From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #183 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 183 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 16:53:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ABC news Starr report just delivered to House (fwd) On Sep 9, Paul M Watson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ABC radio just announced the Starr report just arrived at the House in a FBI van. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 21:42:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Here They Come-- Again (fwd) On Sep 9, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:54:31 -0400 >From: Gun Owners of America >Reply-To: Gun Owners of America >To: goamail@gunowners.org >Subject: Here They Come-- Again >X-Status: > >The Senate Just Won't Quit >-- Look out for Free Speech Ban and Hatch's Horror Bill > >by Gun Owners of America >8001 Forbes Place Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151, 703-321-8585 >http://www.gunowners.org > > >(Wednesday, September 9, 1998)-- Well, the holidays are over >and Congress is back to work. And while you were at those weekend >barbecues enjoying your vacation, legislators in Congress were >scheming to rob you of your cherished rights. > >Anti-gun legislation, that had previously been derailed thanks in >large part to your efforts, is back on track and could soon be voted on. > >For example, Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) abruptly brought up >his Horror Bill for debate last week, but he could not get a Unanimous >Consent agreement that would have allowed a vote on the bill. > >Gun owners should remind their Senators that they do NOT want Hatch's >anti-gun crime bill (S. 10). This bill still applies RICO >(racketeering) penalties to minor gun infractions and would increase >penalties on gun owners who take their kids handgun shooting without >a written note of permission. > >In other news, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) promised >a vote on the Incumbent Protection Bill which would restrict >the free speech rights of citizens that organize together (like your >GOA) to influence legislative policy. While this legislation claims to >reform campaign finance laws, it would really prevent the ability of >groups like GOA to keep you informed on how your legislator is voting. >A vote on this bill is scheduled for tomorrow-- Thursday, September 10. > >HERE'S WHAT TO DO > > * Urge your Senators to oppose Hatch's Horror Bill (S. 10) and the > McCain-Feingold restrictions on free speech (so-called "campaign > finance reform"). Call 202-224-3121. > > * Fax, email or mail the bottom "postcard" to pro-gun Sen. Bob > Smith, asking him to object to any Unanimous Consent agreement > that would allow a vote on S. 10. > > Here's the contact information for Sen. Smith: > > Phone: 202-224-2841 > Email: opinion@smith.senate.gov > Fax: 202-224-1353 > Address: U.S. Senate, Washington, DC 20510 > > >-----clip-n-send------- > >Dear Senator Smith: > >I want to thank you for your bold leadership in opposing the Hatch >Horror Bill (S. 10). I understand that your "hold letter" has had a >tremendous effect in slowing down this legislation, and I commend >you for your efforts. > >I have also learned that Senator Orrin Hatch tried to get a Unanimous >Consent agreement recently to debate this bill and vote on it. He was >unsuccessful. Regardless, I fear he may try again. If he does, I would >urge you to object to any Unanimous Consent agreement that would >bring up S. 10 for a vote. > >Among the many problems in S. 10, this bill still applies RICO >penalties to minor gun infractions and would increase penalties on gun >owners who take their kids handgun shooting without a written note of >permission. Thank you for supporting my gun rights! > >Sincerely, > >------------------------------------------------- > >Final note: Action on the Smith "Anti-Brady" amendment is expected >soon. We will of course keep you updated. > > >**************************************************************** >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting >up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to >the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and >carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, >and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per >week. 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Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda To receive the contents of the FTP site, send [request index.ftp] to davisda@rmi.net ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:49:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Dallas Congressman Pete Sessions says WWW site link to Star report Congressman Pete Sessions just said on WBAP Mark Davis talk show 9:35am that tomorrow Friday he will have a link by 1pm to the Star report at: www.house.gov/session Regards, Paul Watson - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:25:43 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: Impeach The President info@rnc.org (Republican National Committee) EMAIL FEEDBACK: http://www.democrats.org/getactive/guestbook/ What are the two e-mail addresses for? It is for you and your freinds to send e-mails demanding the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton, AND to demand tha Gore not give him amnesty. Do it tonight! and spread it arround. Thanks Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 20:32:16 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Fw: LONG BEACH DEAL DEAD - COSCO Out On National Security (fwd) On Sep 10, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----Original Message----- From: CharlesSmith To: cas@majrodomo.pobox.