From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #224 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:56:45 -0800 From: skip Subject: [Fwd: Safety Bulletin?] I can't vouch for the validity of this, but it can't hurt to keep it in mind in a society teeming with sickos. Skip. > > Subject: Safety Bulletin > For your information, a couple of weeks ago, in a Dallas > movie theater, a person sat on something sharp in one of the > seats. When she stood up to see what it was, a needle was > found poking through the seat with an attached note saying, > "you have been infected with HIV." The Centers for Disease > Control in Atlanta reports similar events have taken place > in several other cities recently. All of the needles tested > HAVE been positive for HIV. The CDC also reports that > needles have been found in the coin return areas of pay > phones and soda machines. Everyone is asked to use extreme > caution when confronted with these types of situations. All > public chairs should be thoroughly but safely inspected > prior to any use. A thorough visual inspection is > considered the bare minimum. Furthermore, they ask that > everyone notify their family members and friends of the > potential dangers, as well. Thank You. > > The previous information was sent from the Dallas Police > Department to all of the local governments in the Washington > area and was interdepartmentally dispersed. We were all > asked to pass this to as many people as possible. > > Barbara Gaskins Wallace > National Naval Medical Center > Patient Administration > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:05:35 -0600 From: Ira Wilsker Subject: HOAX - Re: Fwd: Safety Bulletin? This is a well documented URBAN LEGEND (HOAX). Look at the HOAXES AND URBAN LEGENDS on my radio show website at: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/klvi.htm or direct to: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa110498.htm?pid=2733&cob=home or http://korova.com/virus/hoax981128.htm or any of the other comprehensive hoax directories >> Subject: Safety Bulletin >> For your information, a couple of weeks ago, in a Dallas >> movie theater, a person sat on something sharp in one of the >> seats. When she stood up to see what it was, a needle was >> found poking through the seat with an attached note saying, >> "you have been infected with HIV." The Centers for Disease Ira Wilsker iwilsker@ih2000.net ICQ: 1641171 International Conf. on Police Sciences http://www.ih2000.net/ira/sharjah.htm Law Enforcement Page: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/ira.htm Weather Page: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/bmt-wth.htm HEAR my radio show LIVE 10-11am Central Thurs. at http://klvi.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:36:06 -0800 From: "Harry Barnett" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Safety Bulletin?] Sigh....This is a hoax. These scenarios, in one form or the other, has been making the rounds for several years now. It sucks a lot of people in, and the more plausible it is, the more it sucks in. Nobody has been infected from sitting down in a theatre, or sticking their fingers in change slots, in spite of all the 'harrumphing' about the CDC says this and the Dallas Police say that. These hoaxes get copied and propagated by organizations and people who should know better and who should verify this stuff before they repeat it, e.g., >> Barbara Gaskins Wallace >> National Naval Medical Center >> Patient Administration (Is she even a real person?) Do a net search on 'hoax' and/or "urban folklore" for pointers to a number of sites which debunk this kind of stuff. OTOH, while it still doesn't hurt to stay alert about such things, stay in "Condition Yellow" as it were, you shouldn't let it ruin your whole day. The real "sickos" are the freaks who get their jollies from seeing people uptight and nervous about the possibility of such things. They are the ones who start these hoaxes, and may every tooth in their fall out but one, and in that one they should get a toothache. You can ruin their day by going ahead and having a good one yourself. - -Harry - -----Original Message----- From: skip To: roc@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: [Fwd: Safety Bulletin?] >I can't vouch for the validity of this, but it can't hurt to >keep it in mind in a society teeming with sickos. > >Skip. > >> >> Subject: Safety Bulletin >> For your information, a couple of weeks ago, in a Dallas >> movie theater, a person sat on something sharp in one of the >> seats. When she stood up to see what it was, a needle was >> found poking through the seat with an attached note saying, >> "you have been infected with HIV." The Centers for Disease >> Control in Atlanta reports similar events have taken place >> in several other cities recently. All of the needles tested >> HAVE been positive for HIV. The CDC also reports that >> needles have been found in the coin return areas of pay >> phones and soda machines. Everyone is asked to use extreme >> caution when confronted with these types of situations. All >> public chairs should be thoroughly but safely inspected >> prior to any use. A thorough visual inspection is >> considered the bare minimum. Furthermore, they