From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #175 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 175 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:55:00 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Hearthside, August 11, America's Religion This one was too good to keep to myself. Tom >From: "Hearthside Family Publications" >To: "Our friends at Hearthside"hearth@hancock.net >Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:57:55 +0000 >X-Distribution: Moderate >Subject: Hearthside, August 11, America's Religion >Reply-to: hearth@hancock.net >Priority: normal > > >Hearthside, August 11, America's Religion > >What makes a right unalienable? What is an unalienable right? > >John Locke wrote of rights as the possession of God for each >individual, "all servants of one omnipotent and infinitely wise Maker; >all the servants of one sovereign master, sent into the world by His >order and about His business, they are His property." > >William Blackstone asserted that no human agency can seize rights >granted by God and nature, "no legislature has power to abridge or >destroy them, unless the owner shall himself commit some act that >amounts to a forfeiture." > >Might this mean that no power can kill us unless we surrender our >right to live? Glad you asked... Yes and no, but today we will only >look at "no." > >A man can walk up to his neighbor and slay him in cold blood, or he >can reach inside the womb and dismember forever the child living >there. So much that neighbor. So much for that cute kid with pink >cheeks and puckered fingers. "So much," say unwitting fools, "for >unalienable rights; we can legislate any way we choose and you can't >stop us." > >Our founders understood: you and I do not own those rights. God does, >and He has given man restricted use of them for life. And for liberty. >And for the pursuit of happiness. As a gift. > >Speaking for the understanding of our founders, Jefferson said, >"Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it >by temporal punishments or burdens...are a departure from the plan of >the Holy Author of our religion." > >This was understood for a long time in America. This is why you can >still find the reason for America's independence and liberty engraved >in Jefferson's Memorial. You can read it there. If you read it out >loud you can hear it echo: > >"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a >nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a >conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the >Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" > >His wrath... Do you believe in God? I mean, really? Jefferson did. >That is why the engraved quote ends, "Indeed, I tremble for my country >when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep >forever." > >"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place to >wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the >Lord." (Romans 12:19 Webster's) But be careful that you do not >surrender your rights while you are waiting. Give place to your wrath. > >Our fathers understood this; it was not a batch of metaphysics, but >the source of our freedom. > >It belonged to the religion of America. > >Dave and Helen Delany >--- > "Liberty Begins at Hearthside" >Copyright: Hearthside Family Publications > PO Box 212 Conklin NY 13748 > http://www.hancock.net/~freedom > * * * * * > Free! > ><> To Subscribe (or unsubscribe) > Send request to hearth@hancock.net > and ask about Hearth Tabs: >regular doses of historical perspective! > Free! > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:55:15 -0600 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: OR: Rep. DeFazio Pushing Gun Control Here's further info on DeFazio >X-From_: goamail@gunowners.org Wed Aug 12 09:22:56 1998 >Return-Path: goamail@gunowners.org >Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:54:14 -0400 >From: Gun Owners of America >Reply-To: Gun Owners of America >To: goamail@gunowners.org >Subject: OR: Rep. DeFazio Pushing Gun Control > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >August 12, 1998 Oregon alert > >In the wake of the Thurston High School shootings, NRA >endorsed House Rep. Pete DeFazio (D, District 4) has >introduced 9 separate bills "aimed at ending school >violence." > >Included are bills which will: > > * mandate trigger locks (HR 4441) > * require "safe" storage of firearms (HR 4444 "Under this > legislation it will be a criminal misdemeanor if a child > gains access to a loaded firearm that has not been > properly stored and and the child either carries the gun > in public or uses it to shoot someone including himself > or herself" -- DeFazios's words) > * force background checks for firearms purchases at gun > shows (HR 4442) > * strip dealers of their FFL if they sell to a minor > (HR 4443) > >Of course, NONE of these measures would have had any >effect on the criminal who was responsible for the >shootings at Thurston High School. > >Gun sales to minors are already illegal and carry severe >penalties and the other provisions of DeFazio's bills >would have in no way altered the outcome of that crime. > >DeFazio is grandstanding and using the Thurston tragedy >to promote himself and his reelection while hiding behind >his NRA endorsement. What DeFazio really wants