From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #190 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, October 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 190 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 22:09:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school?] (fwd) On Oct 07, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: fpe@egroups.com Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:35:22 -0500 From: "Marko" Subject: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school? Please take the time to vote in this. Here are the current results: In general, are parents qualified to home school their children? Yes 24.6% Yes, but school is a better option anyway 18.9% No 56.4% Total votes: 15,142 I think we may be able to change the percentages a little, what do you think? Mark ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:18:53 -0700 From: Jack Perrine Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school?] (fwd) At 22:09 10/07/98 PST, you wrote: >On Oct 07, Ed Wolfe wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >Reply-To: fpe@egroups.com >Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:35:22 -0500 >From: "Marko" >Subject: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school? > >Please take the time to vote in this. > >Here are the current results: > > >In general, are parents qualified to home school their children? > >Yes 24.6% >Yes, but school is a better option anyway 18.9% >No 56.4% > >Total votes: 15,142 > >I think we may be able to change the percentages a little, what do you >think? > >Mark Perhaps, a different question might be better.....in particular: Are teachers qualified to teach in schools Jack > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group >at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >- > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 14:30:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: News Item: U.S. lawmakers sneak through controversial wiretap law (fwd) On Oct 8, Rich Zellich wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] *** U.S. lawmakers sneak through controversial wiretap law WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Without debate or notice, U.S. lawmakers were poised Thursday to approve a proposal long-sought by the FBI that would dramatically expand wiretapping authority - an idea Congress openly rejected years ago. The provision, allowing law enforcement agencies to tap more easily any telephone used by or near a target individual instead of getting authorization to tap specific phones, was added to the Intelligence Authorization Conference report during a closed door meeting and filed with the House and Senate Monday. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2556487563-9df [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 22:32:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Congress is Gutting the Smith Amendment (fwd) On Oct 9, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Return-Path: >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:43:58 -0400 >From: Gun Owners of America >Reply-To: Gun Owners of America >To: goamail@gunowners.org >Subject: Congress is Gutting the Smith Amendment > >Action Needed To Save Smith "Anti-Brady" Amendment >-- FBI stripped of taxing power; but Smith language made weaker > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >(Thursday, October 8, 1998) -- In recent years, bookstores have >carried titles such as "The Dumbing Down of America" and "Why >Johnny Can't Read." Well, after the next few days, look forward >to reading "The Dumbing Down of Washington" and "Why Congress >Can't Legislate." > >In late July, Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) forced a vote on an >amendment to keep the FBI from registering and taxing gun owners. >The amendment passed OVERWHELMINGLY with 69 votes (out of a total >of 100). Support by the GOA grassroots was crucial to getting >both Democrats and Republicans to vote for Smith's amendment. It >was a tremendous victory for the country. > >So why is it that Congress couldn't just leave a good thing alone? > >High ranking sources on Capitol Hill have told GOA that >legislators on the appropriations conference committee are >whittling down the Smith amendment-- leaving important language on >the editing room floor. The good news is that there are remnants >of the Smith language-- namely, the prohibitions on registering >and taxing gun owners. > >Congress Opening Huge Loopholes In Smith Language > >Unfortunately, there is also some bad news to report. The Smith >language originally required the "immediate destruction of all >information [relating to background checks]." This language >passed the Senate by a veto-proof majority. But the Congressional >conferees think they know better than the will of the Senate. >That important language is gone! > >Rather than requiring the immediate destruction of gun owners' >names, the new language will allow the records to exist for 24 >hours! (Note the similarities to legislation introduced by Rep. >Bob Barr (R-GA)). > >Allowing