From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #209 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 209 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:53:22 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: EIA Communique - 1/11 (fwd) On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:32 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: > > > Putting Mumia and capital punishment aside, what are we to make of Mandel= > 's > statement? What are the consequences of teaching black children they need= > to > know more about prison than white children? And what racial message does = > that > send to white children? On one coast a teacher receives death threats for > reading from a children's book called "Nappy Hair," and on the other coas= > t > some teachers want to teach African-American children they have a one in = > four > chance to go to prison. Which is more harmful? Perhaps, that would be more tactfully put to the brats as telling them that they have a choice to learn how reading and algebra work....or how prisons work. One also feels that telling / teaching the truth is the best way....even if upsets some Jack - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:30:08 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: EIA Communique - 1/11 (fwd) On Wednesday, January 13, Jack Perrine wrote: >On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:32 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: >> On Jan 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: >> >> >> Putting Mumia and capital punishment aside, what are we to make of Mandel= >> 's >> statement? What are the consequences of teaching black children they need= >> to >> know more about prison than white children? And what racial message does = >> that >> send to white children? On one coast a teacher receives death threats for >> reading from a children's book called "Nappy Hair," and on the other coas= >> t >> some teachers want to teach African-American children they have a one in = >> four >> chance to go to prison. Which is more harmful? > >Perhaps, that would be more tactfully put to the brats as telling them that >they have a choice to learn how reading and algebra work....or how prisons >work. One also feels that telling / teaching the truth is the best way....even >if upsets some > >Jack People get upset and "feel" bad because they cannot agree on how they "feel about" education. In fact, they can't even discuss education except in terms of how people "feel". How people think, how they reason, isn't even considered. One camp "feels" that education should socialize the young within an existing culture and offer them the basic means to succeed in that culture. This is basically the classical conservative position. The other camp "feels" that education should give the young the means to challenge and overthrow the existing culture, presumably in order to achieve a better life. This is basically the classical liberal position. Considered rationally, these points of view are not necessarily incompatible or opposed to one another, and Roger Shattuck succinctly explains why: "We can reasonably expect a liberal education in our colleges and universities to serve two principal functions. The first is to present the historic basis of our complex culture and the political and moral standards it has evolved. The second is to offer students the intellectual basis for an evaluation of that culture, its ideals and realities. The first explains and even justifies the status quo. The second questions it. Both are essential in a democracy. Those two functions can take place together, almost simultaneously, thanks in great part to a collection of written works that founds our Western tradition and challenges it. In this respect the dialogue form in Plato, Montaigne's essays and Dostoevsky's narratives are similar. They do not pronounce: They probe and reflect. The shared reading of such foundational works gives us a basis for finding the principles and "values" by which we can live together as one country and one culture containing many parts and divisions, many classes and races." Roger Shattuck - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4942/Shatuck1.html Though Shattuck's remarks apply to colleges, the expectations should hold nevertheless right on down to the beginning of formal schooling for a child. What passes for education now has become so politicized, so linked to agendas, that most young people in the public school system are having their heads filled with mush amounting to little more than propaganda. And when you get right down to it, one variety of mush is about the same as another, whether it is mush about prisons, or mush about reading and algebra. The people teaching the kids can do little else: their heads are full of mush, too. - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:15:26 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Liberty Web pages you need to visit: http://www.judicialwatch.org http://www.worldnetdaily.com http://www.newsmax.com http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.conservativenews.org http://www.reagan.com http://www.devvy.com http://www.velasquez.com http://www.stratfor.