From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #184 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, September 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 184 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 09:30:37 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: more of same... (fwd) On Sep 16, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NEWS HILLARY'S NEXT IN STARR CROSS HAIRS By DICK MORRIS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- YOU can be sure Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't much like Kenneth Starr's report to Congress. But the two sentences that she must have minded the most had nothing to do with sex, her husband or Monica Lewinsky. For her, the most ominous sentences in Starr's report to Congress are: Evidence is being gathered on ... the Rose Law Firm's representation of Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan Association ... All phases of the investigation are now nearing completion. Now, Hillary is waiting for the other shoe to drop. This reference in the Starr report is threateningly specific. It does not cite Whitewater or the Madison S&L in general. Instead, it specifically homes in on the role Hillary'slaw firm - and Hillary - played in representing Madison. Earlier in the report, while tracing the history of his probes, Starr mentions the scrutiny of legal work done by the Rose Law Firm, including the First Lady on the Castle Grande real-estate deal. One big reason Hillary is so vocal in defending her husband and attacking Starr is that she is likely to be next on the griddle. The published facts are that Hillary handled the legal work on a sham sale of land to Webster Hubbell's father-in-law. If Madison had bought the land, the S&L would have exceeded the proportion of its assets it was allowed to invest in real estate, so it needed a straw man and a compliant lawyer. The question is whether Hillary was just a lawyer on the deal, or was conscious of the deception - and helped to perpetrate it. To help resolve the question, Starr subpoenaed the billing records for Hillary's work on the deal, but they had mysteriously disappeared from the Rose Law Firm. For a time, then-Assistant Attorney General Hubbell hid them in his basement. The White House was unable to produce them in response to Starr's subpoena. Later, they turned up in the White House residence with Hillary's fingerprints on the cover page and on the page concerning her billings for the sham sale. If Starr finds Hillary did something wrong, there would appear to be no legal obstacle to stop him from indicting her. For Hillary, Monica is a sideshow. Castle Grande is the main event. The looming presence of the other shoe is a strong unspoken factor in the First Lady's actions these days. It's likely why she was so insistent that her husband excoriate Starr during the president's disastrous mea culpa speech of Aug. 17. Perhaps it is also why he gratuitously inserted language defending their actions in Whitewater, even though it had nothing to do with his grand-jury testimony. It probably has a lot to do with her decision to stand by her husband in the Monica mess. She's going to need all the help she can get, and shoring up her husband's popularity ratings is, for her, an act of self-defense. Without the other shoe dropping, President Clinton looks as if he can survive the current scandal. His ratings didn't take the expected nose-dive over the weekend. He seems to be getting a handle on what contrition is all about. Starr has shot his bolt, and Clinton is still standing. Congress isn't going to stay in session in October with the November elections ahead, and there are limits to what a lame-duck Congress can and will feel free to do with a new one waiting in the wings. The more the process is strung out, the closer it is to the end of Clinton's term, and the less likely impeachment is. Finally, there is no way a Republican Congress can afford to impeach and remove from office a Democratic president unless polls show that an overwhelming majority of the country agrees. Right now, the polls are running 2-to-1 against impeachment or resignation. Censure seems the administration's most attractive fallback option. That's probably why the White House is peddling the line to its journalistic mouthpieces - like Al Hunt of The Wall Street Journal - that censure would be a severe punishment. But there is another shoe there: the Castle Grande-Rose Law Firm investigation. What happens if Hillary is indicted? Does she fight it out in court? Does she admit wrongdoing and plead to a more minor offense to avoid prison? My bet is that she will want to fight it out in court. She is not going to let her reputation be destroyed without a vigorous fight. The line between legally representing wrongdoers as a lawyer and illegally covering up the wrongdoing is a tough one to establish. With high approval ratings, a popular husband as president, and public sympathy over Lewinsky, she might just tough it out and win. But what if she doesn't win? What if she is convicted? If she is facing a conviction and he is facing impeachment, and everything is going to hell, don't rule out the possibility that he might pardon her and then resign, knowing the jig is up. Bottom line: Bill Clinton would give up his presidency to save Hillary from prison. Bet on it. He isn't the most faithful husband, but he is one of the most loyal. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORE NEWS Copyright (c) 1998, N.Y.P. Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of the New York Post is prohibited. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 09:34:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: as the other shoe begins to fall... (fwd) On Sep 16, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] International News Electronic Telegraph Wednesday 16 September 1998 Issue 1209 Starr team closes in on Hillary By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Washington ------------------------------------------------------------------------= Fate of Clinton tapes hangs in balance Democrats attack legal hair-splitting Congress censured earlier president Power of prayer invoked - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= HILLARY Clinton is in imminent danger of indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice as the independent counsel, Kenneth Starr, shifts = the focus of his four-year inquiry back to allegations of financial misconduc= t in Arkansas. Hillary Clinton: denials Persistent reports of charges gained credence when Dick Morris, Presiden= t Clinton's former confidant, said yesterday that the investigation was closing in fast. Mr Morris, who had to resign as an adviser to the President because of hi= s own sex scandal, said in an article in the New York Post that Mrs Clinton= 's actions in the Monica Lewinsky affair must be seen through the prism of h= er own troubles. He wrote: "If she is facing a conviction and he is facing impeachment and everything is going to hell, don't rule out the possibility that he might pardon her and then resign, knowing the jig is up. Bottom line: Bill Clin= ton would give up his presidency to save Hillary from prison. Bet on it. He isn't the most faithful husband, but he is one of the most loyal." Last week's impeachment referral on the Lewinsky scandal contained a "threateningly specific" statement suggesting that Mr Starr's inquiries i= nto possible fraud involving a bankrupt building society in Arkansas was comi= ng to a head. Mr Starr noted that "evidence is being gathered and evaluated on, among other things, events related to the Rose Law firm's representation of Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association; events related to the firi= ngs in the White House travel office; and events related to the use of FBI files". He added the warning: "All phases of the investigation are now nearing completion." In each of these cases Mrs Clinton is at the centre of the alleged wrongdoing, but it is the Madison Guaranty inquiry that is most ominous f= or her. Mr Starr's reference to the "Rose Law firm's representation" of the bank is aimed directly at Mrs Clinton, who was a lawyer with the firm bef= ore moving to Washington. The Telegraph has learned that Mr Starr is examining Mrs Clinton's role i= n three episodes of possible financial impropriety in the mid 1980s: a $2,000-a-month retainer paid by Madison Guaranty; her alleged involvement= in a sham land deal called Castle Grande; and the possibility that she hid money from bank regulators in a deal involving Flowerwood Farms. In all the cases the statute of limitations for criminal activity has lon= g passed. But Mrs Clinton could be vulnerable if she testified falsely to investigators, or subsequently before a grand jury. An indictment of the First Lady would make for highly combustible politic= s in Washington. She has emerged as a figure of sympathy during the Lewinsk= y affair and is more popular now than at any stage of her husband's presidency. Mrs Clinton told government financial regulators that she and her husband had not solicited the $2,000 retainer and later repeated the denial befor= e a grand jury. But all the other participants tell a different story. They say that it was Mr Clinton who requested the retainer, virtually begging for the money when he called on Jim McDougal, the owner of Madiso= n Guaranty and the Clintons' partner in the Whitewater Corporation. The incident was recalled vividly because Mr Clinton, then governor of Arkans= as, had been jogging and left a puddle of sweat on Mr McDougal's light blue orthopaedic leather chair. When regulators said that Madison Guaranty should be closed because of insolvency, the Arkansas state government allowed it to remain open. This led to a $60 million loss guaranteed by the taxpayers. One of the questions is whether Mr Clinton, as governor, intervened to ke= ep the bank afloat while he and his wife benefited from Mr McDougal's fraudulent schemes to divert money from Madison Guaranty. In the case of Castle Grande, Mrs Clinton has sworn that she was not involved in the leg= al work. Invoices from the Rose Law firm could not be found when Mr Starr subpoena= ed them. They surfaced in the White House two years later, apparently with M= rs Clinton's fingerprints on them. They show that she had 14 meetings or conversations about Castle Grande. Mr Starr is being helped by a key witness, Jim Guy Tucker, a former gover= nor of Arkansas. A source said: "He has made it quite clear that he's not goi= ng down to save the Clintons' skins." 15 September 1998: 'The Lyin' King' heads for a mauling in the campaign jungle 11 September 1998: Noose of criminal inquiry tightens around First Lady 4 September 1998: First Lady triumphs on day of sorrow and smiles 27 April 1998: Five-hour 'grilling' for Hillary Clinton 3 May 1997: First Lady acts to keep notes secret 1 May 1997: First Lady takes critics to task 11 April 1997: Mrs Clinton hits back 7 February 1997: Clintons face D-day over Whitewater 1 May 1996: Clintons take fight to Whitewater prosecutor 30 April 1996: Whitewater blow for Mrs Clinton - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - ---- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard articles on Clinton-related issues 27 August 1998: The Nixon spy who has Clinton taped 25 August 1998: Has the cookie crumbled for Bill Clinton? 