From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #192 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 192 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:50:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Clinton NYC protester and gun law stuff (fwd) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:17:26 -0400 From: "ML/NJ" Subject: CAS: AT THE BARRICADES (in NYC 10/12) AT THE BARRICADES (in NYC 10/12) ================================ I made my first foray into the being of "demonstrator" yesterday when I went into NYC with two double-sided handmade signs to the vicinity where Our President was shilling for bucks (yet again.) And "vicinity" it was. I was moved three times from places I had previously been told to stand. I wondered if this happened in the 60's when people heckled Johnson. (I didn't like LBJ, but I wasn't against the war in Vietnam per se, so I spent my time at the racetrack in that era.) I was on the streets for about four and a half hours during which time Our President was "moved" three times. I caught a glimpse of one of those moves when his northbound limo turned west and I was on the NE corner at least 50 feet away. The only other "demonstrators" I encountered were a pair of immigrants for D'Amato; a non-English speaking couple with a humongous fabric banner mounted at opposite ends on two large poles, reminiscent of the sort one would see in a May Day parade, supporting Clinton; and a brief appearance by homosexual activists suggesting that we needed stronger laws against murdering homosexuals than against murdering normal people. My signs didn't use poles because I thought the police considered these dangerous objects in the "vicinity" of Our President. My two signs had four messages (one per side): CLINTON SCOREBOARD FUNDRAISERS 100 CABINET MEETINGS 2 INAPPROPRIATE CONTACTS 350 * *wag W H O K I L L E D V I N C E ? HOW DID MONICA GET HER PENTAGON SECURITY CLEARANCE ??? CLINTON & SCHUMER HEROES OF WACO PERFECT TOGETHER (unemployed) Reaction, especially to the first, was fantastic! The police loved the signs. I had one Captain come over to me and ask me if I was a NYer. After I explained that I lived in NJ, but that I had almost always lived in the NY Metro area, he said he wished there were more like me around. Some brought their friends. One suggested that I would have to update my "scoreboard" tomorrow. Another apparently hadn't thought about Monica's security clearance, suggesting that she couldn't be trusted with the evening garbage. I spoke at length to several including one who probably told me more than he should have about security arrangements, and NYPD interaction with the SS. (There were zillions of NYPD uniformed officers. I wondered what happens when the President visits Toledo. I also wondered if he acutally raises more money than one of these visits costs.) The best reaction of the night came from three uniformed Secret Service guys who walked past me. They each started to laugh, and one of them nearly doubled over from g'fawing. I watched them after they passed by and they launched into animated conversation. The SS must spend a lot of time talking about the Slick One. Other passers by were largely divided into the rush hour crowd, and the evening crowd. The rush hour crowd was =extremely= supportive. I got lots of thumbs-up signals, approving smiles, and "I'm with you"s. 20-35 year-old females in their smart NYC work attire were very supportive. There were virtually no negative comments. Later, when there were fewer people, things were more balanced. I had a number of nice conversations with like-minded people. Interestingly two couples, about a half hour apart were each from the NW suburbs of Chicago. Some asked who Vince was, in contrast with rush hour folks who asked if I had seen "The List." There were more thumbs-up. Tourists took pictures of me and my signs, or them and me and my signs. But there were a number of people who did object to my signs with brief polite comment, or disapproving glares. (The NYC 60+ matrons especially!) One drunk wasn't so polite; my new-found NYPD buddies descended upon him en mass and essentially escorted him from the jurisdiction. It was a fun evening. I was only sorry that I was by myself, and that I wasn't allowed to be near the President's path which is where the TV crews were. ML/NJ ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:00 EDT From: MsCntryLdy@aol.com Subject: CAS: OT~Suspend 'Instant Check' System, Or Suspend the Constitution For educational purposes only: Suspend 'Instant Check' System, Or Suspend the Constitution By Lisa S. Dean "Endangered Liberties" Commentary Monday, August 10, 1998 Back when Congress passed the McClure/Volkmer Act, it was viewed as a triumph for advocates of the second amendment. McClure/Volkmer, among other things, absolutely prohibited any recording of gun sales and gun owner information in any government facility. But then Congress passed the Brady Bill, the first part of which permitted the creation of a database for anyone who didn't meet the background check requirements, but that collected data had to be destroyed within 20 days. The second part of Brady indicates that all records collected must be destroyed instantly, thereby upholding the provisions passed by Congress in McClure/Volkmer. However, Alan Korwin of the Bloomfield Press reported in today's USA Journal that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is