From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #215 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 215 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:36:20 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) >The new national policy, Clinton said, should be: ``No background check, >no gun. No exceptions. Pretty catchy phrasing. Maybe it can be reworked into a bumper sticker. "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no exceptions." - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:27:35 -0800 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) Harry E. Barnett wrote: > > "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no > exceptions." > Well said, Harry. Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 18:08:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) On Feb 07, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Harry E. Barnett wrote: > >> "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no >> exceptions." >> > >Well said, Harry. > >Skip. Ditto! - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 18:11:12 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Should the Senate remove Bill Clinton from office? (Poll & Sen. E-mail) (fwd) On Feb 7, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, the US Senate appears deadlocked 56-44, insufficient to remove the President. What can we expect to happen to the Constitution, to the Second Amendment, to Liberty, once Clinton dodges this bullet? Voice your opinion on how your senators should vote and on any other aspects of the impeachment trial. With the Senate impeachment trial final vote now expected on or before February 12th, there is limited time to voice your opinion to your senator. Post your message now and your message will be printed and hand delivered to your senator's office prior to the final vote. Your message will be a part of history as SenateVote.com will record the contents of all messages on CD-ROM and make them available to the Senate and Library of Congress. Cast Your Vote Should the Senate remove Bill Clinton from office? Yes No (Sitting at 49% - 51%) as of 05:35 hrs. 01/07/1999 View poll results http://www.senatevote.com/ The time is NOW to mobilize for the next round of elections. ******* 100 Percent Gunowner VOTER Registration in 1999! ******* - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 18:13:10 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT! Olympic Gun Ban Imminent! (fwd) On Feb 7, S. Thompson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE! PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL GUN-RIGHTS, PATRIOT, CONSTITUTIONAL, LIBERTARIAN, AND RELATED LISTS AND PEOPLE! (If you don't want to read the whole thing, scroll down to "What You Can Do" - for people who DON'T live in Utah. If you DO live in Utah, and didn't get the Utah alert, let me know and I'll send it.) The people of Utah need YOUR help to stop Olympic Gun Control. The internationalist socialists who run the Olympics, and the gun-grabbing Clinton administration are trying to make an example of Utah. They want to prove that they can enact gun control and disarmament anywhere, anytime, without any regard for laws, constitutions, state or national sovereignty. This is NOT a "local issue". If it can happen in Utah, it can happen anywhere else. First it will be the Olympics, and then all international competitions, then the Superbowl, the NBA playoffs, the World Series, all sports events, all concerts, and eventually any gathering of three or more people (the current definition of a "gang"). Traitorous Sen. Mike Waddoups, who bills himself a "pro-gun" legislator, is sponsoring SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in Olympic Venues. He now publicly attacks his former supporters as "gun nuts". The legislature has been ordered (probably by Gov. Leavitt) to pass Olympic Gun Control THIS SESSION, and this bill is on the fast track. It will be heard by the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee soon. (Pro-gun Senate President Lane Beattie dumped it into this inappropriate committee to get it rubber-stamped.) This bill must be STOPPED! An analysis of the bill follows. You can read the actual bill at: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~1999/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0122.htm 1. Current Utah law provides that a concealed carry permit is valid "without exception". This bill would destroy "without exception" by providing that "a person with a permit to carry a concealed firearm may not carry a concealed firearm in "certain locations including..." This will allow the legislature to add absolutely anyplace to the list of places where firearms may not be carried. 