From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #182 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 182 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Sep 98 00:48:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Pro-gun editorial (fwd) On Sep 5, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:LABBE/1:LABBE090398.html An excerpt: "According to the Department of Justice's proposed rule for the instant checks, the FBI has the "authority to establish, collect and retain fees for processing name checks for non-criminal justice purposes." Hold the phone right here. Why would we be doing this if it wasn't for the purposes of criminal justice? Sarah Brady, Handgun Control Inc. and other proponents of the Brady Act have long advocated that the law was meant to keep known bad people from doing unknown bad things with guns. If attempting to keep convicted felons from buying a gun is a non-criminal justice process, I'll be the first to quack like a duck. The clock is ticking on the public comments period on the proposed rule that will establish the gun tax. It's a bad rule; Congress should appropriate the money needed for law enforcement efforts and not tax a targeted group of citizens who are just trying to exercise their right under the Second Amendment. Anyone who shares that opinion should let the feds know, in writing, on or before Sept. 16." ______________________________________ Bob Mueller Second Amendment Research Network - http://www.infinet.com/~bmueller/Index.html D, 6/52 ADA Alumni Association Commander http://www.gather.com/d652ada/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 98 00:45:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: GTE to CCW Holders - "Up Yours" - Input from 2d Amd Library (fwd) On Sep 6, globallaw@tidalwave.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Recap: GTE (Now merging with Bell Atlantic if I understand their homepage correctly) has decided on a corporate policy of banning CCWs from their storefront outlets. We aim to change all that. Here's an excellent response from Mark Fuller from the Second Amendment Library. It appears they have had some success in addressing similar situations in the sunny state of Arizona. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for us as well. Mark has given me permission to forward his letter to the various RKBA listservs. In the meantime I have requested that he send us a few examples letters that have worked for him in the past. This is GTE's contact page Addresses, 1-800 numbers and e-mail. Dontcha love technology? http://www.gte.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi Regards, Rick V. - --------------708725E82A3D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from smtp04.primenet.com ([206.165.6.134]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 357 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:41:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13740 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:45:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199809060345.UAA13740@smtp04.primenet.com> Received: from ip-22-034.phx.primenet.com(206.165.22.34), claiming to be "MFULLER" via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd013718; Sat Sep 5 20:45:04 1998 From: "Mark A. Fuller" To: "globallaw@tidalwave.net" Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 20:43:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Mark A. Fuller" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: GTE ban I read your note about a ban at GTE. The best way to handle this is to get the names and addresses of regional directors, someone high on the food chain, and send them a certified return-reciept letter informing them of the problems with this ban and that hundreds of people will be watching for acts of violence and will turn this documentation over to the victim or her survivors for use in a civil suit. The problems you should mention should touch on how the stores have implemented a "honor system" policy, a system which gives the appearance that they don't permit weapons in the store, but absent any guards and checking of customers to ensure noone does. Obviously those with no criminal intent will be the ones to honor the signs, and those intent on criminal activity won't. And there'll be nobody admitting customers enforcing this so-called "rule". This is, in essense, a fraud and a false contract. It could be by ignorance, but upon sending the letter it will be willful and with knowlege. (be sure to mention that). The other problem builds upon the first. By disarming patrons and advertising their disarmed nature, GTE is effectively drawing predatory criminals to its customers with a big sign reading "easy pickings". The fact that they take no steps to provide for the security of their customers, even those in the parking lot, raises serious issues about GTE's culpability in any injuries that may occur. The parking lot raises even more serious questions. GTE is causing people to leave their weapons in unattended cars. If a criminal is looking to obtain a hot gun, such a parking lot would be a perfect place to break into cars. If a gun were stolen and used in violence, there would be scores of personal injury lawyers just waiting to sue deep pockets over their creating the condition for such irresponsible gun storage. And of course, you and your cohorts will have the documentation just waiting to give to one. We've done this in AZ and had pretty good luck with it except for government properties. Governments don't care if their sued because it's not their money. Small price to pay in getting across a social lesson. Few would say private businesses can't control behavior on their property. The problem with this scheme is that they aren't doing _anything_ to control the behavior they would like everyone to believe they are controlling. Everything about it is wreckless and endangering. (be sure to say this). If they wish to control behavior in a responsible manner, they should have an armed guard and lockers for people to store their weapons in upon entering the store. The problem with what they're doing is that, once you give the appearance of controlling behavior, you're on the hook for it. They should leave it alone and claim no responsibility, or they should make an honest effort. What they're doing is a sham which opens them up to severe liability on numerous fronts (especially outside the premises where they _know_ they have no chance of providing for your safety). By putting them on notice and retaining documentation of that notice, you've got them by the throat. You'll be holding a lottery ticket just waiting for a winner/loser. If this is what they want to do, then make them completely responsible. Make them demonstrate how devoted they are to this principle. Mark Second Amendment Law Library, recent legal scholarship at: http://www.2ndlawlib.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 07:55:04 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: Test This is a test - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 12:46:02 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: The Original Clinton Presidential Library This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------9FB12979145B139990D0532B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://members.aol.com/rhrongstad/history/originalclintonlibrary.htm - --------------9FB12979145B139990D0532B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="originalclintonlibrary.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="originalclintonlibrary.htm" Content-Base: "http://members.aol.com/rhrongstad/hist ory/originalclintonlibrary.htm" The Original Clinton Presidential Library

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This is a lot of fun!