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:32 PM Subject: LONG BEACH DEAL DEAD - COSCO Out On National Security >Legislators Kill Port Project > >Associated Press >9/9/98 AP writer > >LONG BEACH (AP) Citing national security concerns federal lawmakers have >agreed to kill a Chinese company's planned development on part of a >former U.S. Navy shipyard..... Fueled by fears of a rising Chinese >military threat, congressional conferees in Washington agreed to include >language in the annual defense authorization bill that would bar the >China Ocean Shipping Co. >from leasing space on the former Long Beach Naval Station, port >officials said Tuesday. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 22:34:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fratrum: Polls (fwd) On Sep 11, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This one is from AOL. I don't know if it's still going since I got it from someone else. - Ed In a Florida speech, President Clinton said, "I let my family down. I let this country down. I'm trying to make it right. I'm determined to never let anything like that happen again." Does this apology satisfy you? Yes 61803 35.7% No 111112 64.3% Total votes: 172915 President Clinton said he hopes people will feel good when their children say they want to grow up to be president. Is he a good role model for America's children? Yes 30041 17.5% No 141249 82.5% Total votes: 171290 Do you think that the House of Representatives should proceed with impeachment proceedings against President Clinton? Yes 100878 59.3% No 69356 40.7% Total votes: 170234 Many Democrats have criticized the president's behavior. Do you think it is right for Democrats to criticize the president at this time, or should they stand by their man? Yes, the right thing to do is to stand up and criticize the president's behavior 124912 73.3% No, Democrats should stand behind their president in his hour of difficulty 45453 26.7% Total votes: 170365 Do you approve of President Clinton? Yes 50402 29.4% No 121135 70.6% Total votes: 171537 Do you approve of the job President Clinton is doing? Yes 80597 46.8% No 91464 53.2% Total votes: 172061 I am Male 104612 60.8% Female 67520 39.2% Total votes: 172132 I am a Democrat 43483 25.3% a Republican 60368 35.1% unaffiliated with either major party 68068 39.6% Total votes: 171919 If you want to vote go here: Investigating the President Subject: [Fwd: Impeach Clinton online Petition] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------33F5C5B458A56E6582FACC53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------33F5C5B458A56E6582FACC53 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from fs1.mainstream.net (smap@fs1.mainstream.net [206.97.102.4]) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17131 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:10:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA21167; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma020705; Sat Sep 12 11:06:23 1998 Message-Id: <35FA8990.BA96B36F@mo.net> Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: voyager@mo.net Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: "John C. Wilson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Impeach Clinton online Petition X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Sorry for the mistake in the previous online petition site, it was incorrect. The correct one is below http://www.impeachclinton.org/impeach/petition.html - --------------33F5C5B458A56E6582FACC53-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:11:39 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: What? What one thing does Clinton's Monica gate have in common with Nixon's Watergate? Each had their "deep throat" Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:38:54 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: And The Winner Is: Due Process (By A Landslide) >Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:41:00 -0500 >From: "Chris W. Stark" >Reply-To: "Chris W. Stark" >To: email-subscribers@GOA-Texas.org >Subject: And The Winner Is: Due Process (By A Landslide) >X-Mailer: Chris W. Stark's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] > > ****GOA-Texas e-mail Alert!**** > > GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE > Chris W. Stark - Director > 915 Yacht Ct., P.O. Box 1924 > Crosby, Texas 77532-1924 > Ph. (713) 217-0649 Fax (281) 328-7505 > http://www.GOA-Texas.org > email: Director@GOA-Texas.org > > 09/12/98 > -------- > > > >Re: Russell Laing: [mailto:rlaing@usa.net] > >Various Litigation-- case involving PA Act 17 (1995) -- >Emergency mental health detention (aka "Section 302")by police >without a warrant equates to lifelong loss of right to own/posses >firearms. > > >All, > >I have already won my court case several weeks ago, and had >all of my 2nd amendment rights, including my CCW Liscense, >restored. Belatedly, my attorney received a formal ruling >(reproduced, below) today from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco >& Firearms about the Federal view of PA Act 17 and it's >declaration that a non-adjudicated Section 302 detention >constitutes an "involuntary mental health commitment" sufficient >to cause the forfeiture of all 2nd amendment rights permanently. > >I hope you will take time to read this brief letter from the >BATF, reproduced below. It states clearly and unequivocally >that a non-adjudicated Section 302 detention does NOT provide >due process protections, and therefore does NOT pass >constitutional-muster as a basis to deprive citizens of other >constitutional rights, namely: the right to keep and bear arms. > >There is a lesson here for all Pennsylvania legislators who >voted for Act 17, and the still innadequate due process "fix" >contained in Act 70 of 1998 (SB 543: Section 302 prohibition >also now requires the examining physician to separately "certify" >his belief that the detainee was mentally ill -- by typing up an >uncontested, unrebutted letter and mailing it to the PA State >Police!). PA Act 17 represents an unconstitutional law that >even the BATF has unequivocally ruled to be invalid in that it >absolutely denies the constitutionally guaranteed right to due >process under the law. And the last time I checked, the >Pennsylvania constitution has an even stronger construction >of the 2nd amendment language than is contained in the federal >version. > >How does any PA legislator justify their voting for a law which >says that a non-adjudicated accusation is sufficient to take away >important guaranteed rights under both the state and federal >constitution? > >How do these legislators justify the current rounding up of the >private medical records of ALL citizens (not just gunowners) that >contain these non-adjudicated accusations -- which will now be >used by the governmental authorities (and who knows who else) to >characterize these innocent individuals as dangerous and not to be >trusted. What kind of crazy, Nazi-esque, hysterical law-making is >this? > >You can be sure that all concerned citizens are now going to be >taking a roll-call from those legislators who passed laws that >trivialize the right to due process, the right of privacy for >medical records, and that treat the right to own firearms as a >minor privilege grudgingly conferred and easily withdrawn. > > >REPRODUCED BATF LETTER: > > >September 4, 1998 > >Dept of Treasury >Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms >US Custom House >2nd & Chestnut Streets >Philadelphia PA 19106 > >Mr. Jon Pushinsky, Esquire >1808 Law & Finance Building >429 Fourth Avenue >Pittsburgh, PA 15219 > >Dear Mr. Pushinsky: > >You had asked if a person who has been involuntarily detained for >an emergency mental health examination pursuant to 50 PA Cons STAT >Sect 7302 would be prohibited from possessing firearms under 18 USC >Sec 922(g)(4). You stated that you believe such a person would not >be prohibited. We agree. > >Title 18 USC Sec 922(g)(4) makes it unlawful for a person who has >been committed to a mental institution to possess a firearm. The >term "committed to a mental institution" is defined in 27 CFR Sec >178.11 as follows: > >" A FORMAL commitment of a person to a mental institution by a >court, board, or other lawful authority. The term includes a >commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term >includes a commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. >It also includes commitments for other reasons such as drug use. >THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE A PERSON IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION FOR >OBSERVATION or a voluntary admission to a mental institution." > >An involuntary detention under Section 302 does NOT constitute a >commitment to a mental institution within the meaning of 27 CFR >Sec 178.11. Section 302 provides for temporary emergency measures >and as such falls short of the "formal commitment" described in Sec >178.11. Although Section 302 provides for the immediate medical >treatment of a person deemed by a physician to require it, the >apparent broader purpose of the statute is to enable the authorities >to observe the subject and determine their options within a 120 hour >period. One option is to make an application for extended involuntary >emergency treatment pursuant to 50 PA CONS STAT Section 303. > >Unlike a person detained pursuant to Section 302, a person facing >extended involuntary treatment (up to 20 days) puruant to Sec 303 >is afforded a variety of due process rights including the right to >counsel, notice, and hearing. Pennsylvania also provides for longer >periods of commitment pursuant to CONS STAT Sec 304 & 305. These >sections likewise provide a panoply of due process rights for persons >who might be subject to them. In the context of these provisions for >formal commitments, the distinction between a detention under Sec >302 and a commitment which would meet the definition in CFR 27 Sec >178.11 is clearer still. > >GIVEN THE LACK OF DUE PROCESS provisions afforded by 50 PA CONS >STAT Sec 302, the limited duration of a detention pursuant to it, >the fact that its primary purpose is to provide mental health >officials time to observe a detainee and make an assessment, and >the existance of more formal commitment procedures under >Pennsylvania law, we conclude that a detention under 50 PA CONS >STAT Section 302 does NOT constitute a commitment for the purpose >of 18 USC Sec 922(g)(4). > >If you have additional questions concerning this matter, please do >not hesitate to call ATF Attorney Kevin White at (215) 597-7183. > >Sincerely Yours, > >Lawrence L. Duchnowski >Special Agent in Charge > >END OF REPRODUCED LETTER > > >Instead of rounding up the private, non-adjudicated medical >records of citizens, I say we should round up the legislators >and ask them to declare whether or not they believe that >citizens of this state, and this country, have the right to >the protection of due process. The ones that fail to affirm >this fundamental right -- or fail back it up with action -- >will be sumarily dismissed in this next election. We shouldn't >have to make a belief in the constitutional right to due process >as a litmus test for our elected officials, but the past nightmare >that I've gone through is ample testimony to the terrific cost of >not being constantly vigilant. > >Russell G. Laing > > >***************************************************************** >Gun Owners Alliance >Chris W. Stark - Director >P.O. Box 1924 >Crosby, TX 77532-1924 >Voice: (713) 217-0649 > >EMAIL: Director@GOA-Texas.org > >Visit our Web Page at: http://www.GOA-Texas.org >***************************************************************** >The views contained herein do not necessarily reflect the views >of any other individual or organization, than Gun Owners Alliance. >***************************************************************** > TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR E-MAIL ALERTS, send an e-mail to: > > subscribe@GOA-Texas.org > >...and in the body of the message, type the word "subscribe". >***************************************************************** >We take great care in subscribing only those who wish to be on our >email list. If you feel that you have been subscribed to this list >in error, or if you do not wish to be on this list, I will be glad >to immediately remove your email address from this list. > > TO UN-SUBSCRIBE TO OUR E-MAIL ALERTS, send an e-mail to: > > UN-subscribe@GOA-Texas.org > >..and in the body of the message, type the word "UN-subscribe". >***************************************************************** > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 98 13:33:19 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: AdvAM: CLINTON, William Jefferson (Blythe) (fwd) On Sep 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The ADVANCE AMERICA Network (c) 1998 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON (BLYTHE) (1946-2031) Forty-second and last President of the United States of America, serving from January 20, 1993 until July 4, 2013. He is widely regarded today as the savior of American democracy due to his abolition of the elitist Constitution of 1789, but the first years of his rule were uncertain and rife with danger for the nation and its people. Clinton entered office with unprecedented high support, but amid allegations that he had engaged in conduct which in that era was considered unacceptable in a national leader: marital infidelity, personal cowardice, coercive tactics toward opponents, and use of official power for personal self-enrichment. Also, the then-legal Republican Party staged a coup in the 1994 congressional elections, threatening to block Clinton's political agenda. Clinton managed to evade exposure on the morals charges until 1998, when it became public knowledge that he had carried on a sexual affair with a low-level White House employee in her 20s, and for several weeks it appeared that Clinton could be impeached and removed from office (a power which the 1789 Constitution had unwisely granted to Congress). However, many members of Congress rebelled against the anti-democratic plot by the Republicans to reverse the will of the American people as expressed in the 1992 and 1996 presidential elections, both of which Clinton had won by unprecedented margins, and the effort at impeachment was blocked. Partly out of revulsion at what the Republicans had been about to attempt, and because they saw the injustice inherent in the corrupt Constitution of 1789, with which the Republican Party had identified itself in its impeachment campaign, the American people ousted the Republicans from their majority in both houses of Congress in that year's elections. Having only just dodged the schemes of his political