2. SB 122 grants complete authority to an "Olympic Law Enforcement Commander". The Olympic Commander has the authority to decide which areas (up to and including the entire state) are "off-limits" to firearms. He oversees all law enforcement, peace officers, the Utah National Guard, and "all other security and public safety personnel". He may "carry out any other action" deemed "necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare of the public". This sounds an awful lot like martial law to me. I have so far been unable to find any requirement that the Olympic Commander be an American citizen, a sworn peace officer, or that he take an oath to uphold the Constitutions of the Unites States or Utah. 3. The bill restricts "dangerous weapons". And a dangerous weapon is not just a firearm. At the discretion of security, it may also include pocket knives, fingernail clippers, nail files, rat-tail combs, pepper spray, ball-point pens, sticks, or "any item which is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury". 4. SB 122 does not require the state or the Olympics to accept any liability for persons injured or killed as a result of being forceably disarmed, or as a result of negligence on the part of "official" security. 5. State law requires that secure facilities provide safe storage for the firearms of permit holders. SB 122 exempts "Olympic venues" from this requirement. Thus anyone planning on attending events will not only be disarmed at the event, but while traveling to and from events. This will turn thousands of Olympic attendees into perfect targets for criminals. 6. There is absolutely no reason for this bill. It is being enacted at the request of international (IOC) and federal (Clinton, the BATF, the Secret Service, etc.) advocates of universal disarmament. NO holder of a Utah concealed carry permit has EVER used a firearm to injure another person or commit a violent crime. 7. If this bill is passed, it will set a dangerous precedent for international and/or federal agencies to enact gun bans and disarmament at will, anytime, anywhere, without any accountability or oversight. All of these provisions are also present in Rep. David Jones's HB 92, which also requires action, but SB 122 is more likely to actually pass. HB 92 also includes a ban on firearms in private residences (including your own), schools, and churches. (Churches have no discretion, they MUST ban guns. Apparently Rep. Jones is unaware of the First Amendment too.) This will effectively create "free-fire" zones for criminals in schools and churches. HB 92 can be found at: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~1999/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0092.htm This bill will be heard Tuesday, Feb. 9 at 8 AM. Rep. Jones's email is: djones@le.state.ut.us WHAT YOU CAN DO! (Assuming you don't live in Utah) Voice your opposition to SB 122 and HB 92. No gun control. No amendments. No compromise. 1.Contact Gov. Leavitt. Apparently there's now evidence that he knew about the Olympic Bribery scandal all along, so he's vulnerable. He also wants to run for national office, so he actually cares more about what YOU think than about what his own consituents think. If we can exert NATIONAL pressure on him, he can call off this nonsense - at least until next year. Gov. Mike Leavitt 210 State Capitol Salt Lake City, UT 84114 801-538-1000 801-538-1528 - fax governor@state.ut.us 2. Contact Sen. Waddoups and let him know what you think of this bill, and of his betrayal of gun owners. He won't "see the light" until he "feels the heat"! Sen. Michael Waddoups (R) 2005 W 5620 S Salt Lake City UT 84118 Home 801-967-0225 Office 801-355-1136 Fax 801-531-9011 3. Write to your local newspapers as well as the Utah papers. Call talk radio shows. Contact national media outlets, both print and TV. I don't want to append my entire media contact list (it's long) but if you want it, let me know. (righter@therighter.com) The Salt Lake Tribune letters@sltrib.com The Deseret News letters@desnes.com The Standard Examiner letters@standard.net More contact info is available at the Nolympics site, http://www.therighter.com/nolympics. We desperately need YOUR help to stop this abomination! Thanks in advance! Sarah Sarah Thompson, M.D. http://www.therighter.com Stop the Gun Ban! NO-lympics 2002! Check out http://www.therighter.com/nolympics And now you can link directly to the Nolympics page and join the nolympics mail list! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:10:03 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: Jury Trials Too Expensive FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED FEB. 10, 1999 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Jury trials too costly ... or just too hard to control? The authors of the United States Constitution considered the right to trial by jury - more accurately, the prohibition on government taking away a citizen's life, liberty or property (start ital)without(end ital) the unanimous consent of a randomly chosen citizen jury - so important that it's the only right to which they devoted two of the first 10 amendments. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to jury trial "in all criminal prosecutions"; the Seventh Amendment extends that right to all suits in common law "where the value of the controversy shall exceed twenty dollars." And, of course, the 14th Amendment forbade the individual states from depriving American citizens of any of these civil rights. Here in Nevada (as in many states), the authors of the state Constitution were similarly forceful in defending the institution that has made Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence a thousand-year wonder of the world. Section 3 of the 1864-vintage Nevada Constitution declares: "The right of trial by Jury shall be secured to all and remain inviolate forever; but a Jury trial may be waived by the parties in all civil cases in the manner to be prescribed by law. ..." Still, lawyers wouldn't be lawyers (and judges wouldn't be even bigger lawyers) if they didn't try from time to time to convince us the plain meaning of simple words isn't what the mere unwashed commoner thinks it is. The United States Supreme Court, for instance, has held for many years that when the Sixth Amendment guarantees a right to a jury trial in "all" criminal prosecutions, it doesn't mean "all," at all - it merely means all those cases in which the defendant might face six months in jail. If the prosecutor promises to ask for only a five-month sentence, no such right exists. There, wasn't that easy? Then, just a few years back, "conservative" Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor discovered and revealed that even (start ital)that(end ital) isn't quite what the Founders meant: It now turns out they meant it's OK to deny a criminal defendant a jury trial even if he faces more than six months in jail on multiple charges, so long as no (start ital)single(end ital) charge against him carries a penalty of more than six months. Isn't this fun? Constitutional law used to be such drudgery, back before our jurists adopted the motto of Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty, that "When (start ital)I(end ital) use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - -- neither more nor less." Not wanting to miss out on all the revisionist fun, a group of Clark County (Las Vegas) District Court judges and justices of the peace are now hoping the 1999 Nevada Legislature will agree to see things their way, and start to whittle down the right of Nevadans to demand jury trials in state courtrooms, as well. Whether the Nevada Constitution actually guarantees a right to jury trial (you remember, that hard-to-understand phrase "shall remain inviolate forever"?) "is in dispute," explains District Judge Mark Gibbons, who's sheepdogging this proposed evisceration of one of our most precious liberties up in the state capital in Carson City. The judges complain that it costs the state as much as $5,000 per day to conduct a jury trial, and that just doesn't make sense in civil matters where the jury award may actually end up being less than the trial cost. With appeals, the volume of trials is already dragging out some cases as long as five years, they complain. "If you're fighting over $100 and it's costing everyone else $5,000, how much does public policy matter?" asks Judge Gibbons. Substitute the words "a citizen's basic rights" for the euphemism "public policy," and chew on that question a bit. Besides, none of this could have anything to do with the trend on which Joan Biskupic of The Washington Post penned a major feature on Feb. 8, headlined "In Jury Rooms, A Form of Civil Protest Grows: Activists Registering Disdain for Laws With a 'Not Guilty' " ... could it? The nerve! Jurors refusing to cooperate when "the law" says we have to send away a teenager for years for being caught with a joint in her purse? Why, if juries had been allowed to act as the conscience of the community in this same way back in the 1850s, how would they ever have enforced the Fugitive Slave Act? And once we cave in here, how many other rights would we be willing to give up in the interest of making the jobs of paid government bureaucrats (yes, I am referring to judges) "more efficient"? Does Judge Gibbons also believe (for instance) that it's not worth putting an armed robber on trial if he only netted $3,000 in his crime spree, since that's also not a cost-effective use of a courtroom that costs "everyone else" $5,000 per day? Wouldn't it more cost-effective to just let him walk? In an era when government has expanded till more than 90 percent of what it spends money on is not constitutionally authorized, it's pound foolish to cry poverty in attempting to restrict citizen access to one of the few remaining services which government actually (start ital)is(end ital) authorized and mandated to provide - justice in the courts, including jury trials. Yes, "20 dollars" in 1787 generally meant an ounce of gold. So adjusting for inflation and reading that phrase to mean $300 in today's dollars may be justifiable. And yes, encouraging litigants in cases of lesser value to go to arbitration, or to voluntarily use small claims courts (appearing only before a justice of the peace) is worth a try. But if our state government lacks the money to build enough courtrooms to provide fair and speedy justice, it had just darned well better close down half the bureaucratic ant farms it's erected without any constitutional authorization in the past 60 years, and shift a lot more of its current revenues back to its proper business. The backlog in civil cases is only