From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #169 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, July 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 169 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 23:08:53 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: Simple Rules (fwd) On Jul 29, Dave Workman wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This I had to share: >From: "Dave Hood" >Subject: FW: Simple Rules >Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:55:28 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > >1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. > >2. Memorize your favorite poem. > >3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all > you want. > >4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. > >5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye > >6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married > >7. Believe in love at first sight. > >8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. > >9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's > the only way to live life completely. > >10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. > >11. Don't judge people by their relatives. > >12. Talk slow but think quick. > >13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, > smile and ask, "Why do you want to know?". > >14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve > great risk. > >15. Call your mom. > >16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. > >17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > >18. Remember the three R's: > Respect for self; > Respect for others; > Responsibility for all your actions. > >19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > >20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate > steps to correct it. > >21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in > your voice. > >22. Marry a man/women you love to talk to. As you get older, > his/her conversational skills will be as important as any >other. > >23. Spend some time alone. > >24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > >25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > >26. Read more books and watch less TV. > >27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and > think back, you'll get to enjoy it a second time. > >28. Trust in God but lock your car. > >29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all > you can to create a tranquil harmonious home. > >30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current > situation. Don't bring up the past. > >31. Read between the lines. > >32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > >33. Be gentle with the earth. > >34. Pray -- there's immeasurable power in it. > >35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. > >36. Mind your own business. > >37. Don't trust a LOVER who doesn't close his/her eyes when you > kiss them. > >38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > >39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others > while you are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. > >40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a > stroke of luck. > >41. Learn the rules then break some. > >42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love > for each other is greater than your need for each other. > >43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to > get it. > >44. Remember that your character is your destiny. > >45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 23:06:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: National bio-ID Card (fwd) On Jul 29, BRIAN BECK wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------------NetAddress--cgdaBK2483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Use search criteria 3945 in the "DocketID" and up will pop a list. Item one is the proposed rules which MUST be opposed.We only have until Aug 3 to get our comments in. WE GOTTA KILL THIS THING. When I was in DC last week at the DOT/NTSA HQ, they had only received 200 letters of opposition! This is a giant step towards huge, intrusive and abusive government. You can bet gun owners will be some of the first victims of its application. http://dms.dot.gov:70/owa_dms8/owa/hitlist1 The following is also enclosed as a plain text file - ------------------- Sample letter in opposition to the biometric ID card. Use it for ideas or use it as is. (Please reformat the text so that the entire lettere fits on two pages, add your name at the top, sign at the bottom, and MAIL by AUGUST 1, 1998) July 29, 1998 Docket Management, Room PL 401 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Nassif Building 400 Seventh Street, S.W. Washington, D.C. 20590 Re: Docket No. NHTSA-98-3945 / DOCID:fr17jn98-28 23 CFR Part 1331: Proposed Rule: State-issued Driver's Licenses and Comparable Identification Documents. To Whom This May Concern: Please ad my name to the growing list of Organizations and Americans who are opposed to this back- door attempt to establish a National Bio-Metric Identity Card. The proposed rules you have written affect the lives of all law abiding Americans and will remove protections guaranteed to all Americans by the United States Constitution. I agree with the objections to the Proposed Notice of Rule Making as submitted in writing by other concerned Americans and would demand that these proposed rules be thrown out and be redrafted to ensure that protections guaranteed to all Americans by the United Stated Constitution are enshrined as part of the rules. 1. Remove the requirement for a Social Security Number to be part of the Drivers License. The SSN by federal law was never intended to be a personal identifier. The proposed rules arbitrarily limit the right to obtain a driver's license to those with a SSN and possessing a SSN has nothing to do with the ability to operate a motor vehicle. If the SSN is a requirement to obtain a Drivers License, then only persons who have a SSN will be allowed to drive. The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number to live and work in the United States, nor does the Social Security Act require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one. 2. Remove the requirement for a digitized Fingerprint to be part of the Drivers License. 