From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #174 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 174 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Aug 98 14:51:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: CLINTON SOLD OUR SECURITY (fwd) Heads Up: A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia May 3, 1998 #83 by: Doug Fiedor CLINTON SOLD OUR SECURITY Prestidigitation, it's called. That's the crafty art of creating a diversion, such as to divert attention during a "magic" trick. We're seeing another form now, in Washington and the media, orchestrated primarily by Hillary's disinformation cabal in the White House. The diversion is sex, as in Jones, Wiley, Lewinsky, etc., etc. These stories are continued because, in the grand scheme of things, they are nearly inconsequential. Whereas, the misdeeds not being discussed while we talk of the sexual peccadilloes of the philander-in-chief could have a very costly and long-term affect on the people of the United States. Also, the sex scandals will not be impeachable offenses, whereas what they are diverting attention from most certainly are. Just a few months ago, the hot story was how communist China was able to launder money into the Clinton & Gore and DNC campaign coffers. When one reads the transcripts of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee (http://www.senate.gov/~gov_affairs/), or the House Government Reform Committee (http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings.htm), it quickly becomes evident how extensive that illegal money laundering was. Even though the whole of that story is not complete (i.e. conclusively proven), there is more than enough information available to indict dozens of people involved in the Clinton & Gore Campaign Committee and the DNC conspiracy. Yet, interestingly enough, that is one of the very few impeachable acts that does not have a special prosecutor investigating. Instead, the Reno Justice Department is supposedly looking into it. Somewhat. The actual problem is much more important than just the few million dollars the communist Chinese "contributed" to Clinton and others for considerations. The true problem goes to the security of the people of the United States. The subject being diverted is the considerations the Red Chinese received for that money -- and those considerations were considerable. As Timothy W. Maier reported in the May 4 issue of Insight magazine: "Two U.S. firms are accused of illegally helping the Chinese develop ICBMs that can hit the United States." A Pentagon report said Hughes Electronics and Loral Space and Communications caused "national security harm" by selling sophisticated electronic technology to China. Both companies were investigated, of course. But just as charges were ready to be filed, Clinton approved the sale of similar equipment to China by Loral. Interestingly enough, Loral's CEO, Bernard Schwartz, just happens to be the largest personal contributor to the DNC last year. Reports vary, but it seems that he has contributed between two and three million dollars over the past few years. In other words, Clinton & Gore and the DNC were collecting from both the domestic high-tech equipment sellers and the foreign high-tech equipment purchasers. That's a rather convenient arrangement. The problem is that this is top-secret military equipment that was sold to the communists. We taxpaying Americans cannot see this equipment, but the communists in China now own some of it. Apparently, the Chinese also had a ace in the hole at Loral. A Corporate Vice President, Dr. Wah Lim, is a foreign national from China. In itself, that wouldn't be a big deal. Lim did part of his studies here, and it's only natural for him to wish to work in his chosen field of electronics. But, top secret military electronics? Wah Lim's father, by the way, just happens to be a high ranking government banker in China. That could be very handy for Loral, who wishes to sell expensive equipment there. But that certainly does not speak well for those in the federal government charged with protecting our high-tech military secrets. They issued Lim a top secret clearance. With that kind of leak, the Chinese could be using the newest and best of our electronic equipment even before our military has a chance to try it. We were told by a well placed source in the industry that, "Dr. Lim was considered enough of a security risk when he was an employee of Northrop Corporation that he was denied a clearance to work on the B-2 bomber. Because that risk assessment has not changed significantly since then, it seems that it is not proper for Dr. Lim to be handling other of our country's top military data." Furthermore, "Dr. Lim was known to improperly access military data when he worked as a lower level employee of Loral Corporation, even entering another employee's secured safe to remove secret documents without that employee's knowledge or approval." As it turned out, even though there was plenty of work, the American employee reporting that serious breach of security at Loral was laid off shortly thereafter. Dr. Lim stayed. The sorry fact is that, by continually replaying the soap-opera of Clinton sex scandals, the national media totally missed an illegal transfer of technology that could someday get thousands of American citizens blown right off the face of the earth. But, Clinton needed the money to get elected, so apparently the China connection is not a newsworthy story for the liberal media. TIME FOR CLINTON TO PAY THE PIPER Last week it was Rep. Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, telling the editorial board of The Indianapolis Star: "If I could prove 10 percent of what I believe happened, he'd [Clinton] be gone. This guy's a scumbag. That's why I'm after him." This week, the whole Republican leadership of the United States House of Representatives picked up the gauntlet. They've apparently thrown the implied threats of secret police investigations and potential blackmail by Hillary's disinformation cabal to the wind and decided to do the right thing. Showing a surprising amount of intestinal fortitude for an election year, they are gearing up to expose the ongoing corruption in the Clinton, Clinton & Gore team and the DNC for all of America to see. Then, they plan to take appropriate action. Of course, a couple of them have already had a glimpse at some of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's evidence, and the House has reams of information concerning money laundering by and for the Clinton campaign committee and the DNC. The millions of dollars in illegal campaign funds came, of course, from both American labor unions and communist China. Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich lead off the accusations with comments to the GOPAC political action group early in the week (http://www.gopac.com/library/newt98.htm). Therein, Gingrich described Kenneth Starr as an "officer of the Department of Justice" and said criticism of the independent counsel has gone overboard: The fact is that if he [Clinton] wants to fire Ken Starr, he can do it in the morning. And if he doesn't want to fire Ken Starr, he should tell his staff to shut up because there is something profoundly demeaning and destructive to have the White House systematically undermine an officer of the Department of Justice. And when I watch these paid hacks on television, to be quite honest, I am sickened by how unpatriotically they undermine the Constitution of the United States on behalf of their client. Right on! Finally Newt's taking a stand. Burton was right. The term "scumbag" fits them nicely. Newt continues: What you have lived through for two and a half long years, is the most systematic, deliberate, obstruction of justice cover up in an effort to avoid the truth we have ever seen in American history. And the time has come to say to the Democrats and to say to the President quit undermining the law in the United States. Turn over the evidence, agree to the witnesses, have the hearings. The American people have the right to know the truth. Gingrich also commented on the controversy over whether Secret Service agents should act like police officers and testify against the president: "I don't get it," Newt said. "This is not some 'shall we gossip about the president.' . . . This is about the rule of law. This is about the heart of America. No person in America is above the rule of law." Then, in a speech before the Atlanta Rotary Club, Gingrich continued the thought: There is no question there are very, very serious allegations, starting with $700,000 being paid to Hubbell, who is a convicted felon. I think any honest American can conclude [that giving] $700,000 to a convicted felon is hush money. That is a very, very serious violation. Later in the week, The Speaker took to the House floor and, in a similar speech, accused the Democrats who voted against immunity for four witnesses in the campaign-finance investigation as obstructing justice. He then demanded another vote. When the people breaking the law are foreign nationals trying to corrupt the United States by bringing in foreign money -- in some cases in a deliberate effort in collusion with billionaires in Asia -- we have every reason as a national security matter to protect our political system," Newt told the House. "For some reason, Democrats voted 19-0 to cover up this testimony. That means they voted 19-0 to block it from getting to the American people and to prevent the Congress from being informed. "If [President Clinton] doesn't want to fire Ken Starr, he should tell his staff to shut up," Gingrich continued. "I am sickened by how unpatriotically they undermine the Constitution of the United States." Newt said there were two principles which I am prepared to live and die on. The first is that the American people have the right to know about basic facts. And the second is that we are a nation under the rule of law and no person, including the president, is above the law. . . . I will never again, as long as I am speaker, make a speech without commenting on this topic. And then, in typical Newt Gingrich style, came a pointed history lesson: "Howard Baker understood that Richard Nixon could not be allowed to take the entire Republican Party and the Constitution down in flames and that his job as a United States senator was to get at the truth, and Howard Baker again and again and again cooperated with the Democrat Chairman Sam Ervin," Gingrich said. He added that Democrats "ought to be ashamed" at their actions and "ought to be helping us get at the truth rather than finding some flimsy excuse to avoid voting for immunity." Look for the Republicans to be out in force talking about this corruption. Because maybe, just maybe, we are about to see some action. Starr cleared most of his calendar, possibly for a year or more, and is actively shuttling between the grand juries in Little Rock and Washington. Better yet, he's got a big smile on his face lately. Last week, after questioning Hillary again, Starr was thanked, congratulated and applauded at the Little Rock airport. We think