From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #188 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 188 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:13:35 +500 From: scanlanc@trebsys.com Subject: Blair - 'Third Way' is global path to renewal and progress The following ran in today's _Houston Chronicle_: September 28, 1998, 06:18 p.m. 'Third Way' is global path to renewal and progress By PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR THE Third Way is the route to renewal and success for modern social democracy. It is not simply a compromise between left and right. It seeks to take the essential values of the center and center-left and apply them to a world of fundamental social and economic change, and to do so free from outdated ideology. The challenge we face is formidable -- global markets, continued poverty and social exclusion, rising crime, family breakdown, the changing role of women, a revolution in technology and the world of work, popular hostility to politics and demands for deeper democratic reform, and a host of environmental and security issues requiring international action. People seek leadership. They want to know how to adapt and prosper, how to build stability and security in this changing world. They embrace the center-left's traditional values of solidarity, social justice, responsibility and opportunity. But they know we must move decisively beyond outdated ways of thinking -- beyond an old left preoccupied by state control, high taxation and producers' interests and a new laissez-faire right championing narrow individualism and a belief that free markets are the answer to every problem. The 20th-century left has been dominated by two camps: a fundamentalist left, which saw state control as an end in itself, and a more-moderate left, which accepted this essential direction but favored compromise. The Third Way is a serious reappraisal. It draws vitality from uniting the two great streams of left-of-center thought -- democratic socialism and liberalism -- whose divorce in this century did so much to weaken progressive politics across the West. The old left and new right have taken -- and continue to take -- different forms across Europe. There is no single blueprint for the Third Way. But Europe's progressive parties share common values, and all of us are adapting to meet new challenges. For many years in opposition, the British Labor Party was seen -- however unfairly -- as the party of big government, nationalization, anti-enterprise, soft on crime, unconcerned with family life, gripped by pressure groups and favoring more tax and public spending across the board. We were also regarded as poor managers of public services, under the thumb of trade unions and producers' interests and too little concerned with choice and quality. The right was able to turn privatization and free markets into universal panaceas. A false opposition was set up between rights and responsibilities, between compassion and ambition, between the public and private sectors, between an enterprise economy and the attack on poverty and exclusion. New Labor has sought to move ahead and apply its values in a different way. In the economy, our approach is neither laissez-faire nor one of state interference. The government's role is to promote macroeconomic stability; develop tax and welfare policies that encourage independence, not dependence; to equip people for work by improving education and infrastructure; and to promote enterprise. We are proud to be supported by business leaders as well as trade unions. Education is a critical priority. Higher education standards are the key to international competitiveness and an inclusive society for the future. Significant new investment is driving radical school reform, backed by targets and strong intervention in the case of failing schools. In welfare and employment policy, the Third Way means reforming welfare to make it a pathway into work where possible. It promotes fair standards at work while making work pay by reducing the taxes and penalties that discourage work and the creation of jobs. The Third Way strives for a new balance between rights and duties -- not just in welfare but in a tough approach to youth crime and far-greater emphasis on the duties of parenthood. A new approach to family support is being forged to meet the needs of children and to help families -- particularly the most vulnerable -- balance work and home more effectively. The Third Way stands for democratic renewal and a restoration of faith in politics. New Labor has devolved power within the United Kingdom: Northern Ireland has an elected assembly; the first elections to a new Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly take place next year; and the election of a new mayor of London is one of many steps to renewing local government. Governments in the course of this century have been well equipped to regulate money, send out benefit checks, build houses, even fight wars and put men on the moon. Now they need to learn new skills: to work in partnership with the private and voluntary sectors; to share responsibility and answer to a much more demanding public; and to cooperate internationally in new ways. This is the Third Way. A new alliance between progress and justice. With courage, we can revere our history without living in it, and build dynamic social democratic societies for the 21st century. Blair is the