3. Remove the requirement for a digitized Voice Analysis as part of the Drivers License. 4. Remove the requirement for a digitized Retinal Scan as part of the Drivers License. I am firmly opposed to the concept and the gathering of personal bio-metric information by any governmental agency and believes such personal bio-metric information should never be ntroduced into the public domain by usage on identification documents. Americans have the constitutional right to travel and this right is protected by both the United States Constitution and the Constitution of all 50 states as verified by existing case law. The proposed rules negate these rights, and as such, are unconstitutional. I specifically object to the rules requiring the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators be consulted. The AAMVA is a multi-national special interest group and this multi-national special interest group will enrich itself financially if the rules as written are passed. If State Motor Vehicle Administrators access the SSA to confirm SSNs through online access operated by the AAMVA subsidiary, AAMVAnet Inc., as indicated on Page 22 of the Preliminary regulatory evaluation, then the AAMVA and it's subsidiary stand to enrich itself financially at great monetary cost to American taxpayers. Any proposed rules should have a identified spending cap applied to the total amount charged American Taxpayers. Moreover, on Page 22 of the Preliminary Regulatory Evaluation, two Memorandums of Agreement are referred to, yet are not part of the proposed rules. Prior to any rules being adopted, all documents relating to AAMVA; it's subsidiary AAMVAnet Inc and AAMVA's Unified Network System should be made part of the public record and any proposed rules. Documents from the AAMVA; it's subsidiary AAMVAnet Inc.; and AAMVA's Unified Network System, that should be made part of the public record include, but are not limited to, any Memorandums of Understanding with the Social Security Administration or any State Motor Administrations; Memorandums of Agreements with the Social Security Administration or any State Motor Administrations; any Articles of Incorporation; any Non-Profit Articles of Incorporation; any IRS 501 C3 statements or applications; Business ame Statement as filed with the local county clerk; all organizational documents; all legal documentation relating to the principal officers, treasurer and identity of members; the physical street address of the AAMVA, it's subsidiary AAMVAnet Inc., and AAMVA's Unified Network System; the Uniform Identification Practices Model Program as referred to on Page 6 of the Preliminary Regulatory Evaluation; along with details and identities of the Driver Licensing and Control Uniform Identification Working Group as formed by the AAMVA . Privacy and protection of information passing through any proposed computer systems is of paramount concern to me. I believe the AAMVAnet prohibitions on computer information as identified on Page 22 of the Preliminary Regulatory Evaluation are insufficient and should be strengthened. Federal statues and fines should be included or attached to any misuse of information obtained by AAMVAnet. Moreover, heavy emphasis should be on an identified audit trail regarding the use of any bio-metric computer information and stiff federal and civil penalties should be applied and written into the rules for any violation of Federal, State or Local laws. Finally, I believe this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking violates the very fabric of the United States Constitution and the entire Notice of Proposed Rulemaking serves no useful purpose to the citizens of the United States of America. The entire Bio-Metric National ID Card concept as proposed by the AAMVA and the Department of Transportation / National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should be discarded to protect the privacy of all Americans. Sincerely, - ------------NetAddress--cgdaBK2483 Content-Type: text/plain; name="bio-ID.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="bio-ID.txt" Sample letter in opposition to the biometric ID card. Use it for ideas or use it as is. (Please reformat the text so that the entire lettere fits on two pages, add your name at the top, sign at the bottom, and MAIL by AUGUST 1, 1998) July 29, 1998 Docket Management, Room PL 401 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Nassif Building 400 Seventh Street, S.W. Washington, D.C. 20590 Re: Docket No. NHTSA-98-3945 / DOCID:fr17jn98-28 23 CFR Part 1331: Proposed Rule: State-issued Driver's Licenses and Comparable Identification Documents. To Whom This May Concern: Please ad my name to the growing list of Organizations and Americans who are opposed to this back- door attempt to establish a National Bio-Metric Identity Card. The proposed rules you have written affect the lives of all law abiding Americans and will r I agree with the objections to the Proposed Notice of Rule Making as submitted in writing by other concerned Americans and would demand that these proposed rules be thrown out and be redrafted to ensure that protections guaranteed to all Americans by the 1. Remove the requirement for a Social Security Number to be part of the Drivers License. The SSN by federal law was never intended to be a personal identifier. The proposed rules arbitrarily limit the right to obtain a driver's license to those with a SS 2. Remove the requirement for a digitized Fingerprint to be part of the Drivers License. 3. Remove the requirement for a digitized Voice Analysis as part of the Drivers License. 