it's time he got a little recognition. Starr deserves retribution too. As two House committees investigate the campaign corruption of the Clinton, Clinton & Gore conspiracy, and Starr increases pressure by threatening indictments on assorted other topics, middle America sits back and watches history in the making. Not yet admitted by a definitely biased national media is the fact that this may be the first time in our nation's history that the whole of the administration is dismissed (and maybe convicted) simultaneously. And that is as it should be. They are all party to the corrupt practices and obstruction conspiracies together, and they should all fall together. Nail Clinton, Clinton & Gore at the same time. That done, we would be pleased to present President Newt with a copy of his speeches on the Federalist Papers and the Original Intent of the authors of our Constitution -- just as a reminder. THE UN USURPS OUR FREEDOM As we reported earlier, Bill Clinton, encouraged by his power hungry Marxist wife, wants much more than to be just a world leader. Clinton wants to be "the" world leader. Nearly everything they do nowadays (besides ducking impeachment), is in preparation for that goal. For instance, Hillary's choice for Secretary of State, Madeline Albright was out attacking UN critics recently. We should note here that in her previous position as a professor, Albright was called by those who knew her on campus as "Professor Halfbright." Some of her recent actions are starting to make a lot of people wonder if there might have been a reason for that nickname. Lately, the State Department has allowed an alarming amount of United Nations equipment to be stored in the United States. UN military equipment has been spotted stockpiled in various locations around our country. Why? There's also the problem of all those UN Heritage Sites, biosphere reserves and now wilderness zones. Does anyone actually believe that a UN bureaucrat from some little third world country would better care for our national treasures than we would? Worst yet, the UN recently agreed to offer members of some environmental extremist groups diplomatic passports so they will be immune from the law when operating within the United States. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was given permission to wander around the U.S. as he pleases. He was in Hollywood recently, encouraging some left-leaning celebrities to lend a hand with the dissemination of UN propaganda. As starters, Annan wants that $1.2-billion in back "dues" he says we owe. The Clinton administration is, of course, applying pressure on Congress to pay at least part of that amount. As part of a world governance program, over 72 nations recently signed agreements to provide the UN a full sized military force. The administration approves of this action and has secretly contributed millions of taxpayer dollars to help get a UN army started. The State Department will not release exactly how much money we contributed, but it was in the hundreds of millions. Then, of course, there's the matter of gun control. For the first time in history, the United States has agreed to the UN plan of gun control. And, as is obvious at home, Clinton has continuously been doing his best to disarm the American people. Now comes the UN Court system. Next June, the United Nations is meeting in Rome to draft a treaty which would establish an International Criminal Court (ICC). Such a court could subject American citizens to the jurisdiction of foreign judges, who would have zero respect for our Constitution. As can be expected, the Clinton Administration supports the ICC. So does the U.S. Senate, which voted 55 to 45 to encourage the establishment of an ICC within the UN system. Even the American Bar Association has endorsed the concept of the ICC. But that's no real surprise, since the ABA characteristically does nothing to defend our Constitution anyway. The ICC would be a plaything for them. A new court system would allow lawyers to make up the rules as they go along. However, for the unsuspecting American citizen, such an international criminal court would be a disaster. One important difference is that there will be no right for the accused to confront witnesses, as stipulated in our Sixth Amendment. The UN court will adopt a provision known as Rule 75, which allows witnesses to remain anonymous, even to defendants and their lawyers. And, as in American administrative law courts, a defendant will be classed as guilty until proven innocent. The United States does not have a very good track record in these world courts, which makes it very difficult to understand how any person respecting our Rule of Law could agree to such wickedness. For example, we lost a series of key cases before the international agency governing commerce and tariffs. Really, these and dozens of other actions by the Clinton Administration point to only one thing: Clinton is systematically weakening the United States so it will be easier to control when he is secretary-general of the United Nations. Truly, to protect our American way of life, we must get the UN out of the United States and the United States out of the UN. UNENFORCED RIGHTS We learned a little more of how the law applies to the controlling elite this week. It seems that if someone is involved in a crime and explains it to their spouse, they may then claim 'marital privilege' when questioned about that crime and so will not need to answer questions about it for a grand jury. Thank Hillary for teaching us that one. Apparently she got away with