From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #197 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 197 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Jack@minerva.com wrote: >I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on >virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw >the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third world >alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing >to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans have become Wait a minute here. "white US citizen" and "third world alien filth"? I think that you are letting a little too much of your mental interior leak out and its not pretty. What about black, hispanic, etc. U.S. citizens? I thought this group was Restore Our Constitution, not Rant and Rave about Alien Filth. If you don't like the WTO or the IMF or the UN that is one thing, but slamming the learning disabled as being brain dead is really reprehensible. I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't have a word to say about any racial group. Some of the people from the third world are struggling mightily to arrive here and prosper because this country still has a reputation for a free market system that works and a legal system that struggles to allow any race have a shot at succeeding. >by destroying the US while building up and financing every possible international >organization: UN / IMF / NATO / WORLD BANK / WTO. The have been devoted to the >priciple of destroying our education system by maintaing the accursed department >of educaition and the ultimate in FILTH ...the concept that all will be taught >the same.....the disgusting leaning disabled which are forced into mainstream >class rooms so none can learn / the brain dead third world trash ....as well >as the few remaining Whites and Asians that pay all the taxes and support all >these parasites....they are all going to be taught NOTHING so they can be taught >the same. > "brain dead third world trash"? "all these parasites"? I think you need to get a check up from the neck up. You've suddenly started spewing racist trash all over this mailing list. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:25:40 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) > > www.FreeRepublic.com > > > > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? > > Seems pretty simple to me in retrospect. Newt/Lott's "clever and sophisticated" tactical (vs principled) leadership assumed that this election would be a national referendum on Clinton. It might have been that if Newt/Lott were better politicians, but they assumed Clinton and the Democrats would take it lying down. They didn't. Being far better and less scrupulous than themselves, the Democrats bombarded the public with half-truths and lies and turned the election into a well-deserved referendum on Newt and his leadership. Most pundits said the Dems were going to run against Newt, but the Republicans among them said it didn't work in 96 and it wouldn't work in 98 either. They were wrong. When the voters were bombarded with all the lies that the Dems could dream up (whether plausible or not), it worked beautifully - a real idictment of the intelligence of the American electorate. Deserved or not, Newt has become more hazardous to the Repub party's future than Bill Clinton is to the Dem party's, all because Newt lacks the Clinton charm, charisma and teflon coating. It is far more urgent to the conservative cause in 2000 that Newt step down. Clinton won't be around to run against. If Newt is, the Repubs lose big time. Now what's the chances that Newt will step down? About the same as the chances Clinton will resign. Zip. Nada. Both are power-hungry and self-serving. So it's gonna take a grassroots "dump Newt" movement, and while we're at it, all of his familiar lieutenants. No one would be fooled by Newt stepping down and Armey or DeLay taking over. Newt would still be seen as the puppeteer. And also while we're at it, spineless Trent Lott needs to go, and Mitch McConnell too for sacrificing Linda Smith because she had the gaul to support campaign finance reform. Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) >> > >> > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? >> > > >Seems pretty simple to me in retrospect. > >Newt/Lott's "clever and sophisticated" tactical (vs principled) >leadership assumed that this election would be a national referendum >on Clinton. > Another take on this is that the polls were right, or the "people" were/are dumb enough to belive that it is "about time that we put these scandals behind us and got on with the people's business". The people's business being: "fix" Social Security and educate the children. Never mind that the Feds don't contribute squat to educating children. Never mind that ordinary middle-class Americans (like me) are paying 50% marginal tax rates. I think that the good times are rolling on, people want them to continue to roll on, and the same thing that is driving the stock market is driving the electorate. "things are good, don't rock the boat" "its just about sex" "the stock market is always going to go up" Here's a quote from a popular stock market analysis site: "Remember when the S&P was at 920 and everything we saw looked bad?" Altman said. "Well, now we have the opposite effect. People look around and want to buy everything. A 25% market rally in two weeks is insane. This is not a healthy environment. These markets are no longer driven by reality -- they're driven by supply and demand. The market will ultimately be okay but we're way overdone, we've gotten the riff-raff out." My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the media is blatently liberally biased. All they care about is: Let the good times roll. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:33:06 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) John Curtis wrote: > My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no > morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back > up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the > media is blatently liberally biased. > > All they care about is: Let the good times roll. > > ciao, > > jcurtis Point well taken. Why should congress care about principles when the people don't? They are supposed to be a reflection of us, and too few ask or care where it leads us as a nation or society. However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) > >However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership >for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is >is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. > >skip. > I agree. I'm very disapointed in the whole conservative leadership, they are basically self-destructing, they can't articulate the very solid and intellectually impeccable arguments for less government, lower taxes, less government generated dependency, etc. I'd just like to see a top Federal tax bracket like we had under Reagan - 28%. Its a compromise, it isn't perfect, but its a lot better than what we've got. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:52:09 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) At 13:19 11/04/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Jack@minerva.com wrote: > >>I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on >>virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw >>the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third world >>alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing >>to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans have become > Wait a minute here. "white US citizen" and > "third world alien filth"? > > I think that you are letting a little too much of your > mental interior leak out and its not pretty. > > What about black, hispanic, etc. U.S. citizens? > > I thought this group was Restore Our Constitution, not > Rant and Rave about Alien Filth. And where in the constitution does is say that White Tax payers have to be punished every time another bit of third world trash gets into the country. Since all that happens is that our taxes for ever go up and the third world trash gets all the benefits.... or can you think of a single benefit in exchange for being punished with higher taxes so all this alien filth can have all the children they want and everyone but the parents has to pay for them? Can you think of a single benefit to the tax payers of having to endure the insult of always having less spent per student for White and Asian students with smaller libraries / no drama / no art / no gymnastics / ETC while much more is spent per student on the alien parasites since they are simply too supid to try to educate in the first place ......and thus need all this expensive counseling / bilingual education /ECT. If we are going to have all this accursed equality the place to start is with school spending and if third world trash can not learn when given the same spending per student as intelligent Whites and Asians....just tell them the truth: They can study several extra hours a day or be total failures....and no one really cares one way or the other. Just where in the constitution is the authority to tax citizens to give benefits to a lot of foreign invaders? I thought the principle goal of prop 187 was to firmly state that Aliens were to have no benefits at all...and the Republicans instead of impeaching the accursed Supreme court judges who thought Aliens were entitled to everything a Citizen is had / are having this love affair with Latinos and all Whites and Asians get is ever higher taxes. But where in the constitution does it say that Citizens have to be punished by being taxed to provide an education for the children of illegal aliens.....one would think if they are here illegally the only right they should have is deportation ...and even that hopefully at their expense One would think the one right the constitution would protect would be to spend the money you earn without having it all taxed away / stolen to allow all this third world trash to exist. Where in the constitution is the authority to tax / destroy productive people so lazy / stupid / entitled filth can collect welfare. You sound much more like what you want to protect is the communist manifesto instead of the US constitution. Here all along I thought the US constitution was about freedom and not being forced into slavery as half your income is taxed away so all this minority filth can be entitled.....just like the English Nobility was entitled at the time of the first revolution And as long as they are so unproductive that they can not exist without welfare / medical services / education for their uneducatable brats paid for by others why should they exist at all > If you don't like the WTO or the IMF or the UN that is one > thing, but slamming the learning disabled as being brain dead > is really reprehensible. Why? It is a competitive world and if they can not be taught and heaven knows there is no evidence that any of them are ever taught anything then why do they rest of us have to earn far above a world competitive wage so vast amounts can be taxed away to be wasted on trying to teach the learning disabled. For the most part one might as well take stacks of hundred dollar bills and burn them and get just as much value as trying to teach the mentally retarded anything....and furthermore even if they can be taught at infinite expense it makes no difference if the amount of tax revenue they will return over their lifetimes is much less than what it cost to educate them. Would you advocate that people spend 100K with some education scam that promises good high paying jobs when all is said and done the total expected increase in lifetime