There no doubt will be a Clinton Library, or libraries.

The library will be supported by grants, donations in cash, federal fat cat tax write-offs, tons and tons of money collected by the Internal Revenue Service, and/or donations in kind (books, papers, video tapes, phone-taps, etc.)

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- - Das Kapital
- - Communist Manifesto
- - Mandate for Change (PPI, Marshall and Schram)
- - Putting People First (PPI, Clinton and Gore)
- - Secret Health Care Hearings (Hillary R. Clinton)
- - Mein Kampf (Alois Schicklegruber's grandson)
- - My New Order (same author as above)
- - New World Order (H.G. Wells)
- - Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot (Al Franken)
- - Al Franken is a buck-toothed moron
- - Slick Willie (Floyd G. Brown)
- - Al Gore, Jr.: Born to Lead (Hank Hillin)
- - Bill Clinton's Agenda for America (Peter Navarro)
- - State of the World Forum Annual Reports (1995-1998) Mikhail Gorbachev
- - Pals* (Buddy Clinton, Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin)
- - The Best President Money Can Buy* (Screen Actors Guild)
- - For Better or For Worse* (NOW)
- - Why I should be protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act* (Bill Clinton)
- - Somalia: My Shining Moment* (Bill Clinton)
- - Why the father of the Medal of Honor winner dissed me: The Real Story* (Bill Clinton)
- - Filegate* (by Craig Livingstone, publisher, OfficeMax)
- - My Country, My Right to Serve (Humphrey)
- - It takes a village
- - It takes a bathhouse* (Roberta Achtenberg)
- - Rally 'round the Fag Boys* (FOB)
- - Vince Foster Was a Friend of Mine* (Bill and Hillary Clinton)
- - Ron BrownGate* (anonymous)
- - Wag the Dog
- - Waco: Responsibility not Accountability* (Janet Reno)
- - Whitewater Rafting*
- - Secret Services* (expose of PPA, the Presidential Procurement Agency)
- - We Tried Our Best Bill* (CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, New York Times, Washington Post)
- - Chinagate: The Real Story (Al Gore, Jr.)*
- - Chinagate: The Real, Real Story (Wun Hung Low)*
- - Chinese Intelligence Operations (Nicholas Eftimiades) (mint condition)
- - COSCO: From Chinatown to Chinastate* (by Duncan Hunter, Duke Cunningham and Bob Dornan, pub. by Xinhua)
- - Monica: My Life with Bill* (William Ginsberg and Monica Lewinsky)
(Also proposed as My Two Bills, and I Can't Pay Bill because Bill Won't Pay Me)
- - Me and Larry and Bill: Raising the dead* (by Shelia Lawrence)
- - Fort Pinocchio: The White House* (title originally suggested by David Hackworth)
- - The Ten Commandments Should Be the Ten Suggestions: The Wisdom of Ted Turner, Bill Clinton, and Madalyn Murray O'Hair* (Pat Robertson)
- - Unabomber Manifesto (Ted)
- - Special Prosecuter's Report (Starr report)

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- - Saving Clinton's Privates* (film, Steven Spielberg)

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    - --------------9FB12979145B139990D0532B-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:33:00 -0700 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: FREE: Federal Resources for Educational Excellence The came to me by way of a nationwide "Education" mailing list. These people KNOW that the battle for the hearts and minds of the country will be won or lost through the young people, people who aren't even in the school systems yet. These people talk about "teachers, federal agencies...can begin forming 'partnerships'" as if it them most normal thing in the world. It is. In totalitarian states. If things aren't scary enough for you yet, check out your friendly doves (pigeons?) at the "CIA Kids Page (Central Intelligence Agency) " link on the page below. Go to the main page, then click on "More for Students". Propaganda anyone? - ---------Enclosure begins------------------------------------------------------------- FEDERAL TEACHING AND LEARNING RESOURCES ONLINE A new Web site for teaching and learning resources, "Federal Resources for Educational Excellence," (http://www.ed.gov/free) offers quick access to hundreds of free teaching and learning resources across the federal government, a place where teachers, federal agencies and other organizations can begin forming partnerships to develop new resources for teaching and learning and information about an effort to support partnerships of federal agencies and teachers, as well as other organizations, to develop Internet-based learning resources and Internet-based learning communities. Kirk Winters, Peter Kickbush, Linda Roberts, Keith Stubbs, Cindy Balmuth U.S. Department of Education kirk_winters@ed.gov - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com "Why is history important? Without history, many people have no idea how many of today's half-baked ideas have been tried, again and again - and have repeatedly led to disaster. Most of these ideas are not new. They are just being recycled with re-treaded rhetoric." --Thomas Sowell - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:31:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: IRS: Lucky Fan May Have to Pay (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:11:49 -0500 From: yarnell@ti.com To: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: IRS: Lucky Fan May Have to Pay http://www.abcnews.com/sections/sports/DailyNews/irsball980908.html By H. Josef Herbert The Associated Press W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 8 - Along with millions of baseball fans, the Internal Revenue Service also is watching for Mark McGwire to smack his historic 62nd home run. But what interests the IRS most is what happens to the baseball. According to the IRS, a fan who snags the record-setting ball and returns it to McGwire may be subject to a federal gift tax if the ball is determined to be worth more than $625,000. Thus the tax man would come even if the fan doesn't get any money for the ball. "The giver is responsible for paying any applicable tax on any large gift," IRS spokesman Steven Pyrek explained Monday. Until the ball leaves the playing field, it is owned by Major League Baseball. But once in the stands it becomes the property of any fan who catches it or comes up with it in what is likely to be a mad scramble. A person receiving a baseball or any other gift owes no taxes as long as he or she keeps it. But a gift tax applies to any property given away that is worth $10,000 or more and a person must pay tax on any profit made on property that is sold. It makes no difference to the IRS whether the item is cash, a piece of jewelry or a record-setting baseball shagged by a bleacher fan. No Such Thing as a Free...Ball Whoever catches McGwire's 62nd home run ball will have a number of options, all of which may have tax implications: - Keep the ball. The fan owes no tax immediately, but the ball will become part of his estate, and be taxable after death. - Sell the ball. The fan would owe taxes on any profit, likely putting him in the highest tax bracket, nearly 40 percent. If sold for $1 million-as some have said the historic ball might be worth - Uncle Sam would get about $400,000. - Give it away. The fan would face a 40 percent gift tax. While the first $625,000 would be exempt because of a lifetime gift tax credit, the fan as a result would lose the right to use that credit as part of his future estate settlement. For a $1 million ball, $375,000 would be subject to the tax. That would amount to $150,000 in taxes. The only way to avoid the IRS would be to give the ball to a charity, which under the tax codes would not have to pay a tax if it turned around and sold the ball for a profit. "One of the biggest problems would be coming up with the value of whatever is given," Pyrek said. He could not say how much-if anything-a fan would have to fork over to the IRS unless it can be determined how much the ball is worth. There's no assurance, of course, that McGwire will hit No. 62, but he has 19 games left to do it. On Monday, Mike Davidson, 28, came up with McGwire's 61st home run ball that tied Roger Maris' record and passed Babe Ruth. Davidson said he planned to return the ball to McGwire and wanted nothing in return. Some collectors have suggested the ball hit Monday could be worth as much as $100,000. Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:02:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Ferris Subject: Suspension of President Clinton's Security Clearances (fwd) Roc and Noban readers: Feel free to share this missive with your concerned U.S. Representatives and U.S. Senators, especially those who serve on the U.S. House Intelligence Committee or U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee ... and who care deeply about protecting classified national security information from compromise. Best regards, Chris Ferris GO-NH NRA IDPA Nashua NH (moved west across the Merrimack River and not north to Maine!) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Ferris To: dpcintrn@osd.pentagon.mil Cc: cbass@hr.house.gov, mailbox@gregg.senate.gov, opinion@smith.senate.gov, directors@gonh.org, nh-conservatives@mainstream.net Subject: Suspension of President Clinton's Security Clearances September 8, 1998 The Honorable William S. Cohen Secretary of Defense 1000 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301-1000 Dear Secretary Cohen: As a fellow alumnus and a 1977 vintage U.S. Army ROTC distinguished military graduate of Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine, I was truly pleased to see that you recently visited with soldiers of the Army's 10th Mountain Division to praise their patriotism. You have not forgotten that the foot soldiers of freedom are the brave infantrymen of the U.S. Army and U.S. Marines who lead the way, unto death if necessary, in defense of our revered Constitution and our rock-solid Republic. Today, however, I write to you about another matter of vital importance. With all due respect, Sir, I