it. Meanwhile, let's look at laws that may be a little more applicable to our lives. There is actually a federal law barring "conspiracy against rights" (18 USC 241). If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured - They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. So, if anyone conspires "to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person . . . in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, . . . they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both." We could easily read a lot into that, but let's just stick with the exact words of the Bill of Rights. In the First Amendment, we find that the free exercise of religion is suddenly being threatened. So too are our rights of free speech and assembly. And the Fourth Amendment has been totally trashed lately. The fact is that nine out of the first ten amendments have been pretty well "interpreted" to a point where they favor the expediency of government agents rather than the American people. The "Conspiracy against Rights" law, therefore, must not be one that is often enforced. So, let's try another. There is also a "deprivation of rights under color of law" law (18 USC 242), which applies better to government agencies: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, . . . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both . . . Here again, the law is violated regularly. Any compilation of specific information on citizens would be a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So too would warrantless searches (inspections) by regulatory agencies. For instance, nearly everything the IRS does is a violation of the Constitution. The sad fact is, most recent laws, rules and regulations violate the Constitutional rights of the people in some way. Possibly though, we are reading the above laws wrong and the words do not mean exactly what they say. Perhaps there could be some hidden clause in the Rule of Law somewhere that states that laws like the two above apply only to the protected ones: those elected to office, their friends and the bureaucrats. It must be that. Else, the whole of government is negligent in the enforcement of its own law. E-mail to: fiedor19@eos.net Copyright c 1998 by Doug Fiedor, all rights reserved This text may be copied and distributed freely but only in its entirety, and with no changes Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm and http://mmc.cns.net/headsup.html Rose Bowen Prophetic Secrets and the New World Order Will they affect your life??? http://www.sayhello.com/secrets - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 98 18:16:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: Clinton Perjury Poll] (fwd) On Aug 07, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: wizard@van-kopp.com Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:08:48 -0500 Subject: Clinton Perjury Poll Hey All, Go to "http://www.decentdesigns.com/svlogic/html/minipolls.html" and vote on whether or not you think King William should be impeached if he committed perjury. So far, the "Nays" are leading. Let's change that. ;-) - -- L8R. Dave Personal: Email: wizard@van-kopp.com Web site: http://www.van-kopp.com Business: Email: Dave@spol.com Web Site: http://www.spol.com PGP fingerprint = A8 75 C1 C0 78 67 B3 E9 F7 14 02 49 70 1E C4 2F Public key available at http://www.van-kopp.com/elecpriv.html#pgpkey or http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html - -- "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart Mill [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:28:22 -0600 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Another Gun Grabber, Pete Defazio It looks like Pete Defazio (D-OR) will be introducing several anti-gun bills. Defazio was supported by -- who else -- the NRA. S. "Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." - -- Peter W. Huber - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: Another Gun Grabber, Pete Defazio Sorry to be dense here, but was this in reference to some other post I didn't see? I'd just like to know the details of what Defazio (and the NRA relevent to him) are up to...? -Boyd >It looks like Pete Defazio (D-OR) will be introducing several anti-gun >bills. Defazio was supported by -- who else -- the NRA. >S. > >"Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." >-- Peter W. Huber > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:37:00 -0600 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Another Gun Grabber, Pete Defazio I got my info from my state GOA director. I'll see about getting details. At 10:09 PM 8/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry to be dense here, but was this in reference to some other post I >didn't see? I'd just like to know the details of what Defazio (and the NRA >relevent to him) are up to...? -Boyd > >>It looks like Pete Defazio (D-OR) will be introducing several anti-gun >>bills. Defazio was supported by -- who else -- the NRA. >>S. >> >>"Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." >>-- Peter W. Huber >> >> >>- > > > > >- > > S. "Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." - -- Peter W. Huber - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:39:27 -0600 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Another Gun Grabber, Pete Defazio At 01:37 PM 8/8/98 -0600, you wrote: >I got my info from my state GOA director. I'll see about getting details. Here is the word so far from Oregon's GOA director: There are nine seperate bills dealing with "school violence". These include a bill that would require gun