enemies, Clinton was beset in late 1999 with the first ominous signs of what would come with the dawn of the year 2000: the collapse of the early electronic network systems that often controlled the basic services of contemporary civilization. When in January 2000 the full impact of the failure was felt, Clinton declared a state of national emergency and regretfully postponed that year's elections until the problem was resolved. In the meantime, he established Recovery USA, an omnibus agency under the management of his first wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, which undertook interim relief efforts in areas of economics, public administration, education and communications. Strict rationing, made necessary by shortages of nearly every commodity, was implemented as a temporary measure. The recovery project proved more intractable than expected for a number of reasons, ranging from bad weather to Republican sabotage (indeed, a Tribunal of Inquiry chaired by Mrs. Clinton in 2004 found that a nationwide and even international conspiracy of sabotage had been pursued by supporters of the 1789 Constitution; for more on this and the efforts to bring these saboteurs to justice, see article: BLUMENTHAL, Sidney), and in 2006 Recovery USA was reconfigured as a permanent agency of the United States government, overseeing such functions as commerce, transportation, defense, agriculture, health care, housing, and education. In 2007 National Security Commissioner Sidney Blumenthal recommended that the 1789 Constitution be formally abolished and replaced with a new Constitution that would ensure that far-reaching conspiracies like that against the Clinton administration could never recur. On August 17, 2007, President Clinton signed "Executive Order Alpha-Omega," abolishing the old constitution and forming "Constitution for the 21st Century," a task force whose purpose was to craft the replacement constitution. This mission was completed on July 4, 2013 with Clinton's proclamation of the new, present Constitution. (For continuation of this narrative, see article: WILLIAM I, Emperor of America) Related Articles: CLINTON, Hillary Rodham (1947-2013); TIFFANY, Empress of America (1995-2078); WILLIAM II, Emperor of America (2013-2101). (c) 2148, New Revised History of the American Empire; published in Clinton, D.C. ================================================================ **Visit the AdvAM/AdvAK archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/advance.htm The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:52:11 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Secret Clinton Video] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0C8E5111B18F62B5485E959C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again? I hope, I hope Read on Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - --------------0C8E5111B18F62B5485E959C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.phonet.com (phoenix.phonet.com [209.186.36.2]) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28093 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from max1-15.phonet.com (max1-15.phonet.com [209.186.36.39]) by phoenix.phonet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.acm0) with ESMTP id ba171159 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:42:16 -0500 From: "B. Simon" To: bsimon@phonet.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:35:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Secret Clinton Video Reply-to: bsimon@phonet.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: <20421618009814@phonet.com> DRUDGE REPORT By Matt Drudge SAT SEP 12 1998 16:46:56 ET x x x x x    VIDEO SHOWS CLINTON WITH MYSTERY WOMAN IN WHITE HOUSE   **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT**  The DRUDGE REPORT has uncovered a shocking White House video that shows President Clinton sneaking into a private space just off the Oval Office -- the same space Monica Lewinsky serviced Clinton -- with a young mystery woman!   The tape runs slightly more than 10 minutes and was obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT in Washington late Friday on condition that its origin and owner not be disclosed.   The tape became the obsession of elite Washington on the eve of prosecutor Ken Starr's referral to Congress.   Its audio and video quality is excellent. The video will air Saturday and Sunday night exclusively on FOX NEWS CHANNEL'S DRUDGE [9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT].   The identity of the young woman captured on video in the Oval Office will not be revealed in this report.   It is not clear if the young woman was a regular White House intern, a volunteer, or a daughter of a White House staffer.   At one point on the tape, the young woman is seen tenderly toweling off the forehead of the president, in the Oval Office, after she and others accompanied Clinton on a jog.   After a photo-op with the group of joggers in the Oval Office, the president and the mystery woman are shown leaving via the private hallway near the Oval Office study.   