names to be kept for 24 hours means (you guessed it) that >the FBI can "register" names for 24 hours. Make no mistake, a lot >can happen to those names in those 24 hours. If this new language >is enacted, it would represent the first time in federal history >that government officials would have explicit permission to retain >gun owners' names for a period of time-- albeit a brief period. > >New Committee Version Would Ask Janet Reno To Police The FBI > >Capitol Hill staffers warn that the new Smith language may not >include the very important "private cause of action." The >original Smith amendment allows aggrieved private citizens to sue >the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including attorney's >fees. If this language is deleted from the bill, it means that >gun owners will have to rely upon Janet Reno to prosecute FBI >officials for illegally retaining gun owners' names. (Don't hold >your breath.) > >Here's What To Do (The Congress Could Vote As Early As Tomorrow): > > * Call/fax the key House and Senate leaders that will decide the > fate of the Smith amendment. Tell them that you want to see > the Smith amendment word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > (Sample text included below.) > > * Call your own Representative and Senators (202-224-3121). Ask > them to oppose the Commerce-Justice-State appropriations bill > (H.R. 4276) unless the 24-hour "registration" period is > deleted from the Smith amendment, and the "private cause of > action" (to police the FBI) is included. > > >House Speaker and Chairmen for the >Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations Subcommittee > > >Subcomm. Chairmen >Sen. J. Gregg (NH) ph: 202-224-3324 fx: 224-4952 >Rep. H. Rogers (KY) ph: 202-225-4601 fx: 225-0940 > >Rep. Newt Gingrich ph: 202-225-4501 fx: 225-4656 >Gingrich's leadership ofc. ph: 202-225-0600 fx: 225-7733 > > >-------- Pre-written text -------- > >Dear > >In July, the pro-gun Smith amendment passed the Senate >OVERWHELMINGLY by a veto-proof majority. Democrats joined >Republicans and thumbed their nose at the Administration. Is it >too much to ask then that this popular language be left alone? >Please leave it word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > >I understand that the House and Senate conferees (who are working >on H.R. 4276) have altered the Smith language to allow the FBI to >keep gun owner records for 24 hours. That is unacceptable-- these >records must be destroyed immediately! > >Moreover, the private cause of action is just as important-- if >not more important-- than any of the other provisions in the Smith >amendment. It is imperative that aggrieved private citizens be >allowed to sue the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including >attorney's fees. Otherwise, Janet Reno will be the one who is left >to protect the privacy of gun owners-- an unrealistic option. > >As the Chairman of the Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations >Subcommittee, you are responsible for what happens under you. I >hope that you will restore the original Smith language. Thank you >very much. > >Sincerely, > >------------- > >Dear Rep. Gingrich, > >In July, the pro-gun Smith amendment passed the Senate >OVERWHELMINGLY by a veto-proof majority. Democrats joined >Republicans and thumbed their nose at the Administration. Is it >too much to ask then that this popular language be left alone? >Please leave it word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > >I understand that the House and Senate conferees (who are working >on H.R. 4276) have altered the Smith language to allow the FBI to >keep gun owner records for 24 hours. That is unacceptable-- these >records must be destroyed immediately! > >Moreover, the private cause of action is just as important-- if >not more important-- than any of the other provisions in the Smith >amendment. It is imperative that aggrieved private citizens be >allowed to sue the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including >attorney's fees. Otherwise, Janet Reno will be the one who is left >to protect the privacy of gun owners-- an unrealistic option. > >As the House Speaker, you are responsible for what happens under >you. I hope that you will make sure the original Smith language is >restored. Thank you very much. > >Sincerely, > >**************************************************************** >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting >up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to >the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and >carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, >and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per >week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this >notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and indicate your state of >residence in either the subject or the body. 