4. Remove the requirement for a digitized Retinal Scan as part of the Drivers License. I am firmly opposed to the concept and the gathering of personal bio-metric information by any governmental agency and believes such personal bio-metric information should never be ntroduced into the public domain by usage on identification documents. Americans have the constitutional right to travel and this right is protected by both the United States Constitution and the Constitution of all 50 states as verified by existing case law. The proposed rules negate these rights, and as such, are unconstit I specifically object to the rules requiring the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators be consulted. The AAMVA is a multi-national special interest group and this multi-national special interest group will enrich itself financially if the r If State Motor Vehicle Administrators access the SSA to confirm SSNs through online access operated by the AAMVA subsidiary, AAMVAnet Inc., as indicated on Page 22 of the Preliminary regulatory evaluation, then the AAMVA and it's subsidiary stand to enri Moreover, on Page 22 of the Preliminary Regulatory Evaluation, two Memorandums of Agreement are referred to, yet are not part of the proposed rules. Prior to any rules being adopted, all documents relating to AAMVA; it's subsidiary AAMVAnet Inc and AAMVA' Documents from the AAMVA; it's subsidiary AAMVAnet Inc.; and AAMVA's Unified Network System, that should be made part of the public record include, but are not limited to, any Memorandums of Understanding with the Social Security Administration or any St Identification Working Group as formed by the AAMVA . Privacy and protection of information passing through any proposed computer systems is of paramount concern to me. I believe the AAMVAnet prohibitions on computer information as identified on Page 22 of the Preliminary Regulatory Evaluation are insuffici Finally, I believe this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking violates the very fabric of the United States Constitution and the entire Notice of Proposed Rulemaking serves no useful purpose to the citizens of the United States of America. The entire Bio-Metric Sincerely, - ------------NetAddress--cgdaBK2483 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - ------------NetAddress--cgdaBK2483-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 23:03:54 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Are you ready? (FWD) On Jul 29, Paul M Watson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:45:41 -0600 From: "J. Horn" Subject: Are you ready? (FWD) Freedom's Last Stand Are You Willing To Fight for Your Guns? By Stephen Weaver During the latter stages of the Rhodesian Bush war, in the late 1970's a particularly salient tactical point was demonstrated to those with eyes to see. Embattled Rhodesia, fighting for its very life and ostracized by virtually the entire world, quietly adopted a policy change for its armed forces. As a result, the selector switches on thousands of FN-FAL rifles were deliberately switched from the full-auto mode to semi-automatic as a matter of standard procedure. The reason was the shortage of ammunition brought about by international sanction efforts. The effects were startling in that nothing changed as far as battle outcome in spite of a better-armed and equipped enemy in increasingly superior numbers penetrating Rhodesia from three fronts. The communist-trained and supplied terrorist maintained the full auto mode with their AK-47s right up until the end. When the final battles came. the outnumbered and outgunned Rhodesians had never lost a single encounter; rather, their demise came at the negotiation table-which is a point for deep reflection. What this proves is that semi-auto fire is a match for full-auto in the hands of determined and committed personnel fighting for home and hearth. As we stand today with the threat of legislation banning the possession and/or manufacture of semiautomatic weapons, we had best pause and consider this carefully. And a ban of so called assault rifles today will become a ban on your Remington 1100 tomorrow -- bet on it. The Second Amendment has been dealt numerous and severe infractions in multiple, localized instances over the past half-century. But never before has it faced the broad onslaught we now see. The avowed goal of those in our very government is to strip us of our rights under the Second Amendment. Should this occur, however, it will ultimately be our fault, not theirs. The reason for this is the Second Amendment. As an American in the middle of my fourth decade in this life I, like many others, look around in utter shock and dismay at the rapid unraveling of our culture. I've managed to get to this point in life without running afoul of our laws even once. I am not associated with or an adherent to any group espousing supremacist views, Nor do I advocate the violent overthrow of the government... at this point in time. I will confess to holding numerous politically incorrect attitudes, however. I've been fortunate to be able to live abroad in several countries, which has given me a good deal of perspective from which to speak, But, I speak as an American whose family has been in this country since before the revolution. Now I look at the fast-approaching tomorrow when I may be legislated a criminal for what is my legal right today. This is because I own a couple of semi-automatic weapons. One of them was bequeathed to me by my late father and was purchased by him in the middle 1920's -- insidious weaponry indeed! Yet I face the possibility that I could wake up one day and be felon unless I immediately turn in these weapons. This is something I will not do. Those words are not written lightly or without the awareness that someone will read them that I would rather not have reading them. Nevertheless I am compelled to write this, under my own name, because I cannot, in good