In the shocking new White House video -- Clinton is seen propping the door open between the private hallway and the Oval Office before he invites the young woman to join him.   Monica Lewinsky testified to a grand jury that fear of discovery in the White House kept Clinton on edge.   Starr's report reads: "The president ordinarily kept the door between the private hallway and the Oval Office several inches ajar during their encounters, both so that he could hear if anyone approached and so that anyone who did approach would be less likely to suspect impropriety."   The final frames of the video show President Clinton asking an adviser what time his next meeting was scheduled for -- he's told 9:00 AM -- he then enters the private hallway with the young woman.   The private hall off the Oval office has been the subject of intense scrutiny for investigators. Grand Jury witness Kathleen Willey has testified how Clinton groped her in the hallway.   Starr's report on Monica Lewinsky reads: "One the first occasion, the president took Ms. Lewinsky back into the Oval Office study, and they kissed. One the second, she performed oral sex on the president in the hallway outside the Oval Office study."   There was no way to know what occurred between the mystery woman and the president after the video ends.   The White House refuses to comment on any DRUDGE REPORT.   - --------------0C8E5111B18F62B5485E959C-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Clinton discussion Well, roc is strangely quiet. Here we are either on the verge of actually using some of the most little used gears and levers of the Constitution, or we are on the verge of apathy, fear and media bias allowing an uncommonly good liar to continue to serve as head of state. I've been obsessively watching the talking heads every other night for the past few nights. What is it going to be? The "man on the street" doesn't appear to know much about the rule of law or what is at stake. Perjury gets transmuted into lying, which gets transmuted into lying about sex, which is something that "everyone does". Whitewater, Filegate, Jim McDougal dying in solitary without his heart medication, "the miracle of the billing records" - has it all come down to this? Do people really believe the pap that the mainstream press is dishing out? The journalists and the lawyers don't. Rumors of additional indictments, including (can we hope?), the First Lady fly about. Salon magazine is threatening a sexual pecadillo Apocalypse. Bring it on. Maybe Orrin Hatch is on the list and that's why he is so eager to make a deal. Maybe they will publish sexual indiscretions found in the 900+ FBI files, bringing this full circle. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:14:50 -0500 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Re: Clinton discussion John Curtis wrote: > > Well, roc is strangely quiet. > Sure is. Maybe everyone's still wading through the OIC's report. One thing I've noticed is that support on the left for the Clintons seems to be flagging badly. This past Sunday's lead editorial in _The_ (New Orleans)_Times_Picayune_ was entitled, "The President Should Resign." The T-P is the typical big-city rag, major Clinton & Democrat supporter, etc. Their informal poll of readers this past weekend showed about 70% in favor of resignation or impeachment. They're still running an on-line poll (URL is http://www.nolalive.com/), FWIW. Right now, about 55% think he should resign; 42% disagree. All is not lost! Also, some of my politicos have been speaking loudly against them: on tonight's WLOX-TV (Biloxi ABC affiliate, http://www.wlox.com/) local news page are the following items: "Mississippi's governor says President Clinton should resign...." "Fifth District Congressman Gene Taylor is also one of the people saying the president should be impeached....For several weeks now, Congressman Taylor has said the president should be impeached if he lied under sworn oath...." "We gave you the chance to voice your opinion yesterday on whether President Clinton should resign from office... The results show that 63 percent of you believe the president should resign, while 37 percent of the callers on the Coast say the president should stay in office...." We need to weigh the various options, though. What would happen if the president were to resign? Would the investigations stop in their tracks, or would they continue? Would he be open to further criminal and/or civil charges? What about timing--if Algore were to become president, he could be eligible for 2 full terms if he is sworn after some date (after the 1/2- way mark of the current term? Not sure, but something like that). OTOH, what are the most likely scenarios of an impeachment proceding? Would it reach a suitable conclusion, or would he weasle out of it? We all know how the media would handle it. Imagine if Clinton were a Republican--he'd have been run out of DC on a rail before February! Well, there are a few thoughts to ponder. I wish we could hear Lobo's words of wisdom; I bet he'd have a screenful! Adios for now, Bob in Mississippi - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:35:13 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Such