of >the recipient. That recipient apparently did not want to testify. >So he allegedly pulled a gun. That's what the assault charge was about. > >Yes, they were on his property. But they were not from the >government and really were there to help -- the accused, their >client. > >Question 1. Why would someone not want to testify for a friend > charged with murder? > >1) Your testimony might hurt him. The solution for this is to explain >it to the guy's lawyer. That usually takes care of it. > >2) Your testimony might hurt you. Statements like "I take the 5th" >can result in another trial, with a new defendant -- you. The >solution for this is to pull a gun and go underground. That might take >care of it. > >Think about this. Please. > >Anyone familiar with me or these parties should know that we are not >on good terms and I have no confidential information to disclose to >you or anyone. What I know everyone knows. Including the feds. >Including the locals. > >Which brings me to question number two: > >Question 2. Why have neither the feds nor Michigan explained this publicly > to avoid a deadly confrontation with one or more "patriot" > rescue teams? > >1) (There is only one on this one.) They don't want to. They want >some van-full of morons to show up at the jailhouse with a pile of >big guns. After the shoot-out, after another 16 people are held on >charges, they will release the fact that this was not about "property rights" >This was not about the Second Amendment. > >It was about the Sixth Commandment, "Thou shalt not kill." It was >about a material witness on a murder case who did not want to testify. > >At DOJ in Washington, they are licking their chops. The SPLC and the >ADL will have fun with it too. And we will lose whatever progress we >have made over the past few years. > >Right now somebody else is on the run. The Bad Guys. You heard >about Clinton's executive order to abolish the 10th amendment being >rescinded? A 1.6 trillion dollar tax reduction? They are trying very >hard to look like nice guys before anymore people get wise. Everyone >knows about Y2K and the National ID. Gun consfiscation is never going >to fly. Clinton may actually be impeached. Social security >is finally on the chopping block. This is not saying we are out of the >woods, but we are getting there. > >So throw it all out for some guy whose idea of a good disguise is orange >hair. Who did not bother to travel the 30 or so miles to the Canadian border. >Who the cops admitted they would never have questioned if he had not taken >off running as soon as he spotted them. > >Just because he was a big-name short-wave host who told you about the >black helicopters. > >Anybody home? > >For those who want to send back reams of criticism for posting this, >send it to defense@mindspring.com. > >Nancy Lord Johnson > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 21:40:54 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Long John Silver's (fwd) On Jul 22, Grubb, Ken wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] CB> Lb> It has come to my attention that the Long John Silver's CB> Lb> restaurant in Franklin, PA. has a sign on its entrance CB> Lb> forbidding the carrying of firearms into the store. CB>Not sure about corporate policy but the one I ate in last week CB>near San Antonio, TX didn't have such a sign. One near me in My Jammy doesn't have such a sign. However, drop 'em an Email and ask 'em whether they know at the corporate HQ about the policy of their store in Franklin, PA. http://www.ljsilvers.com/comments.htm Politely ask them to sway the franchisee in Franklin, or gun owners nationwide may look elsewhere for a quick bite at a fast food joint. Point out the liability both the franchisee and LJS corporate might incur should someone become injured or dead because they were disarmed in the Franklin, PA store. Ken Grubb Miami, FL [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 21:43:59 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: OPEN letter on STW! (fwd) On Jul 22, Jo wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The following is a copy of a letter from State Representative Sam Rohrer of Pennsylvania to the citizens of Ohio regarding School To Work (STW). STW is being implemented in Minnesota as aggressively as in any other state. It works hand in hand with the Profile of Learning. The two together are one system of education. Many of you are involved in local STW committees. I am sending this in full text also linking to the home page where it can be found directly. Other reference web pages follow on the subject for your further reference, if you are interested. Julie Quist ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Open letter to citizens of Ohio: http://www.fessler.com/rohrer.html [Letterhead] House of Representatives Commonwealth of Virginia, Harrisburg Samuel E. Rohrer, Member November, 21, 1997 Dear Citizens of the State of Ohio: I write to you as a former Ohio resident, graduate of an Ohio public school and now an active member of the Pennsylvania House of Education, Labor and Appropriations Committees. I am a conservative, a businessman for 16 years before entering public office, and an elected official who believes in America as a representative republic. Throughout this nation, including the State of Ohio, there is currently being implemented a massive restructuring of the educational and employment systems. To a great extent, the average citizen is unaware of the comprehensive changes this restructuring will bring to them, their children and their jobs. As an elected representative to the House of Representatives in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I feel a great duty to the people to make available all information possible to allow them the opportunity to make a truly informed decision. At issue is