From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #217 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, February 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 217 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 03:16:54 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Will America go through another Revolution? (fwd) On Feb 19, Omegamarc@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Patriots of the First Kind Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom February 18, 1999 I had the opportunity, recently, to sit and talk with a fellow I had first met a few years ago. I had met him during my travels around the country. He called, out of the blue, just the other day - concerned over the rumors that I was videoed in Oklahoma City, shortly after the bombing. He said that he and Jack McLamb had viewed the video footage and discussed the picture and their knowledge of me - and had determined that I could not have been the one in the pictures. As always, I welcome truth, and was relieved to find others had concluded it was not, could not be me. Our conversation, however, led into that realm that comes so frequently to the front. Brian showed me a picture of a FBI agent's picture from Waco. I had seen the picture before Ron Cole had sent it to me, along with a picture of Timothy McVeigh. Speculation that the man was McVeigh, or that McVeigh was the agent, ran through the community back in mid 1995. I pointed out to Brian what I had shown Ron. McVeigh's nose turns slightly downward, unlike the other picture, and the ears were completely different. This demonstrates, however, that the desire to 'create' a sinister tie can, sometimes, override the obvious. The conversation continued into a realm just recently discussed on the list - that of whether it is proper to 'violate' simple rules, burdening the court; to politic for change; and, the inevitable, is it time to do what is necessary to effect change. Over the years, every since standing on the balcony of the New Road Inn, on April 19, 1993, I have been of one mind. In the subsequent two years, as I traveled the country, the most often spoken solution was to 'take on' the government, and restore what is, was our birthright. The creative minds of the patriot toiled for the means to activate what would become the Second American Revolution - until one early April morning, just two years after the fateful events at Waco. Suddenly, the backs of the patriots were turned to the reality that they had been so actively pursuing. The reality of blood and death, though this time the blood and death of the enemy, repulsed the many who had claimed that they SHOULD have gone to Waco to protect the innocent. In the meantime, a fellow who had been sitting, alone, in the restaurant, eating his sandwich and awaiting a friend, since before either Brian or I had arrived, ventured over to our table to query whether we were talking about the government conspiracy to take our rights away. We joined him in conversation for, perhaps, fifteen minutes, until his sweetheart arrived, and they left, hand in hand. What came of our discussion, however, still lingers. The man had been concerned about what happened to the Branch Davidians, the Weavers and others who have been so maliciously affected by the actions of government. He was willing to do anything, say anything - to do whatever was necessary to effect the change we all desire - until I suggested that Tim McVeigh had the right idea. His defense, then, of non-violence became almost humorous. At the same time, they struck a nerve in me, since I have seen so many imprisoned for their peaceful efforts to effect change. As I pondered these circumstances, over the next few days, my mind revisited the past few years and the apathy that was a consequence of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Now, when I say 'apathy, I don't mean the mental activity that has been invested in attempting to find a means, nor the energy expired in attempting to disprove the obvious about McVeigh. I mean the apathy from, or towards reality. Through history, effective change has never come without great cost. As Thomas Paine explained to us, some two hundred twenty-three years ago, "Tis dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." Though I try to put my sentiments into words, I keep going back to the best-laid explanation of the reality that I have yet run across. Washington was encamped at Fort Lee. It was the winter of 1776-77, and Thomas Paine, a foreigner, had joined the American forces to fight for Freedom, Liberty and self-government. There is little doubt that he was directing his message to the patriots of the second kind, those who had still sought lip service as the means, when he said: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and women. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly -- Tis dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." I suppose that time matures all true Patriots, eventually, into Patriots of the First Kind. Those who have come to the reality that it is not for our sake that we take the task; rather, it is for the sake of our posterity. Those who have borne children, and who have decided that, whatever the cost, their children will not grow up to become 'subjects' of the government, rather, men of free will and destiny, who mature into the latter. Like those who provided a constant flow of articulated gestures, intending, then, to create what has become our destiny, now, there are those who will do little more than posture toward that same end. On the other hand, there were those, then, who accepted the reality that if their goal was to be achieved, the price would, indeed, be very