must remind you of your obligation to suspend any DoD security clearance (Confidential, Secret, Top Secret or Top Secret code word levels) of any government employee who engages in acts of moral turpitude, who engages in deception or deceit, who evidences possible emotional imbalance or psychological instability, or who engages in sexual acts which make him or her susceptible to blackmail, all of which behavior patterns potentially place national security information at extreme risk. Your colleagues at CIA and DOE have similar obligations when any government employee possessing sensitive CIA security clearances or DOE security clearances (relating to access to nuclear weapons-focused information) is suspected of engaging in misconduct which could compromise classified defense information. Mr. Secretary, President Clinton has lied to the nation, he has engaged in a seven month long campaign of brazen deception and deceit, he has engaged in sexual relations on a recurring basis with a volunteer female intern half his age, and he has given that uncleared intern access to tightly secured Presidential offices where printed, highly classified defense information must often be displayed in open view. Who is to know if Monica Lewinsky could have been an unwitting dupe used by a hostile foreign power's intelligence service? Who, indeed? Independent Counsel Ken Starr's investigation aside, it is time, Sir, for professional personnel security and counterintelligence officers within DoD, CIA and DOE to investigate whether or not President Clinton can be trusted to have continued access to national security information classified at any level. (For the time being, give the President a Rawlings pigskin, and ask the Vice President to watch over the nuclear "football" with the codes.) You are a man of real honor, Mr. Secretary. You and I graduated from the College from which Medal of Honor winner General Joshua L. Chamberlain departed to lead the 20th Maine to victory at Little Round Top during the Battle of Gettysburg and to which school he later returned as president. My great grandfather, William John Curtis, graduated from Bowdoin College during the 1870s while General Chamberlain was the College's president. Honor runs deep at Bowdoin College and within my family, as it does in yours. Bowdoin College alumni never hesitate to serve their Country and to do their duty when faced with daunting circumstances. You will do the right thing. You will make the right decision. Of that, I have no doubt whatsoever. Suspend President Clinton's security clearances without delay, pending initiation and completion of a full investigation of his fitness to have continued access to classified information. Then, at that time, make an objective, fair decision with regard to revocation or reinstatement of his security clearances. Remind your counterparts at CIA and DOE of their duty to act in an identical manner. As a former U.S. Army commissioned officer who served for over five years in Military Intelligence branch, I saw what happened to "cleared" personnel who behaved as President Clinton has behaved. Their security clearances were always suspended, pending results of investigations. President Clinton is subject to the same scrutiny as any cleared government employee who is suspected of engaging in misconduct which may compromise national security information. President Clinton is not above the law. DoD's strict policies regarding suspension of security clearances apply to the President of the United States just as they do to any other cleared federal government employee or cleared defense contractor. Mr. Secretary, you can certainly appreciate that this is a matter of grave consequence. I urge you to commence this important process of suspending the President's clearances and of investigating him without delay and to work with the Director of Central Intelligence, the Secretary of Energy and the Chairpersons of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee and the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee to find facts, then report back to Congress and, eventually, to the American people. Let the truth be known, Sir, and let our national security be preserved as a result of your attending well to your sworn duty as Secretary of Defense. I have forwarded copies of this correspondence to Congressman Charles Bass (R-NH), to Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) and to Senator Bob Smith (R-NH.) I am encouraging these gentlemen to share this critical information with their colleagues, Republicans and Democrats alike, on the intelligence committees of the U.S House of Representatives and of the U.S. Senate. Protecting classified information from compromise is an apolitical, non-partisan goal of major significance which merits the immediate attention of all members of Congress and all American citizens. The courtesy of a formal, written reply to this correspondence is requested. Thank you for affording me, as a concerned Bowdoin College alumnus, as a military veteran and as a patriotic American, this invaluable forum to present my reasoned opinion for your review and response. Sincerely, Christopher C. Ferris 186 Coburn Woods Nashua NH 03063-2860 ferriscc@mainstream.