From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #229 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, April 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 229 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 04:14:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 4/12 (fwd) On Apr 12, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----Original Message----- From: EducIntel@aol.com To: EducIntel@aol.com Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 3:05 PM Subject: EIA Communique - 4/12 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 April 12, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + The first huge batch of copies of EIA's latest report, Measure for Meas= ure: A Magnified Look at Standardized Test Scores, has been put in the mail. T= he report ranks 34 states by the test scores of their black students, Hispan= ic students, American Indian students, urban students, low-income students, students of parents without a high school diploma, students of inexperien= ced teachers, and students of less-educated teachers, as well as addressing t= he questions of standardized test exclusion rates and per-pupil spending. As always, single copies are free. Please call about large orders. + In January, basketball legend Michael Jordan announced the launching o= f the Jordan Fundamentals education grants program. In a joint venture with= the National Foundation for the Improvement of Education (NFIE), The Jordan B= rand would make grants of up $2,500 to teachers to support their work with disadvantaged students. NFIE is a nonprofit, wholly-owned subsidiary of t= he National Education Association. The Jordan Brand is a wholly-owned divisi= on of Nike, Inc. Now certainly there is nothing wrong with Nike deciding to donate money to teachers. But under current circumstances, there was certainly something unusual about NEA, one of the nation's largest labor unions, agreeing to a joint venture with Nike, the leading target of union activi= sts across the U.S. and Southeast Asia. On February 1 EIA reported on this curiosity, and the time is ripe for an update. Nike is only now recovering from declining sales brought on by the Asian recession and criticism from labor groups. The Asian recession has abated somewhat but the pressure from labor groups seems to have intensif= ied. Protests against licensing agreements with Nike have erupted on American college campuses, prompting Nike to allow an independent monitor to inspe= ct a factory in Vietnam. "They're making a public relations move out of someth= ing they'd have to do anyway," Eric Brakken, a members of United Students Aga= inst Sweatshops told U.S. News & World Report. The left-wing magazine The Nati= on criticized the independent monitoring process, arguing that it allowed Ni= ke "far too much control." In such a climate, why would NEA sign on to a joi= nt venture with Nike? "We considered the issue very carefully before agreeing to do this program," NFIE Executive Director Judith Renyi told EIA. "We were convinc= ed of several things: that Michael Jordan himself wanted to do something to = help the neediest kids in America; that the new NFIE relationship with The Jor= dan Brand would open a new channel for dialogue between labor rights advocate= s and corporate America; and that this opportunity could be leveraged into meaningful action that supports this country's neediest children." EIA wi= ll continue to monitor the NEA-Nike relationship and its effect on NEA's standing in the American labor movement. + At its annual meeting in February, the California Staff Organization, = the staff union for professional employees of the California Teachers Association, considered an unusual resolution: "Be it resolved that: CSO urge CTA to lobby for additional state funding which would allow districts to pay beginning teachers a minimum o= f $40,000 per year, increasing to $80,000 per year within five (5) years an= d include a cost-of-living variable based on geography." After defeating a substitute motion which would have upped the $40,000 to $50,000 and the $80,000 to $100,000, the assembled union staff= ers defeated the motion in its entirety. But since CSO considered this to be = a serious proposal, let's treat it like one. Suppose California instituted the CSO plan. Currently, salaries and benefits of public school classroom teachers make up approximately 16.75%= of the state's total 1999-2000 budget. The boost to $80,000, along with a corresponding increase in benefits (otherwise no one would ever retire) w= ould increase the teachers share to 29% of the state budget. An increase to $100,000 would be a 36.3% share. Where would Gov. Davis cut 12.25% (or 19.55%) of the entire budget? Suggestions, CSO? OK, such deep budget cuts are likely to engender significant political opposition. So how about a tax increase to pay for it? CSO's "moderate" plan would require about a $276 per capita state tax increase. That's an additional $1,104 per year for a family of four. The more grand= iose plan would cost that family another $654 on top of that. And then there a= re the cost-of-living hikes. All of this also assumes that in the New World Order, principals are willing to work for less than teachers, many district superintendents are willing to work for less than teachers, and Gov. Davis is happy to scrape= by on his pay. Substitute pay becomes a big issue (can you pay a sub $75 a d= ay for replacing someone who makes $555 a day?). And there are the librarian= s, counselors and teachers' aides to think of -- never mind the college professors. Alternate suggestion: raise the pay of every California public school teacher to $215,500 per year. That, plus the benefits, would use up the state's entire $78.2 billion budget. But who will be around to sign the checks? + If you visited the EIA web-site on Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning, you already know that the Milwaukee Teachers Education Associati= on suffered a crushing defeat in the city's school board races. Five union-backed candidates, including three incumbents, were defeated handil= y, despite a heavy financial and manpower contribution from both MTEA and Pe= ople for the American Way. Union critic John Gardner took nearly 61% of the vo= te in the race for the only citywide board seat. "This is not a defeat for t= he MTEA," said Gardner. "It