conscience, keep quiet on the issue. Should such legislation pass in this country, I do expect the possibility that I might not live for any great period of time there after. For at that point I will bear arms against the so-called government of that day. I will do so if I have to do it alone and I will do it for several very good and legal reasons. It is legal, now, for me to write and for this to be published because we have a first Amendment. We have that because some vestiges of the Constitution are still intact. Right behind our freedom of speech and freedom of religion our forefathers placed a second pillar of this republic, the right to bear arms. In many ways it has supported and still does support the rest. I'll not go into a long discourse about the legal basis for our Second Amendment rights. That's been done by better legal minds than mine and is readily available to the inquiring mind. I'll suffice to say that, in the succinct words of a bumper sticker, "the Second Amendment ain't about duck hunting." What it is about is our culture, our country and our whole way of life I'll not give that up without a fight. The late Christian theologian Dr. Francis A. Schaeffer once made a statement that has stuck with me for many years: "If there is no final place for civil disobedience, then the government has been make autonomous, and as such, it has been put in the place of the Living God." The thrust of what Dr. Schaeffer has said here is as relevant to the secular as it is to the Christian audience he addressed. In a nutshell, if you don't have a defensible bottom line, you've just make the government your personal god. The context of the discourse from which this quote was taken was the rule of law in our culture. In the American expression of western culture the rule of law is embodied in the Constitution of the United States, of which the Second Amendment is an integral part. To an American, then, this is our relevant bottom line, from a secular governmental perspective. In the words of the Constitution itself, Article VI, Section 2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance, thereof ... shall be the supreme law of the land." The Second Amendment is a part of this Constitution and is not in the authority of Congress to alter save by an amending process as submitted to the states. No 51-49 vote can legally supersede it. All powers in our Constitution are delegated at three levels: Federal, State and the People. This is where our Second Amendment rights lay, with the people. Very simply, Congress would be breaking the supreme law if it infringed on our Second Amendment right. It does not have that legal power and never has. Neither do the courts. Banning semiautos is a clear infringement in the same way I would handle it when encountered in the form of some dirtball on the street. I'm not in the habit of handing over my guns to any criminal, regardless of title or elected office. This too is an American attitude older than our Republic, It was essentially a British gun-grabbing attempt that ignited our Revolution. The lessons of Lexington and the conviction of Concord are sorely needed in out time. The Declaration of Independence has a lot to say about the reasons to dispose of government. And none of them are to be taken lightly. In this writer's opinion we are far beyond the of tyranny, which the minds of Jefferson, Washington and Madison decided was their bottom line. If we are not now on the verge of a similar point, with similar actions presenting themselves as strong possibilities, then we have tacitly declared Jefferson and company criminals, and their subsequent government illegitimate. but history has shown this is decidedly not the case; the greatest experimentation in government has not been a complete failure. We've just let our elected government and its bureaucracies slip from the "chains" that Mr. Jefferson knew were the proper abode for all government. It is not time to scrap our Constitution, it is time to reinstate it as the lawful rule in this country. That is best done with the Constitution itself. Either we take the preamble of our Constitution seriously or we submit to the illegitimate and illegal actions of our elected officials as God in our lives. Our forefathers gave us a great gift: "We the People in Order to ...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity [that's us] do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." The Founders are gone, but what they gave us is still alive enough to save the "blessings of Liberty" if we've the courage to use it. It is to this point that I write these words and sign them with the intent of pledging my "life, any other free Americans left who will do likewise? There are those who will honestly question the need to draw such a line at this point. In rebuttal to that I'll point to the example of Rhodesia and the great concern of our founders over standing armies with the need to have an equally armed Militia. We cannot hope to prevail against a tyrannical government armed with fully automatic weapons when we are reduced to bolt actions or worse. We can prevail with our semi's, and they know it -- from behind every tree and rock, in a wholly American expression of "don't tread on me." You see, it is not street crime driving the anti-gunners, it is the complete disarmament of the American populace. If they've taken our semi's, they'll eventually get the rest without risk. Do I know what I'm suggesting here? Yes, I do. I am speaking of the specter of civil war while adamantly hoping it can be avoided. It is true that one shot could ignite a civil war under such a scenario but if so, as a Lexington, it would be a "shot heard round the world". Because if it were to occur our goal ought to be the reinstitution of the Constitution and the rule of law in our unraveling society. Further. it should be taken to the doors of those instigating such illegal acts that might precipitate