dear. Likewise, there are those, today, who know that the means is within their grasp. It is time for the manifestation our Thomas Paine's words, and our Heritage, to move those who believe - to action. It is only among these Patriots of the First Kind that I can feel honored by their presence. -- Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom http:www.illusions.com/opf [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:27:12 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Polio Vaccine and Cancer (fwd) > >From: Patricia Hittner >Subject: Polio Vaccine and Cancer >To: AUTISM@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > >This was sent to me by a concerned parent. > >Patricia > > >Polio Shots in '50s, '60s are linked to cancer Tainted vaccine given to >millions >Source: Washington Times February 17, 1999 >By Robert Matthews London Sunday Telegraph > >LONDON - The mass vaccination campaigns of the 1950s and 1960s may be >causing hundreds of deaths a year because of a cancer-causing virus that >contaminated the first polio vaccines, according to scientists. Known >as SV40, the virus came from dead monkeys whose kidney cells were used >to culture the first Salk vaccines. > >Doctors estimate that the virus was injected into tens of millions >during mass vaccination campaigns before being detected and screened out >in 1963. Those born between 1941 and 1961 are thought to be most at >risk of having been infected. Now a new study of the effects of SV40 >points to disturbing evidence that the monkey virus causes a number of >human cancers. It concludes that there is "compelling" evidence linking >SV40 to mesothelioma, a once-rare type of lung cancer whose prevalence >is rapidly increasing. > >Dr. Janet Butel of the Baylor College of Medicine in Waco, Texas, the >lead author of the study, said in an interview: "I feel strongly that >research is warranted to determine how common human infections by SV40 >may be, and what factors might predispose individuals to SV40-related >tumors." Her study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer >Institute, also suggested that the monkey virus may be passing from >those given the contaminated vaccine to their children, spreading the >cancer risk still further. > >Blood samples analyzed by Dr Butel and her colleagues point to the >steady spread of the cancer causing virus in the human population, with >10 percent of those never exposed directly to the contaminate vaccine >testing positive for SV40. Dr. Butel said : "I believe SV40 is present >in the human population today and is being spread among >individuals by an unknown route." > >The Sunday Telegraph has learned that scientists in Britain have joined >an international effort to confirm the findings. According to Gordon >McVie, the director general of the Cancer Research Campaign in Britain, >researchers have thus far uncovered evidence linking SV40 to a number of >cancers, including brain tumors and bone cancer. "I've a feeling that >the virus might be implicated in more such as non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and >prostate cancer.' he said. > >The study is also likely to prompt a radical re-evaluation by doctors of >what happened 40 years ago, during the early days of polio vaccination. >Until now, SV0 was regarded as harmless, with no evidence of long-term >health effects emerging in follow up studies of those vaccinated. Now it >appears that these studies may not have been conducted over a long >enough period. New highly sensitive laboratory tests have disclosed the >presence of SV40 in many different types of human tumor. > >The most startling results center on mesotheliomas , until recently >linked primarily with asbestos. Studies have found that around 70 >percent of mesothelioma cases test positive for SV40 virus. Over the >past 30 years the number of mesothelioma cases has risen 10-fold, to >about 1,000 cases a year, and is forecast to reach 4,000 early next >century. Until now the increase was blamed on the asbestos industry. > >But the new findings are leading scientists to suspect that SV40 may >account for a substantial number of mesothelliomas. Dr Butel said : >"The consistent association of SV40 with that tumor is compelling." Some >scientists remain skeptical of the link however, Robin Weiss, a >professor of viral oncology at University College in London said that >SV40 is widely used in laboratories and could easily contaminate tumor >samples, fooling the ultrasensitive tests used to detect the virus. > >Dr. Weiss said "Many of the positive results are probably false >positives. We've looked at mesothelioma and did find it in some cases, >but then we got bogged down in whether they were due to contamination or >not." However, Dr Bjarat Jasani, a teaching expert on SV40 and >mesotheliomas at the University of Wales College of Medicine in Cerdiff, >said that new reliability tests rule out contamination as a possible >explanation. Dr. Jasani said he had little doubt that the mass polio >vaccination campaigns were to blame >for SV40 entering the human population. He added, however, that this >could bring a new hope to hundreds of cancer patients as it suggests >that many might be treated by a vaccine that attacked SV40. > >*************************************************************** >Karin Schumacher >Vaccine Information & Awareness (VIA) >12799 La Tortola >San Diego, CA 92129 >619-484-3197 (phone/voicemail) >619-484-1187 (fax) >via@access1.net (email) >http://www.909shot.com (NVIC website) >http://www.access1.net/via (VIA website) >*************************************************************** >We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice >*************************************************************** >Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical >OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you >implement that decision is yours and yours alone. >*************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 14:32:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: This is it - a clear *proven* pro-RKBA Presidential Candidate! (fwd) On Feb 19, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, Our opportunity to put a Pro-RKBA Candidate in the White House! We are angered by Leftists attacking our Right to Arms, and particularly incensed by 'turncoat' Republicans who suddenly turn on us and vote with the enemy. Well here it is... the opportunity to put in a PROVEN Pro-RKBA candidate into the White House! This is how it is done. Find the right candidate and then put *them* into office. Far too often we sit passively and hope that whichever candidate emerges will support our pleas for assistance. As a result, we are saddled with the likes of Dole, Bush, Warner and Kasich, who all too often fail us. You will recall Sen. Bob Smith of New Hampshire valiantly fought and won for us 69 out of a 100 Senate votes to place his amendment into Brady II that would have forbidden an FBI registration tax, forbidden gunowner registration, and best of all, afforded standing to sue against any public official who disobeyed it's prohibitions. Smith did so (if I recall correctly) against NRA and GOP urging. He did this on his own and performed magnificently, only to have his Amendment and our Rights, killed in Gingrich's committee. I urge your support for Senator Smith. Deeds -- not empty words -- have proven him worthy of our support. Now our task is to get the 70 million American Gunowners registered and voting for this man! In Liberty, Rick V. jurist@attymail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- Reuters [OL] Friday, February 19, 1999 12:24AM WOLFEBORO, N.H. (Reuters) via NewsEdge Corporation - Speaking at the high school where he once taught, conservative New Hampshire Sen. Bob Smith Thursday announced his candidacy for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. http://companies.newspage.com/item.cfm/c0219002.500?heads=yes Letter from GOA http://www.gunowners.org/bilet.htm - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental* Human Right - RKBA - ---------------------------------------------------------------- * Rights, when Fundamental, are subjected to "strict scrutiny" Supreme Court review, and are almosts always struck down under that standard. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:41:07 -0800 From: skip Subject: Re: This is it - a clear *proven* pro-RKBA Presidential Candidate! (fwd) Bill Vance wrote: > On Feb 19, Jurist wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, > > Our opportunity to put a Pro-RKBA Candidate in the White House! > > [snip, snip] > > I urge your support for Senator Smith. Deeds -- not empty words -- have > proven him worthy of our support. Now our task is to get the 70 million > American Gunowners registered and voting for this man! > > In Liberty, > > Rick V. > jurist@attymail.com > Rick, Do you know of any other stands on issues to recommend Smith to conservatives, Repubs and the Independent majority, or are you asking us to support him for his appealing RKBA stand alone? Your single- issue endorsement didn't elaborate. The single-issue road is far more likely to lead to wasted resources and humiliating defeat than to the White House. Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 03:23:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SLICK: Petition No ---"Know Your Customer" Banking Regulation (fwd) On Feb 22, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 99-02-21 16:48:03 EST, you write: << Date: 99-02-21 16:48:03 EST From: SanityMad BCC: RichSlick Please assiSt in this Internet campaign to stop a regulation which would require your bank to spy on you, and I'd like to invite you to join me. We now have less than 20 days to contact the FDIC and demand that it kill its proposed "Know Your Customer" rule. Please forward this message to any friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, or other people you know who may be interested, then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the petition. It will be submitted directly to the FDIC. Plus, a copy will be sent to your representative in the U.S. House and to both your U.S. Senators. >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:43:00 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: JUST DO IT! (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:29:47 -0700 From: "L. Neil Smith" To: lneil@ezlink.com Subject: JUST DO IT! Hi -- I'm taking a moment out of a very busy schedule to ask you to go to the following web site: http://www.DefendYourPrivacy.com/ ... and participate in the commentary going on there. As you may know, the government wants to turn the country's banks and credit unions into spies, informing them about every transaction they regard as "too large" or "unusual". The excuse, of course, is the illegal and irrational War on Drugs. An early version of this proposal would eventually have outlawed any cash transaction larger than $100. I'm sure if they get away with what they want now, we'll be hearing about the $100 deal again. When I offered my comment, I observed that there isn't much bank privacy now, and that this idea takes things in the wrong direction. I proposed that the kind of relationship should exist between you and your bank that supposedly exists between you and your lawyer, clergyman, or doctor. I also proposed the abolition of all the agencies supporting this nonsense. I urge you to go back me up, or propose your own notions. Give 'em hell! Neil - -- ====================================================================== L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of _THE PROBABILITY BROACH_, _PALLAS_, _HENRY MARTYN_, _BRETTA MARTYN_, _THE MITZVAH_ (forthcoming, with Aaron Zelman), and 15 other novels. Order them from Amazon.com via or from Laissez Faire Books at or just call Laissez Faire toll free, 1-800-326-0996. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 16:48:56 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Vote for Reagan! (fwd) On Feb 22, David Sagers wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Webmaster@rnchq.org To: Subject: Vote for Reagan! Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:51:34 -0500 It's come to our attention that President Ronald Reagan is running behind in votes in a CNN Poll. Please take time to vote! Vote for the most influential President of the 20th Century. Currently, Reagan is running second to FDR, we must do all we can to correct this! http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/2K/virtual/poll.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 22:16:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Suited Barbarians (fwd) On Feb 23, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] So tell me again which country is Oz? Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Given a choice, I'd rather be undergoverned. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Williams Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Suited Barbarians US Report, Telling it like it is -- The New Australian By James Henry No. 108, 21-27 February 1999 In my article column Clinton and Machiavelli's Prince* (No. 106, 8-14 February) I thought I had made it clear that Clinton was not in himself the real menace to the Republic and why there is no danger of him becoming our first dictator. He is certainly ruthless and ambitious enough for the role, but lacks the necessaries qualities and, above all, the right social and political environment. I pointed out that it is not the Constitution that defends our lives and liberty but our faith in the Constitution. This is something the Founding Fathers fully understood and that is why they built checks and balances into our system of government. They were astute observers of of human nature as well as keen students of history. They knew how people can be deceived or moved by the passions of the moment. But more than anything else, they understood how seductive power can be and the attraction it holds for the worst of men and women. There are only two ways in which a people lose their liberty: from within or from without. The threat to American liberty will not spring from militant Chinese nationalism or a resurgent Russia 97 it will come from a gradual loss of faith in liberty as Americans succumb to the blandishments of the state and sink into moral degradation. The latter does not mean Roman-like orgies or taking delight in gladiatorial contests. It does mean abandoning basic moral values and severing one's ties from tradition. This process can only leave a society morally adrift, subject to philosophical absurdities such as relativism, which invariably degenerates into nihilism. When this begins to happen people at first lose their moral courage; fearing ridicule and being portrayed as ignorant they allow the sophistries and outright lies of the emerging orthodoxy to go unchecked; eventually, their own lack of moral courage is transformed into a lack of moral conviction and they lose their capacity to make moral judgements. This opens the door to despotic government. We have not reached the final stage of moral collapse. Most people still see Clinton for the creature he really is. Yet a great many people were either unable or feared to make the final moral judgement. Is this because they accepted the dominant intellectual belief that moral judgements are expressions of intolerance (except when made by left-wing intellectuals) or is it because they are now incapable of making moral judgements? Or is it because they fear ridicule? I just do not know. But I do know that when moral values collapse barbarism moves in. Totalitarian ideologies have been the curse of the twentieth century. The havoc they wreaked and their death toll vastly exceeds anything caused by all of history's other barbarians. The Nazis were this century's barbarians par excellence, not because of the numbers they murdered (communist states murdered vastly more people) but because they epitomised modern barbarism. Men who could casually murder men, women and children and then go home and cuddle their children, listen to Bach, play Mozart, read Goethe or discuss nineteenth century art. Barbarians in neatly tailored uniforms and highly polished boots. Barbarians wearing glasses, smoking pipes and with leather patches on the elbows of their jackets lecturing students on National Socialism and Aryan superiority. Barbarians in silk shirts and ties and oozing smarmy charm, exhibiting impeccable manners and convincing English aristocrats and naive politicians that their intentions were honorable and their ambitions limited 97 and all the while their thugs swaggered through the nation's streets. What made this possible was, in a nutshell, Germany's moral collapse. A country noted for its high culture, universities and high level of education was turned virtually overnight into a nation of suited barbarians. Nothing so dramatic or murderous is going to happen in America. No, it will strike us like a cancer that if left unchecked becomes terminal. Are we seeing the signs? Perhaps. The first target of any totalitarian movement is the media, including film studios. Unlike the