a symptom of the real problem, anyway: that being the vast increase in (start ital)criminal(end ital) cases due to a hundredfold increase in laws criminalizing previously legal activities. "Unfortunately the criminal stuff is taking most of our time," confirms Las Vegas Justice of the Peace Douglas Smith. "We can't have people sitting in jail while we are doing a car accident trial." If our state legislatures would stop dreaming up new crimes, and instead repeal most of the fanciful new enactments they've dreamed up since about 1913 (Armed robbery was outlawed by then, wasn't it? And murder and rape and fraud?) Judge Gibbons might be amazed at how quickly the courts could deal with the small minority of defendants who would remain in custody. You know ... the ones who have actually hurt someone? Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@lvrj.com. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. -- John Hay, 1872 The most difficult struggle of all is the one within ourselves. Let us not get accustomed and adjusted to these conditions. The one who adjusts ceases to discriminate between good and evil. He becomes a slave in body and soul. Whatever may happen to you, remember always: Don't adjust! Revolt against the reality! -- Mordechai Anielewicz, Warsaw, 1943 * * * Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 05:10:28 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT! SB 122 FRIDAY! (fwd) And you might add the following two paragraphs as well..... "On the whole, citizens are more successful gun users than are the police. When police shoot, they are 5.5 times more likely to hit an innocent person than are civilian shooters." (CATO Institute Policy Analysis No. 109, TRUST THE PEOPLE: THE CASE AGAINST GUN CONTROL, by David Kopel) "The maintenance of civil order and social democracy is in our hands. It has been there all along. In a nationwide study, Don Kates at the St. Louis University School of Law found that police succeed in wounding or driving off criminals only 81% as often as armed citizens and are 15% more likely to be wounded or killed themselves. \More than FIVE TIMES \ as many cops shoot some innocent individual in the process as civilians do.\" (L. Neil Smith's "The Atrocity Engineers") On Feb 10, Maxwell Smart wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To All Out There Who Care ! ! ! This alert is as much for you and your state as it is for me and mine. If you let these tyrants and international interests destroy Utah, your hour can not be far behind. This alert provided via Sarah Thompson. Thanks, Sarah! Maxwell Smart Utah >Subject: URGENT! SB 122 FRIDAY! > >NATIONAL ALERT from Sarah Thompson > >Here we go again! This is the BIG ONE! > >SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in Olympic Venues, sponsored by Sen. Mike >Waddoups, will be heard Friday, Feb. 12, at 8AM, in Rm 414 State Capitol. >It is being heard by the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture >Committee. > >This bill will ban all firarms and dangerous weapons at the Olympics. SB >122 as it currently exists is entirely unacceptable. Although USSC and >Sen. Waddoups are working on a revision, it has not been released yet, and >I honestly don't know that it will be ready by Friday. And with all due >respect to USSC's heroic efforts, there is no such thing as a GOOD gun >control law. > >Arguments against SB 122 >1. SB 122 was intended to be a "last-ditch" alternative in case HB 92 was >passed. HB 92 has been effectively killed. Therefore no additional >legislation is necessary. Utah's concealed carry laws work perfectly well, >and they should not be changed to accomodate a corrupt, gun-grabbing >internationalist Olympics organization. Worse, Olympics officials will >have their OWN bodyguards, but they want to disarm US! > >2. There is no such thing as "reasonable" gun control, much less >"Constitutional" gun control. The Utah Constitution and the US >Constitution say quite plainly that our right to keep and bear arms may not >be infringed. Either you support gun control or you support gun RIGHTS. I >choose to support gun RIGHTS. > >3. No gun control organization, and no gun rights legislator, has any >business sponsoring gun control legislation, even so-called "compromise" >legislation. > >4. Gun owners are not criminals. We are not second class citizens. We >have done exactly NOTHING to deserve being singled out for special >restrictions. By supporting SB 122, we are saying that we AGREE that >law-abiding CCW holders ARE a threat to the Olympics and should not be >permitted to attend. This is simply not true. No CCW holder has ever >committed a violent crime involving a firearm, and there's no reason to >conclude that the Olympics will be an exception. CCW holders are currently >permitted at all sporting events (despite the U. of U's unlawful ban). Why >should the Olympics be any different than the NBA finals? > >While I've posted the "official media reports" on the HB 92 hearings >yesterday, you should know what the advocates of gun control are really >saying. They are saying that we are some sort of "vermin", that we should >not be permitted to participate in "civilized society". People like us >"don't belong" in schools. We "don't belong" in churches or synagogues. >We should "warn" people before we enter their homes. (Perhaps we should be >required to walk around shouting "Leper" like in Biblical times!) We are >"setting a bad example" by allowing our children to see us carrying >firearms responsibly. We "endanger" any place we might happen to enter. >We are an affront and an offense to decent people. They would prefer that >we crawl into holes and stay there. > >What I heard was nothing but hate speech. Gun owners are the new scapegoat >for all of society's ills, and the new "boogeyman" on which the terrified >sheep can project all their fears. We're no better than Jews were to the >Nazis or Blacks were to the segregationists. We're just harder to kill >because we're armed! > >I'm not willing to publicly say: "You're right. I'm a threat to the >Olympics and I'm willing to be disarmed." Because it's NOT TRUE! > >PLEASE HELP! > >1. Contact Gov. Leavitt and express your objections to his support for >disarming law-abiding citizens, his support of the corrupt Olympic >officials, and his blatant attempt to bully the legislature. Apparently >he's never heard of separation of powers. Ask him if he'd be willing to >attend the Olympics without his armed bodyguards. Let him know gun owners >will NEVER support his aspirations to national office. > 2. Write to the media - your local newspapers, national newspapers, gun >magazines, and the Utah newspapers and express your outrage at the >continued arrogance of the Olympics. They're the criminals, but they want >to disarm law-abiding citizens! (DO NOT bulk-mail letters or copy them to >me or the list!) > >3. If you are a member of a gun rights organization, contact that >organization and ask for its support in opposing SB 122. So far GOA >opposes SB 122, the NRA apparently supports it, and the rest have not >responded to my requests for assistance. > >4. While it's unlikely that Sen. Waddoups will listen to people from >outside Utah, you may want to try anyway. If you do, be polite and thank >him for agreeing to try to fix the bill. Politely, but firmly, let him >know that the bill is no longer needed, and that it needs too much work to >be revised so quickly. Ask him to hold the bill. > >Remember that Olympic gun control affects ALL of us. If we can be disarmed >at the Olympics, we can be disarmed at all international competitions, or >even all sporting events, public arenas etc. This needs to STOP NOW! > >Contact info: >Governor Leavitt: governor@state.ut.us > >Deseret News letters@desnews.com >Salt Lake Tribune letters@sltribune.com >Standard Examiner letters@standard.net > >Sen. Waddoups waddoup@le.state.ut.us > >If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to post them! > >Thanks! >Sarah > >Sarah Thompson, M.D. >http://www.therighter.com > >Stop the Gun Ban! >NO-lympics 2002! >Check out http://www.therighter.com/nolympics >And now you can link directly to the Nolympics page >and join the nolympics mail list! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:01:30 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:01 -0500 (EST) From: Paul M Watson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE (fwd) I meant to send this out earlier. A remembrance of the death of a great American Patriot, Jim "LOBO Blue Wolf" Bohan 1-29-98. RIP Regards, Paul Watson - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: BMichael@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE >From THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE [February 1, 1998] JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE By L. Neil Smith Exclusive to _The Libertarian Enterprise_ The Old Blue Howler is dead. James Frederick Bohan of Yoakum, Texas, passed away Thursday, Jan. 29, at his computer keyboard of a heart attack. He was 52 years old. Many people knew Jim Bohan (pronounced as if it were written "Bowen") by the "handle" that appeared in one form or another in his various e-mail addresses: "Lobo Azul", or "Blue Wolf". He was a singularly valuable individual, a valiant freedom fighter, and a great man who will be sorely missed, both as a public figure and a personal friend. For my family, for me and my wife Cathy and my daughter Rylla, this is a bitterly painful loss. Jim was one of those colorful, larger-than-life personalities of whom there are all too few in the pitiable weenieocracy that America has become. As Robert Heinlein advised us all, Jim took "big bites" of life and knew without having been told that anything worth doing is worth overdoing. He was a true son of the Texas prairie who reflexively displayed that "you paid for the drinks, I'll pay for the Cadillacs" attitude that Heinlein described. Although we often disagreed on strategy and tactics -- my recent suggestion that libertarian candidates "pick off the stragglers" among Republican office holders who were elected by a 5% margin or less made him pretty mad at me -- one principle we never disagreed about was the central political importance of the individual right to own