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Tom >Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:49:55 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Man shot to death at Taft, CA gun shop > >Source: The Bakersfield Californian >http://www.bakersfield.com/top/i--1304325052.asp > >Man shot to death at Taft gun shop=20 > > Filed: October 7, 1998 > > By FRED LUDWIG > Californian staff writer > e-mail: fludwig@bakersfield.com=20 > > Kern County sheriff's officials refused to release details about a >gun shop owner apparently killed Wednesday in Taft by police.=20 > > Taft residents contacted by The Californian identified the victim as >Darryl Howell, although that could not be confirmed. Law enforcement >officials refused to confirm the identification. > > The fatal shooting was connected with an attempt by U.S. Bureau of >Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents to serve a search warrant, said >Sheriff Carl Sparks. The Sheriff's Department is the lead agency >investigating the shooting, Sparks said.=20 > > Sparks said officials were withholding comment because details of the >incident were unclear. Police officials typically release preliminary >conclusions and available facts while investigations are ongoing.=20 > > "There will be enough suspicion about this incident without releasing >information that was not really correct," Sparks said. =20 > > A press conference will be held at 2 p.m. today to provide details of >the incident, Sparks said.=20 > > "ATF is bringing in some of (its) high-level people," Sparks said. >"They want to be there when the press conference is done." > > Eunice Howell, Howell's mother, said about 7:30 p.m. she was >disappointed because officials had given her no official notice of the >incident.=20 > > "I just know my son is dead," she said.=20 > > Taft resident Doug Benc said he has been a customer of Howell's >store, and has known him informally for about a year and a half. > > Benc said he didn't know what happened Wednesday, but Howell seemed >like a nice, law-abiding man.=20 > > Bakersfield resident Kerry Bulls teaches corrections and firearms >classes for Taft College and refers students to the gun shop. Bulls >said he has seen Howell check firearms regulations if not sure about >their provisions.=20 > > "He was the type of person that was very meticulous on regulations >regarding the sale of firearms," Bulls said.=20 > >Copyright=A9 1998, The Bakersfield Californian >--=20 >****************************************************************** > > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > > Grove City, OH 43123 > > > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > > > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com > >****************************************************************** >=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:14:05 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: [Fwd: [UWSA] It's time to make it all a Joke!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------26D63CBB302A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For your enjoyment, or dismay, or whatever. Regards, Skip. - --------------26D63CBB302A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from right-net.com (majordom@right-net.com [209.249.10.62]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17648; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by right-net.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA07672 for uwsa.com.uwsa-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:34:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bill Selmeier UWSA.COM Administrator" To: uwsa@uwsa.com Subject: [UWSA] It's time to make it all a Joke! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-uwsa@uwsa.com Precedence: bulk This both is and is not a joke! I have a teenage son, a great kid, but could I start getting this kind of logic from him. I don't think so, but some of his friends would find the discussion below acceptable: Problems raising a teenager given the "truth" nowadays.... Somewhere in America, next week: Dad - Son, come in here, we need to talk. Son - What's up, Dad? D- There's a scratch down the side of the car. Did you do it? S- I don't believe, if I understand the definition of "scratch the car", that I can say, truthfully, that I scratched the car. D- Well, it wasn't there yesterday, and you drove the car last night, and no one else has driven it since. How can you explain the scratch? S- Well, as I've said before, I have no recollection of scratching the car. While it is true that I did take the car out last night, I did not scratch it. D- But your sister, Monica, has told me she saw you back the car against the mailbox at the end of the driveway, heard a loud scraping sound, saw you get out to examine the car, and then drive away. So again I'll ask you, yes or no, did you scratch the car? S- Oh, you mean you think you have evidence to prove I scratched it. Well, you see, I understood you to mean did "I" scratch the car. I stand by my earlier statement, that I did not scratch the car. D- Are you trying to tell me you didn't drive the car into the mailbox? S- Well, you see sir, I was trying to drive the car into the street. I mishandled the steering of the car, and it resulted in direct contact with the mailbox, though that was