is an easy >way to prosecute law-abiding gun owners whose guns are >stolen and used in crimes. > >Call Representative DeFazio and tell him that you don't >want an NRA endorsement to be used as a smokescreen for >someone to restrict your rights. > >DeFazio can be reached at (800) 944-9603 in Oregon, or >(202) 225-6416 in Washington D.C. > >His address is: >2134 Rayburn House Office Building >Washington D.C 20515 > >e-mail: peter.defazio@mail.house.gov > >**************************************************************** >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting >up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to >the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and >carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, >and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per >week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this >notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and indicate your state of >residence in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, >reply to any alert and ask to be removed. > > S. "Getting the facts right is a fundamental requirement of morality." - -- Peter W. Huber - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 16:37:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: History for today (fwd) On Aug 12, farout@netunlimited.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The following essay is written by Massad Ayoob, the ranking sensei of the defensive pistol. Mr. Ayoob is not only the leading instructor and instructor trainer in handguns, he is also heavily in demand as an expert witness in lawsuits involving the use of lethal force, as well as being a sworn police officer for almost 20 years. Ayoob runs his defensive firearms academy, Lethal Force Institute, in Grantham, New Hampshire. This essay was printed in the June, 1994 issue of Guns Magazine. ============================================================================== I have been an activist for firearms rights all my adult life. However, only now have I begun to feel like a Jew in the Warsaw Ghetto. Only now have all of us American gun owners lived under a regime that has made it clear that it would rather our kind did not exist, and which has publicly dedicated itself to reducing our numbers. Let us, for a moment, set aside the Second Amendment. In the time of political correctness, we need to address politically correct issues before we talk about the fundamental cornerstones of freedom guaranteed by our Constitution. Do not speak to me of James Madison. Speak to me of defamation. There are Americans alive who can remember the Jim Crow years, when African-Americans were stereotyped in cartoons as baboons or Stepin Fetchit characters. There was a time when Jews were portrayed as hook-nosed, snaggle-toothed avatars of soulless greed. Until very recently, national newspapers and magazines ran cartoons that depicted Arabs with vulpine features. Except for racist hate literature, that sort of thing is gone from the mainstream media of 1994. Well, almost gone. Caught some anti-gun political cartoons lately? The gun owners and gun dealers will be depicted as physically unattractive, dirty, unkempt, and possibly keeping company with drug dealers. Mario Cuomo, spoken of as a potential Clinton appointee to the Supreme Court, has described hunters as drunken slobs who lie to their wives about their whereabouts over the weekend. Cuomo's implicit caricature of us is a graphic example of how we are seen by the in crowd that currently occupies the White House campus. We who own guns for personal and family protection are targets of opportunity for this sort of slander and libel. We have no anti-defamation league of our own. Shall we go to the American Civil Liberties Union for help? We shall receive there as much succor as the victims of the pogroms would have received from the Hitler Youth. In both cases, the victims were not politically correct, and in both cases, the organization in question would never have spoken against its own candidate. Do not speak to me of Thomas Jefferson. Speak to me of civil rights. President Clinton has spoken enthusiastically of the proposals by the politically opportunistic mayors of our two largest cities to limit handgun ownership with a scheme of needs-based licensing. History shows where they come from. We've seen it in their cities in the issuance of permits to carry concealed handguns. In the Los Angeles of Mayor Riordan or the New York of Mayor Guiliani, needs-based licensing has meant and still means, this: If you are a Eurocentric white male with a lot of money, and preferably have contributed money to the party in power, you have a need and well consider giving you a license. When that is applied to mere ownership o handguns, I think we all know where it is going. The Clinton-approved concept of needs-based licensing for ownership discriminates against citizens, black, brown, red and yellow. It discriminates against the old, with their traditionally fixed incomes, and against the sick and the crippled who need a defense gun most, but are most likely to be burdened by the sort of medical debt that the First Lady has so often decried. Although those who would make the gun owners of America as extinct in America as German Jews in 1944 