about to ignore both McClure/Volkmer and the Brady Bill in order to push its new regulations for the National Instant Check system. Through this new system, gun buyers will have their names and personal information recorded at least three times by independent government agencies, and these records will be kept for an undisclosed period of time, to be determined solely by the FBI. The National Rifle Association has now come out against this regulation, because it is the first real step toward gun confiscation in this country. While some federal authorities have long sought some form of gun registration, they have been frustrated by congressional opposition. But a little opposition never stops the Clinton Administration, however. What they fail to achieve their goal, through congressional action directly, they turn to federal orders and regulations, which seldom get challenged in the Congress. While there has been substantial resistance in various states to this gun registration database, the FBI has that problem solved, it seems. According to Korwin, in order to get the co-operation of the states in this venture, the FBI is offering them a deal. If states co-operate in the national database, then their gun dealers will avoid being taxed by the FBI. However, if states fail to co-operate, then the FBI will tax gun dealers directly. First the Federal Communications Commission imposed its universal service tax on every citizens' phone bill without authorization from Congress. Now the FBI wants to tax gun dealers! Forgive me for asking such an obvious question but since when do federal agencies have the constitutional right to tax anyone? I thought the Constitution gave Congress the power to tax, so where is Congress while all this is taking place? The level of unconstitutional behavior engendered by this Administration is breathtaking. Our form of government is literally being changed right before our eyes and Congress has done little about this. When they have, Clinton simply threatens a veto and Congress runs scared. Incidentally, the new gun regulations are such that no gun sales will be permitted when the national computer databases are not working. With the Y2K problem looming large in just a few months, what a perfect time for the Administration to be able to stop all gun sales in this country. Perhaps they will never be resumed. I don't own a gun and never thought I would want to own one. But maybe the time has come for all good citizens to acquire firearms before it becomes illegal to do so. Personally I never paid a lot of attention to issues like this because I thought we had a Constitution which would protect us against the desires of government to control everything we do. If the FBI gets away with these new regulations, it will be clear that our Constitution will have come one step closer to being suspended altogether. Until that day comes, we, as citizens, had better take action on the assumption that we have no Constitution to protect us. Contact: Lisa Dean @ 202.546.3000 See the latest Endangered Liberties program on the Free Congress Foundation's Website: http://www.freecongress.org ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:20 -0700 From: Steve Silver Subject: Prof. Volokh to speak at ATF Night The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc., is very pleased to announce that UCLA School of Law Professor Eugene Volokh will speak at "ATF Night" Thursday evening, October 15. Prof. Volokh will offer some brief thoughts about the state of recent Second Amendment scholarship and the debate regarding the right to keep and bear arms in judicial circles. A question/answer period will follow. "ATF Night" is a semi-monthly (third Thursday of every even-numbered month), informal meeting of Southern California firearms rights activists. "ATF Nights" feature politics, gun talk, great food and (for those who wish to partake) adult beverages. Don't forget your cigars, either. 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VISIT: www.guntruths.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:54:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Clinton polls hold steady in wake of chinese nuclear attack - --------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:59:29 -0700 From: Ken Chafin Subject: CAS: CNS: Satire-Clinton Polls Hold Steady In Wake of Chinese Nuclear Attack Clinton Polls Hold Steady In Wake of Chinese Nuclear Attack 13 October, 1998 By David Burge CNS Satire Washington, DC - In the first comprehensive measure of public opinion since the nuclear obliteration of Los Angeles by the People's Liberation Army of China, a newly released New York Times/CNN poll revealed relatively steady job approval ratings for President Bill Clinton. The president's overall job approval rating was 62%, a slight drop from last month's level of 64%. Pollster Stan Greenberg cautioned that the drop might reflect simple geographical sampling differences. "For instance," said Greenberg, "Los Angeles is a traditional stronghold of Clinton support. We weren't able to poll many LA residents in this latest study because the city was basically, well, wiped out." "If you factor in the millions of dead Clinton supporters," said Greenberg, "the approval rating is more like 66%." Clinton fared better among women, especially in crucial suburban swing districts. These so-called "soccer moms" threw their support behind the