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:02:20 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Suspension of President Clinton's Security Clearances (fwd) At 10:32 PM 9/8/98 -0400, Chris Ferris wrote: >Roc and Noban readers: > >Feel free to share this missive with your concerned U.S. Representatives and >U.S. Senators, especially those who serve on the U.S. House Intelligence >Committee or U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee ... and who care deeply >about protecting classified national security information from compromise. > >Best regards, Nice idea, but the President doesn't have a security clearance in the normal sense. Neither do Congressmen or Senators. Back when I was dealing with such stuff as an officer of the U.S. Air Force, Active and later Reserve, we were told that anything a Congressman asks for, they get, even Ron Dellums, back before he had enough seniority to be a signifigent commitee player, let alone once he became the number 2 majority member. This most assuredly does not apply to any appointed official, civilian, military, they must have a clearance to have access. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) >From: Chris Ferris >To: dpcintrn@osd.pentagon.mil >Cc: cbass@hr.house.gov, mailbox@gregg.senate.gov, opinion@smith.senate.gov, > directors@gonh.org, nh-conservatives@mainstream.net >Subject: Suspension of President Clinton's Security Clearances > . . . >Dear Secretary Cohen: > . . . >Today, however, I write to you about another matter of vital importance. >With all due respect, Sir, I must remind you of your obligation to suspend >any DoD security clearance (Confidential, Secret, Top Secret or Top >Secret code word levels) of any government employee who engages in acts >of moral turpitude, who engages in deception or deceit, who evidences >possible emotional imbalance or psychological instability, or who engages >in sexual acts which make him or her susceptible to blackmail, all of >which behavior patterns potentially place national security information at >extreme risk. Your colleagues at CIA and DOE have similar obligations when >any government employee possessing sensitive CIA security clearances or DOE >security clearances (relating to access to nuclear weapons-focused >information) is suspected of engaging in misconduct which could compromise >classified defense information. > >As a former U.S. Army commissioned officer who served for over five years >in Military Intelligence branch, I saw what happened to "cleared" personnel >who behaved as President Clinton has behaved. Their security clearances >were always suspended, pending results of investigations. President >Clinton is subject to the same scrutiny as any cleared government employee Oh , that he were so subject. >who is suspected of engaging in misconduct which may compromise national >security information. President Clinton is not above the law. DoD's >strict policies regarding suspension of security clearances apply to the >President of the United States just as they do to any other cleared federal >government employee or cleared defense contractor. No they don't. In this particular case, the President, along with the Congress Critters, *are* "above the law". Actually they are exceptions to it. It has to be this way if we are to maintain civilian control of the military by our *elected* officials. > >Mr. Secretary, you can certainly appreciate that this is a matter of grave >consequence. I urge you to commence this important process of suspending the >President's clearances and of investigating him without delay and to work >with the Director of Central Intelligence, the Secretary of Energy and the >Chairpersons of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee and the U.S. Senate >Intelligence Committee to find facts, then report back to Congress and, >eventually, to the American people. Let the truth be known, Sir, and let our >national security be preserved as a result of your attending well to your >sworn duty as Secretary of Defense. Hmm, I suspect upon a bill of impeachment being passed in the House, equivalent to a grand jury indictment, something could be worked out with the House Intelligence commitee., although it would be a bitch getting it past the Supreme Court. The President remains the Commander in Chief, until relieved. Now the cabinet and the Tree-Man, could declare the President to be incapacitated, per the 25th Amendment. But that will happen about the same time Hell freezes over. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:32:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Resign list to date: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:20:09 - -0400 From: "Gregory" Subject: CAS: Fw: The LIST of US Congress Members Asking Clinton to Resign & Others..... !!! Updated ; As of 08 September 1998 ; 8:00 PM edt Resign / I. Tally List, as updated: A1) U.S. House of Reps. (Initiation Phase): Total : 028 of 218 (12.84 %) (needed 50+% of U.S. House =218 Reps.) 1) U.S. Rep. Dick Armey, (R-26 TX.) Majority LeaderU.S.House/Rep. 2) U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay, (R-22 TX.) Maj. Whip U.S. House of Rep. 3) U.S. Rep. Paul McHale (D-15 PA.) 4) U.S. Rep. Bob Barr (R-7 GA.) 5) U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt (R-5 WA.) 6) U.S. Rep. Matt Salmon (R-1 AZ.) 7) U.S. Rep. Vince Snowbarger (R-3 KS.) 8) U.S. Rep Charles "Chip" Pickering (R-3 MS) 9) U.S. Rep. Frank Riggs (R-1 CA.) 10) U.S. Rep Dan Burton (R-6 IN.) * CO-SPONSORS of HR 304 (Nov. 97):: 'A Res. directing the House Judiciary Committee to conduct a [Pres.] Impeachment Inquiry...' (Who would be FAIRLY committed to vote to impeach, I'd think !!) *11) U.S. Rep. Bob Stump (R-3 AZ.) *12) U.S. Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-1 WY.) *13) U.S. Rep. Lindsey Graham (R-3 S.C.) *14) U.S. Rep. Chris Smith (R-4 N.J.) *15) U.S. Rep. Sam Johnson (R-3 TX.) *16) U.S. Rep. Linda Smith (R-3 WA.) *17) U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-4 KS.) *18) U.S. Rep. Jack Metcalf (R-2 WA.) *19) U.S. Rep. Mark Souder (R-4 IN.) *20) U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-14 TX.) *21) U.S. Rep. Helen Chenowith (R-1 ID.) *22) U.S. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-5 TX.) *23) U.S. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-6 MD.) *24) U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-52 CA.) *25) U.S. Rep. John Doolittle (R-4 CA.) *26) U.S. Rep. John Mica (R-7 FL.) *27) U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston (R-1 GA.) 28) U.S. Rep. James Moran (D-8 VA.) Note: That's 12.84 % "there" already !!! A2) ** U.S. House members "On the Fence": **29) U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-9 OH.) **30) U.S. Rep Gene Taylor (D-5 MS.) _____________________________________________ B1) U.S. Senate (Termination Phase): Total 05 of 66 needed 1) U.S. Sen. Dan Coats (R-IN.) 2) U.S. Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO.) 3) U.S. Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.) 4) U.S. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) 5) U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX.) B2) ??? U.S. Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL.) ??? (Special Case[s]) C1- On the Fence ; C2 ; C3 - Probables; C4 - Honorable High Officeholders; and C5 - Other Notable Mentions: C1) On the Fence: 1) U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA): "....badly shattered......" 2) U.S. Senator Joe Liebermann (D-CT) 3) U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) 4) U.S. Senator Robert Kerrey (D-NE) 5) U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) 6) U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) C2) "Having A Real Hard Time About All This": 1) U.S. Senator Carol Moseley-Braun C3) Probables [18] (please input here as you see fit): 1) U.S. Senator Robert Bennett (R-UT) 2) U.S. Senator Christopher 'Kit' Bond (R-MO) 3) U.S. Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT) 4) U.S. Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS) 5) U.S. Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) 6) U.S. Senator Alfonse D'Amato (R-NY) 7) U.S. Senator Lauch Faircloth (R-NC) 8) U.S. Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) 9) U.S. Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) 10) U.S. Senator Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID) 11) U.S. Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) 12) U.S. Senator Don Nickles (R-OK) 13) U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) 14) U.S. Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL) 15) U.S. Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) 16) U.S. Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) 17) U.S. Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) 18) U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond (R-SC) [Sen.Pres.Pro.Tem.] Current Senator Totals [above]: 31 out of 66 (46.969%) C4) High Officeholders: 1) MS. Governor Kirk Fordyce 2) TX. Governor George Bush Jr. C5) Honorable Mentions: Former U.S. Senator Nancy Kassebaum (R-KS) (1982-1996) Former U.S. Vice President of U.S. Dan Quayle (1989-1993) ??? Former U.S. Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA.) ??? (1972-1996) PA. (State?) Rep. Mike Veon ; Beaver County ; Chm.(Pa.House?) Dem.Pol.Comm. D) Very Important People Unlikely to Stand in the Way: U.S. Rep. Richard "Dick" Gephardt, Minority Leader U.S.House/Rep. ? U.S. Sen. Tom Daschle, U.S. Senate Minority Leader (D-S.D.) ?? - - -- PLEASE !! CORRECT, EXPAND, and report as needed ... ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #182 *************************