a civil war; their vote for such a bill will mean they are to be put on trial for treason and conspiracy to violate our civil rights. This would include the president who signs it and perhaps the newspaper columnist and broadcast media who rail for its passage. In the words of Sir Winston Churchill, whose mother incidentally was an American, "Still if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.' To those who would consider burying their semi's in the backyard, I suggest a careful consideration of these words. We are nearly at a critical crossroads in the course of this nation. What we bequeath to our children (our posterity) should be no less than what was given us, the chance to live as free men and women. will you act when this critical moment arrives, or bow at the feet of your newfound god-feet that would soon be found to be wearing jackboots when they come to kick in your unprotected door? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:51:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FYI: Intellectual Ammo (fwd) On Jul 30, globallaw@tidalwave.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~mac/home.html "If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be fixed by decisions of the supreme Court, then the people will have ceased to be their own rulers." - --Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: Charles Evans Hughes, Justice of the supreme Court (1907): "... the Constitution is what the judges say it is." Edward Gibbon, `The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire': "... the discretion of the judge is the first engine of tyranny." State vs. Sutton, 63 Minn. 147, 65 NW 262, 30 L.R.A. 630 Am. St. 459: "When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the Constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and no one is bound to obey it." (See 16 Ma. Jur. 2d 177, 178) "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by rule of construction be conceived to give the Congress the power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." - --William Rawle, 1825; considered academically to be an expert commentator on the Constitution. He was offered the position of the first Attorney General of the United States, by President Washington. "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent *the people* of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ..." - --Samuel Adams in arguing for a Bill of Rights, from the book "Massachusetts," published by Pierce & Hale, Boston, 1850, pg. 86-87. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:52:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: More Intellectual Ammo: The Second Amendment vis-a-vis Original Intent (fwd) On Jul 30, globallaw@tidalwave.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > "A system of licensing and registration, is the perfect device to deny > gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Attention Shooters, In light of the tendancy of the Left to spread lies and disinformation regarding the meaning of the Second Amendment, I give you... More Intellectual Ammo: The Second Amendment vis-a-vis Original Intent, statutory interpretation and invasions of that inalienable Right. Please bear with me if you already know this stuff. If anyone uses this to blast a Leftist out of the water, it will have all been worth it. Now go git 'em. Semper Fi, Rick V. The Ideological Origins of the Second Amendment Robert E. Shalhope[+] citing the meaning of the 'militia' clause: "It was Joel Barlow, however, who most eloquently articulated the vital role of arms in American republican thought. Barlow firmly believed that one of America's greatest strengths rested in "making every citizen a soldier, and every soldier a citizen; not only permitting every man to arm, but OBLIGING him to arm." http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/shalideo.html "Tucker observed that "whosoever examines the forest, and game laws in the British code, will readily perceive that the right of keeping arms is effectually taken away from the people of England." Blackstone himself informs us "that the prevention of popular insurrections and resistance to government by disarming the bulk of the people, is a reason oftener meant than avowed by the makers of the forest and game laws."*+* St. George Tucker, ed., Blackstone's Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws, of the Federal Government of the United States; and of the Commonwealth of Virginia (5 vols., Philadelphia, 1803), I, 144, II, 412. THE HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT David E. Vandercoy[*] *+* "A move toward total disarmament occurred with passage of the Game Act of 1671.[81] The Game Act dramatically limited the right to hunt to those persons who earned over £100 annual income from the land.[82] More importantly, and unlike any prior game act, it made possession of a firearm by other than those qualified to hunt illegal and provided for confiscation of those arms.[83]" http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/vandhist.html http://www.2ndlawlib.org/related/saf-mal.html http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/quinshy.html http://home.earthlink.net/~dlaw70/repealed.html ENCROACHMENTS OF THE CROWN ON THE LIBERTY OF THE SUBJECT: PRE- REVOLUTIONARY ORIGINS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT Stephen P. Halbrook " The Supreme Court has enunciated the standard for constitutional interpretation as follows: "...in the construction of the language of the Constitution...we are to place ourselves as nearly as possible in the condition of the men who framed that instrument. Undoubtedly, the framers...had for a long time been absorbed in considering the arbitrary encroachments of the Crown on the liberty of the subject....[2]" " http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/rev-hal.