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 13:50:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Senatevote.com - communication resource (fwd) On Jan 15, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Don't know anything about the site - haven't visited it yet, but it sounds interesting... ==================================================================== ========= Senatevote.com Delivers Citizens' Messages Directly to Senate U.S. Newswire 15-JAN-99 WASHINGTON, Jan. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- SenateVote.com ( senatevote.com) launched Thursday as thousands of people logged on to the Internet to speak out to their senators on the first day of the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton. SenateVote.com was created as a forum for people to send their opinions on the impeachment trial to their senators. SenateVote.com collects messages that constituents post on their senators' pages, prints them, and then sends them directly to the senators' offices throughout the trial, ensuring that all opinions registered at the site get to their destination in the Senate. In addition, the site's content will be recorded and stored on CD-ROM to capture the state of the nation during this historic event, the first time an elected president has been impeached and tried. "This history-making trial comes at a time when the Internet and e-mail theoretically provide a unique opportunity for virtually all citizens to voice their opinion to their senators," said William "Sam" Sneed, spokesman for SenateVote.com. "Yet, many question what happens to the e-mails they take the time to write and send to their senators. Some question whether they are ever received. Most importantly, recent studies have documented that e-mail has the least impact upon a member of Congress." "SenateVote.com was created to provide citizens with a more effective voice in the Senate," said Sneed. Policy.com () and IntellectualCapital.com (), two of the Internet's leading nonpartisan political sites, created SenateVote.com to provide individuals with an alternative method to deliver their opinion to their senators and permanently record their opinions on this history-making event. In addition to collecting and delivering messages to the Senate, SenateVote.com serves as a resource for up-to-date news and information about the impeachment trial. Organizations with Web sites are encouraged to participate and provide their audience with a voice in the Senate by placing a SenateVote.com icon on their homepage that links to SenateVote.com. - ------ Editors: SenateVote.com can be found at Please contact Steve Gilman [steve(at)a2s2.com] or Amy d'Oliveira [amyd(at)a2s2.com] with questions at 202-737-4900. ==================================================================== ========= Bob Mueller - Consultant Compuware Corporation THE UNITED STATES TROTTING ASSOCIATION 614-224-2291 Ext. 3234 bmueller@ustrotting.com Get into Harness Racing at http://www.ustrotting.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:15:34 -0500 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Checkpoints for seat belt compliance? Papers please These guys are making themselves nice, stationary, convenient targets for some kook with a grudge against the "authorities". Wonder if they thought about that? Tom >Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:20:40 -0500 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Checkpoints for seat belt compliance? > >FRIDAY > JANUARY 15 > 1999=20 > > Checkpoints for=20 > seat belt compliance?=20 > Federal government=20 > spends millions on new plan=20 > > > By Jon E. Dougherty > =A9 1999 WorldNetDaily.com=20 > > The U.S. Department of Transportation is > spending millions of dollars to help states and > local police agencies establish random > checkpoints on the nation's highways solely for > the purpose of enforcing seat belt compliance.=20 > > DOT is calling the plan "High Visibility > Enforcement," and, according to information > posted on its Website, "High visibility > enforcement means using stepped up > enforcement, such as safety checkpoints or > other enforcement strategies, in coordination > with an earned or paid media campaign > supporting the enforcement effort.=20 > > "When people in the community understand > that law enforcement is serious about enforcing > occupant protection laws -- and actually > witness officers enforcing those laws -- they are > more likely to buckle up and buckle up their > children," DOT said.=20 > > The department has initiated a program called, > "Buckle Up, America," which encourages local > police agency use of checkpoints to gauge > compliance with state seat belt laws. DOT > literature repeatedly stresses the importance of > such measures "to ensure the safety of > children."=20 > > The provisions enabling funding for the > "Buckle Up, America" program are contained > within the Transportation Equity Act for the > 21st Century, signed into law by President > Clinton June 9, 1998. A total of $2.7 billion was > authorized for non-construction highway safety > programs, $500 million of which was budgeted > "for a new program of incentive grants to > encourage states to increase seat belt use rates" > through fiscal year 2003.