Berlin would paint themselves as the champions of the poor and the oppressed and the people of color, the fact is in this nation that the yoke of poverty has fallen most heavily on just those citizens. It is they who are most likely to be trapped in the pockets of poverty that the call the inner city, the places where crime breeds. It is they who are most likely to be preyed upon by criminals. It is they who most need the wherewithal to defend themselves. It is they who, cruelly and ironically, will be hardest-hit by the enormous guns and ammunition taxes proposed by the Clinton administration and its supporters, taxes that would make the tools of self defense prohibitively expensive for all but the rich and secure. These proposed laws impact most brutally, sometimes with life or death consequences, upon the poor, upon the victims of politically incorrect, but nonetheless very real, discrimination. Don't speak to me of the Minutemen at Concord and Lexington. Speak to me of sexism. Who among today's electorate does not remember the horror of the young woman ravaged by the wilders in Central Park? Would Mace or a rape whistle have worked for her? Can any mother of any daughter, no matter what her political beliefs, examine the scenario and not wish that, if the daughter in question was hers, she would have in hand a high-capacity semiautomatic pistol she knew how to use? The gun isn't know as the equalizer for nothing. Nothing less will balance the lethal disparity of force that the predatory male, alone or in packs, can exert at will over the lone female. How great would be the hypocrisy of politically active women who worked to keep that life- saving power away from their sisters and their daughters? Don't tell me about the Second Amendment. Tell me about the Fourth. The one that supposedly preserves us from unlawful search and seizure. The administration speaks of banning assault rifles. Where the toe has been dipped in those waters -- New York City, and the New Jersey of the same former Governor Florio who, insiders say, the President wants to appoint as a gun czar -- the five year-old model of Great Britain has been followed. Expensive firearms are banned, citizens are paid a few cents on the dollar for turning them into the government, or nothing at all if they destroy their property. Understand the horror! For the first time in this nations history, we are talking about the confiscation of private property, lawfully purchased and responsibly owned, without fair market value compensation under the eminent domain principle! Eminent domain says that if the Government determines that to preserve the public good it must take your property, it must at least pay current fair price to you before doing so. Considering how many guns -- some with more than a century of service in hunting fields and the target ranges-- are involved, and how high the current readily-salable retail has gone for AUGs and AR-15s and the like. The Government would have to spend many millions of dollars to compensate under the eminent domain principle. Billions that would save far more lives if devoted to medical research or housing the homeless, or drug interdiction, or feeding the hungry, or... Finally, at the end, do speak to me of the Second Amendment. Tell me why this alone, amongst every other precious standard of individual liberty in the entire Bill of Rights, should apply to auxiliary soldiers when the rest speak to citizens one by one? Don't be so blatantly stupid as to tell anyone who passed elementary school American History that the Second Amendment was about the National Guard. In the time of American Revolution, the national guard would have been Tories loyal to King George. I do not think that Madison and company felt a need to keep them armed. The fight for the next three years goes to the heart of your freedom, and that of you children and grandchildren. It will not be fought with guns and bullets. It will only be about them. It will be fought with political activism and common sense. It will be fought by reaching out to new allies, by forging coalitions of those who have already learned the hard way the truth that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. - -- "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." - Sir Winston Churchill Sent to you by: Jay Shore NC Delegate, 3rd Continental Congress [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 23:33:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Peter W. Martin: liibulletin - A Brief Report, Announcement & Solicitation] (fwd) On Aug 12, Rich Zellich wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thought these web-based resources might be of use... - -Rich - ----- Forwarded message # 1: Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:46:30 EDT From: "Peter W. Martin" To: liibulletin@listserv.law.cornell.edu Subject: liibulletin - A Brief Report, Announcement & Solicitation Reply-To: martin@WWW.LAW.CORNELL.EDU Sender: owner-liibulletin@listserv.law.cornell.edu - --------------------------------------------------------------- AN E-BULLETIN LEGAL INFORMATION INSTITUTE -- CORNELL LAW SCHOOL lii@lii.law.cornell.edu - --------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================== Summer is not Vacation Time at the LII =============================================================== While the Supreme Court's term ended at the end of June, work at the LII did not. 