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 08:41:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Promulgation Of Massachusetts State-wide Firearms Surrender Program Mandated (fwd) On Jul 29, William C. Walden wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The new Massachusetts gun law signed into law by acting governorCellucci last week, in section Chapter 180, section 131 O, requires the Colonel of the State Police to promulgate rules for a state-wide firearms surrender program. URL is http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/legis/laws/seslaw98/sl980180.htm. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:15:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Show me your papers please "Show me your papers please" This used to be what we showed in the old black and white movies of how bad life was in Germany under the NAZI government. You had to carry proper identity and travel papers approved by government bureaucrats. You were subject to random stop and search and seizure of your papers at any moment by the police. 50 years later we are busy implementing like programs in the USA. - --- Begin Forwarded Message --- ========================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:36:43 -0500 From: "Brenda C. Jinkins" Subject: Is a nationwide network for immunization records a good idea? Q: Is a nationwide network for immunization records a good idea? No: A boon to Big Brother, this effort will compromise personal liberty and violate privacy. [ed. : HillaryCare Revisited... ] INSIGHT/The Washington Times Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. Lisa S. Dean; SPECIAL TO INSIGHT INSIGHT/The Washington Times; Part SYMPOSIUM; Pg. 24 July 27, 1998, Monday, Final Edition Just imagine a woman going through nine months of pregnancy, obeying her doctor's every wish to eat right and stay fit in order to increase her chances of having a healthy baby. The woman takes care not to smoke or be around smokers, takes her vitamins and exercises in order to ensure her baby's good health. Then the moment of delivery finally arrives. The woman delivers a healthy baby, normal weight, good color, everything checks out. And then, some nurse whisks the child away and vaccinates him against, among other things, hepatitis B! The parents never made such a request. Moreover, it subjects the infant to an unnecessary medical risk. So what gives here? According to the hospital, the nurse shouldn't be fired. As a matter of fact, she should be given a commendation for following the states' applications of a new procedure recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC, and legislated through the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, or HIPAA. In 1993, one of the provisions in first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton's health-care plan included a massive federal database that would track every child from birth in the United States. Mercifully, that provision of the legislation died. However, HIPAA revived that database provision only three years later. Among other things, HIPAA mandated that a national mechanism be in place to collect medical information on each and every citizen electronically. In addition to that provision, HIPAA also mandated that all health-care providers, patients and their employers be given a personal health-identifier number and that number be entered as the patient's identification into the state database system, along with their medical information provided by the physician. In addition to being a blatant violation of doctor-patient privacy, it sets a dangerous precedent for the federal government to be tracking citizens on any subject, let alone the most private of information. Coupled with this dreadful legislation is Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala's mandate that all Social Security numbers belonging to newborns be given to the states for entry into state databases. This mandate, combined with HIPAA, paves a nice, neat little path to a federalized registry for all newborns, infants and children containing their medical histories, immunization records and so forth that had been confidential between doctor and patient. How will their mission be accomplished? Through the CDC's National Immunization Registry Clearinghouse, each state database will be linked to one large database held by the federal government, specifically the Department of Health and Human Services, or HHS. Together the CDC and HHS will engage in tracking all children's - and, inevitably, all citizens' - medical records from birth. So what happens to the parents who object to Big Brother invading their privacy and that of their children and refuse to enter them into the CDC/HHS immunization registry? According to the National Vaccine Information Center, or NVIC, in Washington, parents already are finding out the answer to that question. "There have been cases where parents of a newborn have objected to the hospital immunizing their baby, only to find out later that the hospital had immunized the baby anyway without their consent," says Barbara Loe Fisher, president and cofounder of NVIC. Other cases cited by Fisher include parents whose children have been denied health insurance or prohibited from entering public schools because their parents have objected to hepatitis B vaccinations. In the past, vaccinations were mandated by local public-health authorities only after there was widespread understanding and acceptance of the practice. Virtually no one disputed the need for vaccinations against polio, mumps, measles, rubella, etc. Hepatitis B is an entirely different question. While there was widespread public support for immunizing children against mumps and measles, the same cannot be said for immunization against hepatitis B, a disease with which a large segment of the population has no contact. Moreover, it is one of dozens of new vaccines that are in the process of being manufactured or developed by pharmaceutical companies which stand to make billions