president by a margin of 69% - 28%, with 3% undecided. The approval rate rose to a stunning 91% among insecure, wealthy, low-IQ women who drive Lexus SUVs, read "People" and "Mirabella", and sit on their fat asses all day watching weepy made-for-TV movies on the "Lifetime" cable TV network. The results buoyed the spirits of Clinton political advisors, who feared some female electoral fallout after Clinton admitted last week to keeping a harem of teenage sex slaves chained in the White House basement. The poll also found strong Clinton support among recipients of public aide, personal injury lawyers, illegal aliens, convicted sex offenders, and the Psychic Friends Network. Together, these demographic segments account for 56% of U.S. population, and 94% of Democratic Party registration. Poll respondents cited the president's handling of the economy as a principle factor in their support. Debbie Mayer, 37, of Albany, NY noted, "I won $3 in Pick Five last Tuesday. I credit Bill Clinton." So does Dorothy Evans, 62, of Spearfish, SD. "I save money with the many valuable coupons I get in my Sunday newspaper. These would be eliminated if Bill Clinton, God forbid, loses office." In the lone weak spot for the president, poll respondents expressed disappointment regarding Clinton's handling of the Chinese nuclear attacks, by a 51% - 39% margin. Many in Washington felt that the president made a strategic political mistake last week when he admitted personally selling the nuclear weapons to the PLA during a state visit last year, in order to raise money for his legal defense fund. The disapproval rose to 56% among those who had a close relative or loved one vaporized in the attack. The president's political team was able to somewhat deflect his culpability, however. In the poll, 76% of respondents agreed with the statement, "All politicians sell nuclear weapons to hostile nations to raise money for their legal defense fund." Surprisingly, Clinton received high marks (71% approval) from the invading Chinese army, which is expected to storm eastward across the Rocky Mountains by Wednesday. "While the PLA is not a traditional voting bloc, their support will be crucial in keeping Democrats in the White House after the revolution of the proletariat," said Greenberg. Storming across the Great Basin of Nevada, PLA Artillery Officer Guang Xiapang expresses a typical opinion. "Comrade Mao has declared the principles by which our glorious revolution will be implemented. Comrade Clinton has endorsed our struggle, and has provided us the rope with which we will hang decadent capitalist society." Added Guang, "Just get off the poor guy's back." Editor's Note: This piece originally ran on Free Republic in August and is reprinted by permission of the author. Courtesy of Free Republic Copyright 1998, David Burge, the IowaHawk at IowaHawk_98@yahoo.com ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 14:36:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: BRUSSELS CONFERENCE (fwd) On Oct 15, Tom Walls wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thomas D. Walls International Firearms Directory http://www.afn.org/~afn18566 Subject: BRUSSLES CONFERENCE INTERNATINAL CONFERENCE SUSTAINABLE DISARMAMENT FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT BRUSSELS, 12-13 OCTOBER 1998 THE BRUSSELS CALL FOR ACTION The NRA will be sending over a brief synposis shortly on this convention. The Conference welcomes recent initiatives by international, regional, national and local actors, both governmental and non-governmental from all regions of the industrialized and developing world, to control and reduce the flow and availability of small arms and light weapons. The conference served to promote an international programme of action on practical disarmament and peacebuilding. The conference welcomes recent initiatives by the United Nations to operationalise and intergrate the approach to disarmament, security and development. It encourages the Secreatry General to provide assistance to member states seeking the UN's help in weapons collection, demobilisation and reintergration. Weapons collection programmes should be an intergal part of peace agreements, demobilisation programmes and post-conflict reconstruction. Mechanisms should be established to identify and promote best practice and ensure adequate resources for such programmes. The conference urges the rapid and transparent destruction or safe disposal of such collected arms. In close partnership, the donor community should support government weapons collection and development programmes involving communities striving to remove weapons from circulation. The schemes needed to be developedwould offer aid and debt relief ( eg: debt/arms destruction swaps, or weapons collection linked with development projects )- to facilitate and increase incentives for the collection, destruction or secure disposal of " ALL " weapons stocks that are surplus to legitimate requirements. A CALL FOR MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE WIDESPREAD AVAILABILITY, TRANSFER AND USE OF LIGHT WEAPONS AND SMALL ARMS. National, regional and international regulations, policies with respect to the possession and transfer of arms should be strengthened where appropriate to enhance international cooperation in combating the illicit arms manufcturing and trafficking. More to follow on the Brussels convention .......................... Thank