clearly not my intent. D- So you are then saying that you did hit the mailbox? S- No sir, that's not my statement. I'll refer you back to my original statement that I did not scratch the car. D- But the car did hit the mailbox, and the car did get scratched as a result of this contact? S- Well, yes, I suppose you could look at it that way. D- So you lied to me when you said you did not scratch the car? S- No. No, that's not correct. Your question was "Did I scratch the car?". From a strict legal definition, as I understood the meaning of that sentence, I did not scratch the car... the mailbox did... I was merely present when the scratching occurred. So my answer of "No" when you asked "Did I scratch the car" was legally correct, although I did not volunteer information. D- Where did you learn to talk like a complete idiot? S- From The President of the United States. =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com Subject: - ---------------------------------------- (un)subscribe uwsa Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html - --------------26D63CBB302A-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:36:54 -0700 From: Jack Perrine Subject: Another Suicide......Really..... [03] Officials: Gun dealer a suicide Filed: October 8, 1998 By FRED LUDWIG Californian staff writer e-mail: fludwig@bakersfield.com A Taft gun shop owner killed himself during a federal weapons raid, officials said Thursday, but the news appeared unlikely to immediately quiet the strong emotions over the death in the small community. Darryl Howell broke loose from authorities trying to handcuff him Wednesday morning and grabbed a handgun behind the counter, officials said. After a struggle with a U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent, Howell put the gun in his mouth and fired, officials said. Taft police Sgt. Ed Whiting, who had turned away and didn't realize what had happened, then fired three shots into Howell's body, they said. But preliminary results from an overnight autopsy showed Howell died from the self-inflicted shot. "It was a tragic incident - the type of incident law enforcement always prepares for but certainly hopes never occurs," said Kern County Sheriff Carl Sparks. After getting about 40 calls from upset people, sheriff's officials took the unusual step Thursday of following up a news conference with a public question-and-answer session with people from Taft and elsewhere. Officials had refused to release details Wednesday, and rumors and questions ran rampant through Taft. Some on hand Thursday expressed doubts that Howell would have sold illegal guns or killed himself. "None of us believe that for a minute," said Yolanda Snyder, a friend of Howell. "That's not Darryl." The raid accompanied other searches of homes, businesses and vehicles that led to the arrest of two Bakersfield residents Wednesday, said John Malone, an ATF special agent. Officials filed several charges of weapons possession and trafficking against Richard Speilman and Mark Reed. The suspects knew each other but were not necessarily cooperating in a gun-running scheme, Malone said. ATF has been investigating Howell about three years, Malone said. He said undercover agents twice bought illegal machine guns from him - once two years ago and again 18 months ago. They waited with a raid while the investigation moved forward on other fronts, Malone said. Wednesday, two ATF agents entered Howell's shop, Alpha Omega Surplus and Supplies, with Whiting and one sheriff's deputy about 10 a.m., when the shop was just opening and no customers had yet arrived. A pat-down search indicated Howell was unarmed, but Howell grabbed the .45-caliber handgun. Whiting, who did not see all of the ensuing struggle, fired after hearing Howell's suicidal shot, said sheriff's Sgt. Glenn Johnson. Howell offered no reason for the suicide, Johnson said. Officials would not describe what, if any, illegal weapons were found at the store, saying federal law requires a report to be sent first to a federal magistrate. The department's investigation into the shooting will continue for another two or three weeks, Johnson said. Taft police officials were not on hand for the announcement. Whiting has been placed on administrative assignment, Johnson said. Johnson said he did not know whether Whiting has shot anyone before. Whiting was named in an April lawsuit by Santa Barbara couple who accused Whiting of detaining them without probable cause, an allegation he has denied. Some people who knew Howell said at the announcement that there was bad blood between Whiting and Howell. "They did not have a good relationship at all," said Bakersfield resident Jim Koob. Walt Parham said he came to the event out of concern over whether officials were overstepping their bounds with all the recent drug raids, but had an open mind. "They (officials) made a good case, and I tend to believe it," Parham said. Sparks said ATF involvement in the incident raises eyebrows of those who distrust the agency. Sparks said he wanted to meet with residents in an effort to ease any concerns. "We can't just