and carry weapons. We didn't know Jim well in some ways -- I had to get his age and middle name from his aunt, who called me with the terrible news -- but he and I liked each other from the outset of our acquaintance several years ago and respected one another as professionals. He took an immediate shine to my womenfolk when he met them at a Second Amendment leadership conference in Denver and never failed to ask about them afterward. No more will we swap insults, jokes, and other messages over what, to a large degree, was home to both of us, the internet. No more will I have what almost amounted to real-time conversations with him, notes back and forth for hours at a time as each of us tended to his other e-mail. No more will we have the long telephone conversations that both of us used to enjoy and that became more frequent last year when I was offline for so long owing to the flood. Whenever I went too long without sending e-mail, he always called to see if we were all right. As I say, the loss was bitter and personal. But there's another aspect to it. Jim was a pivotal participant in DeFoley8, the effort that set an historical precedent by successfully deposing then House Speaker Tom Foley as punishment for that politician's turnabout on victim disarmament. He went on to be a cofounder of NOBAN -- a mailing list on the internet grimly dedicated to repeal of the Clinton and Brady gun laws - -- which he was proud to say amounted to the largest, most powerful, and diverse political coalition ever put together. Jim was one of those background movers-and-shakers no historian ever makes an adequate accounting of, important and well respected in the highest councils of the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association, both of which he served energetically in many ways, especially as a grass-roots conduit to those organizations, both of which have lost touch with their constituencies and reality itself. I knew if I wanted NRA leadership, or even key Republicans, to be aware of something I said, I could tell Jim and sooner or later they'd hear it. An established master of the gruff, curmudgeonly, marshmallow- centered style of charm, he genuinely had little patience for fools. He didn't have much use for libertarians, either, having been put off by some of our liberaloid type in southern California, and I was never able to convince him that I am more typical of the breed than they are. Jim regarded himself as a practical man. He was remarkable in that he maintained amiable relations with leaders of the GOP and the NRA (all of whose foibles and limitations he had no illusion about -- any more than he had illusions about mine), and at the same time remained in touch with rugged individualists like me, a libertarian disgusted with both groups, yet never gave up a micron of his own hard-edged principles. His low voice and soft Texas accent made an interesting and effective counterpoint to his imposing physical appearance. In addition to his other accomplishments, Jim was a cattle man, running a spread that has been in his family for generations, and an oil man, as well. He wrote novels that have been compared with the works of Elmore Leonard and Quentin Tarrantino, but which are so forthright and true to reality that he was still trying to sell them, with the help of a New York agent, at the time of his death. He also wrote screenplays, the option money for one of which, he said, kept his ranch afloat during the long Texas drought of a few years back. He even had an acting credit, having appeared briefly in _American Grafitti_. He meant to write an investigative book dealing with corruption in high places that should have been exposed long ago, but I never learned how far he got. The undertaking would have been very, very dangerous. Jim was one of a kind, a man who can never be replaced. The Republican Party and National Rifle Association have a long, long way to go before they're worthy of the love and loyalty he lavished on them. And I will miss him terribly. =================================== L. Neil Smith is the publisher of _The Libertarian Enterprise_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:16:26 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Fed Black Helicopters exercise in Kingsville,Texas (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- soldiers dropping from ropes=20 By David M. Bresnahan =A9 1999 WorldNetDaily.com KINGSVILLE, Texas -- Local residents are distraught over a near disaster during a secret Army training exercise. Local officials claim they were sworn to secrecy. Getting factual information about what happened is next to impossible. Reports from residents told of low flying, unmarked helicopters and soldiers dropping down from ropes in the center of the town after dark Monday night. WorldNetDaily was told that the police station burned and a commercial building was severely damaged.