you NRA for being there for all of us ! Donna Ferolie [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 01:01:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Ten Free Citizens (fwd) On Oct 15, Stephen B Clayton wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] My late wife's Grandfather, had he lived longer, would have enjoyed talking with everyone on Fratrum (and Raptus and Garden, too!). As a Constitutionalist and as a hard-working American citizen, he died in 1967, still championing the rights of the common man and buttonholing his neighbors about freedom. I was sorting through some of his effects today and I came across the following. It was published by "Americans for the Competitive Enterprise System". I'm not sure about the date, but the rhetoric seems to place it somewhere in the early 50's. The picture it paints may seem mild in comparison with PDD's and Executive Orders. Take it as a historic snapshot of the times. And remember the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Steve Clayton - Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA Megilah Bereshith 12:2-3 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Story Of Ten Free Citizens, And What Happened To Them Ten free citizens, prosperous and content, Scoffed at socialistic trends, price controls and rent. Coal profits disappeared, miners wouldn't mine; Bureaucrats took over Coal - then there were nine. Nine free citizens - Farmers saw too late Dangerous threats in crop controls, then there were eight. Eight free citizens, each in his heaven; Medicine was socialized - that left seven. Seven free citizens swallowed socialist tricks; Planners took Utilities - leaving only six. Six free citizens - Railroads couldn't thrive; Federal operation came, reducing them to five. Five free citizens restricted more and more; Steel has been collectivized - that leaves four. Four free citizens taxed unmercifully: Government absorbed the Banks, then there were three. Three free citizens - profits are taboo; Socialized insurance came, removing all but two. Two free citizens - Rations have begun; Price controls plague housewives - that leaves one. One free citizen, the last remaining one, Cannot carry on alone, so now there are none. Ten free citizens (but they're no longer free) Do as they are ordered in a Planned Economy. Socialism got them all, one by one you see. Each little sucker thought: "It can never happen to me!" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 10:13:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Republican Leadership Caves (fwd) On Oct 19, by way of John Wells wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Tell Your Congressmen to Vote "NO" on the Omnibus Spending Bill --Republicans gut the Smith amendment; leave little for gun owners to cheer Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org ACTION: The final version of the omnibus spending bill still contains the gutted version of the Smith amendment. So please contact your Representative and Senators and urge them to vote NO on the "omnibus spending bill" (202-224-3121). A vote has been scheduled for Tuesday. Already, some of the more pro-gun members of Congress have told GOA that they plan to oppose this legislative sellout by the Republican leadership. But other legislators need to hear from the folks back home. In the following statement-- delivered to congressional offices today-- GOA explains what the gutting of the Smith amendment will mean for law-abiding gun owners. (GOA letter delivered to Congressional offices today) Vote AGAINST the Omnibus bill! - -- Please don't "insult" gun owners (October 16, 1998) As we reported last week, the budget conference committee has severely gutted the Smith Anti-Tax and Registration language. This is a major victory for President Clinton and Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, Inc. Ms. Brady's web page states that the full Smith amendment would have been "an early Christmas present to criminals." Imagine that! Prohibiting the FBI from registering law-abiding Americans is-- in Sarah Brady's view-- a gift to criminals! What an insult to the millions of honest gun owners nationwide. [ see http://www.handguncontrol.org/press/oct9-98facts.htm ] Unfortunately, the conference committee has placated Ms. Brady and the President. The Smith provision requiring the "immediate destruction" of all gun owners' names has been deleted. Allowing the FBI to keep gun buyers' names for 24 hours represents the first time in federal history that government officials would have explicit permission to retain gun owners' names for a period of time-- albeit a brief period. The conference version has also dropped an extremely important part of the Smith amendment which would include a private cause of action for citizens whose privacy is violated by the FBI. The Smith language allowed aggrieved private citizens to sue the FBI and to collect monetary damages, including attorney's fees. Now that this language has been deleted from the bill, it means that gun owners may have to rely upon Janet Reno to rein in FBI officials who illegally retain gun owners' names-- an outrageous scenario. Thus, GOA will rate a vote against the omnibus bill as a pro-gun vote. Is there any good news for gun owners? * What about the Smith prohibition on the FBI tax? This part of the Smith amendment did survive in the omnibus spending bill and that is good news. But