=20 > > The DOT also encourages "Members of 'Buckle > Up, America' [to] help law enforcement in their > efforts to develop enforcement programs that > are both effective and visible. It might mean > assisting them with safety checkpoints, > promoting enforcement activities, or donating > merchandise or coupons that law enforcement > officers could distribute to properly buckled > occupants."=20 > > Liz Neblett, a public information officer with > the National Highway and Traffic Safety > Administration, said that members of the > "Buckle Up, America" program consisted of > local volunteers who help police administer > the program.=20 > > Asked what volunteers actually do to "assist > law enforcement personnel with safety > checkpoints," Neblett said, "Volunteers make > sure seat belts and child safety seats are > properly installed in your car." She said police > officers themselves were also able to provide > such assistance, but "sometimes it's easier to > get a volunteer" to do it.=20 > > Neblett also said that the "High Visibility > Enforcement" aspect of the Transportation > Equity Act was the primary aspect of enforcing > seat belt laws, but could not explain what > "other enforcement strategies" mentioned in > NHTSA literature actually meant.=20 > > "I'll have to get back to you on that," she told > WorldNetDaily. She did not.=20 > > Critics have questioned the legal validity of > such random enforcement measures in the > past. They say that without probable cause, > agencies and police departments violate basic > constitutional protections against illegal search > and seizure when they stop motorists they > otherwise would not suspect of being guilty of > any crime.=20 > > Others are merely skeptical of the Clinton > administration's ability to execute these kinds > of laws.=20 > > "One can't trust the Clinton administration to > administer any program in an efficient and/or > non-corrupt manner," said Tom Fitton, > president of Judicial Watch.=20 > > > > See Jon E. Dougherty's daily column. He may be > reached through E-mail at jon@usajournal.com. >--=20 >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group =20 > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 =20 > Grove City, OH 43123 =20 > > Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse =20 > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) =20 > =20 >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com =20 >****************************************************************** >=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 15:51:56 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dr. Mengele and the FDA (fwd) On Jan 17, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Today's Chicago Tribune front page had a story about FDA sanctioned medical experimentation (specifically the testing of a new drug from Baxter) on emergency room patients without their, or their family's, consent. It seems that in 1996, the Clinton's FDA changed the rules to allow drug companies to test drugs on people without the individuals knowing about it. Clinton's got to go..... See: http://chicagotribune.com/business/businessnews/article/0,1051,ART-21855,00.h tml (sorry if the URL wraps) Jim Zoes "The Founders provided impeachment to cope with the likes of Clinton, a president who, by recidivist lying without remorse, has fallen below the threshold of minimal truthfulness and has traduced political discourse. He cannot speak credibly on grave matters, such as war. He should go, for the public good. Public opinion is neither sufficient nor necessary to justify that." George Will, 12/20/1998 "Only in Arkansas does a suicide victim use two shots -- not to mention two weapons -- to kill himself." Joseph Farah, ["Another very suspicious 'Arkancide'"] 1/12/99 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 15:46:49 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Elect ProGunner to Congress (fwd) On Jan 17, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Gun Owners of America [mailto:goamail@gunowners.org] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:08 PM To: goamail@gunowners.org Subject: Christina Jeffrey Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund RE: PLEASE HELP GOA-PVF GET A PRO-GUN CHAMPION TO CONGRESS. January 15, 1999 Dear gun rights supporter: I have an urgent update on the pro-gun candidate (Christina Jeffrey) running to fill Newt Gingrich's vacated seat. Last time I wrote you, I told you "The bottom line is Christina Jeffrey's campaign needs to raise $150,000 immediately." I have good news. Then, I will ask you to take action. THANKS TO PRO-GUN SUPPORTERS LIKE YOU-- AND CHRISTINA JEFFREY'S HARD WORK-- CHRISTINA HAS ALREADY RAISED TWO-THIRDS OF HER IMMEDIATE GOAL. That's right. Christina Jeffrey has raised $100,000 in just three weeks time. Already the major newspapers in the district and in the state are saying that Christina Jeffrey is Johnny Isakson's biggest contender. That sounds good, right? Yes it is good. In fact, it's an amazing accomplishment. But that is just the beginning. You see, Christina Jeffrey is locked in a tight battle with Johnny Isakson, a liberal Republican who thinks he can just sell out Constitutional Principles and then buy elections. So far he has lost two statewide elections. But Johnny Isakson does not give up so easily. In fact, he has already "loaned" himself $500,000. He claims he will spend upwards of $1 million. You know what the media will do if a gun-grabber like Johnny Isakson wins. Headlines will declare "Gun Activists Lose Again." TO STAY COMPETITIVE, CHRISTINA JEFFREY'S CAMPAIGN PLAN CALLS FOR HER TO RAISE $500,000. That means Christina Jeffrey needs to raise at least $13,000 per business day to meet this aggressive budget. As you may recall from my last e-mail, Christina Jeffrey is not wealthy. So in order to run a campaign Christina has been asking virtually all her family and friends to donate to her campaign. It's paying off. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET SENT A CHECK OR MONEY ORDER TO THE JEFFREY CAMPAIGN, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO DO SO RIGHT NOW. If you and I want to stop the gun-grabbers in Washington, we've got to elect a hard-charging, no apologies pro-2nd Amendment candidates like Christina Jeffrey to Congress. Christina Jeffrey is not your ordinary candidate. In fact, two pro-gun champions-- Congressmen Ron Paul and Helen Chenoweth-- both endorse and support Christina Jeffrey's candidacy. This race is a tremendous opportunity to elect a strong, unflinching pro-gun candidate to Congress. I hope you agree it would be such a wasted opportunity if Johnny Isakson takes this over 70% Republican seat. In the Georgia legislature, Johnny Isakson's anti-gun record includes co-authoring the Handgun Control, Inc. version of the Georgia "Brady" Registration bill. In 1993, Mr. Isakson got it passed through the Georgia Senate. But gun rights activists managed to kill it later in the Georgia House of Representatives. Unfortunately in 1995, the "Brady" Registration passed into law in Georgia. Johnny Isakson also pushed to let cities and counties all over the state impose 3-day waiting periods. When that didn't fly, he voted to let local governments impose gun control on their own citizens or people driving through. Fortunately, local gun control didn't pass either. The bottom line is: as bad as things are now, if Johnny Isakson has his way, they'll be much worse. Now, Johnny Isakson wants to move up to the U.S. Congress. IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THE CHRISTINA JEFFREY CAMPAIGN PLEASE TAKE THE FOLLOWING 2 ACTIONS FOR ME. Please take both actions-- not just 1 of them. First, in order to reach Christina's $500,000 campaign plan goal, I want you to help her campaign financially. And if you can, do so in a big way. The maximum legal limit for direct campaign donations is $1,000 per person. For example: A husband and wife can give $1,000 each for a total of $2,000. Remember: Send a personal check or money order-- not a company one. However, if you can not "max" out, please help Christina Jeffrey's campaign with as much as you can-- even if it turns out to be $500 or less. RIGHT AWAY, PLEASE MAIL YOUR MOST GENEROUS CONTRIBUTION-- whether that be $1,000 per person, $500, $250, $100, $50 or whatever you can afford-- to: "CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS" Mail your check or money order as soon as possible to: CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS P.O. BOX 1445 KENNESAW, GA 30144 Second, PLEASE, use the attached reply form to "print and fill out" so the campaign will know exactly who is supporting her. If you can't print out the reply form then please, write somewhere on your check or money order the word "GOA" so Christina will know exactly where her support is coming from. Also, if you give $200 or more, please write in the memo area of your check your occupation and employer. As you know, for disclosure purposes, election laws require campaigns to ask for that information. I hope you will give as much as you can. I also hope you will mail your contribution today. The election will be on February 23rd-- just a few weeks away now. Christina needs to hear from you right away so she can plan effectively. Please respond, there is no time to lose. Yours for the Second Amendment, Larry Pratt **************** CLIP-N-PRINT AND MAIL *************** USE THIS FORM TO MAIL IN YOUR PRO-GUN CONTRIBUTION TO: "Christina Jeffrey for Congress" PO Box 1445 Kennesaw, GA 30144 (PLEASE CHECK THE AMOUNT OR AMOUNTS): ___ $2,000 = $1,000 FOR YOU AND SPOUSE ___ $1,000 ___ $500 ___ $100 ___ $50 ___ $25 ___ OTHER AMOUNT: _____________________ NAME: ___________________________________________ ADDRESS: __________________________________________ CITY/STATE/ZIP: _____________________________________ HOME PHONE: (________)________________________________ WORK PHONE: (________)__________________________ EMPLOYER: ________________________________________ OCCUPATION: ________________________________________ ***************************************************** Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 Paid for and Authorized by Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 17:17:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 17 Jan 99 (fwd) On Jan 17, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ WHEN LEFT IS RIGHT AND RIGHT IS WRONG... It's no accident that the same word describes both a particular form of liberty, and the opposite of wrong. In the old days before people could reasonably expect to exercise their God-given rights, it was possible