=20 The assistant police chief confirmed what no one else would admit. "The United States Army Special Operations Command was conducting a training exercise in our area," admitted Arthur Rogers when the police chief was unavailable for comment. He refused further details. That was more than Mayor Phil Esquivel would disclose. He said he was sworn to secrecy for national security reasons. His answers were evasive and without detail. When Esquivel was asked about damage he denied there was any. When he was told that damage was reported by a witness, he revised his comments. "If there was any damage done, they were going to repair it, but I haven't gotten an assessment of the properties," the mayor stated. He then admitted there was a fire, but would not comment on the cause or the extent of damage. Was there damage to a building?=20 "Possibly," said Esquivel. "An abandoned building that was going to be torn down anyway." It was learned from another witness that the damaged building was a commercial building that is not going to be torn down. Witnesses reported that black helicopters with no identification markings flew into the city just after dark. They arrived in the center of the city, which had been evacuated by police. The secret training exercise lasted several hours. When it was over an abandoned police station had been accidentally set on fire and the Exxon building was badly damaged when one or more helicopters landed on the roof. Windows of buildings were also broken. "I live out in the country and they flew right over us and our house just trembled. That's how low they were going," said Thelma, a resident who would give only her first name. Esquivel claims he is just being a good citizen by not giving the details. He confirmed that he had granted permission for the exercise, but he refused to say how long ago permission was granted or which branch of the military was involved. "They asked me to keep it secret," repeated Esquivel several times. "I respect national security. It was very well controlled and no one was hurt. "It didn't expend city taxpayers dollars. It did not put citizens of Kingsville in jeopardy. The police department warned all surrounding neighbors. We're supporting national security."=20 Many residents have been complaining extensively. In between life insurance sales appointments, the mayor has been fielding angry phone calls. "I'm glad that this gets out. This is total B.S. If we don't stop it now it's going to get worse," John Rohmfeld, who lives there, told WorldNetDaily. "Apparently this was a secret operation. "They meant to come in here and see what the hell they can get away with. I'm not going to let them get away with it," he stated. The mayor tells all the concerned callers the same thing:=20 "It was a training exercise that would insure national security if we ever need it. It was asked not to disclose what armed services or what division of the armed services it was in, but it is supporting national security." There are 25,000 residents of Kingsville, a town near Corpus Christi and home of the Kingsville Naval Station. Residents are used to seeing military people around town, but not repelling down from helicopters. They want to know what happened in their town. Not knowing causes fear, and refusal to answer questions causes them to lose trust in their leaders. The local barber shop is usually the center of gossip and discussion of current events. The day after the exercise there were only questions and doubt, which were the result of no official word on what happened. "I don't like something like that. I don't like what was going on," said barber Joel Gant. For now, the questions remain. The army public relations officer failed to return calls from WorldNetDaily, and no one in an official position was willing to explain what happened. - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.= net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:36:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE (fwd) (fwd) I'll add my agreement here. Besides myself, Jim was the only other guy I knew, who could huck ordinary playing cards like shuriken. Not such a big deal you might think, till reminded that there are such things as steel playing cards. Nothing quite like a 54 shot magazine. Jim's loss to us is still evident as few come close to his measure in any way whatsoever. On Feb 11, Paul M Watson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I meant to send this out earlier. A remembrance of the death of a great American Patriot, Jim "LOBO Blue Wolf" Bohan 1-29-98. RIP Regards, Paul Watson - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: BMichael@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE >From THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE [February 1, 1998] JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE By L. Neil Smith Exclusive to _The Libertarian Enterprise_ The Old Blue Howler is dead. James Frederick Bohan of Yoakum, Texas, passed away Thursday, Jan. 29, at his computer keyboard of a heart attack. He was 52 years old. Many people knew Jim Bohan (pronounced as if it were written "Bowen") by the "handle" that appeared in one form or another in his various e-mail addresses: "Lobo Azul", or "Blue Wolf". He was a singularly valuable individual, a valiant freedom fighter, and a great man who will be sorely