British prime minister ============================================================ Now my .02: The third way appears to be no more than a repackaging of the, now pretty much discredited, socialism of the last 50 years - just with a prettier face on it. Blair writes that "now [Governments] need to learn new skills: to work in partnership with the private and voluntary sectors; to share responsibility and answer to a much more demanding public; and to cooperate internationally in new ways." Followed by the fact that they will now "build dynamic social democratic societies for the 21st century." How's it go? Something like "I remember the Social Democrats..." The State Uber Alles. A plan for the next 1000 years. I never cease to be amazed at the brits. And there are a lot of socialists (closet and otherwise) trumpeting these "new" ideas here for a Government near you. Chuck ============================================== Trebuchet Systems Inc. http://www.trebsys.com ============================================== - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:33:23 -0700 From: Jack Perrine Subject: Re: Blair - 'Third Way' is global path to renewal and progress >============================================================ > >Now my .02: The third way appears to be no more than a repackaging >of the, now pretty much discredited, socialism of the last 50 >years - just with a prettier face on it. Blair writes that "now >[Governments] need to learn new skills: to work in partnership >with the private and voluntary sectors; to share responsibility >and answer to a much more demanding public; and to cooperate >internationally in new ways." Followed by the fact that they >will now "build dynamic social democratic societies for the 21st >century." This was in last night's ET (English Telegraph). It seems to imply that the third / new way is going to be much worse / infinitely more expensive than the mess we have now Jack CHANCELLOR Gordon Brown is to propose a worldwide welfare state at the meeting of the International Monetary Fund next week. He told the Labour party conference: "Because, for us, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, the Labour Government will propose at the IMF meeting in Washington a new and pioneering global code of conduct for social policies to ensure that our obligations to the unemployed and the vulnerable are met in every part of the world." The Chancellor sees this initiative as one of the ways in which Britain, which holds the presidency of the G8 group of industrial countries, can export Labour's "policies for stability, growth and fairness" around the world. The Government has attempted to co-ordinate a global response to the Asian and Russian financial crises. However, ministers have not worked out the details on how a new international economic order would work. Mr Brown, who leaves for Washington today, said: "Let us work together, globally, on the priority reforms: to tackle destabilising international capital flows, proper financial supervision and control worldwide; to ensure openness and responsibility in monetary, fiscal and corporate governance and behaviour, enforceable codes of conduct that every country, rich and poor, should sign and uphold." > >How's it go? Something like "I remember the Social Democrats..." > >The State Uber Alles. A plan for the next 1000 years. > >I never cease to be amazed at the brits. And there are a lot >of socialists (closet and otherwise) trumpeting these "new" ideas >here for a Government near you. > >Chuck >============================================== > Trebuchet Systems Inc. > http://www.trebsys.com >============================================== > >- > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Judicial Watch report on Impeachment of Clinton _____________________________________________________________________________ FOR RELEASE: September 28, 1998 CONTACT: Dan Michaelis (202) 646-5197 JUDICIAL WATCH SENDS INTERIM REPORT TO CONGRESS DETAILS IMPEACHABLE FILEGATE/CHINAGATE OFFENSES UNCOVERED IN JUDICIAL WATCH CASES On Monday, September 28, 1998, Judicial Watch will present its interim report to Congress, detailing substantial and credible evidence of impeachable offenses uncovered in its twenty lawsuits concerning the Clinton-Gore Administration. Specifically, the report deals with Clinton-Gore scandals commonly referred to as Filegate and Chinagate, and other matters, including the misuse of the Internal Revenue Service against perceived adversaries of the Administration. During the last week, officials of the Clinton-Gore Administration and their surrogates have boasted about how the Lewinsky scandal will not lead to the President's impeachment. As a result, they have tried to cut a deal with Congress. In fact, the Lewinsky scandal, however serious, is minor compared with the evidence of likely high crimes and misdemeanors which Judicial Watch has found in Filegate, Chinagate and related Clinton-Gore scandals. "After reading Judicial Watch's 145-page report, which is supported with over 2,000 pages of hard evidence, no longer will Clinton-Gore operatives be able to claim that the scandals only involve sex," stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. JUDICIAL WATCH WILL HOLD A NEWS CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS ITS REPORT AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE (COPIES AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST). DATE: SEPTEMBER 28, 1998 TIME: 2:00 P.M. PLACE: STEPS OF RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BLDG. (INDEPENDENCE AVENUE ENTRANCE) NOTE: THE JUDICIAL WATCH INTERIM REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET AT 2:00 PM at WWW.JUDICIALWATCH.ORG. # # # - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:22:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Jackson Stephens and BCCI (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:21:04 -0400 From: "Alexandra H. Mulkern" Subject: WSJ: OT: BCCI: The Mystery Lingers September 29, 1998 Review & Outlook Review & Outlook BCCI: The Mystery Lingers Forget the old brain teaser about a tree falling in a forest not making any noise unless there's someone around to hear it. We know that the world's largest bank fraud can go almost unnoticed, except to Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. We refer, in case you've forgotten, to the Bank of Credit & Commerce International, which was back in the news in two jurisdictions last week. In Washington, Clark Clifford and Robert Altman agreed to give up $18.5 million in claims on stock and legal fees connected with First American Bankshares, the BCCI front they once headed in the nation's capital. In Luxembourg, BCCI auditors Price Waterhouse and Ernst & Young agreed to a payment of $125 million to the defunct bank's customers; the creditors will now recover more than half their money--more than quadruple the best estimates at the time BCCI went under. These people, many of them Pakistani nationals in Britain, will be mighty glad that Mr. Morgenthau pursued the case when the Bank of England, the Justice Department and various others ducked. Yet for all the smoke Mr. Morgenthau uncovered we have only glimmers of the fire that led to it all. There are still unresolved questions about the political patronage that has helped shield BCCI principals from a full reckoning, and in particular about how a crooked Pakistani-Arab bank got control of the largest bank in Washington, D.C. In this respect, the Altman-Clifford settlement is particularly striking. At issue has always been whether the two knew that BCCI was the real owner of First American, of which they were, respectively, president and chairman. Mr. Altman beat criminal charges of fraud and lying to banking regulators; Mr. Clifford was not charged because of his age and health. When the Federal Reserve Board settled civil fraud charges back in February, the two claimed that the central charges against them were "wholly untrue" and that the "remaining issues would have been resolved in their favor" had they gone to court. Maybe. But their checkbook said otherwise. In the Fed settlement, the two forked over $5 million in stock to compensate BCCI creditors. And last week they agreed to drop all claims to $18.5 million in stock and legal fees, in return for an end to remaining legal action against them. Yet the essential mystery remains. Doubtless that's just the way many would like to leave it, because the names that pop up read like some kind of Who's Who. There is, to begin with, a large Arkansas connection, since Little Rock investment giant Stephens Inc. assembled the bloc of First American stock for the BCCI front men. Assisting in these transactions was the now-famous Rose Law Firm, then headed by Joseph Giroir, more lately a representative of the Riady family of Indonesia and participant in the notorious September 13, 1995, Oval Office meeting at which John Huang was dispatched to his fund-raising tasks. Rose Attorney Hillary Rodham represented a Stephens subsidiary, the Systematics bank-data processing firm, in a related lawsuit. James Riady made his first appearance in Little Rock about the time these transactions took place, with his family ending up with a piece of the Stephens-dominated Worthen Bank. Another player was Bert Lance, Jimmy Carter's disgraced head of Office of Management and Budget, who apparently hoped to head First American himself. All of these people deny that they knew anything crooked was taking place, just a group of smart, well-connected Friends of Bill stunningly ignorant about the people they were doing business with. Yet since the mystery has never been cleared up, you can't blame those of us who followed it from remembering names as they turn up in today's news. Nicholas Katzenbach, for instance; the former Attorney General surfaced last week with two of Mr. Clinton's serial White House counsels, defending the President against impeachment in a New York Times op-ed. We remember that Mr. Katzenbach replaced Mr. Clifford when the latter resigned from First American in 1991. Ditto for John E. "Jack" Ryan, who ended up as head of the Resolution Trust Company and denied Rep. Jim Leach's request for documents relating to Madison Guaranty Trust, the Whitewater S&L. We remember that it was under Mr. Ryan's watch as head of bank supervision at the Fed that BCCI won approval to buy First American. For those who worry that a BCCI investigation might be too partisan, we also remember that it was Senator Orrin Hatch who delivered a floor speech praising BCCI for agreeing to a settlement when Tampa prosecutors first found evidence of the bank's involvement in drug running. As head of the Judiciary Committee, of course, Mr. Hatch, would play a key role if an impeachment ever reached the Senate. Finally, what do we make of the report that the