for people, who had weapons, to force others, who didn't have weapons, to do things that were wrong. Actually, the old days persist in most of the world, and judging from recent events it appears the old days are back in the good old U. S. of A., but I'm getting ahead of myself. The concept of rights is based on the idea that people should be free to use their own judgment in matters of right and wrong. We can't defend ourselves from our Creator's judgment by blaming our deeds on the advice of others, not even the holiest of priests -- who is, after all, a fallible mortal. When all advice is given and weighed, we make the final choice ourselves, and our rights do not only *free* us to choose right, they *oblige* us to do so. The presumption here is that everyone has two things going for them: the capacity to make moral distinctions, and the desire to do the right thing. If each of us, in conducting our own lives, is free to apply these traits to the subtle moral dilemmas that come up in everyday life, we should be able to act in a moral fashion, and the result should be a society that is right and good and just. It hasn't always worked that way, but we don't always make the right choices anyway. As I've said before, this is what comes of being born of ashes and dust. We're supposed to do our best, and forgiveness is there for those who fail after having tried in all good faith, as well as for those who willfully do wrong -- if their repentance is genuine. That is His judgment to make, and His alone. Do animals have rights? Wolves don't choose their prey so as to give them a fighting chance, they go after the easiest pickings: the old, the sick, the lame. They cannot distinguish right from wrong in a moral context, unless we humans first redefine the word "morality" so as to make animal instinct the highest calling. But redefining a word doesn't change the fact that right and wrong are beyond the reach of non-sentient creatures. The only thing it does change is our understanding of morality -- and the change it wreaks is total destruction. Animals cannot have rights unless we first redefine the word "right" as it pertains to particular forms of liberty, and we cannot so redefine that word unless we totally divorce it from its sibling, "right" as in the opposite of wrong. When the former meaning of "right" becomes "the freedom to do as you please," the moral component of liberty is abolished because you may "please" to steal, or murder, or commit adultery, or bear false witness, all things that are known to be wrong, regardless of culture. (Pop quiz: How many Commandments has Bill Clinton NOT broken since becoming President, assuming innocence in the presence of reasonable doubt? If he's not batting at least .700, I'll be very surprised.) An example of the havoc that can be wrought by this sort of disconnect exists in our nation's own history: the Civil War. The Confederacy claimed that its member states' prerogatives under the U.S. Constitution had been unilaterally abrogated by Northern interests, and that therefore they were entitled to consider the contract implicit in the Constitution to have been breached. Looked at in a vacuum, they were absolutely right -- there is nothing in the Constitution, then or now, that empowers the federal government to force a state to remain a part of the Union. But their grasp of the constitutional principle of federalism was undermined by the moral contamination represented by the practice of slavery. Even though the U.S. Constitution did not ban the practice, and even though federal law could not in those days touch a state that allowed slavery, the mere fact that the Southern states held to the practice, impeached them morally when they argued about such things as justice and liberty. They argued for their states' right to permit and encourage something that was morally wrong. And, oh by the way, they also lost the war. A nation that claims the stature to be the world's political leader, must not make such a claim from a position of moral impeachment. If our leaders see fit to endorse the moral contamination that has befallen our nation during the latter half of this century, they will in effect set the stage for an inevitable collapse of American prestige and power. Being right politically is no substitute for being right morally. The Clinton Left believes that it is, and that is why they and their leader MUST be repudiated. - -30- January 17, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 99 16:13:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: The parallels between Clinton and Hitler (fwd) On Jan 18, Eugene Gross wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi Folks, Thought you might find this worth chewing upon! The 'New American' (8/17/98) wrote in an article entitled, "The Imperial President," in which they said that the attempted preemption of state and local governments by EO 13083 offers an ominous echo of the campaign of gleichschaltung (coordination) through which Germany's National Socialist Party (Nazi) abolished federalism and created a totalitarian state in 1933. "The plan was deceptively simple and had the advantage of cloaking the seizure of absolute power in legality," wrote left-wing historian William Shirer