gun owners should know that they're still going to have to pay. Because the gun owners' tax was deleted, Republican leaders increased funding for the FBI instant background check to $42 million dollars. So you're still going to pay for it-- you just won't see the "tax" until April 15. * What about efforts to extend the waiting period? Sarah Brady and President Clinton both lobbied hard to extend the waiting period beyond the November 30 deadline. They failed. While this is welcome news, people should not forget this simply means that the status quo will remain in force. Current law dictates that the waiting period must expire on November 30. But the government is still going to screen all gun buyers before they exercise their constitutionally protected rights. Gun buyers are still going to face the threat of government bureaucrats registering their names, now that the "teeth" of the Smith amendment has been deleted. Some on Capitol Hill are touting all of this as a tremendous victory for gun owners. Well, with more victories like these, there won't be much of a Second Amendment left. **************************************************************** Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and indicate your state of residence in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:23:49 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Phone Scam Forwarded FYI folks. Regards, Skip. >This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >Beware, your local telephone guy. >JOHN > >--------------------------------- >I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >has been going on for over 6 months. > >I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >number. We were further informed that this scam has been >originating from many of the local jails and prisons. > >I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >verified >that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >ANYONE. >The GTE Security department requested that I share this >information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! > >Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >thing. >90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >It does allow them full access to your phone. > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: Phone Scam Makes all kinds of sense on a PBX: Press 9 for an outside line (very common) zero for an operator (keeps the line active when you hang up) and pound on some systems is "executive" meaning it tells the switch to hurry up. So how does this work on my single line residential phone? -Boyd PS Another scam to be aware of (in a -business- environment) is folks who redirect calls through puerto rico. Because of it's political status most phone companies bill calls there in a trusting way, they assume you'll pay and no one breaks in to warn you your'e spending 5 dollars a minute. Because it is not a state it's possible for people there to run 900 number setups with other numbers. If you get email telling you to call a number for the business opportunity of a life (believable patter follows) skip it. Particularly if the number includes 011 (overseas trunk) or 9 (see above). Ya want a business opportunity, check the classifieds. If your company has a PBX the administrator can probably rattle off half a dozen little scams like this, you might encourage them to send summaries with warnings in email. Local sources are better. At 9:23 AM -0700 10/20/98, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. > >Regards, Skip. > >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Boyd Subject: Re: Phone Scam Makes all kinds of sense on a PBX: Press 9 for an outside line (very common) zero for an operator (keeps the line active when you hang up) and pound on some systems is "executive" meaning it tells the switch to hurry up. So how does this work on my single line residential phone? -Boyd PS Another scam to be aware of (in a -business- environment) is folks who redirect calls through puerto rico. Because of it's political status most phone companies bill calls there in a trusting way, they assume you'll pay and no one breaks in to warn you your'e spending 5 dollars a minute. Because it is not a state it's possible for people there to run 900 number setups with other numbers. If you get email telling you to call a number for the business opportunity of a life (believable patter follows) skip it. Particularly if the number includes 011 (overseas trunk) or 9 (see above). Ya want a business opportunity, check the classifieds. If your company has a PBX the administrator can probably rattle off half a dozen little scams like this, you might encourage them to send summaries with warnings in email. Local sources are better. At 9:23 AM -0700 10/20/98, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. > >Regards, Skip. > >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 14:52:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: GOVT SHOULD INVESTIGATE BAILOUT (fwd) On Oct 20, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] October 14, 1998 by: Phyllis Schlafly At the same time that Bill Clinton and his economic aides are demanding billions more for the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Federal Reserve arranged for a $3.65 billion bailout of its friends in an investment group running a "hedge fund" in Connecticut. The Republican Congress should demand the details about this bailout and get the answers to some tough questions. The failed investments were managed under the name Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM) even though its most of its investments were extremely short term. It has operated in near total secrecy since its founding a few years ago, and the bailout has been shrouded in secrecy. Its most prominent partner is the former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, David W. Mullins Jr. Its investors include top executives at the leading investment banks, including Merrill Lynch, as well as powerful foreign banks. Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin's former employer, Goldman Sachs, has a significant ownership stake. At its peak, LTCM controlled contracts involving $160 billion. It placed large short-term bets on securities issued by foreign governments. Unless Congress investigates what this fund was really doing, the public may never learn the full extent of the scandal. The Hong Kong government has blamed hedge funds like LTCM for disrupting its capital markets, and is currently trying to trace the money flows into and out of its markets. What is known is that the Federal Reserve inexplicably arranged a multi-billion (that's billion) dollar bailout of LTCM without any public scrutiny. The softball questions asked of Alan Greenspan at the recent Congressional hearing revealed almost nothing about the reasons for LCTM's collapse or details about the bailout. Greenspan cryptically testified that "substantial damage could have been inflicted on many market participants, including some not directly involved with the firm, and could have potentially impaired the economies of many nations, including our own." He compared the LTCM bailout to the intervention by J.P. Morgan in the Panic of 1907, a disturbing comparison since most economists now admit that bad monetary policies were the leading cause of the Great Depression. Since Greenspan asserted that LTCM was so-o-o important to the U.S. economy, the public has a right to know what is going on. The Fed can't have it both ways by arguing that LTCM is so vital that the Fed had to intervene, but that the public can be kept in the dark. Greenspan's testimony was self-contradictory, which is an additional reason why Congress should investigate further. Greenspan testified that LTCM pursued "a strategy that was destined to fail," and yet the bailout perpetuates that same strategy. Greenspan also testified that it was regrettable that the LTCM partners were allowed to retain a small stake in the reorganized fund. Yet the bailout was designed to achieve precisely that result. The same day that the Federal Reserve intervened, there was a pending private offer made by a group led by Warren Buffett, which would have provided $3.75 billion to fund LTCM, and another $250 million to buy out the interests of the current LTCM investors. This exceeded the funds provided in the Fed-arranged bailout, but the current investors would have lost 95 percent of their investments. Instead, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York intervened and presented an offer that was far more advantageous to the LCTM management, but less good for the American public. LTCM's personal investors received $405 million for their interests, which was $155 million more than the private offer, plus a guarantee that an additional $3.65 billion would remain in LTCM for three years. That's not all. Under the private Buffett offer, the LTCM investors would have been cut off from future recoupment of their investment. Under the Fed plan, the failed management will be kept in place indefinitely and the LTCM investors will likely be able o recoup an additional hundreds of millions of dollars. So far, the Federal Reserve is saying that no taxpayer funds are involved in this enormous bailout. But how can we be sure when the details of the deal remain secret? At a minimum, the involvement by Federal Reserve fficials used > government power, and taxpayers bear the risk of large losses at the > banks used by the Fed to finance the bailout. The principal cost to the taxpayer may turn out to be in the form of guarantees, which can be just as costly as actual dollars, as the S&L collapse proved. The real risk to the American public is this secret ambling by the Federal Reserve with our economy. The Fed's derailing of a private purchase of LTCM in order to advantage its politically well- connected friends is both an outrage and an endangerment of our country's economic well-being. At a recent high-dollar fundraiser, Bill Clinton eclared that more taxpayer funds for the IMF are essential to American prosperity. "That's a big issue" in the upcoming elections, he warned. A big issue, indeed. If the Republican Congress would do its job and uncover why LTCM collapsed and why the Federal Reserve arranged its bailout, then the voters can make sure that powerful men behind closed doors don't gamble with our prosperity. Phyllis Schlafly column 10-14-98 - ------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 - ------------------------------------------------- - -------------- To subscribe to Eagle E-mail please e-mail eagle@eagleforum.org with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line - ------------------------------------------------- - ---- Rose Bowen bowenten@swva.net Need a web presence at an affordable cost? 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