School-to-Work and the accompanying programs it incorporates. If I would not have studied, researched, and talked with hundreds of people on the topic of STW, Goals 2000, Medicaid in the schools, labor development plans, and traveled the world many times over while in business, I may have found some of what certain opponents have said about School-to-Work hard to believe. However, that is not the case. Not only do I agree with the concerns as expressed by such noted individuals as Phyllis Schlafly and State Board Member Diana Fessler, as a legislator I can add the perspective of how the process of promoting School-to-Work violates my view of freedom in this American republic. My reasons for not only questioning but opposing School-to-Work are as follows: 1.STW is deceptively promoted to the a) public; b) to legislators; c) to business and labor alike. STW is being promoted as an advanced version of our traditional vo-tech educational program. It attempts to usurp the good will and success of existing vo-tech programs and even to fraudulently take credit for their success. In reality, while STW includes a vo-tech component it is deceptive to lead the public and the legislators to assume this narrow equation. STW will destroy most current vo-tech programs by usurping the decision-making regarding vocational choices from the local school and place it with the various labor boards, regional forecasters and governmental directives. STW is being promoted to business and employers as the answer to the obvious academic and skill deficiencies of the current high school graduates. Employers are being fraudulently led to believe that under-skilled laborers can be corrected by a "high-tech" "TQM" national program "bench-marked" to "world-class" standards. This may sound good, but that's all. The problem today is kids aren't taught how to read, and they are taught moral relativism that produces kids with high self esteem but bad moral character and deficient academic preparation. STW in none of its components addresses with of these root problems. As a result, business is fooled into accepting a cleverly disguised government program that mandates yet more costly business controls. 2.The history of School-to-Work and its ultimate design is covered up or at best not discussed. If the average STW participant know the historical genesis of STW and its ultimate mature design they would turn and devour the program. That is why the proponents work very hard at hiding the fact that STW is modeled after the Marxist and German models. When fully implemented, STW and its accompanying program will result in a "total managed economy" while all employment and educational decisions are made by someone other than the parent, child, employer, or educator. Few like to talk about the orchestrated components of the National Governors Association and Goals 2000, OBE, Title I funding, Medicaid, and the U.S. Labor Department SCANS. Proponents have tried to fool legislators into thinking these programs are not federally directed. Even the Pennsylvania Governor's top policy advisor insisted to me sometime ago, that STW had absolutely no relationship to Goals 2000 or OBE even though they had just signed a contract with the federal government that makes the connections crystal clear. 3.The STW implementation strategy violates the principles of a representative republic and the Separation of Powers. In state after state, the executive branch (Governor's office) consistent with their pact to support Goals 2000 etc. have pursued federal monies, signed away valuable state sovereignty rights and entered into binding contracts without involving the General Assemblies. By violating the constitutional process, the necessary scrutiny afforded legislative and public debate has been preempted. Across this nation, legislature after legislature has witnessed a gross violation. The expanded authority that STW and other contracts place in the Governor's office to distribute the dollars and implement public policy according to the contract is dangerous, foolish, and unconstitutional. Every Governor that embarks on this process violates his constitutional oath! The executive branch is to enforce the law not make the law! No one who claims to be a conservative can support such violations. In fact, the failure to recognize such violations in this situation is an even greater travesty. 4.Goals 2000 and STW violate the constitutional prohibitions against Federal government. Although the federal government has been increasingly involved in education within the states, this involvement nonetheless violates the Constitution. For the very reasons the founding fathers expressly disallowed federal involvement in state prerogatives, Goals 2000 and School-to-Work are now a problem. While some people obviously argue the benefits of federal involvement, this begs the question. For any conservative to reach out and embrace a federal plan and somehow think state officials will craft their own unique plan for their state is either willingly ignorant or deceived. Every Goals 2000 state will conform to the terms of the contracts they have signed and Ohio will too. The federal strings are long and strong. 