locks be sold with guns, that guns be "stored safely" that there be penalties for dealers who sell to minors (there already are of course) and also background checks at gun shows. I will get Bill numbers but I won't be able to get them until Monday. DeFazio's current e-mail address is S. "Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." - -- Peter W. Huber - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 23:25:10 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Forbidden Words (fwd) On Aug 10, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] For education and discussion. Not for commercial use. Forbidden Words http://www.fatalblindness.com August 9, 1998 Fulton Huxtable Here is something you may not know. If you don't, you are not alone, since most Americans appear to be completely unaware of it. And the reason most do not know it is that the media hasn't provided the details. What is "it"? The fact that legislation recently passed the House that would forbid you to use certain words, during the 60-day period prior to a general election, in any "type of general public communication." It would be illegal for you to engage in "a communication that advocates the election or defeat of a candidate by-(i) containing a phrase such as `vote for', `re-elect', `support', `cast your ballot for', `(name of candidate) for Congress', (name of candidate) in 1997', `vote against', `defeat', `reject' or a campaign slogan or words that in context can have no reasonable meaning other than to advocate the election or defeat of 1 or more clearly identified candidates;" (Title II, Sec. 201 (b) (20) (A). Welcome to the hoped-for, totalitarian world of the Shays-Meehan bill, pleasingly touted to the public as the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. This Act does not stop with merely banning the use of certain words in any public forum, during the 60 days before a general election, it makes a sweeping ban of "...a communication that advocates the election or defeat of a candidate by-(iii) expressing unmistakable or unambiguous support for or opposition to 1 or more clearly identified candidates when taken as a whole and with limited reference to external events, such as proximity to an election." (Title II, Sec. 201 (b) (20) (A) (iii)). If this legislation is signed into law it will bring widespread, forcible suppression of freedom of expression, suddenly putting into high gear what has, so far, been a slow-motion death march toward totalitarian rule in America. Even though statists claim that these restrictions would only apply to ads coming from such groups as the Sierra Club or the NRA, consider the possibilities which will be offered to statists and the power they will have against anyone who opposes them. With the power to ban any "...communication.expressing unmistakable and unambiguous support...," logic, as logic always does, will drive statists to take this to its ultimate conclusion. Just what might be the target of statist regulators? Anything and everything: every means of communication would eventually become subject to regulation. How about your web site? It certainly is a means of communication. How about your postings to an online discussion forum or newsgroup? Yep, this would qualify as communication. What if you have a list of individuals to whom you e-mail political messages? This, too, would be a communication. In fact, virtually any form of public expression, anything you might say for the purpose of influencing the outcome of an election-a letter to the editor of a newspaper, a telephone call to a talk radio show or a speech given to a group of individuals-would be banned during the 60 days prior to a general election. This legislation would also mean that for the 60 days prior to a general election, no newspaper, magazine or any other publication could issue an editorial either for or against a candidate. Talk radio show hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, would effectively be silenced for 60 days. There would essentially be no public utterances for or against candidates during 60 days of suppression, except, of course, for the candidates themselves, their political parties and their representatives. According to news reports, the Shays-Meehan bill is given little chance of passing the Senate, but there are only a half-a-dozen or so Senators standing in the way of its passage-that is how close America is to taking one, gigantic step closer to full-blown totalitarianism. What if there are a few changes in the makeup of the Senate in the coming, November elections, changes that alter the philosophic mix of the Senate, making it even more statist than it is now? What if those now standing in the way of the passage of Shays-Meehan are no longer in office? Given the penchant of most Americans to only judge legislation by its cover and the unconscionable editorial support it has received from most newspapers, most will rally around this Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act and will only discover the meaning of their act of support after it is too late. Once statists succeed in establishing censorship for 60 days prior to elections, the collapse of freedom will accelerate with startling swiftness. Statists will soon claim that 60 days isn't long enough, that these restrictions on speech need to be extended and they will call for these extensions during the 60 days of silence, when no one can effectively speak out against them, when only statist politicians can speak and run their ads to influence opinion-and they will get that