National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia has close links with the owner of the suspect pharmaceutical plant bombed in the controversial raid on Sudan. We remember that the bank was run by Khalid bin Mahfouz, one of the BCCI front men in their purchase of First American. Seven years after BCCI was shut down, the culpability (if any) of all these people remains unclear and unlikely ever to be resolved. What we do know, as Senator Kerry's 1992 report to the Foreign Relations Committee states, is that BCCI was not a good bank that went bad; from the beginning its criminality "was inherent in the bank's philosophy." And that a key component of BCCI's U.S. strategy was the "aggressive use of a series of prominent Americans" to lend "their names and their reputations to BCCI at critical moments." But of course none of these people understood the bank's nature; to believe that defense we must believe that the savviest, most well-connected players in Washington never understood what was going on before their eyes. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:23:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Vince Foster and Arkansas Aids tainted blood (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:53:42 -0500 From: "Brenda C. Jinkins" Subject: CAS: NYP: The Tainted Blood Mystery Not for commercial use. For academic use in the virtual classroom. The Tainted Blood Mystery New York Post Sept. 25, 1998 Maggie Gallagher Can I tell you a little story? I warn you, I don't know how it ends yet. Maybe I never will. Once upon a time - in fact a day or two after Vince Foster died - a man called the White House Counsel's Office. "This was not a line that kooks typically rang us up on," my source told me. Lunatics call the main office number. This guy called one of Vince's assistants directly. The man said he had some information that might be important. Something had upset Vince Foster greatly just days before he died. Some thing about "tainted blood" that both Vince Foster and President Clinton knew about, this man said. "I'm only telling you this now because Vince Foster was very distressed about this only days before his death," the mysterious caller (whose name I am withholding) said. "I'm not saying this caused his suicide. I'm only saying it might have contributed to his distress and I thought someone should know." The White House Counsel's office didn't pay much attention. "Probably a kook', they agreed around the office. Probably. Except that when his computer name was typed into the computer log of phone calls for Vince, something strange happened. The computer flashed "password required" or some such phrase indicating a special code was needed to open that file. "Aw, probably just a computer glitch, "Bernie Nussbam, then chief White House Counsel, said at the time. And so the matter, as far as I know, was dropped. A strange little memory fragment, meaningless in itself, no? Until last week, when a story published in The Ottawa Citizen suddenly jogged it front and center. "HIV BLOOD CAME FROM ARKANSAS JAIL," the head line screamed. Then, The Ottawa Citizen reports, "A U.S. firm with links to President Clinton collected HIV-tainted blood from Arkansas prison inmates in the 1980's and shipped it to Canada, newly uncovered documents reveal... It is like several hundred, perhaps thousands, were infected by the tainted products." Seems the now defunct Health Management Associates, heade by an FOB named Leonard Dunn (who served as head of the Finance Committee in Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial election campaign, for instance) how a contract to offer medical care to and sell blood from Arkansas prisoners. By 1985 the AIDS crisis made it impossible to sell prisoners' blood in the United States or most other places. HMA found one willing blood broker in Montreal who retailed it to another Canadian company who didn't know it came from prisoners. Bingo! A few hundred Canadians infected with an incurable deadly disease. The Citizen says it has copies of internal Arkansas documents from police, who at this time were investigating rumors: Clinton appointees to the prison board had demanded bribes in exchange for renewing HMA's contract with the state of Arkansas in 1985. The matter was dropped after investigators decided to accept the prison board's explanation: Bill Clinton had been very concerned about reports of inadequate medical care; a mysterious $25,000 payment was actually a legitimate fee to obtain the services of an "ombudsman" for the prisoners, though no letter of agreement or other documentation could be found. According to the state trooper's note, HMA chief Leonard Dunn went out of his way to boast to them that he was a "friend of Gov. Clinton." Coincidence? Or a piece of the puzzle we didn't even know was there? I don't know. One thing I do know, Mr. Name Withheld, the conscientious guy who tried to inform the authorities about Vince Foster's distress over "tainted blood", your message didn't get through. if you contact me (Mgallagher@compuserv.com), I'll try to bring it to their attention. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. 