earnings will be at best 20K....and if not how can you possibly defend this nonsense of spending 5K a year on intelligent kids and 25K a year on mentally defective trash. I am sorry you are so divorced from reality that you find the term trash so offensive....but since I only it use for people who are complete liabilities to all those around them why do you find it so offensive. If people are so incompetent / non-functional that they can only exist by stealing what others produce / earn.....why is not trash a perfectly good term. No one can look at people existing on welfare as assets. > > I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't > have a word to say about any racial group. Some of the people from > the third world are struggling mightily to arrive here and > prosper because this country still has a reputation for a > free market system that works and a legal system that struggles to > allow any race have a shot at succeeding. How anyone can talk about a free market system in a country that supports affirmative action is beyond me. If there was a free market economy each and every employer could give any type of test he wanted to find the best possible employees instead of having to always take the worst possible / most unqualified employees because they are third world trash or get fined out of existence. Just how does affirmative action bear any relationship to a free market system. In case you had NOT noticed this third world trash is very close to utterly destroying California. When they released the test scores for the same tests given all across California the average grade in LA county for reading was at the 32nd percentile and for math at the 26th percentile. And this was when all the high scores for the Whites and Asians had been put in the mix. So, all this stupid third world trash had achieved something something truly remarkable: Their test scores were so HORRIBLE that they managed to pull the entire average down to the 32nd percentile. In a competitive world one imagines that to get a job one needs to be at least at the 60th percentile and yet judging by school grades over half of LA county is so dumb they will have to be on welfare all their lives. But if over half of a group of people turning from brats to adults is so incompetent that only welfare will allow them to exist.....WHO IS LEFT TO BE TAXED TO SUPPORT ALL THIS ACCURSED WELFARE CONSUMING TRASH And we also have to remember that thanks to all this third world trash 25 percent of Los Angeles County is on Welfare....that is one in four. A couple of weeks ago the LA TIMES published an interview with lots of various firms that showed that one sixth of all employers in California were thinking of moving to other states due to the utter impossiblity of finding skilled workers....but how would anyone.....except perhaps for brain dead liberals ever expect to find skilled workers when over half the students have reading and math scores below the 32nd percentile. Another example of Gresham's law: THE BAD ALWAYS DRIVES OUT THE GOOD Why not wake up and smell the coffee and notice the horrible damage this third world trash is doing to this country with their never ending production of children that everyone but the parents has to support as well as the total destruction of the once marvelous California schools by filling them full of people who have IQs so low they do not even compete well with our cats and dogs > >>by destroying the US while building up and financing every possible international >>organization: UN / IMF / NATO / WORLD BANK / WTO. The have been devoted to the >>priciple of destroying our education system by maintaing the accursed department >>of educaition and the ultimate in FILTH ...the concept that all will be taught >>the same.....the disgusting leaning disabled which are forced into mainstream >>class rooms so none can learn / the brain dead third world trash ....as well >>as the few remaining Whites and Asians that pay all the taxes and support all >>these parasites....they are all going to be taught NOTHING so they can be taught >>the same. >> > > "brain dead third world trash"? > > "all these parasites"? > > I think you need to get a check up from the neck up. > > You've suddenly started spewing racist trash all over this > mailing list. > > ciao, > > jcurtis > > > > >- > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 98 14:04:55 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Not to mention an out of this world, "space case". Up here in Washatonia, they're calling it, "The Metamucil(sp?) Mission". Shades of Donovan's, "Intergalactic Laxative". If sh*ting is your problem, way out there in the stars, the Intergalactic Laxative will getcha from here to Mars!.....:-) On Nov 04, Tom Cloyes wrote: >At least he is out of the Senate! >Tom > >At 11:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: >> >>[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >>When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. >> >>Pass it on. >> >>Tom Walls >>Gainesville, Fla >> >>[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 98 15:36:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) On Nov 04, Skip Leuschner wrote: >John Curtis wrote: > >> My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no >> morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back >> up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the >> media is blatently liberally biased. >> >> All they care about is: Let the good times roll. >> >> ciao, >> >> jcurtis > >Point well taken. Why should congress care about principles >when the people don't? They are supposed to be a reflection >of us, and too few ask or care where it leads us as a nation >or society. > >However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership >for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is >is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. > >skip. No, they aren't supposed to be a reflection of us, they're supposed to be the cream of the crop, i.e., the best of us. Obviously, in most cases, they aren't. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:59:05 -0700 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Yeah, when he was in the Senate, HE wore the ape suit. At 07:26 AM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >At least he is out of the Senate! >Tom > >At 11:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: >> >>[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >>When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. >> >>Pass it on. >> >>Tom Walls >>Gainesville, Fla >> >>[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] >> >>-- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >>An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >>weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >>hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >>on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >> >>- >> > >- > > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:01:43 -0700 From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) At 09:27 AM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > www.FreeRepublic.com > > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? > > OWK > 11/4/98 One who knows... > > What happened yesterday..?? What went wrong..?? This isnt a difficult > question to answer. Anyone willing to look at the situation with even > the slightest hint of objectivity can tell you. The GOP has lost its > manhood. The GOP has been clammoring to be more and more "moderate" and abandoning conservatives for years. (Try listing the world's great moderates.) This is just the beginning of what they will get for it. Bets on the Party Line being that they need to get FURTHER away from conservatives? > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:04:49 -0800 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) When are you folks going to learn that depending on the "least of two evils" is a losing strategy. Lots of you wasted your vote this time. I sent a clear message with every vote: Libertarian. I voted against every increase in government power, against every dollar in taxes, for every rollback in power or taxes. We Libertarians will soon have the margin of victory in a lot of races. Then things will begin to turn around. There will NEVER a return to Freedom if we depend on the Republicans. Republicans - the second party of government. Lew - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:32:37 -0800 From: Steve Silver Subject: GunTruths adds Newsletter page GunTruths.Com has added a "newsletter page" to its site. If your organization publishes a firearms-related or freedom-related newsletter, please send us the following information and we will gladly include a reference: 1) name, 2) name of organization 3) frequency of publication, 4) cost of subscription, 5) mailing address 6) telephone number, 7) URL. Also, if possible, send us a .gif or .gpg file depicting the front page of your newsletter. (Alternatively, you can mail a copy of the newsletter to me, care of the address shown in the signature block below). Please also remember to send us info re: any firearms-related events in your area, and check out our site. The URL is: http://www.guntruths.com/ Thank you, Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: http://www.guntruths.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:22:30 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Lew Glendenning wrote: > > When are you folks going to learn that depending on the "least of two evils" > is a losing strategy. > > Lots of you wasted your vote this time. > [etc] I could only vote for what was on my ballot, Lew, and there weren't any "Ls" there, only "Ds" and "Rs". Might have stayed home I guess, but then I'd forfeit the right to bitch. Skip - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: wbg Subject: Re: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Lew Glendenning wrote: [snip] > Republicans - the second party of government. Too bloody right, mate. And now Hyde says they're dialing down the impeachment inquiry and will dispose of it by Thanksgiving. Could it be that there are too many Republicans who might be caught up in the China-donations net? Hmmmm....? WRT to elected federal officeholders, you are right - it's getting increasingly difficult, with just a few exceptions, to tell the difference between a D and an R. About the only real difference remaining is that overall, the Ds are more skillful at campaign lying and stealing elections. Once again I am completely revulsed by the malleability and complete, utter gullibility of the typical American voter. Brewster - -- ************************************************************************* " Why is history important? Without history, many people have no idea how many of today's half-baked ideas have been tried, again and again - and have repeatedly led to disaster. Most of these ideas are not new. They are just being recycled with re-treaded rhetoric. " Thomas Sowell ************************************************************************* W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA *********************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Jack, I'm a conservative, a laissez-faire capitalist with strong libertarian leanings. You are taking legitimate political issues and couching them in the 2nd or 3rd most racist language I have ever heard on the net. > > >And we also have to remember that thanks to all this third world trash >25 percent of Los Angeles County is on Welfare....that is one in four. > Why don't you leave the "third world trash" out of it. The problem is that LA County has a welfare system so generous that it attracts a large population of people just seeking benefits. Thats a real problem. CA isn't any different than NY in some respects, its a state that has some very competitive industries and a lot of other industries that are being strangled by tax and governance policies. Your racist talk doesn't make you look good (or even very smart) from where I am sitting. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: snippet from Drudge My interpretation of this is: Hyde is going to schedule a vote, Starr is going to testify, vote is going to go 100% D's for no-impeach, enough R's vote "their conscience" to vote no-impeach. Peace with Honor. ciao, jcurtis FLASH: IMPEACHMENT VOTE BEFORE THANKSGIVING; HYDE PLANS TO CALL ONLY STARR House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde is telling Republicans Wednesday that he's planning to call only Independent Counsel Ken Starr to testify during impeachment hearings -- hearings that will end with a vote by Thanksgiving! MORE X X X X Hyde, according to Thursday's WASHINGTON POST, assured GOP colleagues that Starr would be an impressive witness, comparing Democrats, who have been publicly saying they want a chance at Starr, "to a dog who chases a car without figuring out 'what happens when you catch it.'" The Hyde development hit Washington media circles late Wednesday and came after a day of impeachment confusion. Even tough guy Cal Thomas writes in an upcoming column: "Republicans should abandon their strategy to 'get' Bill Clinton. It hasn't worked and, barring some unlikely discovery by the House Judiciary Committee, Clinton is going to finish his second term." X X X X X - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Ferris Subject: OT: A Letter to My Father (fwd) November 5, 1998 Dear Dad, Over five years have passed since you lost your year long battle with a virulent form of cancer which finally caused to you suffer a fatal cardiac arrest. Time is supposed to heal one's sense of loss when a loved one dies, but my heart still aches as much as it did on the day in late June of June 1993 when I helped to carefully fold the U.S. Flag which graced your casket. The simple granite stone which marks your resting place shows your last held U.S. Army rank of Lieutenant Colonel, your branch as Field Artillery (I know, I know: "King of Battle" ), your service in World War II, and your receipt of the Bronze Star Medal for valorous action during the Battle of the Bulge and during the First Army's final assault into Germany during early 1945. Dad, although I talk to you often in search of advice and counsel, it has been a while since I have dared to bring you up to date on the political state of affairs in this nation that you loved so much and for which your younger brother Geoffrey gave his life in combat on a remote hillside in Tunisia, North Africa on May 6, 1943. (Do not worry, I am still taking excellent care of Uncle Geoff's Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, and Purple Heart. They reside right next to your own Bronze Star Medal.) Back to the political scene, which you may not be able to make out through the thick cumulus clouds of media, White House, DNC and RNC spinning, dense clouds which often blot out the shining sun of truth and reality. What else can I tell you, Dad? It's bad. Probably worse than you could ever imagine. I need not go into the gory details of President Clinton's multiple scandals and recurring pattern of lying to his family, to his colleagues and to all other Americans, to remind you that a contemptible, dishonorable rogue who lacks a moral compass is dragging the greatest nation on Earth down a path towards political and cultural irrelevance. And, get this, Americans are buying into this power-crazed President's and his Democrat sycophants' balkanizing of the U.S.A.! Dad, you, who first taught me in my formative years to treat all people with equal respect and to be color-blind because it was morally correct (and not trendy), will be disgusted to learn of the scorched earth race-baiting campaign waged by President Clinton and his Democrats in a brazen effort to inflame racial division and to encourage separation by ethnic background. (Yes, I am referring to the U.S.A., and not to Yugoslavia!) Even more shocking is the state of paralysis and the clear ineptitude existent within the RNC to which you contributed funds so faithfully in the years before your death. Dad, "perfect hair Republicans" have come to stand for nothing when they should stand for principles! They have allowed the charlatan masquerading as the President of the United States to huddle with his freedom-fearing, amoral White House freshmen frat brother wonks and to smirk with glee as they strive to make a total mockery of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and as they use a cheap NAFTA tool set imported from Mexico to dismantle liberty and freedom, piece by piece. Newt Gingrich, Jim Nicholson and Trent Lott have wiffled and waffled and weebled and wobbled and smiled during the past year as the Democrats' "For The Children" crew have ridden circles around them on their Big Wheel tricycles. It has been Custer's Last Stand with the clueless Republicans watching with terror and disbelief as the hooting Democrats have circled the Republican 7th Cavalry and shot politically correct arrows into the rear ends of cowering RINO troopers. The posteriors of Messrs. Gingrich, Lott and Nicholson now resemble pin cushions, very well ventilated pin cushions. What a pathetic sight. What a Barnum & Bailey circus. What a sad time in the history of a truly great nation. Our Republican "leaders" have not acted with the courage that you and your fellow soldiers showed when you stormed across France and Belgium in 1944 to stall Hitler's war machine. Gingrich, Lott and Nicholson did not get their feet wet at a political Omaha Beach. Heck, they