5.STW aggressively attacks the foundation of parental control and local control. At the heart of my concern and all constitutional conservatives is the issue of control. America is not Germany, Japan, Russia, or China. We have been the nation of freedom, the world's most blessed representative republic. We are not a democracy. We were never designed to be anything other than a nation in whom the power was vested in the people and with whom a contract identifying the rights of the people are defined in a constitution which defines the scope of government. The very nature of Goals 2000 and STW and most other federal government programs attack the very essence of who we are. When combined with the organization of the STW program and the violations of Constitutional prohibitions, control is usurped from the people. All those who participate in such moves are therefore guilty of what our founding fathers called treason. It is this basic change in control that identifies the major problems with STW and Goals 2000. Decision making for education, vocational choices, and life decisions must be kept at the local level with parents and their assigns. This federally directed program strikes at the heart of this authority and if for no other reason is why every American let alone a true conservative demands rejection. In conclusion, if you are like some people with whom I have talked, you may think that Ohio is somehow unique. You may say that since you have not yet seen any Ohio student "job matched" or students judged as "human resources", that STW does not have an agenda. All I can say is that you are only looking at "the baby." The baby will grow up. When it does, it will look just like its parent and we don't have to go too far to see it! (I.e., recent articles in Newsweek, Businessweek) Citizen of Ohio, you should know that the goal of education is not solely employment. The employer and business is not the customer of education. The goal of education is to fully equip the young person in the basic academic foundations and when combined with moral instruction to produce an individual who best glorify his Creator. The parents who possess the responsibility of education are the customers. It is only the parent who legitimately sits in the driver's seat. For the sake of freedom and the continuance of this nation as we have known it, please consider these concerns before embracing the School-to-Work agenda. Sincerely, Samuel E. Rohrer State Representative 128th Legislative District SER:jjc [House Box 202020, Main Capitol, Room 423, South Office Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120-2020, Phone: (717) 787-8550] e:mail: mclabaug@locrscs.LEGIS.STATE.PA.US "The Coming Collision" http://www.fastlane.net/~eca/stwcollision.html Tennessee's experience with STW: http://www.eagleforum.org/~eagle/educate/1997/july97/tn_stw.html Concerns of Parents: http://www.fastlane.net/~eca/stwparents.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 22:24:00 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: SECRET SERVICE REPORTS COCAINE USE IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!! (fwd) On Jul 22, State Citizens Service Center wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:56:39 -0700 From: American Patriot Friends Network Reply-To: APFN@netbox.com Organization: American Patriot Friends Network To: "\"apfn@onelist.com\"" , "\"APFN\"" Subject: SECRET SERVICE REPORTS COCAINE USE IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!! SECRET SERVICE REPORTS COCAINE USE IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!! If you have Real Audio on your computer, click on this must hear link. KIEV: George Putnam show Jack Cristy segment from the USA Radio Network 5:42 minutes Subject: White House Communications Agency (WHCA) Paging Brief Transcript Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:46:48 -0600 From: "David E. Parsons" Organization: N/A To: American Freedom Network This is a record of White House pager traffic. Did you know that it was possible to hack into something like this? See Free Republic: http://www.inch.com/%7Eesoteric/pam_suggestion/output.html WOW! hot stuff...... pass it on!!! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 09:40:14 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: [announce@lp.org: Release: Legalizing Caesar Salad] (fwd) On Jul 24, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I found this amusing :-). Bill - -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere. The best thing about space travel is that it made it possible to go elsewhere. -- Robert Heinlein Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 23:22:49 PDT From: announce@lp.org Subject: Release: Legalizing Caesar Salad To: announce@lp.org (Libertarian Party announcements) - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- =============================================== NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 =============================================== For release: July 23, 1998 =============================================== For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676@Compuserve.com =============================================== California decriminalizes Caesar salad and Libertarian Party cheers "victory" WASHINGTON, DC -- California decriminalized the sale of Caesar salad this week -- and it's not a moment too soon, the Libertarian Party said today. "When you outlaw Caesar salad, only outlaws will eat Caesar salad," noted the party's Director of Communications, Bill Winter. "That's why, on the issue of Caesar salad, we Libertarians have always been pro-legalization." Selling Caesar salad became a crime last year when California legislators passed a new health law banning the sale of food that used raw eggs as an ingredient. Unexpectedly, the law included Caesar salad, which uses uncooked eggs in its unique dressing. Restaurant owners and fans of the popular salad were outraged. The outcry convinced state legislators to file a new bill to cancel the criminal status of Caesar salad -- and, presumably, end what might have become a flourishing black market in contraband romaine lettuce, raw eggs, and Parmesan cheese. The bill, signed into law by Governor Pete Wilson on Monday, has Libertarians cheering -- but a little surprised. "We have to compliment California legislators for their rare display of good sense," acknowledged Winter. "Although we're a bit surprised that they were courageous enough to toss the Caesar salad law