ignore it," Sparks said. "That's the kind of stuff that tears a community apart - or it can." Friends skeptical of official account Filed: October 8, 1998 By CHRISTINE L. PETERSON Californian staff writer e-mail: cpeterson@bakersfield.com Disbelief permeated the tight-knit communities of Taft and Ford City Thursday as residents and friends of Darryl Howell questioned law enforcement's account of his death in his gun shop. The Kern County Sheriff Department's version of the events - that the gun shop owner grabbed a loaded .45-caliber handgun Wednesday, struggled with officers and then placed the barrel in his mouth and pulled the trigger - just didn't fit with what they knew of the father of two. Sheriff's officials said a Taft police officer, not knowing where the expended round went, immediately fired three rounds that struck Howell, 45, on the right side of his body. He died at the scene. "Everyone in Taft knows this is stupid," said Shannon Ong, 34, Howell's niece. "They think the police officers are trying to make it seem like he was a criminal." Ong believes there could be nothing further from the truth - that the man who grew up in Taft and graduated from Taft Union High School where yearbooks say he played football and was in the band was a wonderful man who ran an upstanding business. While at least one family member and friends said Howell was vocal in support of gun rights, they did not believe he would condone any illegal behavior or sell illegal firearms. "The way that press release makes him sound, well, he just would have never done anything like that," Ong said after reading a copy of a sheriff's news release on the incident. ATF agents went to Alpha Omega Surplus and Supplies Store as part of a four-year firearms trafficking investigation, said ATF special agent Tracy Hite. She said ATF was assisted in serving a warrant by the Taft Police Department and Kern County Sheriff's Department. "This was a lengthy investigation that led us to several locations," Hite said, explaining that there were search warrants for five locations and arrest warrants for three people in Kern County. Ong estimated her uncle had the business for 15 to 20 years, first within Taft city limits and then in the county. At the business Thursday, some family members and friends gathered at the shop. A bumper sticker on a window bore the message: "Only tyrants and criminals fear honest armed citizens." Recorded programs blared from speakers outside the shop. "I just don't understand it," said friend Jamie Walchock. She said that while she didn't share Howell's support of guns, she respected him because he looked on the bright side of life, listened to and worked with people on their problems and was satisfied with making ends meet. She said Howell talked about moving. "In the 12 years I have known him, I have never seen him upset," Walchock said. To her, Howell was a law-abiding citizen; she said he didn't like helmets so he stopped riding his motorcycle when the helmet law went into effect. "I know in a million years he wouldn't ever shoot himself or lunge at a police officer," Walchock said. Ken Bishop, who would sometimes visit Howell at his shop, said Howell was "somewhat of a patriot" and would share his opinions about guns. He said that law enforcement's statement that Howell had illegal firearms seems "off the wall." Mike Hodges, the publisher of Golden Empire Review, said Howell asked to have a column printed in the paper titled, "Notes from Moron." Taft was called Moron in 1908, according to "Kern County Place Names." The city changed its name to Taft in 1909. In the column, Howell quotes several passages from the Bible. The column Hodges attributed to Howell states, "It is not an hone to be in the Militia! It is our God-given duty! We are commanded to be his soldiers. It is time to lay aside our 'daily' jobs and return to duty! R&R is over! To arms, to arms! Where are His soldiers? "Right now, where is your squad members? Right now can you honestly state that you are aware of their location and their ability to respond to duty?" Hodges said after Howell died, he reread the column. "It gave me an eerie, shaky feeling," Hodges said. He said he didn't believe Howell would ever resist arrest. While Howell didn't agree with some gun legislation, he abided by it, Hodges said. "I know Darryl wouldn't kill himself and he wouldn't hurt someone else," Hodges said. "My personal experience is he was a real giving person." - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 98 21:23:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: DRUDGE: New Breaking Clinton Scandal (fwd) And the circle closes tighter..... On Oct 11, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] DRUDGE REPORT SUN OCT 11 1998 17:28:41 ET x x x x x WHITE HOUSE LAWYER CHERYL MILLS REFERRED TO JUSTICE DEPT ON OBSTRUCTION CHARGE; HILL REPORT HITS PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WITH 'THEFT OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY' **EXCLUSIVE DETAILS** DRUDGE REPORT SUN OCT 11 1998 17:28:41 ET x x x x x WHITE HOUSE LAWYER CHERYL MILLS REFERRED