22 August 1998: [etcetera] Has he got away with it? 30 July 1998: Clinton may yet survive 20 April 1998: Goodbye, good riddance 31 January 1998: Conspiracy theory proving practical 26 January 1998: Starr 'is more like a plump sheep than a rottweiler' 24 January 1998: The clerk who has Clinton by the throat 20 April 1997: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard on Clinton and Whitewater-related issues 15 January 1996: Whatever happened to Hillary? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - ---- Next report: Invasion fear as Iran's troops mass on Afghan border - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - ---- Front | UK | International | City | Sport | Crossword | Weather | Matt | Appointments | Classified | Connected | etcetera | A-Z | Search | Shoppin= g | Euronet =A9 Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1998. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Clinton discussion > >Well, there are a few thoughts to ponder. I wish we could hear Lobo's >words >of wisdom; I bet he'd have a screenful! > Amen to that. I believe that this is a very serious crux moment in our political history. Clinton lied, purjured himself, and counseled others to perjure themselves. What is at stake is the rule of law. Is the man subject to the same laws as all of us, or is he somehow a totally different class of citizen? The Constitution is pretty plain on this. The President is charged with upholding the laws of the Republic. He is held accountable through impeachment proceedings, as part of the balance of powers. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 08:24:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Radical Greens Using Churches For Globalism (fwd) Hmmmm, seems those Greenie Wienie's are turning up all over like cooties at a foc'sl shakedown..... On Sep 19, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Radical Greens Using Churches To Force Senate >Support Of The UN's Global Warming Treaty > > >URGENT! URGENT! URGENT! URGENT! > > > The National Council of Churches (NCC) is urging >churches nation-wide to enlist congregations in a >massive letter-writing campaign in support of the >UN's global warming treaty. > > > The Council's General Secretary, Rev. Joan Brown >Campbell says that the goal is to make global >warming "a litmus test for the faith community." >NCC has a long history of radical leftist activity. > > > The truth is, this effort by the NCC, along with >the U.S. Catholic Conference and the National >Association of Evangelicals, is part of a >nation-wide drive by radical greens to influence >American churches with green propaganda. > > > The assault is funded by the National Religious >Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), which is a >UN front group of anti-Christian, earth-worshipping >Pagans operating out of "The Gaia Institute" and the >"Temple of Understanding" located in New York City. > > > The NRPE is funded by massive grants from such >radical left foundations as PEW Charitable Trust, >the Turner Foundation and W. Alton Jones Foundation. > The real purpose of this green assault on the >churches is to break down the strongest bastion of >opposition to earth worship and the destruction of >morality in America. > > > > YOU MUST RESIST THIS ASSAULT ON YOUR CHURCH! > > > Action to Take: > > 1. Oppose any efforts made by your church to >participate in the NCC global warming letter-writing >campaign. > > 2. Be sure your pastor and congregation have the >facts. If you need more information, a packet about >the "Green Invasion of Christian Churches" is >available from the American Policy Center. You may >download this packet free of charge from the APC >website at www.americanpolicy.org. Unfortunately, >cost-demands require us to charge $10.00 for a >hard-copy of the packet (but feel free to make as >many copies as necessary). > > 3. COUNTER THE NCC EFFORTS BY CALLING YOUR STATE'S >TWO SENATORS TO VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO THE UN's >GLOBAL WARMING TREATY. America's economy and way of >life will be severely damaged if this monstrous >treaty is enforced. Call the U.S. Capitol >Switchboard at (202) 225-3121 and ask for your two >Senators by name. > > DO NOT LET ANTI-CHRISTIAN PAGANS STEAL YOUR >CHURCH FROM YOU! > > >================================================== >Powered by Webforums >Copyright 1998 Waveshift Inc. > >Arlene Brightbill >arleneb@bulldog.afsc.k12.ar.us >http://bulldog.afsc.k12.ar.us/~arleneb/ >ICQ #666114 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 19:04:18 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: King County Judge oversteps authority? (fwd) If you're up here in the People's Republic of Washatonia, feel free to drop in and raise hell, (politely of course).....:-) On Sep 19, Dave Workman wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Bill: Starting Monday, Sept,. 