Hypocrisy! Clinton Proclamation on Citizenship Day, Constitution Week He can start by repealing EO 13083! Tom At 11:06 PM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >Source: US Newswire >http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0916-139.txt > >Clinton Proclamation on Citizenship Day, Constitution Week >U.S. Newswire >16 Sep 15:45 > > Clinton Proclamation on Citizenship Day and Constitution Week > To: National Desk > Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100 > > WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released >today by the White House: > > CITIZENSHIP DAY AND CONSTITUTION WEEK, 1998 > - - - - - - - > BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA > A PROCLAMATION > > Two hundred eleven years ago, on September 17, 1787, our Nation's >Founders signed the Constitution that established our system of >government. This extraordinary document, the product of passionate >debate and grudging compromise, was crafted by a handful of >individuals in the late 18th century; yet it has safely charted >America's course through more than two centuries of enormous change >and growth and has served as the model for democratic governments >around the globe. > > The United States Constitution has endured in large part because >of its remarkable fairness and flexibility. It created an inspired >balance of powers and responsibilities among the executive, >legislative, and judicial branches of government and among the >Federal Government, the States, and individual citizens. It also >provided for a system of amendment that allows our democracy to >correct past errors and omissions and to respond to new challenges. >As we mark this anniversary of the signing of the Constitution, we >celebrate the effort, the dedication, and the wisdom of our Founders >and the blessings of liberty that resulted from their labors. > > We also celebrate those who have struggled to move America >closer to fulfilling the first and fundamental purpose expressed in >the Constitution: "...to form a more perfect Union." Among these >heroes were the thousands who fought and died during the Civil War to >keep our Nation united and to banish slavery from our land. The 13th >Amendment to the Constitution is the fruit of their sacrifice: >"Neither slavery nor involun-tary servi-tude...shall exist within >the United States." The courageous women and men who met at Seneca >Falls, New York, 150 years ago also set the highest standards of >citizenship. Recognizing that women, too, are entitled to share in >America's promise of equality, they began a crusade that resulted in >the ratification of the 19th Amendment, guaranteeing women the right >to vote. Likewise, we honor American citizens of our century, black >and white, who worked together, faced danger together, and sometimes >died together in the struggle to end racial injustice in our society >and move our Nation closer to the constitutional ideal of equality >under the law. The 24th Amendment, guaran-teeing all citizens the >right to vote, reflects their spirit and commitment to true >democracy. > > As we seek to form a more perfect union at home, we also bear the >responsibilities of citizenship in our world community. Throughout >our history, we have sought to secure the blessings of liberty not >only for ourselves, but for all people every-where. We remember the >Americans who fought two world wars against tyranny and oppression >and who triumphed in the Cold War through faith in the promise of >democracy. These men and women cared so intensely about our Nation >and their fellow human beings that they were willing to forego >their own comfort and sometimes even to sacrifice their own >lives for the ideal of freedom envisioned by our Founders. > > In commemoration of the signing of the Constitution and in >recognition of the importance of active, responsible citizen-ship in >preserving the Constitution's blessings for our Nation, the Congress, >by joint resolution of February 29, 1952 (36 U.S.C. 153), designated >September 17 as "Citizenship Day," and by joint resolution of August >2, 1956 (36 U.S.C. 159), requested that the President proclaim the >week beginning September 17 and ending September 23 of each year as >"Constitution Week." > > NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United >States of America, do hereby proclaim September 17, 1998, as >Citizenship Day and September 17 through September 23, 1998, as >Constitution Week. I call upon Federal, State, and local officials, >as well as leaders of civic, educational, and religious >organizations, to conduct meaningful ceremonies and programs in our >schools, houses of worship, and other community centers to foster a >greater understanding and appreciation of the Constitution and the >rights and duties of citizenship. > > IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixteenth day >of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and >ninety-eight, and of the Independence of the United States of America >the two hundred and twenty-third. > > WILLIAM J. 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