did not not even board a ship, figurative rifles in hand, to traverse a channel to confront the Democrat "enemy." And make no mistake about it, Dad, the Democrats have proven that they are the "enemy" and any fool knows that sipping tea with them, Neville Chamberlain-style, will slowly lead to the utter destruction of the precious legacy (our Republic) left to us by our wise Founding Fathers in the late 18th century. So, Dad, we're in a bit of a mess down here. I realize that Democrats in heaven probably control all movement of Republicans residing there and may be working hard to convince God to impose a speech code which would muzzle those of you who would dare to tell the truth about what you might see happening on terra firma, way down below. Please send me a message that a departed member of the professional wrestling circuit of the 1960's won an election in heaven and is about to gently twist any control freak deceased Democrats (who are annoying you and other deceased real Republicans) into the shape of angelic pretzels! Let me know that Democrats in heaven are on the ropes! Let me know that somewhere way up above, truth, honor and character still matter, and that God places a premium on honesty and integrity. Let me know that "Impeach Clinton" shirts are worn with pride by you and your pals as you play golf and talk of times when the U.S.A. was governed by men of integrity whose fitness to lead had been forged as they faced death during wartime while defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Alas, now we are governed by selfish, craven men and women molded by the likes of Messrs. James Carville and Dick Morris. As they say in the great state of Texas, "Yee haw", NOT! Well, Dad, that's the sitrep for now. We freedom lovers have formed a tight 360 and have placed our best political troops out on LP/OPs to warn of impending threats to our perimeter by advancing Democrat forces. At times, in the Press of the Crossfire, it's hard to tell any difference between Democrats and Republicans. They look and sound the same when they spin around in circles just outside our position. We are trying hard to remain hopeful in the wake of the recent election, and we are determined not to give way on any principles which America's brave veterans have died to protect over the past two hundred plus years. Know we will never surrender this hallowed ground on which we stand to the Clintonistas, even if Republican quislings beyond the wire urge us to engage in "bi-partisan compromise." No chance, Dad. We will never run up the white flag. Never. Never. Never. No matter what happens. We will defend the return of a moral center to our society and we will shelter sacred freedom from the shredding winds of the shrieking, whining Democrat hurricane until, some day soon, all Americans will once again be proud to differentiate between right and wrong and will point to an honorable President and say, "Now, there's the LEADER of our nation, and wherever he leads, we will follow, with pride!" Take care, Dad, and rest easily until we meet again. I have to go now, it's my turn "on watch", and the Democrats are reportedly crawling towards the wire with Corporal Cueball Carville urging them on. Hey, Dad, political war, i.e., protecting individual liberty from "pass another law" Democrats by means of peaceful, effective grassroots advocacy, is Hell. And if our political Hell ever freezes over, we will confront the Democrats on the ice. And we will win, in spite of the "perfect hair Republicans" who may soon be relegated to driving the Zamboni machine between periods to keep our political Hell's ice as smooth as spin doctor-created talking point papers. Love from your devoted son, Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 22:00:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NAFTA and MAI maybe scrapped by Canada (fwd) On Nov 5, Greg Krawchuk wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NAFTA and MAI maybe scrapped by Canada if David Orchard wins the Leadership race for a Federal political party in Canada. For the most part there is a BLACKOUT by the mainstream media BY not to reporting this significant development. BUT THE WORD IS GETTING OUT AND IT IS SCARING THE ESTABLISHMENT. PLEASE NOTIFY ALL MEDIA OUTLETS. IF YOU AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE THE NAFTA AND MAI DEAL, HERE IS A CHANCE TO THROW A WRENCH INTO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. NOW THINK ABOUT THIS, THE POPULATION OF CANADA COULD FIT INTO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. LETS SAY IF YOU COULD DESTROY THE FREE TRADE DEAL BY CONVINCING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO OPPOSE IT. WELL THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE. DAVID ORCHARD IS IN A 2 WAY POLITICAL LEADERSHIP RACE WITH THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA, JOE CLARK. AND GET THIS, JOE CLARK IS REFUSING TO DEBATE WITH HIM. THIS IS HOW SCARED THE ESTABLISHMENT IS. FOLKS NEVER HAS ANYTHING BEEN SO OBVIOUS SINCE THE ASSANINATION OF JFK! PLEASE PEOPLE, PHONE THE MEDIA AND FORCE A DEBATE SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF CANADA CAN LEARN AT WHATS GOING ON HERE. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW. THE MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING THE PARTICULARS. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO SETTING BACK THE NEW WORLD ORDER. IF YOU KNOW ANY CANADIANS OR MEDIA SHOWS LIKE ART BELL THAT IS BROADCAST INTO CANADA YOU WILL DO MUCH IN EDUCATING CANADIANS TO GET BEHIND DAVID ORCHARD. THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH THOUSANDS HAVE JOINED THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVITIVE PARTY BECAUSE OF DAVID ORCHARD. AS A SIDE NOTE IF HE WERE TO GROW A BEARD HE WOULD LOOK LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND HE TALKS LIKE HIM ALSO. FORCE THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY TO HAVE A LEADERSHIP DEBATE, THE VOTE IS TO HAPPEN ON NOVEMBER 14, 1998. CIRCULATE THIS WIDELY. HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY DAVID ORCHARD Son of NAFTA: the Multilateral Agreement on Investment by David Orchard Amid a deafening political silence, successor agreement to NAFTA, the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI), is being negotiated in Paris by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The leaked 140 page draft states that each nation must treat foreign corporations at least as favourably as domestic companies (national treatment). No country "may impose, enforce or maintain" any requirement on a foreign-owned corporation to purchase any domestic goods or services, to achieve any level of domestic content or ownership, to hire anyone locally or, indeed, to achieve any level of employment, investment, research or development in, or transfer any technology or knowledge to, the host country. Each country, however, "shall ensure" that all returns, capital, proceeds or profits may be freely transferred "in and out of any territory without delay ... in a freely convertible currency." Although citizens and their governments are prohibited from placing requirements on foreign corporations, taxpayers of each country are required to provide "full and constant protection and security" to foreign investors and their investments. Crown corporations, referred to as "government monopolies," must act "solely in accordance with commercial considerations." A section called "Investor - State Procedures" gives foreign corporations the right to sue national governments for any measure which "causes or is likely to cause loss or damage to an investor or his investment" or even for "a lost opportunity to profit from a planned investment." "Standstill" and "rollback" proposals would prohibit a country from passing any new laws which do not conform with the MAI, and require all existing non-conforming laws of each country to be listed in an annex. "Rollback" is described as -the liberalization process by which the reduction and eventual elimination of all non-conforming measures to the MAI will take place. It is a dynamic element linked with standstill which...would produce a 'ratchet effect' where any new liberalization processes would be 'locked in' so they could not be rescinded or nullified over time." Possible ways to achieve rollback include a phaseout or "sunset" clauses on all "non-conforming measures" and then "periodic examination of non-conforming measures" leading to "removal or limitation." Regulations limiting foreign ownership of Canada's banks, media, farmland, airlines, the existence of medicare, public education, the Canadian Wheat Board and the CBC are all "non-conforming measures," subject to "phaseout." This agreement grants foreign investors greater rights by law than Canadian citizens. It means elected governments in Canada agree in advance to place the interests of foreign investors first regardless of the will of the population, as expressed in elections or any other way. The implications for democracy, the environment, employment, human dignity and national sovereignty, are profound. Canada has already given these rights to U.S. corporations under (NA)FTA, triggering a drastic increase in American control of all aspects of our economy and society. MAI extends the investment chapter of NAFTA to give the same rights to corporations from all 29 OECD other countries. Under NAFTA Canada can at any time give six months' notice and withdraw from the agreement without penalty. The terms of the MAI, however, lock in for twenty years. In the 1993 election, the Liberals promised to renegotiate or cancel both the FTA and NAFTA, which they had opposed since 1988. They did neither. Today virtually all government and corporate decisions are being driven by, and made compatible with, (NA)FTA. The undermining of Canada's health care system is a direct result of FTA rights given to private U.S. health corporations. Likewise, (NA)FTA has led to the unprecedented stripping of our precious non-renewable resources, accelerated environmental destruction and an assault on our national infrastructure. Before the FTA, Canada's unemployment level was equal to that in the U.S. Now it is twice the U.S. rate, with no improvement in sight. Yet no major political party is calling for Canada's withdrawal from NAFTA. (Reform, the Conservatives and the Bloc support the Liberals on MAI, as they do on (NA)FTA. The NDP now accepts NAFTA but opposes MAI- thus condoning U.S. control of Canada but not corporate control from other countries.) Back in the 1980's, when the U.S. couldn't impose its will on GATT, the world trade body, it pursued bilateral agreements - with Israel first, then Canada, where in 1988, a compliant Brian Mulroney signed the Canada- U.S. FTA. The FTA, now expanded to NAFTA, is the precedent the U.S. is using as a sledge-hammer to obtain those rights for its corporations, first in the rich OECD countries and then worldwide. Third World countries are already being threatened with trade action for refusing to go along with the agreement which, in the words of Bhagirath Lal Das, India's former negotiator to GATT, "will give foreign investors total rights without responsibilities." By allowing itself to be used as a patsy in these so called free trade agreements, Canada gives U.S. corporate demands a legitimacy and force around the world they could not otherwise achieve. Instead of extending NAFTA, Canada must withdraw from it before the border below us is erased along with four centuries of our history - and build a domestically controlled economy as other successful nations have done. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #197 *************************