21, under order of Presiding Judge Bobbie Bridge, King County Superior Court, there will be NEW procedures regarding security screening at King County courts (downtown, RJC in Kent, Shoreline, etc) that continue to chip away at rights of citizens. The Superior Court already imposed rules that place magnetometers at the courthouse doors...in violation of state law passed in 1994..yet these restrictions have so far not been challenged in court to my knowledge. Reportedly, many courthouse employees are upset about the new rules, which allow confiscation of small pocket knives, Swiss Army knives, pepper spray; anything that might constitute a weapon under any applicable law." One insider has indicated that at least a couple of county council members are upset about this. Here are some suggestions: * Pickets outside the County Courthouse where there almost certainly will be media presence to check out the new, tighter procedures. * Inundate the Metro/County council, and Council Chair Louise Miller, with protest telephone calls starting at 8:30 a.m. Monday morning. Ditto, inundate the office of Presiding Judge Bobbie Bridge with protest calls, first thing Monday morning. In particular, call the office of Judge Faith Ireland, and notify her office that you will be voting for her opponent, attorney Jim Foley, for a position on the State Supreme Court, as a further protest. (Ireland is a liberal, and we DON'T need her on the Supreme Court, anyway! This just gives gun owners more incentive... and this vote can come from gun owners across the state in support of their brother and sister gun owners in King County. This ought to get their attention!) Further protest can be lodged with King County Sheriff's Sgt. Sally Mendel via e-mail at: Sally.Mendel@metrokc.gov Don't make threats, don't be ogres. Just be firm. Dave [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: rkba-list: King County Judge oversteps authority? (fwd) Some on Roc (certainly Bill : ) will remember this is a -long - time problem, some of the employees there seem to me almost proud of their irrational fears. Personally, I know of a shop near the court (westlake mall) that sells outrageous big jester hats, I'm thinking I'll drop by a few times sporting my new hat and a recently declared dangerous letter opener next week. "Hello, hello, I have a letter opener to declare! Need a lockbox here!" Boyd (pres. Council for Legislative Action, Washington) >If you're up here in the People's Republic of Washatonia, feel free to drop >in and raise hell, (politely of course).....:-) > >On Sep 19, Dave Workman wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >Bill: > > Starting Monday, Sept,. 21, under order of Presiding Judge Bobbie >Bridge, King County Superior Court, there will be NEW procedures regarding >security screening at King County courts (downtown, RJC in Kent, Shoreline, >etc) that continue to chip away at rights of citizens. > > The Superior Court already imposed rules that place magnetometers >at the courthouse doors...in violation of state law passed in 1994..yet >these restrictions have so far not been challenged in court to my >knowledge. > > Reportedly, many courthouse employees are upset about the new >rules, which allow confiscation of small pocket knives, Swiss Army knives, >pepper spray; anything that might constitute a weapon under any applicable >law." > > One insider has indicated that at least a couple of county council >members are upset about this. > > Here are some suggestions: > > * Pickets outside the County Courthouse where there almost >certainly will be media presence to check out the new, tighter procedures. > > * Inundate the Metro/County council, and Council Chair Louise >Miller, with protest telephone calls starting at 8:30 a.m. Monday morning. > > Ditto, inundate the office of Presiding Judge Bobbie Bridge with >protest calls, first thing Monday morning. > > In particular, call the office of Judge Faith Ireland, and notify >her office that you will be voting for her opponent, attorney Jim Foley, >for a position on the State Supreme Court, as a further protest. (Ireland >is a liberal, and we DON'T need her on the Supreme Court, anyway! This just >gives gun owners more incentive... and this vote can come from gun owners >across the state in support of their brother and sister gun owners in King >County. This ought to get their attention!) > > Further protest can be lodged with King County Sheriff's Sgt. Sally >Mendel via e-mail at: > > Sally.Mendel@metrokc.gov > > Don't make threats, don't be ogres. Just be firm. > > >Dave > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: rkba-list: King County Judge oversteps authority? (fwd) Bill, did you get this from PA list or the WAC list? I haven't been getting anything from them lately. (and dont remember seeing this beffore) -Boyd - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 05:28:20 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: rkba-list: King County Judge oversteps authority? (fwd) On Sep 20, Boyd wrote: >Bill, did you get this from PA list or the WAC list? I haven't been getting >anything from them lately. (and dont remember seeing this beffore) -Boyd I got it from dave workman, . He's the Journalist who did the research, and blew the whistle on the 29 Palms BS. I don't know about PA, haven't heard from them in a while, but I used to post to the Wac-list when I thought there was something of interest to Gun Show goers/ operators but it was made plain that it was _their_ list and people could put things on their web page instead. They didn't/don't have any mechanism for posters to get stuff on it, and as my browser is flakey I don't do much webbing. Maybe after I get my Linux box going. They said stuff could be posted to wac@halcyon.com, but for all the responce I get, it might be a /dev/null-black hole. Near as I can tell, the only Local list still operating is rkba-list@celestial.com, and that's been pretty quiet lately, too. I was talking to Bill Campbell the other day, and he was wondering if anyone still cared, and maybe it was time to expand the list out to other political stuff etc., instead of just Wash. State Gun stuff. Suits me, though I think we still need a Local list, there being scads of National ones. There are some Local lists/news groups over at eskimo.com, but I use them mostly for news, (usenet/nntp-xfer), at the moment. One thing I've noted, is that there seems to be a general drop off in email list/newsgroup posting lately. Maybe web publishing is up, but I can't tell at the moment. Could be it's the Fuzzy Bubba pimple coming to a boil that's got people busy or something. What do you think? - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:35:51 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: A Humor Bug If you have access to Micro Soft Word make type "I want Clinton to resign." (Without the " ") Highlight the words and click on the Thesaurus. See what it says. Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:44:27 -0400 From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net" Subject: Re: A Humor Bug >If you have access to Micro Soft Word make type "I want Clinton to >resign." (Without the " ") Highlight the words and click on the >Thesaurus. See what it says. > >Larry Ball >lball@inetnebr.com > > >- Larry What should it say? Mine says replace with I.D. ? Chad - --------------------------------------------------------------- Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. *************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** - --------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:02:13 -0500 From: Jacques Tucker Subject: Re: A Humor Bug At 23:44 09/22/1998 -0400, you wrote: >>If you have access to Micro Soft Word make type "I want Clinton to >>resign." (Without the " ") Highlight the words and click on the >>Thesaurus. See what it says. >> >>Larry Ball >>lball@inetnebr.com >> >> >>- > > >Larry > >What should it say? Mine says replace with I.D. ? > >Chad > . . . and the word list? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Jimmy Carter weighs in Drudge report (at drudgereport.com) shows that Jimmy Carter has weighed in with a prediction that the Judiciary Committee will recommend an impeachment inquiry and the House will vote to impeach. Clinton will survive the impeachment vote in the Senate, as its unlikely that the 2/3's majority can be mustered. Carter disavowed any insider knowledge on this, this is purely his political prediction. Go check it out. This is a pretty big drama being played out, for good or ill. I'm surprised that ROC is so quiet. Gore is being investigated for campaign finance illegalities in a 90-day window, with a possible independent counsel looming. Rumor has it that Filegate is still very much open. Starr has grand juries active in D.C. and in Arkansas. He's won 13 (or is it 15?) convictions. Why is ROC so silent? Do we only like obscure, grand-conspiracy like issues? This is the second potential impeachment in my lifetime, and all the drama is there. My personal guess is that its still a 50/50 proposition as to whether impeachment is voted by the House, but it could happen. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter weighs in On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, John Curtis wrote: > Why is ROC so silent? Perhaps it is because when people have nothing to say, they don't say it. :-) > Do we only like obscure, grand-conspiracy > like issues? What issues? The guy was a liar, a coward, a traitor, and whoremonger in before 1992, and was still that way in 1996, and is highly likely to be that way forevermore. Nothing new here. The American people have got what they want, and I hope they get it good and hard. If you want to talk issues about what is going to return us to the Constitutional Republic, bring up how to improve the prospects for the next generation, the under-20's, and their children. Spell that "E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N". That's where it will happen, if it is ever going to happen at all. This "impeachment" circus is 30-second sound bite, immediate gratification entertainment crap. It provides an opportunity to shake Slick Willie's Fellow Travelers out of the closet is all, so those that care can identify them. > This is the second potential impeachment in > my lifetime, and all the drama is there. During the first impeachment "drama", I was in the South China Sea, and I had a lot more important things to think about then. I find that even on "preferred shore duty", I still have more important things to think about. As for "drama", the same stuff has been on the boob tube every weekday afternoon for the last 40 years, under such titles as "As the Stomach Turns", etc. I don't watch those, either, and I rarely associate long with those that do. > > My personal guess is that its still a 50/50 proposition as to > whether impeachment is voted by the House, but it could happen. I think the best that can be said about the whole process is that at least as long as they are in Sodom-on-the-Potomac screwing each other, it occupies them too much to be screwing us, eh? So hopefully they will drag all this out for quite a while. > > ciao, > > jcurtis Nothing personal John. To me, it's a big yawn, nothing of lasting effect will happen. Regards, Harry - --------------------------------------------------------------------- harryb@eskimo.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The world is for thousands a freak show; the images flicker past and vanish; the impressions remain flat and unconnected in the soul. Thus they are easily led by the opinions of others, are content to let their impressions be shuffled and rearranged and evaluated differently. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter weighs in I'm pulling for the next Starr report(s) to be about something illegal and less tantalizing. Here in Seattle I see how easily Liberals dismiss "all that sex stuff" as "just political backbiting" and then shift to high speed weasel mode when I talk about lying (one more person tells me they want a president who can lie in international negotiations and I'm going to scream). Where is filegate?? Boyd > Drudge report (at drudgereport.com) shows that Jimmy Carter > has weighed in with a prediction that the Judiciary Committee > will recommend an impeachment inquiry and the House will > vote to impeach. > > Clinton will survive the impeachment vote in the Senate, as > its unlikely that the 2/3's majority can be mustered. > > Carter disavowed any insider knowledge on this, this is purely > his political prediction. > > Go check it out. > > This is a pretty big drama being played out, for good or ill. > I'm surprised that ROC is so quiet. Gore is being investigated > for campaign finance illegalities in a 90-day window, with a possible > independent counsel looming. Rumor has it that Filegate is > still very much open. Starr has grand juries active in D.C. and > in Arkansas. He's won 13 (or is it 15?) convictions. > > Why is ROC so silent? Do we only like obscure, grand-conspiracy > like issues? This is the second potential impeachment in > my lifetime, and all the drama is there. > > My personal guess is that its still a 50/50 proposition as to > whether impeachment is voted by the House, but it could happen. > > ciao, > > jcurtis > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:26:11 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: Re: A Humor Bug Mine (version 6.0) says "I'll drink to that" Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net wrote: > >If you have access to Micro Soft Word make type "I want Clinton to > >resign." (Without the " ") Highlight the words and click on the > >Thesaurus. See what it says. > > > >Larry Ball > >lball@inetnebr.com > > > > > >- > > Larry > > What should it say? Mine says replace with I.D. ? > > Chad > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net > chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net > Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. > Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. > Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP > Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. > *************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter weighs in > >> >> My personal guess is that its still a 50/50 proposition as to >> whether impeachment is voted by the House, but it could happen. > >I think the best that can be said about the whole process is that at >least as long as they are in Sodom-on-the-Potomac screwing each other, >it occupies them too much to be screwing us, eh? So hopefully they >will drag all this out for quite a while. > I think that this is an interesting watermark on the route either towards or away from returning us to a Constitutional Republic. So, I guess that Harry and I differ. Will the political process stand up to the current challenge? Can we pull on those creaky levers and spin those rusty gears to get the Constitution to do what it was designed to do? If we can, I'd say that is an improvement over the last six years. If we can't, its a bad sign - 'cause the man obviously committed perjury and papering that over with any kind of political process is not a good sign. We're always going to be a pretty wide republic with divergent political opinions. Can we collectively muster the ability to purge ourselves of a leader who subverts the rule of law by his actions? Will the Constitution (conceived almost 300 years ago by a bunch of brilliant political generalists) be enticed to function? I think these are interesting and important questions, 'cause we are still, at some level, an idealistic nation. Can that idealism be brought to bear in this situation - I don't know. we'll find out. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter weighs in > >I think the best that can be said about the whole process is that at >least as long as they are in Sodom-on-the-Potomac screwing each other, >it occupies them too much to be screwing us, eh? So hopefully they >will drag all this out for quite a while. > So you basically believe that, under the current set of elected leaders (House, Senate, Executive) the Constitution *won't* function. Is that more or less right? ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter weighs in > >I'm pulling for the next Starr report(s) to be about something illegal and >less tantalizing. Here in Seattle I see how easily Liberals dismiss "all >that sex stuff" as "just political backbiting" and then shift to high speed >weasel mode when I talk about lying (one more person tells me they want a >president who can lie in international negotiations and I'm going to >scream). Where is filegate?? >Boyd > I'm hoping for something substantial on either Filegate or obstruction of the Whitewater investigation (The Miracle of the Billings Records, maybe?). There are a couple of hints (those grand juries still cranking). But that is all I hear, hints and rumors. The Gore campaign finance thing could spawn an IC. My opinion is: as Clinton weakens, it loosens up the political process for more effective investigation of the various Gates. I, personally, think that Lippogate comes close to treason and is a great target. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #184 *************************