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Martin Co-Director, LII - ----- End of forwarded messages [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Seminar on Taking Back Our Constitution! (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:50:27 -0400 From: Angie Wheeler To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Seminar on Taking Back Our Constitution! Dear Free Congress Foundation Friend, Are you a concerned American citizen? If you are, then you know that the federal judiciary has strayed from the role America's founders meant for it. Instead, the federal judiciary makes decisions that should be left up to the people. There is a solution, and YOU can be a part of it! It is time for Americans to Take Back Our Constitution. What options are available to you? What options are available to you to combat the federal judiciary whose broadened powers threaten the very foundation America was built upon? The Free Congress Foundation offers you the opportunity to impact the way our country is governed, via Internet and satellite-in its six-part Taking Back Our Constitution series offered to you absolutely FREE! That's right, you can interact with American's top legal experts & scholars by accessing Free Congress Foundation's webpage at http//www.fcref.org/constitution, or by America's Voice Network via GE 1 @ 103 Degrees Transponder 19-H C band satellite. This live and interactive series will allow you to converse with constitutional experts and ask them questions via email, fax, and phone calls. Call the Free Congress Foundation now to receive FREE reading materials that pertain to the series! You won't want to miss the next special coming up on September 19, 1998- entitled "Your Citizenship" at 1 PM - 4 PM Eastern/10 AM - 1 PM Pacific. Email now to take part in this FREE, live, & interactive broadcast of Taking Back Our Constitution by Contacting Angie Wheeler at awheeler@fcref.org or call 1-800-548-7299 ext. 450. REMEMBER WHEN RESPONDING, PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, & PHONE NUMBER! We look forward to your participation in this rewarding opportunity! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 09:55:19 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Fw: [FP] Your turn to play Big Brother (fwd) On Aug 14, Terry Walker wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----Original Message----- From: ScanThisNews To: Scan This News Recipients List Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 6:47 AM Subject: [FP] Your turn to play Big Brother >Tuesday, August 11, 1998 > >INTERSCOPE > >Lisa Ronthal's >Exclusive commentary > >Your turn to play Big Brother >Audit your representatives through the Web > >[The complete article is at WorldNetDaily:] >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ronthal/980811.comlr.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >---- > >Audit your representatives' finances online > >They do it to you -- now you can do it to them. Thanks to the nonprofit >Center for Responsive Politics, you have quick, easy Web access, right now, >to detailed information about your elected representatives' finances. Here >are just a few of the things you can find out via the CRP site: Examine any >member of Congress' personal financial disclosure forms >(http://www.crp.org/pfds/) Look up representatives' campaign money profiles >(http://www.crp.org/candidates/index.htm) Find individual contributors to >federal candidates, PACs, or party committees -- the site lets you look them >up by name, ZIP code, employer, or candidate >(http://www.crp.org/indivs/public/htdocs/) Profile the money breakdown of >any 1998 House or Senate race (http://www.crp.org/1998elect/index.htm) The >CRP maintains databases on everything from White House coffees to >Congressional travel to tobacco money -- and it's all online. > >All this information is technically available through other channels; the >difference is that now it's practically and simply available, for the >taking, to anyone with access to an Internet connection. And that is the >information revolution in a nutshell. This Web site isn't just an important >political resource in itself: it's also a superb example of the >still-too-infrequently-realized potential of the Internet for altering the >balance of power in favor of the individual. > >If you thought the government's tendency to try to place controls on >Internet use was really all about child pornography, think again. It's >certainly not about controlling child porn; I would imagine that it's not a >question of controlling cultural-political content at all -- I've no doubt >the state is perfectly happy to be able to monitor its opponents of all >sorts through their activity online. No. It's all about the flow of >information itself. > >[snop] > >The balance of the article is at: >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ronthal/980811.comlr.