ask that >> everyone notify their family members and friends of the >> potential dangers, as well. Thank You. >> >> The previous information was sent from the Dallas Police >> Department to all of the local governments in the Washington >> area and was interdepartmentally dispersed. We were all >> asked to pass this to as many people as possible. >> >> Barbara Gaskins Wallace >> National Naval Medical Center >> Patient Administration >> > > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:37:41 -0800 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: [Fwd: Safety Bulletin?] At 09:56 AM 3/22/1999 -0800, skip wrote: >I can't vouch for the validity of this, but it can't hurt to >keep it in mind in a society teeming with sickos. > >Skip. > >> >> Subject: Safety Bulletin >> For your information, a couple of weeks ago, in a Dallas >> movie theater, a person sat on something sharp in one of the >> seats. When she stood up to see what it was, a needle was >> found poking through the seat with an attached note saying, >> "you have been infected with HIV." The Centers for Disease >> Control in Atlanta reports similar events have taken place >> in several other cities recently. All of the needles tested >> HAVE been positive for HIV. This is a known Urban Legend; it never happened. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, ... or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." "The Living Thoughts of Thomas Jefferson", pp.46 - 47, Presented by John Dewey - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 19:23:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 3/22 (fwd) On Mar 22, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] These communiques are TRUE education. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ You don't fix your mistakes by repeating them. - -----Original Message----- From: EducIntel@aol.com To: EducIntel@aol.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: EIA Communique - 3/22 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 March 22, 1999 + "NEA policy requires UniServ staff to implement =91a policy of noninterference in the internal political affairs of local and state associations.' In practice, this wall of separation between staff and sta= te is often breached." =97 from NEA Confidential, page 38. The February 15 EIA Communiqu=E9 reported that NEA would put together a t= ask force "to develop a national strategy against the privatization of publi= c schools." Such a move was not out of character, as NEA and its affiliates= have long opposed The Edison Project and other private firms that contract to = run public schools. The timing, however, was curious, since there have been r= umors floating around about NEA and its California state affiliate, the Califor= nia Teachers Association, seeking a d=E9tente of sorts with Edison on charter schools. Lacking any confirmation, EIA did not report those rumors, but they evide= ntly had substance, because the California Staff Organization (the union of CT= A professional staffers, including UniServ directors) took a formal positio= n to "direct its members to resign from any CTA task force, committee, or work= group which may endorse collaboration with, or advocate for, the Edison Project= ." CSO then formed its own "Charter Schools Task Force" and promised to "org= anize against the Edison Project at the CTA State Council and elsewhere." The chances that CTA leaders were going to do any collaborating with, or advocating for, The Edison Project, were beyond the realm of possibility.= But whatever unofficial, tentative steps CTA made in that vague, general dire= ction were enough to set off staff alarms. The CTA Board of Directors has since voted that "no policy changes relative to privatization should be implemented." + Voters in Polk County, Iowa, defeated a referendum to add one cent to = the sales tax to fund school building repairs and refurbishment. Des Moines s= chool officials and teacher union leaders lobbied hard for the measure, trying = to avoid thoughts of what would happen if it failed. "Plan B is disaster," s= aid Des Moines Superintendent Eric Witherspoon, adding that the vote would determine "the future of this city for the next 100 years." The business community also provided support. "There is no way in the world that we'll continue to have a healthy Des Moines [if the measure fails]," said Steve Chapman, chairman of the Greater Des Moines Chamber of Commerce's board o= f directors. Among the opponents of the tax increase was the Iowa Labor Federation, AF= L- CIO, who argued that sales taxes are regressive, having a proportionally greater impact on the poor. But there were other reasons. "They began tal= king about leaking roofs, now they're talking about air conditioning in school= s," federation President Mark Smith told the Des Moines Register. "If I was g= oing to be gone from my home all summer, I wouldn't need air conditioning." The measure lost by 46 votes, out of more than 66,000 cast. Pro-tax supporters expect that repairs will now have to come from the general fun= d, which, according to the Register, "would anger teachers and stir labor unrest." + Delegates to the state convention of the Florida Teaching Profession-N= EA will not only have to decide