extension, one that will go to 120 days, then to a year before any election, then to a total ban on public expression for or against a candidate. I have repeatedly warned that America will quickly collapse into complete totalitarian rule shortly after freedom of speech is sharply restricted-and we are now within sight of such restrictions on speech being imposed in the very near future. It could only be a year or two away, or it could be longer-or, if enough act now, it will never happen. (If you are relying on the Supreme Court to save the First Amendment, don't bet your life on it. For decades, the Supreme Court has been sanctioning the nibbling away of the First Amendment.) The passage in the House of the Shays-Meehan bill should be a wake-up call to anyone who values his freedom. The alarm bells should be ringing. There should be a storm of protests. Alarmingly, there are no alarms and no storms of protest-at least, not yet. While you still have the freedom to do so, you had better act now, speak out while you still have the freedom to do so. If you don't, statists will eventually see to it that your voluntary silence now will become involuntary silence in the future. Fulton Huxtable [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: DMN: Bin Laden Islamic militant behind all attacks? (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Dallas Morning News 8-9-98 Analysts point to Saudi exile Islamic militant pledged to kill Jews and Americans 08/09/98 Knight-Ridder Newspapers There was no hard evidence linking any terrorist group to the deadly U.S. Embassy bombings Friday in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. But almost unanimously, U.S. intelligence experts topped their list of circumstantial suspects with a 41-year-old multimillionaire fundamentalist engineer from Saudi Arabia named Osama bin Laden. Earlier this summer, the U.S. State Department issued an official travel advisory regarding Mr. Bin Laden, saying he had threatened to attack American interests in the Persian Gulf or South Asia. Security at American embassies and consulates was beefed up from Egypt to India. The fugitive fundamentalist financier was interviewed by ABC News in his Afghan mountain hideaway. Mr. Bin Laden scoffed at American efforts to capture him, and vowed to continue killing Jews and Americans: "We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa [religious edict]." One of 52 sons of a Saudi Arabian construction magnate, Mr. Bin Laden is the most prominent example of a new kind of transnational terrorist. Beholden to no nation or ideology, self-financed and savvy about weapons, tactics and technology, he has been waging a personal holy war against the United States for more than five years. One group that analysts believe has been funded lately by Mr. Bin Laden is Islamic Jihad. The loosely organized group has made numerous threats against U.S. interests this year, most recently in a letter faxed to Agence France-Presse in Cairo on Thursday morning, just 24 hours before the African attacks. In the letter, the Jihad threatened retaliation against the United States because of alleged U.S. involvement in the extradition of three of its members from Europe to stand trial in Egypt. "We inform the Americans . . . of preparations for a response which we hope they read with care, because we will write it, with God's help, in a language they will understand," read the letter. The Jihad - Arabic for "struggle" and a popular name for various Islamic militant groups - is a reincarnation of the movement that assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in 1981. The Islamic Jihad was largely wiped out after the assassination, its members imprisoned or executed by Egyptian security. But analysts say it has resurrected itself in recent years, thanks to the generous patronage of Mr. Bin Laden. Hussein Amin, a former Egyptian ambassador to Algeria, and a Cairo-based expert in Islamic terrorism, cautioned against rushing to conclusions about who might be responsible for the bombings. "Remember that everybody thought at first that Arabs did the Oklahoma City bombing, when it turned out to be Americans," he said. But if it is an Arab group, he said, "I would say this is the handiwork of what we call the Afghanis." Mr. Bin Laden's group is called the "Afghanis" because they are remnants of an army of Islamic volunteers who traveled to Afghanistan in 1979 to fight the Soviet Union. He is a slender man whose long, thin face is accentuated by a beard that reaches nearly to his chest. He wears the traditional robes of his Saudi ancestors, robes trimmed with gold. He was married to four women when he was interviewed by a British reporter in 1996. Mr. Bin Laden was exiled from Saudi Arabia in 1991 to Sudan but now lives in the mountains of Afghanistan, tolerated by the extremist Taliban. His fortune, earned in oil and construction, is now devoted to various Islamic causes, some innocuous charities and other allegedly deadly terrorist adventures. From his base in Afghanistan, Mr. Bin Laden is believed to have rallied Islamic mercenaries to fight alongside Bosnians and Chechens in their respective wars. He has also been linked to the Somalian clan that battled American troops in Somalia in 1993. He is alleged to have supplied rocket-propelled grenades and expert instruction to clan fighters who were able to shoot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters. According to a report last year by the Emergency Response and Research Institute, based in Chicago, the State Department has strong evidence that Mr. Bin Laden was involved in a 1995 bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in which five U.S. service personnel were killed. The report said there also were suspicions of his fingerprints in the more serious terrorist truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, the following year, in which 19 American soldiers perished, and in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing in New York. Paul Watson pwatson@utdallas.