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 13:12:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Columbus, Ohio Assault Weapon Victory! (fwd) On Aug 16, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ______________________________________ Bob Mueller Second Amendment Research Network - http://www.infinet.com/~bmueller/Index.html D, 6/52 ADA Alumni Association Commander http://www.gather.com/d652ada/ - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Gaylor To: Matthew Gaylor Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 15:44 Subject: Columbus, Ohio Assault Weapon Victory! :[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Peoples Rights Organization (PRO) is a gun :rights organization based in Columbus, OH 3953 Indianola Ave.; Columbus, :OH 43214; :Tel (614) 268-0122 FAX (614) 261-9100 (note new FAX number!) :EMAIL:CompuServe ID: 73427,1615 INTERNET: 2PRO@compuserve.com or :dcarney@freenet.columbus.oh.us . Files of their newsletter the PROponent :back issues are available by email request at: 2pro@compuserve.com Or :any of the above email addresses. I personally know the chairman and vice :chair of PRO and I can say that they spend an incredible amount of effort :in defense of our 2nd amendment freedom. This particular announcement is :from PRO's Chairman Jim Ramm. Jim is a retired police Sgt. and is a :sitting board member of the National Rifle Association.] : : :From: #jramm :Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 : :IT'S BEEN A LONG WAIT, BUT IT WAS WORTH IT!!!! THE U.S. COURT OF :APPEALS FOR THE 6TH CIRCUIT HAS REACHED ITS DECISION ON THE PRO V :COLUMBUS ASSAULT WEAPON BAN SUIT. : :This is the last paragraph of a 4 page fax I got from Stephen P. :Halbrook, Ph.D. (our attorney) yesterday afternoon describing the court's :decision: : : "In sum, the Columbus assault weapon ban in nullified by the :decision based on the grandfather clause being violative of equal :protection and all of the assault weapon definitions being vague. The :high capacity magazine ban is nullified because its grandfather clause is :violative of equal protection." : :The only thing which could have made this decision better would have been :if the court had linked the ordinance to a violation of constitutional :protections under Art. II U. S. Constitution and Art. I, Section IV, Ohio :Constitution. : :This is a quote from the decision, "Nevertheless, it is well established :that due process protects our citizens from vague legislation even when :that legislation regulates conduct which otherwise does not enjoy :constitutional protection." This could be the one hope that Columbus has :in either appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court or dropping this and :drafting a completely new ban. Rest assured; if Columbus attempts to go :further PRO will be there to stand in their way (as always)! : :The complete decision can be downloaded from the following URL (thanks to :Billie Grey and Steve Halbrook's office for providing it): : : http://www.law.emory.edu/6circuit/july98/98a0210p.06.html : :Constitutionally, : :Jim Ramm :Chairman, PRO : :************************************************************************** :Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues :Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA :on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) :Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 :Archived at http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=FA@coil.com :************************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 17:14:27 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Timely Poetry (fwd) On Aug 16, Dennis Justice wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] OK. Put your coffee cup down and swallow or spit out any thing in you mouth before you read this! ================== This is from a contest on Long Island. The requirements were to use the words Lewinski and Kaczynski in a limerick. Here are the 3 winners. Entry # 1 There once was a gal named Lewinsky Who played on a flute like Stravinsky 'Twas "Hail to the Chief" on this flute made of beef that stole the front page from Kaczynski. Entry # 2 Said Bill Clinton to young Ms. Lewinsky We don't want to leave clues like Kaczynski, Since you look such a mess, use the hem of your dress And wipe that stuff off of your chinsky. Entry # 3 Lewinsky and Clinton have shown what Kaczynski must surely have known: that an intern is better than a bomb in a letter given the choice of how to be blown. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:49:09 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Just a "coinincidance" I'm sure...NOT Any one else find it curious that TBS chose to air "The American President", featuring a "good guy" President, maligned by an evil Right Winger, just out for votes, tonight of all possibile nights, just before a President with similar political leanings is going to testify before a grand jury about about..well y'all know. Not once mind you, but twice back to back. I guess this tells us how stupid certain, shall we say elitists, think the rest of us out here in fly-over country, are. Relavance to arms rights lists? The "President" sympathetically portrayed in the movie was fore-square for gun control, stating in the final climactic speech, that "Assault weapons and handguns" are a threat to national security. He also found nothing incongruous in berating his antagonist for attacking the ACLU, stating that it is an organization whose sole purpose is to support the Bill of Rights, and then about two sentences later coming out for infringing upon "the right of the people to keep and bear arms". Seems like there is something about that in the BoR too. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Ferris Subject: Who Cares? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, can order the use of nuclear weaponry? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, can send American's brave sons and daughters wearing military uniforms into assorted hell holes around the Third World? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, can give a direct order to the Attorney General of the United States, the nation's highest ranking law enforcement officer? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, unfaithful to his spouse, whom he swore, in a house of God, to honor, is also unfaithful to the U.S. Constitution, which he swore, with his hand resting on a Bible, to protect and defend? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, under oath, spins lawyer-construed tales of half-truths and quasi-lies, before a grand jury of Americans? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, took physical advantage of a young, unpaid female White House intern (volunteer) and, in the process, compromised both personal honor and the Presidency? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, if re-investigated *today* for eligibility to have access to classified defense or national security-related information, could not be cleared for access to "For Official Use Only" inter-agency memoranda, much less any CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, TOP SECRET or sensitive compartmented information, due to his recurring displays of poor judgment, his demonstrated moral turpitude and his proven inability to tell the truth? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, is a cunning cad, a reckless rogue, a wandering womanizer and a proven threat to America's daughters? Who cares ... If the President, a liar who, in speeches, condemns terrorism against Americans, terrorizes American women behind closed doors in his never ending search for sexual gratification and in his lust to dominate and to overpower members of the opposite gender? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, is viewed as "the most powerful person in the world", as a "leader" whose every decision affects people worldwide? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, can employ his minions within the federal bureaucracy and his cronies within Congress to defend his egregious misconduct and to vilify and demonize any Americans who would dare question his political chicanery or his fitness to remain in office? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, can be depended upon to stonewall, to dissemble, to equivocate, to forget, to not know, to not recall, to spout verbal jibberish, to view the truth as irrelevant, and to behave in this way, without shame, on a daily basis? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, is the walking representation of absence of duty, lack of honor and total disregard for Country? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, may well be assaulting someone else's young daughter tomorrow night, now that his Carville-spun "political survival machine" has finished trashing vulnerable Monica Lewinsky? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, even if admitting to past commission of perjury or if committing new perjury with regard to his so-called "relationship" with a female White House intern, will not resign from office for the good of the Country? Who cares ... If the President, a liar who cannot control his base impulse to engage in amoral behavior, constantly promulgates oppressive executive orders and asks Congress to pass oppressive legislation which slowly strangle the freedom of ordinary Americans to live their lives free from unnecessary governmental regulation or interference? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, is the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. armed forces which operate in an increasingly dangerous, unstable world? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, is the direct supervisor of the Director of Central Intelligence, of the Secretary of State, of the Attorney General, of the Secretary of the Treasury, of the Secretary of Defense, etc.? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, a politician who constantly prattles about his concern "for the children", is, tragically, a sexual predator who hunts for American females who have barely left childhood and reached adulthood? Who cares ... If the President, a liar, sets an abysmally poor moral example for America's children as he shamelessly "chases skirts", dishonoring his wife, his daughter and his marriage in the process? This proud American citizen, devoted husband, loving father of two daughters, military veteran and voter cares. And he does not care that media polls state that many other Americans do not care. He cares. And he hopes fervently that many other Americans care, too. Because, while "sex" may "not matter" to many Americans, DUTY, HONOR and COUNTRY still do. Christopher C. Ferris ferriscc@mainstream.net - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #175 *************************