TO JUSTICE DEPT ON OBSTRUCTION CHARGE; HILL REPORT HITS PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WITH 'THEFT OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY' **EXCLUSIVE DETAILS** A congressional subcommittee has written a blistering report that will level new charges against the president and first lady, accusing them of taking part in the 'theft of government property.' The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained the report, soon to be released on, where else, the Internet [http://www.house.gov/reform/neg/reports/whodb/whodb.htm ] -- and the more than 500 pages of back up material outlining the committee's findings in the White House Database project. The subcommittee's findings become the obsession of key players on The Hill over the weekend and was moving under the media radar in scandal-fatigued Washington. "No one here wants another scandal," one lawmaker told the DRUDGE REPORT in Washington. It was not known late Sunday if the Database findings will be incorporated into the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment investigation. The story involves a White House computer database allegedly used as a political fundraising tool. The report charges that "White House personnel took government data and transferred it to the Democratic National Committee to assist in campaign fundraising." The database, which cost 1.7 million in tax dollars, included records of people who attended White House social events, meetings and other functions as well as the White House Christmas card list. An investigative subcommittee of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee has gathered hundreds of documents and conducted dozens of depositions that it says shows a trail of unlawful activity -- a trail that leads to the president and his wife! "The pattern of evidence obtained by the committee implicates the president and the First Lady in the possible theft of government property," the report states in its opening summary. Concluding its two year investigation into the White House Database, the subcommittee charges that "the president's involvement in the plan to convert government property to the DNC and the ultimate accomplishment of that plan motivated the White House to mount an extraordinary effort to delay and impede the investigation." Deputy Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills [a Harold Ickes recruit] has been hit with a charge of "lying to the committee and obstructing the investigation by withholding documents." The Mills matter has been referred to the Department of Justice for investigation. The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained a confidential secret memo from the woman who was co-ordinating the computer project, Marsha Scott, the memo was given to the First Lady and White House big shots Bruce Lindsey and Harold Ickes. The First Lady, in her own handwriting, notes on the memo outlining the computer database and sharing its information with the DNC: "This sounds promising, please advise." Another Scott memo states: "This is the president's idea and it's a good one." [The committee report states that Hillary Clinton "actually received a demonstration of the Database."] It has been learned that White House staffer Scott walked out of a deposition exploring the matter. One Scott memo sent to Hillary Clinton and Bruce Lindsey on January 26, 1994 -- marked "confidential" -- reveals that Scott was concerned about the loyalty of those who would work on the Database project. Scott wrote: "Another unanticipated obstacle has been the recent downsizing efforts throughout the EOP [Executive Office of the President] which resulted in the removal of... the young, computer enthusiasts who kept up with the cutting edge technologies. When they were let go we were left for the most part with an older, certainly less enthusiastic groups whose allegiance is, in my opinion, highly questionable." A deputy White House lawyer had warned all involved in the project that data from the computer may be provided to sources outside of the federal government "only for authorized purposes." David Watkins, then assistant to the president, said in an eyes only "privileged and confidential" memo: "The White House Database will be government property and can not be used by a campaign entity." The report accuses the White House of sharing files from the database with the DNC and the Clinton/Gore reelection campaign -- even using White House staffers to transfer the information. The trail from White House to DNC is detailed in hundreds of pages of documents and testimony. The report's summary concludes: "The committee has obtained evidence that Deputy Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills perjured herself and obstructed the investigation to prevent Congress and the American public from finding out that the president and the First Lady were involved in the unlawful conversion of government property; the president and the first lady were involved in the unlawful conversion of governments property to the use of the DNC and the Clinton/Gore campaign; and numerous other individuals, including Erskine Bowles and Marsha Scott were also involved in the unlawful conversion of government property to the use of the DNC and the campaign through the diversion of data and resources." The WASHINGTON POST and the NEW YORK TIMES have taken a pass on the report, it has been learned. Developing... Rose Bowen mailto:bowenten@swva.net Need a web presence at an affordable cost? 