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In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:30:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Judge Starr part of Inslaw (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Re: CAS: WP: Heavy Underwriter of Anti-Clinton Probes Appears Before Grand Jury Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:21:44 -0400 From: James Norman At 12:57 AM 9/29/98 -0500, you wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1998-09/29/072r-092998-idx.html > > > >Heavy Underwriter of Anti-Clinton Probes Appears Before Grand Jury > >By John Mintz >Washington Post Staff Writer >Tuesday, September 29, 1998; Page A08 > >Conservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife earlier this month >appeared before a federal grand jury in Fort Smith, Ark., investigating >whether a group of anti-Clinton researchers financed by Scaife tried to >influence the testimony of one of President Clinton's chief Whitewater >accusers with cash payments, informed sources said. > (snip) >The Arkansas grand jury was empaneled by Michael J. Shaheen, a former >Justice Department government ethics investigator who was retained by >Starr in June to examine the complex allegations. He hired several >assistant prosecutors and federal agents, and will report to a panel of >retired judges. > It should be noted that Kenneth Starr, while US solicitor General mysteriously recused himself from an investigation into whether the US violated proprietary software copyrights in the Inslaw case. There has never been a public record created as to why he did so. Michael Shaheen also recused himself from investigating the Inslaw matter while heading DoJ's so-called Office of Public Integrity. In both cases, these men turned over the decision to their subordinates, who predictably found the US government did no wrong in the Inslaw case. Bless'd be the ties that bind. Jim Norman ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:05:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Fwd: Klinton's Klunkers (Smoking Gun? Probably) (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:48:10 -0500 (CDT) From: John Johnson Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net To: undisclosed-recipients: ;, ";;"@Mailing-List.net Subject: Fwd: Klinton's Klunkers (Smoking Gun? Probably) Posted to texas-gun-owners by txjohn47@ix.netcom.com (John Johnson) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---- Begin Forwarded Message Smoking Gun? Probably =09In the early summer of 1995, I -- along with Charles Hatfield, owner/publisher of the Ellis County Press (ECP), and Clay Douglas, owner/publisher of the Free American Magazine -- smelled a strong odor emanating from Oklahoma City, with respect to the "federal investigation" being conducted about the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building.=20 =09After a short discussion I contacted Charles Key, John D. Cash, along with the Wilburn family, met them in Oklahoma City, and the ECP/Free American became involved in the investigation.=20 =09The discrepancies and malfeasances discovered in the federal investigation--found mostly by those persons in Oklahoma City--became so numerous a full scale fact finding effort was initiated by those previously named.=20 =09One of the areas, which continuously reared its ugly head, was the possibility several governmental agencies had, or should have had "prior knowledge" of the dastardly event. =20 =09Numerous individuals and agencies have stayed vigilant to prove "prior knowledge," and also to affirm certain governmental agencies have participated in a full-scale cover up of the "prior knowledge factor".=20 =09In November 1997, a survivor of the bombing, V. Z. Lawton (an employee of HUD=96who was on the eighth floor at 9:02 AM, April 19, 1995 when the bombs--notice the plurality [yes, Virginia, there were more than one]-- went off) was on a tour in Europe when he met a young lady=96later referred to as Witness A-- who probably has provided this citizenry with the "smoking gun of prior knowledge. " =09After a short discussion between Lawton and Witness A=96an employee of the U. S. Army's Walter Reed Army Institute of Research--Lawton revealed his whereabouts on that fateful day. =20 =09He told Witness A about the many theories about the investigation cover-up. He further pointed out his participation in the Oklahoma Bombing Commission Investigation Committee's (OKBIC) belief that there has been, is, and will continue to be a massive cover-up pursued by these same governmental agencies. That is until the American public demands congress conducts a thorough investigation of the incident. =09Witness A informed Lawton her Unit had been called two separate times, a day or two prior (later confirmed to be Monday before the Wednesday blast) to the bomb event, by an unknown caller. =20 =09Witness A, when interviewed, couldn't be sure who the person was, but the essence of the calls was two-fold: =09=09(1). The caller requested information concerning the treatment of blast injuries, and (2). The caller made reference to the fact someone who was part of a task force, or was working in liaison with someone in the office of the Governor of Oklahoma was involved with, or connected to the request for the information.=20 =09(She also confirmed--to Lawton--the FBI also made a call to the Unit that day, asking for the same type of information.) =09Cate McCauley, Executive Director of OKBIC, when queried about the calls said, "We don't know where the calls came from, but the fact they were made is indicative of the fact =91someone knew' and =91someone had previous knowledge' about the bombing." =09Lawton immediately contacted the OKBIC and that group's investigator, Roger G. Charles, began a thorough investigation into the content and the origin of the telephone calls. =20 =09What follows is the results of Mr. Charles' initial contacts with those persons, in the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research=96 Respiratory Research office, who received and talked to the person with respect to requested information.