Nazis or communists, America's totalitarian Left has not had to capture government to control the means of communications, it has virtually done that already. It also controls nearly all of the country's humanities departments. From these it has poured out thousands of left-wing graduates who go into law, journalism, teaching, entertainment 97 even advertising. The mainstream media's uniform defence of Clinton and the savagery of its ideological assault on his critics and victims clearly demonstrates who is really in control. These journalists are just some of Clinton's suited barbarians. For them there is no truth, only a cause and a pathological hatred of conservatism. True, the barbarians' control of the media is not complete, but it doesn't have to be. It only needs to be effective. There is no doubt that our leftist dominated media has had a pernicious effect on public opinion. I recall how William Shirer described that while living in Nazi Germany even he had been misled by "a steady diet over the years of falsifications and distortions" (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) despite his ready access to foreign sources of information, especially British and American. Then, of course, we have the Hollywood network. Its support for left-wing causes is as legendary as its scorn for conservative values. Not content with publicly cheering Clinton on, it has joined his smear squad with NBC productions Law & Order and Homicide being used to libel Ken Starr and belittle the accusations against Clinton. Do these actors, producers and directors have any shame or any common decency? Of course not. This piece of lying pro-Clinton propaganda is all in the cause. (But it sometimes makes me wonder who will be the Hollywood Leni Riefenstahl). So is Hollywood dominated by suited barbarians? I think so. Just recall Alec Baldwin's antics. This now leaves us with the universities. The extent of open support for Clinton in academia, mainly the humanities, has shaken quite a few people. It shouldn't have. Twentieth century academics in general have not really been noted for their devotion to democracy. German universities were so ideologically corrupt by 1933 that the great majority of those holding university chairs had already joined the Nazi Party along with thousands of other academics. The recent outbreak of academic support for Clinton suggests that the mentality many of our academics is not much better than that of those German academics of the '20s and '30s. Once again demonstrating besuited barbarism was not just a German phenomenon, especially when one considers how many American academics supported Marxist regimes that murdered scores of millions of their own citizens. The one thing people must learn is that they are not facing a political party or a conspiracy. What they are facing is the deadliest of all political movements. The type that spontaneously emerges overtime, gradually spreading, like a plague, through civic society and the body politic. What members of this movement share is a common ideology and that is why they seem to act as if they are being directed. People who share the same ideas tend to react the same way. Therefore the movement has no head and no plan, just a self-organising network. This is much easier to understand if you think of the ideology as a plague and the ideologues as carriers. Hillary Clinton is one such carrier while Bill is basically a political parasite. If this political plague is not stopped, and it can be stopped, it will eventually kill off American democracy. The first step in defeating this movement is to understand what it is. Fortunately, its nature is well understood in many quarters. The really good news is, it cannot withstand the antidote 97 and that is honest and open debate. Without a doubt, the Net will play a vital role in defeating this totalitarian disease, as Matt Drudge has already shown. I firmly believe that the good news will get even better. *Clinton and Machiavelli's Prince The New Australian [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 22:17:12 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 2nd UN Small Arms Regulatory/Seizure/Destruction Conference (fwd) On Feb 23, Mike Riddle wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.ssaa.org.au/undc2627.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 17:24:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: FCC / Long Distance (fwd) On Feb 24, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] At 10:46 PM 2/23/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>Ed, I hate ta tell ya, but... >> >>Whaddya expect the FCC to say? >> >>Don't believe me? Follow this link: >> >>http://www.heritage.org/ >> >>and ask them. >> >> >>Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD > >Hi, > >How do we know that the Heritage Foundation wasn't taken in by the hoax >too? I have heard this story and heard this story since I've been on the >Net...for about three years now. It has always been "urgent". The vote >was always going to be "very soon". Yet, three years later, the *same* >e-mail is being sent. Truly...every single word! > >While it may be possible that this is true (or someday will be), I would >more likely suspect the Heritage Foundation was also taken in by the hoax. >The people on the Internet Hoax pages generally do very thorough research. > >Love, > >Tammy S. > <>< Not this time. The Heritage Foundation said nothing about a per-call access charge. Rather, they said that the FCC's E-rate ("the Gore Tax") would be tacked on to your monthly telephone bill, and would amount to five percent of that bill. This, whether you were an Internet user or not. The FCC evidently had hoped the telcos would simply increase their own basic services charges and fold this E-rate into those charges. But a sufficient number of the telcos chose instead to itemize their bills. There was the E-rate, clear as day. All I ask of you is: Follow the Heritage link: http://www.heritage.org/ and read for yourself(ves) the evidence they have. Take that evidence under advisement in deciding whether this is yet another variation on an urban legend--or the real McCoy, and a blatantly unconstitutional attempt by a quasi-legislative agency to lay and collect a tax (technically, an excise). Take this under advisement as well, if you please: Sometimes an urban legend can act as the stalking horse for the real thing. Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:53:36 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: A REPUBLICAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY (fwd) On Feb 24, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A recipe for putting prosperity first -- and reaping the cultural dividends later. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Given a choice, I'd rather be undergoverned. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Williams To: David L. Williams Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: A REPUBLICAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for 2/24/99 http://www.nationalreview.com/ by Ramesh Ponnuru and John J. Miller A REPUBLICAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY A year ago, Richard Nadler wrote in our pages ("Stocks Populi," March 9, 1998) about the massive expansion of the stockholding class and about the possible political consequences of that expansion. As the number of Americans involved in capital markets, and the extent of their involvement, increased, he speculated, so would the constituency for free markets. Interestingly, changes in the demographic profile of investors during the '90s mirrored changes in the composition of the Republican electorate. (The puzzling uptick in the Republicans' share of voters over age 60 in the last election, for instance, coincided with the end of the historic pattern in which investors began to draw down their assets around that age.) But it remained frustratingly difficult to determine whether stockholding was an independent variable affecting political behavior or merely a proxy for other factors such as income, race, or sex. There isn't much evidence on the question. But in a forthcoming paper for the Cato Institute, Nadler presents some evidence for the independent-variable thesis. He draws on a January survey of the public by Rasmussen Research that broke down the results among 6,400 respondents to two simple questions-party affiliation and stance on a capital-gains tax cut-not only by race, sex, etc., but by whether the respondent owned more than $5,000 in stocks, bonds, and mutual funds. Unsurprisingly, owning a portfolio increased a person's likelihood of favoring a capital-gains tax cut from 45.9 to 65.7 percent, and increased support was found among 43 of the 44 demographic groups. More strikingly, the likelihood of being a Republican rose from 27.1 to 37.9 percent, and this effect obtained among 42 of the 44 groups. Among married men without portfolios, for instance, the Republican-Democrat breakdown is 31.8 to 33.2 percent; among married men with portfolios, it's 41.3 to 28.6: a 7.1 percent swing to the Republicans. Among people making between $20,000 and $40,000 a year, portfolio ownership made for a 7.8 percent swing in favor of the GOP. Among blacks, there was a 15.1 percent swing. Outreach, anyone? In his NR article, Nadler argued that Republicans' interest probably lay in promoting policies that appealed to the new investors as a constituency and that increased the width and depth of the class. In the same issue, Ramesh Ponnuru used this point as one argument for a Republican tax policy that moved incrementally toward a universal IRA in which people could invest toward homeownership, their children's education, health expenses, and their retirement with no taxes on the accumulating balances. This turns out to be wrong. As Nadler reports in a draft of the Cato paper, Gallup surveyed investor-class preferences on taxes for PaineWebber in April 1997. Investors favored a capital-gains tax cut, of course, with support rising along with portfolio size. President Clinton's tax credit for college was also popular, especially among small investors and young investors. But universal IRAs, with 82 percent support and 10 percent opposition among investors, were more popular than either the capital-gains tax cut or targeted credits with both small and large investors. Incrementalism turns out to be unnecessary; these investors are ready to dispense with intermediate steps like education savings accounts and go for the full-blown policy. If Republicans offer this constituency nothing but opposition to Clinton's USA Accounts, however, they will be throwing away support that should naturally be theirs. A final thought: There have been increasing murmurings on the social Right that maybe all this prosperity isn't such a good thing. Let us only note that much of our current prosperity is bound up with the expansion of the investing class; and that in their economic behavior and their self-reports of their motives for this behavior, these new investors are displaying frugality, a long-term orientation, and a concern for their children and parents. Investors are more likely to be married, homeowners, have a stake in the community, etc. If we still place any value whatsoever on bourgeois virtues, we should be not just exploiting this trend but celebrating it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #217 *************************