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(fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:12:42 -0700 From: Ken Chafin Subject: CAS: NYP: MARKET-RIGGING: SHORT-TERM FIX, LONG-TERM DISASTER New York Post-October 12, 1998 MARKET-RIGGING: SHORT-TERM FIX, LONG-TERM DISASTER By JOHN CRUDELE THANK goodness someone has finally decided to rig the stock market. With the impeachment process in motion and Ken Starr confirming my exclusive of a few weeks ago that there are more impeachable offenses being looked into, someone had better take action to rig the market before the political crisis turns into an economic one. My bet on the rigger is Washington, probably through something that the Washington Post last year called the Plunge Protection Team. That's a group of financial big shots from the Treasury, the Fed and Wall Street whose stated job is to keep the financial markets from collapsing - as evidenced by Thursday's dramatic turnaround and Friday's 167-point gain. But the prop under the stock market could just as easily be coming from Wall Street firms, with the blessing and assistance of the Federal Reserve. That's not so preposterous, considering these very firms - with the Fed's blessing - had to step in a few weeks ago to protect the financial system from the mess created by the Long-Term Capital hedge fund. But there are right ways to rig the market and there are wrong ways. There are also legal and illegal ways. As it turns out, the right ways, or the effective ways, at the present moment also happen to be the illegal ways. The wrongheaded and ineffective way would be to continue to try to correct the current stock market downturn through things like interest rate cuts. First, I'll tell you how the stock market is being rigged. Then I'll tell you what's even more important - what's going to happen in Washington and why you should get out of stocks before this rigging adventure leads to disaster. Here's some history: Back in 1989 a Fed governor named Robert Heller proposed rigging the stock market. Heller had just left the Fed when he gave a speech suggesting that the central bank should step in and take direct action to keep the stock market from collapsing. The Fed had taken action before. It made sure there was enough liquidity during the crash of '87 to keep the system going. It may have even strong-armed a few banks into propping up the market. And it has often lowered interest rates at opportune times. But Heller's idea was different. He wanted a more direct approach, especially when the bond and currency markets were becoming uncontrollable (like they are these days). Heller believed that in an emergency, the Fed should start buying stock index futures contracts until it managed to pull stocks out of their nosedive. Essentially, whenever there is heavy buying of these futures contracts it causes the underlying stock market to rise. The futures contracts can be bought cheaply; they are highly leveraged so you get more bang for each buck, and they eliminate the need for a rigger to purchase, say, all 30 stocks that make up the Dow. Heller explained that the process was simple. And it is. The trouble is, the government never has had authority to rig the stock market. But there are indications that this sort of rigging works, at least for awhile. Hong Kong authorities rigged their stock market last month when selling pressure became too great. That government did it openly and proudly. How do I know the market is being rigged? I really don't. But I am very suspicious. Take last Thursday, when the Dow was down more than 200 points and the House was passing a resolution to investigate the President of the United States. Exactly when the debate was going on in Congress, the S&P 500 futures contracts shot up in price like someone needed a market rally awfully bad. A noble effort. Maybe even a necessary one. But let's keep this to ourselves. If the rest of the world found out what was going on they might want to find some other place to invest. The U.S. is likely to need a lot more market riggings in the months ahead as more of Starr's findings come to light. The bottom line? Washington is going to have to perfect its market rigging technique. Make it a little more subtle. Perhaps start at 2:35 p.m. in the trading day rather than always at 3 p.m. And do it in a hurry - the next big explosion in the Starr investigation of the President will probably come soon after the elections. But if you're an investor who doesn't trust the government to pave your street much less protect your portfolio, it's time to skedaddle. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. 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