whether to merge with the AFT-affiliated Flo= rida Education Association, they will also vote up or down on a $15 annual sta= te dues increase, targeted for a $1.2 million public relations campaign. The convention will be held May 13-15 in Tampa. + Union dues will also be a major issue in South Dakota, where the South Dakota Education Association has been experiencing financial difficulties. State dues will rise $11 this year and SDEA officials will attempt to pas= s a by-law to add automatic 4 percent dues increases every year. SDEA's opera= tions are heavily subsidized by NEA. + First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton will appear before the annual conven= tion of the New York State United Teachers on April 22. She will accept the un= ion's Albert Shanker Distinguished Service Award. Mrs. Clinton's appearance at = the convention fueled speculation that she will run for a U.S. Senate seat in= New York. NYSUT, an AFT affiliate which is the dominant teachers' union in Ne= w York, is very likely to support a Clinton candidacy. + I'm afraid we just missed the deadline, but the California Teachers Association had been taking suggestions for what to put in a time capsule= , which is to be buried on the site of its new headquarters building in Burlingame. I'm sure communiqu=E9 readers have their own suggestions. Sen= d them here and I'll publish the best (clean) ones in a future issue. + Ooops. The 3/1 EIA Communiqu=E9 placed the Shawnee Mission and Blue Va= lley School Districts in Missouri, when they are actually located in Kansas. E= IA accepts its "F" for geography this month. + Quote of the Week #1 : "I'm confused why my friends who are civil engi= neers make more than I do. I just have to say I'm going to quit if you don't do something." =97 Third-year teacher Lori Scobie, speaking at a rally for increased pay in Everett, Washington. + Quote of the Week #2 : "Teachers are much like every other professiona= l group in Wisconsin and the rest of the United States today. If they aren'= t improving their skills and becoming more accountable to the =91customers'= they serve, they're losing ground. Status quo is not an option for lawyers, co= llege professors, accountants or any other professionals. So why should it be f= or teachers?" =97 Tom Still, associate editor of the Wisconsin State Journal= in Madison. + Quote of the Week #3 : "In most other careers, you have at least the o= ption of asking for a raise, and if you perform well you can get a bonus or promotion. That just doesn't happen in teaching." =97 California music te= acher David Cameron, talking to the Sacramento Bee about his job. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, ana= lysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 23:01:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: New Book There's a new book out by Amity Shayes(sp?) called, "The Greedy Hand: How Taxes Drive Americans Crazy, (and what to do about it). Sounds like a good one. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Kosovo Monday, March 22, 1999 Washington Post R. Jeffrey Smith and Peter Finn Yugoslav troops kill 10 men after door-to-door search Srbica, Yugoslavia - Yugoslav troops searching door-to-door over the weekend for supporters of ethnic Albanian sparatists detained and killed 10 men here Saturday, including a father and his four sons, witnesses said. The reported slayings - borne out to physical evidence at two locations - were among many signs visable yesterday of the toll of a two-day government offensive in central Kosovo. Scores of homes billowed black and gray smoke in nearly a dozen villages in the region, as the number of new refuges swelled to an estimated 44,000. The primary goal of the Army and Interior Ministry troops, including special forces units in white uniforms with black face masks, is apparently to pus the Kosovo Liberation Army and its supporters out of the Drenica region. [deletions here, as I am sick of typing - one paragraph on NATO threatened airstrikes to punish atrocities] According to the acounts of three witnesses in Srbica, a city of 20,000, special forces units on Saturday detained Ali Gashi, his four sons, and three neighbors, and marched the men at gunpoint up a hill overlooking this city and into a small gully with their hands clasped behind their heads. After 20 minutes discussion, the troops shot their prisoners, witnesses said. The witnesses said Interior Ministry troops, wearing surgical gloves removed the bodies. Yesterday pools of blood and bits of skull and brain matter were still splashed across mud and leaves at the site. A discarded surgical glove lay nearby. [article continues for three paragraphs detailing killing of two other men found hiding in a farmhouse, some discussion of negotiations] regards, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:26:52 +600 From: "Chuck S" Subject: 1934 Group to challenge CLEO certification for C3 firearms Please Repost where it might do some good. Feel free to copy and leave at your local gun shop or gun shows. Friends, I am posting this to inform you of a grass roots initiated legal action, which seeks to overturn the "CLEO Certification" requirement for individual ownership of machineguns and other "NFA Firearms." I believe this effort will be successful but donations are needed NOW! For those of us who truly believe that the Second Amendment "ain=92t about duck hunting," this represents a solid opportunity to actually win a round in the fight to restore our rights. Background This may come as a surprise to some of you, but private ownership by individuals of machineguns, short-barreled shotguns or rifles, suppressors, destructive devices, and AOWs (Any Other Weapon =96 pen guns, some short shotguns and the like) is perfectly legal, except where otherwise prohibited by State law or local ordinance (This leaves you Californians out, btw). Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA34) such firearms (a.k.a. Title II, Class 3, or NFA firearms) became regulated via a federal tax (similar to liquor taxes). For most NFA firearms the tax is $200 and for AOWs the tax is $5. (See Note 1). In order for an individual to make or obtain an NFA firearm (See Note 2), the tax payment is sent with two copies of a) ATF Forms 1, 4, or 5, b) recent photographs and c) fingerprint cards to BATF. All this is very similar to the paperwork requirements for obtaining a concealed handgun license in those states that have "shall-issue" CCW laws. But guess what? There=92s one additional "gotcha" in this process. On the back of the ATF forms is a section entitled "LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFICATION" and this turns out to be the spoiler for most people interested in NFA Firearms. Currently, ATF will not approve a transfer (i.e. will not accept the tax payment) unless this section of the form is filled out and signed by the "chief law enforcement officer" (CLEO) having jurisdictional authority (to issue or serve a criminal warrant) for the applicant. The CLEO certification states that the person signing has "no information that the transferee will use the firearm=85for other than lawful purposes=85" and that "the receipt and/or possession of the firearm=85would not place the transferee in violation of State or local law." Sounds simple, right? It turns out that Police Chiefs and Sheriffs, particularly in urban areas, will simply not sign the certification. They are not legally bound to, nor does it make much political sense for them to do so (to them anyway). For those of you out there who are on good terms with your sheriff, police chief, district attorney, or district criminal judge =96 then good for you. At least 'til the next election. For the rest of you, this means you probably aren=92t "allowed" to obtain some of the most interesting and unique firearms available in the world. Too bad. By the way, unlawful possession of one of these things can get you 10 years in club fed and $100,000 lighter in the bank account. Not recommended for the entertainment value. Fortunately, there may be some relief on the horizon. 1934 Group The 1934 Group is a non-profit corporation established to take on legal issues in the NFA arena. It is entirely donor supported. Donations are NOT tax-deductible because this IS a lobbying organization. The corporation was organized after several months of brainstorming and data gathering by an informal group of individuals, dealers, and manufacturers in the NFA world who realized that none of the "mainstream" gun rights organizations were fighting their fight. So they decided to do something about it. Attorneys Jim Jeffries III and Steven Halbrook have agreed to pursue a case to overturn the CLEO certification requirement - Provided that the 1934 Group, through its contributors, supplies the financial ammo to see this through. These two highly respected attorneys need no introduction to those of us active in the fight to preserve the Second Amendment. To date, hundreds of individuals or their companies have pledged thousands of dollars to get this started. Thousands of dollars more will be required to see it through and I urge you to provide support for this effort through your own financial contributions and by spreading the word. Donations in personal or company check, money order (Please make a notation on the "memo" field of your check if you prefer to stay anonymous to the CL3 community) or cash can be sent to: 1934 Group 12701 NE 9th PL Suite #D312 Bellevue, WA 98005 For more information, check out the 1934 Group web site at http://www.teleport.com/~dkw/1934WWW.htm _Small Arms Review_ publisher Dan Shea has written about the 1934 Group and their efforts in the March issue of that magazine, which by the way is THE journal to have for those interested in, or involved with, the NFA community. See http://www.smallarmsreview.com/ Jim Jeffries, in a letter to Dan Shea, has outlined the case by the 1934 Group. The letter is posted on James Bardwell=92s web site at: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/cleo_lawsuit/jeffries_shea_letter.txt So there, now I=92ve said it. Here=92s an opportunity to win one again. For those gun owners who believe this doesn=92t affect them, well, all I can do is paraphrase Franklin - We must hang together in this fight, or surely we=92ll hang separately. Oh, and I don=92t duck hunt either. But without folks like us, the duck hunters will be toast eventually. And for those of you who will protest that this effort is wrong because it doesn=92t go far enough (NFA34 is un-Constitutional and all that=85), I hear you and trust me, you're preachin' to the choir. But the law is what it is, regardless of eloquent arguments to the contrary. So I choose, for now, to fight this particular battle within that context. Finally, I have no financial stake in any of this except that if we win, my boys might get to keep some of their daddy's guns. Thanks for your time. Chuck S Spring, Texas March 23, 1999 Note 1: For an interesting and enlightening take on NFA34, take some time to read _Unintended Consequences_, by John Ross. Note 2: Unlicensed individuals may not obtain machineguns manufactured after May 1986, but this is a battle for another time. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 14:15:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Lockyer vs. Law-abiding gun owners (fwd) On Mar 23, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Here we go again. Sounds like the Australia model. Huck > Subject: CA - ALERT - Law Enforcement Needs To Hear From You on > ab-23 > > California NRA Members'Council > > CalNRA Alert: SB-23 is getting hot and we > need your help! > March 21, 1999 > > In December 1998, Attorney General Lockyer created the Assault Weapon > Task > Force. The purpose of the task force was to make recommendations to the > California Legislature and Governor Davis on what exactly should be > incorporated into SB-23, California's latest semi-automatic rifle ban > bill. > We'll get to some of the players on this task force shortly. First > though, based on the meetings held by the task force here were the items > discussed, though no formal recommendations have been submitted as of > yet: > 1. Exempt all tube fed .22 rimfire rifles. Magazine fed .22 > rimfire rifles would not be exempt. > 2. Exempt all antique firearms and their "feeding devices". > 3. Ban the future possession, sale and manufacture of magazines > which are > capable of holding more than 10 rounds. The movie industry and law > enforcement "duty" firearms should be exempt. Personally owned firearms > and magazines of law enforcement officers should not be exempt. > 4. Either > 18 months after SB23 became law, or 12 months after the Dept of Justice > published regulations on how to "permanently" alter magazines - > possession > should be a misdemeanor. Retired peace officers and concealed carry > weapons permit holders should be prohibited from possessing or carrying > magazines that were capable of holding more than 10 rounds. > 5. Possession of multiple loaded magazines holding a combined > total of > more than 10 rounds should be a crime. The scope of this recommendation > is so broad that it would include target shooting on private property > with > permission of the owner. > 6. Make "features" that cause a firearm to be classified as an > "assault > weapon" correspond more closely with the federal definition. There was a > great deal of discussion about how to describe "pistol grips", etc. but > seemingly no closure. > > Needless-to-say, the discussion of an assault weapon extends well beyond > that of semi-auto rifles. It essentially identifies any firearm, > including handguns, with more than a 10 round capacity as an assault > weapon. Police officers and retirees are obviously not to be trusted any > more than "ordinary" citizens. > Here's the part that stinks. The majority of the members of the task > force were made up of County Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police from various > cities and counties in California. > The leadership of the men and women on the streets are truly gun banners > on the first order. Make no mistake about it. Their proposals go well > beyond even SB23 in its current state. Some or all of the task force > proposals could end up in SB23 which would make the law so convoluted, > mere ownership could be cause for arrest and confiscation. One member of > the task force acknowledged the problem and simply said, "Arrest them all > and let the courts sort it out". That very attitude of elected law > enforcement officials is why we need your help this week. Starting March > 28, the County Sheriffs of California will hold their annual > meeting. No doubt one of the subjects will be gun control. Certainly > most > County Sheriffs will be there, most of whom welcome gun bans. > Additionally, the two top police associations that represent the > police/sheriff leadership (not the rank and file) will be present. We > fully expect Governor Davis to address the group along with Attorney > General Bill Lockyer. Also attending will be the California District > Attorneys' Association. Anyone that is who's who in California's > criminal > justice system will be attending. > This presents us with an ideal opportunity to make an impact at this all > important meeting just prior to significant commitee debate in the > legislature. We want you to make six phone calls, some of which are > local > in your community. The six numbers you need to call (see listing below) > are to your County Sheriff, Governor Gray Davis, Attorney General Bill > Lockyer, the California District Attorneys' Association, California > Police > Chiefs' Association and finally the California Sheriffs' Association. We > need as