=20 =09Charles identifies himself as an investigator to Witness A. He asks her to recall the phone call (calls) which she received immediately before the bombing in Oklahoma City, and which later appeared to have a possible connection to that event. She related that the caller mentioned being with the Governor's office of the state of Oklahoma. =09The caller asked to speak to the chief of the department regarding expected injuries on victims of blast over-pressure, and medical treatment of same. Witness A told the caller the chief was not present that day and offered a return call, but the caller would not leave a number, and said he would call again.=20 =09Two other people from the Research Center were present when witness A answered the call. =09The call was discussed by all present and thought to be weird, especially after the bombing in Oklahoma City.=20 =09Witness A related to Charles that the call occurred either the day before, or two days before the bomb exploded in Oklahoma City.=20 =09On February 6, 1998, Mr. Charles interviewed Witness A again by telephone. The witness volunteered that her supervisor at the time of the telephone calls spoke to the caller the second time they called the Research Center.=20 =09The supervisor told Witness A the caller mentioned being with the liaison at the Pentagon to the office of the Governor of Oklahoma.=20 =09The supervisor told the caller that since they were not medical doctors, they really could not answer the questions.=20 =09Again, the caller was asked if the call could be returned and this offer was again declined and no number was left. Witness A and her supervisor said their office never heard from the callers again.=20 =09On this same date, Charles interviewed Witness B about the phone calls. Witness B said he thought the calls came in a few days earlier than remembered by A. He also remembered their being one call, with Witness A talking on the first part of the call and himself (B) taking the second part.=20 =09Witness B said he normally makes notes about calls when his supervisor is out, and offered to try to locate these notes if any. Witness B stated the caller also identified themselves as being from the Pentagon seeking expert information about treatment of blast=20 injuries.=20 =09On February 27, 1998, Charles interviewed Witness B again. He asked if the notes had been found. Witness B said no even though she had searched for them.=20 =09Then Witness B said he had sent information by email regarding the request for information on treatment of blast victims to the medical doctor in the section, Witness C, because Witness C knew about such treatment.=20 =09Witness B stated he would be seeing Witness C in a few days and would inquire as to what Witness C recalled of this event.=20 =09On March 9, 1998, Charles called Witness B at his office in the Walter Reed Army Institute. Charles asked Witness B if he had talked with Witness C.=20 =09He replied he had talked with Witness C, and Witness C recalled the incident, but could not recall from where he had been told the call into the Respiratory unit was originated.=20 =09On March 26,1998,Charles interviewed Witness C by telephone. He asked Witness C about his recollection of the telephone calls of interest. Witness C replied he had not been present at the time of the calls, but had been informed by his subordinates of the calls. =09Witness C recalled he was told the callers asked about treatment of blast injuries. He also said he remembered being told the callers left no phone number or name, and the office did not receive any subsequent calls. =20 =09Witness C did comment the circumstances surrounding the calls were "very interesting in light of later events" =09Many questions are still unanswered, such as =97from whence did the calls originate, =97who was the individual making the calls =97was this a put up deal from someone knowledgeable of the upcoming event? All valid questions without answers. =09There is, however, a couple of thoughts that have to be brought out; regardless of where the calls emanated, and regardless of who made the calls, they did occur. =09And they occurred two days prior to the bombing!!=09 -30- Fred Shannon, Senior Columnist, Ellis County (TX) Press Pat Kennedy, Contributing Writer - --=20 John_Johnson TXJohn47@ix.netcom.com =A9 1998 All rights reserved - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.= net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:58:32 -0700 From: Steve Silver Subject: GunTruths.Com: Please link GunTruths.Com is a recently unveiled resource for pro-firearms activists. If you haven't already done so, please be sure to check it out. The URL is: www.guntruths.com. Be sure to check out The Resource Center (you will have to be willing to state you believe in self-defense to access this page!). 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VISIT: www.guntruths.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 13:26:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #188 *************************