entirely." Libertarians had expected politicians to take a more timid, gradual approach, said Winter, perhaps... * Implementing a five-day waiting period for Caesar salad, so the government could do a medical background check for raw-egg allergies. * Legalizing only "medical Caesar salad" -- whereby people with a vitamin deficiency could get a doctor's permission to buy a small amount of Caesar salad for their own personal use. * Launching an anti-Caesar salad TV advertising blitz, perhaps with a commercial showing a frying pan, and then showing a frying pan with a raw egg in it. The voice-over could be: "This is your brain. This is your brain on Caesar salad." * Allowing only adults, 21 and over, the right to buy Caesar salad, on the grounds that it may be an adolescent's gateway-salad to stronger stuff, like macaroni salad or three-bean salad. But Libertarians say they are delighted with the bold, unexpected victory over the "Just Say No to Caesar Salad" lobby -- and argue that it's a win for libertarianism and the American way of life. "We support the Constitutional right of every American to keep and bear a Caesar salad -- or, rather, to eat and buy a Caesar salad," said Winter. "All joking aside, it's a setback for those political eggheads who think they have the right to micromanage every aspect of our lives -- down to the type of salad we buy in a restaurant. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 14:08:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Here they come again :-/ Word on the Radio is that someone got a pistol past the Capitol Police, and has wounded 5 people over on the Senate side of the White House. THere's an Ambulance on the scene, but so far it doesn't sound like we're going to get lucky on this one, no matter how it turns out. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 08:02:09 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Judge Orders $100,000 Gun Collection Destroyed >Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:29:15 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Judge Orders $100,000 Gun Collection Destroyed > >Source: San Francisco Chronicle >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/1998/07= /24 >/MN2793.DTL > >S.F. Judge Orders Contested $100,000 Gun Collection Destroyed > Owner fought chief of police to return trove from '93 raid=20 > Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer=20 >=20 > Friday, July 24, 1998=20 > > A San Francisco judge yesterday settled the long > feud over the $100,000 gun collection of a > politically connected muffler shop owner, ruling that > the weapons must be destroyed.=20 > > But Superior Court Judge Jack Berman also > rejected the state attorney general's arguments that > Norman Young had intentionally misled the court in > trying to get his guns back after being convicted of > weapons violations.=20 > > The war over the collection had pitted Young, who > owns Discount Muffler on 11th Street, against > Police Chief Fred Lau, who insisted on destroying > the guns.=20 > > ``It was never personal,'' Lau said yesterday. ``The > main thing is we have taken some guns off the street > -- I don't know whether you consider this a win, > lose or draw.''=20 > > Young has a history of involvement in local politics. > He has donated thousands of dollars in recent years > to candidates for mayor and the Board of > Supervisors, and he was an organizer of a > Democratic Party fund-raiser during the 1996 > presidential campaign sponsored by the Lotus > Fund, an Asian American political action > committee.=20 > > Young contributed to District Attorney Terence > Hallinan's 1996 election campaign and donated > $6,500 toward Hallinan's inauguration party.=20 > > Hallinan's office did not take a position in the legal > wrangling, but state Attorney General Dan > Lungren's office filed court papers claiming that > Young was abusing the system.=20 > > The dispute began in 1993 when Young was > arrested and charged with possessing illegal > weapons. A police raid on his home uncovered > more than 100 guns and rifles, a dozen of them > unlicensed and illegal.=20 > > Young was later was found guilty of felony > weapons violations, but in 1994, his conviction was > stayed pending appeal. Berman had ordered the > collection destroyed, but the order was not carried > out because of the appeal.=20 > > Last year, Young petitioned the court and had the > felony charges reduced to misdemeanors, saying he > had fulfilled the terms of his probation. The attorney > general questioned the claim, saying probation had > never been imposed and that Young had misled the > court.=20 > > Meanwhile, Young won permission from Berman > to get his guns back. Lau refused to hand them > over, claiming that Young had not shown a formal > court order.=20 > > Young sued Lau, claiming that officers were firing > off his guns for fun on the police-shooting range. > Young lost.=20 > > Yesterday, Berman ordered the guns destroyed but > also ruled that the muffler shop owner had > complied with all laws -- proof in itself, he said, that > Young had fulfilled his probation sentence.=20 > > The judge rejected a request by Young's attorney > that the guns become a ``Peace Sculpture'' in > Chinatown to commemorate victims of Tiananmen > Square.=20 > > But all in all, attorney Terry Goggin said, Young > considered the ruling ``a great victory.''=20 > > James Quadra, a private attorney who recently left > the city attorney's office, said the ruling ``supports > the city's position all along, that Mr. Young was not > entitled to have these guns returned to him.''=20 > > Of the probation issue, Quadra said, ``I think the > guy skated.''=20 > >=A91998 San Francisco ChroniclePage D8 >--=20 >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > P.O. 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