from federally mandated requirements. Little wonder that the companies have formed a behind-the-scenes partnership with Shalala to push these mandates in return for ready-made markets created by federal control of the health-care system. But vaccinations never should be mandated by federal authorities. Local authorities have been perfectly capable of handling such policies, and some public-health advocates argue that vaccinations should not be mandated in the absence of a universal understanding and acceptance of the necessity for them. The problem with federal mandates is that they can create a situation where health care can be denied to someone who desperately needs it. God forbid that anything happen to a child where he has to be taken to the emergency room only to find that because he isn't in the database he doesn't have health insurance and therefore can't be treated. Could hospital personnel be this draconian about playing by the rule book? Well, consider the tragic case in Chicago recently, where a young boy died because personnel refused to treat him: He wasn't brought in by ambulance as required by hospital rules. The CDC/HHS database is only one of many tracking systems at the federal level. There are many others at the state level which keep records on citizens' private information. Last year, President Clinton announced the implementation of a new federal database, the National Directory of New Hires, which would collect personal information on every person who was hired for a job, whether full or part-time after Oct. 1, 1997. That effort - the largest federal roundup of information on citizens in U.S. history - is to be reported to the Department of Labor, but other agencies would have access to it. Clinton claimed the system was designed to track and deter deadbeat parents. However, because no one is spared entry into the database, all citizens who begin new jobs will be treated as deadbeat parents. On Jan. 1, 1998, after examining the TWA Flight 800 disaster, the Federal Aviation Administration, or FAA, on order of the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security, made it mandatory for all commercial airlines to begin collecting information on passengers. Such information would include how far in advance the ticket was purchased, if it was one-way or round-trip, whether it was paid for with cash or by credit card, hotel reservations, rental car and so forth. Despite the fact that the crash of Flight 800 was ruled to have been caused by a mechanical failure, the purpose for this profiling system, the FAA claimed, was to ensure passenger safety. Again, another federal agency is collecting information on citizens. The bottom line is that none of these databases is an isolated system. There is strong evidence that this database, too, will be linked with the others to compile one large file on every citizen in order for the government to track us from cradle to grave. Currently the Department of Transportation has proposed rules to create a national identification card which is only the beginning of an internal-passport system. It would take all of the information contained in each of the federal databases and place it on our driver's licenses or some other form of identification that would amount to a filing cabinet full of information on every American: medical records, job description and title, income, where he vacations, how he travels, his religion and if he's active in his church or community and in which activities he participates. It may sound somewhat conspiratorial to conclude that our private lives will not be private if our country continues along its current path. However, it would be false to call it conspiratorial. It is very real and the evidence is being shown to us in every way possible through databases and other forms of electronic monitoring. That's bad enough but, in Los Angeles County, 20 percent of the names in its new-hires database are proving to be erroneous. Parents are being sent bills for hundreds of thousands of dollars in child support on the basis of mistaken identities. Such erroneous enforcement actions could have long-term consequences for Big Brother's victims. People who refuse vaccinations could be charged as child abusers. They can be treated as criminals if they refuse to supply Social Security numbers, which President Franklin D. Roosevelt assured us would never be used for anything other than Social Security. Already people are being denied passage on airlines because the computer mistook them for a bombing suspect. Citizens can be denied new jobs for which they are perfectly qualified simply because the database suggested that they are deadbeat parents. Law-abiding citizens who need to purchase firearms for their personal protection could be denied that right only because a database suggests -wrongly - that they are not eligible to buy a gun. How many times have you had the experience of ordering something over the phone only to find later that your name has been misspelled or your address is one digit off or your ZIP code entered incorrectly? Do we want faceless bureaucrats entering incorrect data into a system that ultimately will decide whether we have constitutionally protected rights and privileges? It is time for the American people to decide what course their country takes. Are we as a nation going to subject ourselves to monitoring systems that are worse than those to which the people of the former Soviet Union were subjected, or are we going to stand up and be counted by taking back our constitutional liberties? Without the help of an awakened people, there is little hope for a free society in America. Dean is cohost of Endangered Liberties, aired on the America's Voice television network, and vice president for technology policy at the Free Congress Foundation. Copyright 1998 News World Communications, Inc. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #169 *************************