many people to call as possible with the message to oppose Senate > Bill 23, the semi-automatic rifle ban, aka "assault weapon ban". Spread > this far and wide on the internet. We want the leadership of California > to > meet at the annual sherrifs meeting asking each other the question; "What > in the world happened?" We want you to bury these people in calls this > week. We want every phone answerer from the county sheriff to Governor > Gray Davis' office to come down with a pair of cauliflower ears. We want > you to make it clear in no uncertain terms that the line is being drawn > and starts now. If there was ever a critical time to make a phone call > this is it. This will not be the last effort we will ask you to make > this > legislative session or even on this particular bill. It is only the > first > of no doubt several that we need over the next couple of months. > However, > we need to plant the seeds now in order to get SB23 changed so that it is > benign or dumped. Gov. Davis does not want a big controversy at the > onset > of his term. He will back down on implementing extraordianarly > controversial legislation. But, the citizens need to be vocal. We need > to > give him something to think about and we need to give our county sheriffs > even more to think about. They have all been but immune from public > outrage and it's time to put the fear of the electorate into them. > Your help is absolutely essential and it must be done by Friday, March 26 > for it to be effective. > Here are the numbers to call for your community. Please make the calls. > County Sheriffs Visit - http://www.calnra.org/sheriffs.html Governor Gray > Davis' local field office phone numbers > numbers as of 3/20/1999 > Sacramento (916) 445-2841 > Fresno (209) 445-5295 > Irvine (714) 553-3566 (may be recording only, try it and see) Los Angeles > (213) 897-0322 > Riverside (909) 680-6860 > San Diego (619) 525-4641 > San Francisco (415) 703-2218 > Washington D.C. (202)624-5270 > > Attorney General Bill Lockyer's Field Offices > Sacramento (916) 324-5437 > Los Angeles (213) 897-2000 > San Francisco (415) 356-6298 > San Diego (619) 645-2001 > > California District Attorneys' Association > Lawrence Brown, Executive Director (916) 443-2017 > California Police Chiefs' Association > Amy Frees, Assistant to the Executive Director (916) 263-0541 > California Sheriffs' Association > Sue Muncy, Executive Director (916) 448-4242 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:20:07 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Fratrum: Re: Lockyer vs. Law-abiding gun owners (fwd) On Tuesday, March 23, 1999 2:15 PM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Mar 23, Huck wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > Here we go again. Sounds like the Australia model. > > Huck > Just out of curiosity, could someone explain why instead of always reacting gun owners do not take the offensive and put at least one innitative on the ballot in each election to undo all of this evil done by our elected representatives. Most of the time initiatives do what they should and make the power structure just furious Jack - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:05:49 -0600 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Re: New Book Bill Vance wrote: > > There's a new book out by Amity Shayes(sp?) called, "The Greedy Hand: How > Taxes Drive Americans Crazy, (and what to do about it). Sounds like a good > one. The author is Amity Shlaes, a member of the editorial board of the _Wall_Street_Journal. Laissez Faire is selling the book for $22.95 (Book Number CU7977; hardcover; 255 p.) A review is given on p. 6 of their latest (April 1999) catalogue. Their web site is at: http://laissezfaire.org/ HTH. - --Bob in Mississippi State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 22:57:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Pearls (fwd) On Mar 23, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] PEARLS * It pays to learn from your mistakes. * It pays a lot better to learn from other people's mistakes -- it's less painful, more entertaining, and offers an accelerated curriculum because they make more mistakes more frequently than you do. * "Father Knows Best" was a comedy, not a parable. * An idiot in a good mood is still an idiot. * People can't read your mind. * You can't read theirs, either. * It's probably just as well. * It's not wise to justify your paranoia by deliberately getting powerful people pissed off at you. * Not everyone can manage 100 cents into a dollar. * You don't fix your mistakes by repeating them. * Many people don't know that Hitler was kind to animals. * All you need to know about someone can be judged from how they treat the help. * When you're in a hole, stop digging. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 99 04:28:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Digest firearms-alert.v001.n539 (fwd) On Mar 24, Doug Spittler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From: Gun Owners of America >Subject: OR: Bryant's Sneak Attack >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:04:14 -0500 > >SENATOR NEIL BRYANT STICKS IT TO GUN OWNERS > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >Oregon March 22 1999 > > >SB 700, a bill created by anti-freedom extremist Senator Ginny >Burdick was passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Friday. > >SB 700 is designed to eliminate private transfers of firearms at gun >shows. > >Chairman Neil Bryant held an unannounced work session to slip this >bill through. > >Bryant, a member of the advisory board of "Oregon Gun Owners" proved >himself to be a committed enemy of gun owners by holding a work >session and vote when two of the three opponents of the bill, >Senators Eileen Qutub and Dave Nelson, were away on other business. > >Senator Veral Tarno, who had been considering supporting this bill, >listened to his constituents and voted NO-- but Bryant stacked the >deck. > >By waiting until Friday afternoon and having the vote when opponents >were away AND adding his own vote to this outrageous anti-gun, >anti-freedom bill, Bryant demonstrated what we've always contended. >It doesn't matter how many "pro-gun" groups he adds his name to, >Bryant is committed to destroying your Second Amendment rights. > >We're gratified that Senator Tarno voted NO on Friday, but Bryant >needs to know how you feel about his sneak attack on your rights. > >Bryant's tactics are beneath contempt. Holding a vote after an >unannounced work session when two of the key opponents of the bill >were away demonstrates that Bryant can't be trusted. > >Bryant assured Oregon Firearms Federation that after SB 700 he would >hold no future hearings on anti-gun bills. His actions on this bill >show his true agenda. > >Bryant needs to hear from you NOW. > >Tell Senator Bryant that your are disgusted by his shifty moves and >demand that he be true to his word: that he hold no more hearings on >bills which attack your rights. > >Senator Neil Bryant >S206 >State Capitol >Salem Oregon 97310 > >Phone 503-986-1727 >E-mail: bryant.sen@state.or.us >Toll free to all 1-800-332-2313 > > >************** > > >--------------- MESSAGE firearms-alert.v001.n539.2 --------------- > >From: Gun Owners of America >Subject: OR: Hearings On Vermont-Style Carry >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:16:55 -0500 > >VERMONT-STYLE CARRY TO BE HEARD ON MARCH 24, 1999 > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >Oregon March 22 1999 > >The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to hold hearings for the >"Vermont-Style" carry bill on Wednesday, March 24th. > >HB 2483, the "Vermont" bill, eliminates the requirement that you >have a government issued "license" to exercise your Constitutional >right to carry a handgun concealed. > >Last session, when we introduced this bill, we were told we "had no >chance" of even getting a hearing. But thanks to you and in spite of >the efforts of other "pro-gun" groups to kill it, we DID get >hearings and a tie vote in committee! > >This time we'll do better. > >If the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Kevin Mannix, votes in >favor of the bill, it will move to the House floor. That's because >with his vote, we have enough votes on that committee to guarantee >it. But he MUST hear from you. > >Representative Mannix must know that law-abiding Oregonians cherish >their liberty and want an end to the outrageous infringements that >the current "permit" system creates. > >Please contact Representative Mannix as soon as possible. Thank him >for holding hearings on HB 2483 and urge him to stand up for liberty >and vote in favor of the bill. > >Your actions last session are a big part of the reason >Representative Mannix decided to have hearings on the bill this >year. Your actions this year can make all the difference. > >Other "pro-gun" groups are not supporting HB 2483. It's up to us to >make it happen. > >Please call, fax or e-mail Representative Mannix right away and urge >him to vote in favor of 2483. > >Mannix's contact numbers are: > >Phone 503-986-1432 >Fax 503-986-1347 >E-mail: mannix.rep@state.or.us > >Now the bad news. On the same day, a hearing will be held in the >same committee on House Bill 2677, a "lock up your safety" bill. >This "one size fits all" legislation will make you a criminal if a >minor gains access to your gun. Please urge the members of the >Judiciary Committee to vote against this bill. In addition to >Mannix, the key votes on this committee are: > >Juley Gianella 503-986-1438 gianella.rep@state.or.us >Mark Simmons 503-986-1458 simmons.rep@state.or.us >Ron Sunseri 503-986-1422 sunseri.rep@state.or.us > >All legislators can receive messages at 1-800-332-2313 and faxes >at 503-986-1347. > >Ron Sunseri and Mark Simmons are co-sponsors of "Vermont" and Juley >Gianella has promised support. When you contact them remember to >thank them for their support of this important legislation. > >************** >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to >date information, please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail >Alert network directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the >volume of mail is quite low. To subscribe, simply send a message to >goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in >either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert >and ask to be removed. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #224 *************************