in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." "The Reichstag would be asked to pass an 'enabling act' conferring on Hitler's cabinet exclusive legislative powers for four years. Put more simply, the German Parliament would be requested to turn over its constitutional functions to Hitler and take a long vacation. But since this necessitated a change in the constitution, a two-thirds majority was needed to approve it." Like Bill Clinton, Adolf Hitler urged the German Parliament to choose "progress" over "partisanship." He also exploited a "terrorist attack" (the burning of the Reichstag in February 1933) to obtain legislative support for expanding his executive powers. And, like Bill Clinton, Hitler pursued his consolidation of power through executive decrees. Beginning on March 9, 1933 -- two weeks before passage of the Enabling Act -- Hitler's government evicted sitting state governments and installed Reich Commissars to replace them. On March 31, usi9ng the powers granted through the Enabling Act, Hitler dissolved all state diets or assemblies (except for the previously Nazified diet in Prussia). On April 7, Hitler issued a law appointing Reich governors in all states and granting them power to reconstitute state and local governments. Each new governor was a National Socialist Party member and was required to follow "the general policy laid down by the Reich Chancellor." "Thus," concluded Shirer, "within a fortnight of receiving full powers from the Reichstag, Hitler had achieved what Bismarck, Wilhelm II and the Weimar Republic had never dared to attempt: he had abolished the separate powers of the historic states and made them subject to the central authority of the Reich, which was in his hands. He had, for the first time in German history, really unified the Reich by destroying its age-old federal character." By January 30, 1934, Hitler fully consummated his triumph over Germany's federal constitution by issuing a "Law for the Reconstruction of the Reich." Under that measure, according to Shirer, "Popular Assemlies' of the states were abolished, the sovereign powers of the states were transferred to the Reich, all state governments were placed under the Reich government and the state governors put under the administration of the Reich Minister of the Interior" -- that is, under the head of Germany's nationalized police. As Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick triumphantly observed on that date, "The State governments from now on are merely administrative bodies of the Reich." The parallels between Hitler's executive tyranny and that being fashioned by Bill Clinton are inexact, but instructive nonetheless. In fact, it may be that President Clinton's bid to consolidate executive power and abolish federalism by decree actually displays greater audacity than Hitler's, given that Hitler's most decisive actions were taken after the German legislature had formally surrendered power through the Enabling Act. [End of the 'New American' article] Would President Clinton attempt to make such a monstrous seizure of power through which he becomes President-for-life, and Robert Mugabe did in Zimbabwe? People who know Clinton intimately believe that he has no intention of leaving office in the year 2000, and he certainly will resist any attempts to remove him from office over the recent scandals and impeachment by the house. A study of the various Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives issued by Clinton shows what appears to be a pattern of setting up an environment through which he can take full control as a tyrant. En Agape, Gene [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 99 22:56:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 1/18 (fwd) On Jan 18, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----Original Message----- From: EducIntel@aol.com To: EducIntel@aol.com Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:25 AM Subject: EIA Communique - 1/18 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 January 18, 1999 + Thousands want to know: Whatever happened to EIA's fourth quarterly re= port for 1998? Okay, no one really asked; commitments to other projects merely delayed the report for a few weeks. EIA will now take your orders for Rot= ten Apples: School Crime from a Different Angle. The 32-page study recounts t= he extraordinary measures being taken in the name of school safety and compi= les evidence of crimes committed in the public education system that often go unpunished, unreported and undetected. The report is available for free. However, the continuing demand for One Yard Below, ten months after its release, forces me to add the qualifier: while supplies last. It is my ho= pe to produce Internet editions of each of EIA's reports in the near future. Co= ntact EIA at the numbers listed at the bottom of this communiqu=E9. The first r= eports will be mailed next week. + The Oakland Education Association teach-in on Mumia Abu-Jamal and the = death penalty ended with a whimper on Thursday, with only a small number of tea= chers participating. The poor reporters at the Associated Press were driven nut= s early last week, as every few hours they were forced to release stories t= hat read "it's on," followed by another that read "it's off." There was one a= spect of the debate that caught the eye of EIA. It was widely reported that the representative council of the Oakland Education Association voted 48-42, with 11 abstentions, to go ahead with = the teach-in. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that the council has about= 160 representatives, while the San Francisco Examiner reported that it had 25= 0 members. This disparity alone speaks volumes about press coverage of teac= hers' unions, but the vote says even more about union democracy at the local le= vel. In a close, contested vote, with broad public relations consequences and national media attention, the Oakland union could muster only 101 representatives. Depending on whose numbers you believe, that's either a = 63% or a 40% participation rate. Assuming Oakland teachers know who their cou= ncil reps are (a big assumption), one might ask the 60 percent who were disenfranchised on the teach-in vote how they feel about it... or whether= they care. + Philadelphia Federation of Teachers President Ted Kirsch and his entir= e slate were elected by acclamation this week. No other candidates filed nomination papers. Kirsch now begins his fourth three- year term as PFT president. "These election results reflect the desires of the membership,= " said PFT Director of Staff Jerry Jordan. + In two weeks the Florida Teaching Profession-NEA and the Florida Educa= tion Association/United will mail copies of the proposed constitution and by-l= aws for a merged state affiliate of both NEA and AFT. Next month, FTP-NEA pla= ns to hold regional hearings on the documents in order to hold a final merger v= ote at its representative assembly in May. A one-year transition period would follow a positive vote. FTP- NEA's campaign mirrors that of NEA's nationa= l merger campaign of last year. "Children have the most to gain from FTP-NE= A and FEA/U unity," reads one FTP-NEA document. Unlike last year's national vot= e, the Florida merger is expected to pass with little opposition, thus makin= g it the second state (after Minnesota) to finalize a merger. It would also be= the second NEA state affiliate to violate the provisions of New Business Item= #1, passed at the 1998 NEA Representative Assembly, which forbids state merge= rs until guidelines are established and voted on by the 1999 NEA RA. That ev= ent doesn't take place until July =97 in Orlando, Florida. + Friction between the Columbus Education Association and its parent, th= e Ohio Education Association, continues to grow. Columbus staffers returned= from their holiday break to find the fax lines disconnected, Internet access c= ut off, video conferencing center shut down, security system disabled, and telephones unable to make outgoing calls. Y2K problem a year early? No. According to the union's newsletter it was caused by "an official of the = Ohio Education Association who had negotiated for a new phone system and had imposed it on every affiliate in the state without the knowledge or permi= ssion of those affected." Columbus has threatened legal action and says "the le= vel of trust is very low." + No one involved in the public education debate can take much solace in= a poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California. Oh, the resu= lts had something for everyone to argue about: 36% said public education was = the most important issue in the state; more people blamed teachers for school= s' problems than any other cause; more than 80% said teachers should be paid more, but based on merit rather than seniority; more than half approved o= f vouchers; 93% believe state government wastes "some" money or "a lot," mo= re than 60% believe government is run by special interests, et al. But the same people who offered these widely divergent and often contradictory opinions had another problem: only 53% percent of them coul= d name the new governor. Clearly, we can credit the state's schools with on= e major accomplishment: creating an entire class of citizens who hold stron= g opinions based on no knowledge. Political parties can now strategize on h= ow to win the "forcefully ignorant" vote. + Quote of the Week: "They [Americans] should not be forced to pay taxes= for schools which teach religious views they disagree with." =97 former NEA President and current Executive Director of the Florida Teaching Professi= on- NEA John Ryor, explaining, in part, his opposition to school vouchers. Fair enough. How about a system where taxpayers pay for vouchers through payroll deduction, but are allowed to "object" and receive a reimbursemen= t of that portion of their taxes that go to vouchers? We can call these people= , um, "fee-payers." State and local government attorneys would determine what percentage of taxes were "chargeable" to fee-payers and what were "non- chargeable." Fee-payers would have a one-month window each year to file objections to these voucher calculations, which would be settled by arbitrators appointed by state and local legislators. Of course, these fe= e- payers would not be allowed to vote in any state or local election pertai= ning to education. Nah, who would ever go for such a cockamamie system? # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, ana= lysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #209 *************************