missed, both as a public figure and a personal friend. For my family, for me and my wife Cathy and my daughter Rylla, this is a bitterly painful loss. Jim was one of those colorful, larger-than-life personalities of whom there are all too few in the pitiable weenieocracy that America has become. As Robert Heinlein advised us all, Jim took "big bites" of life and knew without having been told that anything worth doing is worth overdoing. He was a true son of the Texas prairie who reflexively displayed that "you paid for the drinks, I'll pay for the Cadillacs" attitude that Heinlein described. Although we often disagreed on strategy and tactics -- my recent suggestion that libertarian candidates "pick off the stragglers" among Republican office holders who were elected by a 5% margin or less made him pretty mad at me -- one principle we never disagreed about was the central political importance of the individual right to own and carry weapons. We didn't know Jim well in some ways -- I had to get his age and middle name from his aunt, who called me with the terrible news -- but he and I liked each other from the outset of our acquaintance several years ago and respected one another as professionals. He took an immediate shine to my womenfolk when he met them at a Second Amendment leadership conference in Denver and never failed to ask about them afterward. No more will we swap insults, jokes, and other messages over what, to a large degree, was home to both of us, the internet. No more will I have what almost amounted to real-time conversations with him, notes back and forth for hours at a time as each of us tended to his other e-mail. No more will we have the long telephone conversations that both of us used to enjoy and that became more frequent last year when I was offline for so long owing to the flood. Whenever I went too long without sending e-mail, he always called to see if we were all right. As I say, the loss was bitter and personal. But there's another aspect to it. Jim was a pivotal participant in DeFoley8, the effort that set an historical precedent by successfully deposing then House Speaker Tom Foley as punishment for that politician's turnabout on victim disarmament. He went on to be a cofounder of NOBAN -- a mailing list on the internet grimly dedicated to repeal of the Clinton and Brady gun laws - -- which he was proud to say amounted to the largest, most powerful, and diverse political coalition ever put together. Jim was one of those background movers-and-shakers no historian ever makes an adequate accounting of, important and well respected in the highest councils of the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association, both of which he served energetically in many ways, especially as a grass-roots conduit to those organizations, both of which have lost touch with their constituencies and reality itself. I knew if I wanted NRA leadership, or even key Republicans, to be aware of something I said, I could tell Jim and sooner or later they'd hear it. An established master of the gruff, curmudgeonly, marshmallow- centered style of charm, he genuinely had little patience for fools. He didn't have much use for libertarians, either, having been put off by some of our liberaloid type in southern California, and I was never able to convince him that I am more typical of the breed than they are. Jim regarded himself as a practical man. He was remarkable in that he maintained amiable relations with leaders of the GOP and the NRA (all of whose foibles and limitations he had no illusion about -- any more than he had illusions about mine), and at the same time remained in touch with rugged individualists like me, a libertarian disgusted with both groups, yet never gave up a micron of his own hard-edged principles. His low voice and soft Texas accent made an interesting and effective counterpoint to his imposing physical appearance. In addition to his other accomplishments, Jim was a cattle man, running a spread that has been in his family for generations, and an oil man, as well. He wrote novels that have been compared with the works of Elmore Leonard and Quentin Tarrantino, but which are so forthright and true to reality that he was still trying to sell them, with the help of a New York agent, at the time of his death. He also wrote screenplays, the option money for one of which, he said, kept his ranch afloat during the long Texas drought of a few years back. He even had an acting credit, having appeared briefly in _American Grafitti_. He meant to write an investigative book dealing with corruption in high places that should have been exposed long ago, but I never learned how far he got. The undertaking would have been very, very dangerous. Jim was one of a kind, a man who can never be replaced. The Republican Party and National Rifle Association have a long, long way to go before they're worthy of the love and loyalty he lavished on them. And I will miss him terribly. =================================== L. Neil Smith is the publisher of _The Libertarian Enterprise_ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #215 *************************