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:24:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a487891.htm (fwd) This is a must read: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a487891.htm Topic: THE THIRD WAY AMERICA: 2003 January 31, 1997 Missy Kelly AMERICA: 2003 [In his January 27th article for the Wall Street Journal (click for ALEXANDERLEBED on RUSSIA ) ] Lebed laments that the "formation of a middle class the guarantor of stability and positive change everywhere has been postponed or even halted." There will be no middle class in the Third Way. The Middle class is what sustains and nourishes a democracy. The middle class is the "guarantor of stability and positive change everywhere," as Lebed says. Communism does not include a middle class, by philosophy. If we are to move to the Third Way in this country, the middle class will need to be destroyed. Think about this idea in context with events in this country over the last 20 years. Has the lifestyle and opportunity of the middle class changed? The figures show that middle class incomes, adjusted for inflation, have stagnat since the late 1970's...that's my entire adult life. (cut) THIS battle bode ILL FOR DEMOCRACY." Even though they are looking at only one battlefront, they are correct: what is being forced down out throats by fiat, and non-legislative bodies, DOES BODE ILL FOR DEMOCRACY. Now step back and look at ALL the battles being waged..they ALL bode ill for democracy. Because Democracy is Under Seige. Our nation is under seige. The battle to undermine our democracy so as to move us to embrace the Third Way is everywhere. And no, it is not a conspiracy. There are a precious few who understand the true goals. But there are minions who unwittingly do their bidding, not understanding how their actions fit into the total picture. The common factor here is the cultivation of myopic ideologues. (cut) The Communist side won't need their money, nor their influence because the society will already be tightly controlled by the communist side. If they chose to nationalize all industry at this point, what could the "capitalists", or "corporate suprapragmatists" do to prevent them? Nothing. IMHO, the "corporate suprapragmatists" are being deluded in thinking they will end up at the top of the heap when all is said and done. On the contrary, in the end game, they will be told..Thanks so much for your assistance in creating these global oligopolies for us, and taken out and shot. It is the finest irony. Look at the recent barkings in Hong Kong. The freedoms will go out the window when China takes over. You see, MIGHT wins...not capitalism. Without personal freedom there is NO capitalism; the suprapragmetists who have deluding themselves all these years are about get rudely awakened. The "best of communism" has all the cards...the weapons of repression, the system of repression, the entire social compact. And what will the corporate suprapragmetists have at his disposal to maintain his position at the top of the heap? Nothing. A fool's game. I know that what I write is radical. I also know that what I write is true. The future of this nation is the "cronysim between officialdom and capitalists" [what Safire said], the "financial-poltical corporations", "financial-political oligarchy" [what Lebed said]. I have dedicated three years of my life, and the last of my meager resources in an attempt to understand this entity I call Flagship. I understand that most of you will not know what to make of this, or me. You don't have the background information. And gloriously, with Americans exhausted from working and raising kids, frantically trying to dig-in against the relentless slide of their middle class standard of living, most of you don't have time to investigate all this. It is just another facet of the terrible beauty we behold. If we spend our lives running on the hamster wheel, we are simply too overwhelmed to pay attention. I fault no one who simply wants to live a quiet existance, being left alone. That is all I have ever wanted. But it works against me, and us all. By nature we just want to be left alone...to be free to do as we please without the government constantly in our face, and in our pocketbooks. But this desire to be left alone, and not have others impose their ideologies on us, is precisely why we often shrink from the battle. We don't want others telling us what to do, and equally, we don't feel comfortable telling other people what to do. So, we get walked over, and rail-roaded, and won't fight back with the same weapons...weapons that are philosophically anethemas to us...such as subterfuge, grabbing power by fiat. The mechanisms that are used against us are weapons we would never chose to use in our defense, because it would mean that WE would be COVERTLY imposing our views on others....the precise anthesis of what we believe. You cannot win a battle unless you know there is a war going on. This article originally appeared on the Prodigy WW Bulletin Board, January 31, 1997. - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #174 *************************