is a defeat for the six arrogant white men from = the suburbs who think they run the union. They are going to have to start listening to their members or look for new jobs." + Classified school employees in Harlan County, Kentucky, voted for unio= n representation last week. But they didn't choose an education union to bargain for them, they chose the United Mine Workers. I'll spare you any = of the two dozen or so wisecracks I could have put in here. + Quote of the Week #1: "Under this bill, any wacko, quasi-religious sec= t could open a school that taught English during first period and taught ho= w to bite the heads off chickens during second period." -- Steven Williams of = the Washoe County School District, testifying against a voucher plan for low-income students before the Nevada Senate's Human Resources and Facili= ties Committee. + Quote of the Week #2: "The moment you question the actions or contract= s of a public employees' union, you are a basher. You are a teacher-basher, a nurse-basher, a heartless basher of hard-working members of helping professions. You cannot ask whether the job is getting done without becom= ing a basher. This is not healthy for the state." -- Providence Journal-Bulle= tin columnist Julia Steiny. Do what I try to do, Julia. Embrace the basher wi= thin and continue to write the truth. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 04:16:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Off Topic-Clinton found in Contempt of Court. (fwd) On Apr 12, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/washington/story.html?s=v/ap/1999041 2/pl/clinton_contempt.html Judge Finds Clinton in Contempt By PEGGY HARRIS Associated Press Writer LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - A federal judge found President Clinton in contempt of court Monday for giving ``intentionally false'' testimony about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, imposing a historic judicial rebuke on a chief executive who survived congressional impeachment just two months ago. Historians said they believed Clinton was the first president to face such a penalty, a lasting stigma that could also force him to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to Paula Jones beyond the $850,000 he paid to settle her sexual harassment claims. U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright imposed a civil rather than a criminal penalty for Clinton's testimony in the Jones case, ordering him to pay Mrs. Jones ``any reasonable expenses including attorneys' fees caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders.'' The judge also ordered the president to pay $1,202 as reimbursement for the judge's travel in the case, and set in motion a legal process that could strip Clinton of his Arkansas law license. ``The record demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the president responded to plaintiff's questions by giving false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process,'' Wright wrote. Wright said she would delay enforcement for 30 days to give Clinton an opportunity to ask for a hearing or to appeal. One option is for him to use his legal defense fund, which has raised $4.5 million, to pay the sanction. John Whitehead, one of Mrs. Jones' lawyers, said the legal expenses could be ``tens of thousands of dollars.'' ``You have all the expenses related to seven lawyers who attended the deposition - air fares, the time spent there, the time preparing, meals, and what we believe was the cause and effect of the whole thing,'' said Whitehead, who runs a conservative legal group that paid some of Mrs. Jones' bills. Senior presidential aides, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Clinton lawyers regarded the penalty as relatively light because the judge had the option of imposing an immediate criminal contempt penalty of up to six months in prison or referring the president for possible prosecution. But the lawyers were keeping options open until they learned how large a monetary penalty Mrs. Jones might seek. ``I will have no comment until I have had the opportunity of reviewing this matter fully,'' said Robert Bennett, the private lawyer who represented Clinton in the Jones case. The ruling, a public reminder of the Lewinsky controversy at a time when national interest has turned to Kosovo and other matters, came just two months after the Senate voted to acquit Clinton of impeachment charges that grew out of the relationship and his denials of it. Rep. Asa Hutchinson, the Arkansas Republican who was one of the House prosecutors in the impeachment trial, said a ``nonpartisan and nonpolitical judge'' had found the president had willfully disobeyed court orders to be truthful and ``I have to underline the 'willful' part of her ruling.'' The office of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, whose investigation prompted the impeachment effort, declined comment Monday night. Whitehead said the ruling was ``a vindication'' for his client and the first time ``where the president was actually held accountable in the end.'' Clinton is believed to be the first chief executive to be found in civil contempt while in office, according to Robert Dallek, a historian at Boston University. ``It's not going to help Bill Clinton's historical reputation,'' Dallek said. Wright, a Bush-appointed Republican and a former law student of Clinton's, said in her ruling, ``The court takes no pleasure whatsoever in holding this nation's president in contempt of court.'' She also said her decision to dismiss the Jones case a year ago would not have changed, even if the president had been ``truthful with respect to his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.'' Mrs. Jones appealed the dismissal, but then she settled the case by accepting an $850,000 payment from Clinton. She alleged that Clinton, as Arkansas governor, made an unwanted sexual advance in a Little Rock hotel room in 1991. Wright said Mrs. Jones was entitled to information regarding any state or federal employee with whom the president had or proposed to have sexual relations. In his deposition in the Jones case, Clinton said: ``I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.'' After the president's DNA was found on a dress belonging to Ms. Lewinsky, he acknowledged an ``inappropriate intimate relationship'' with her before a federal grand jury last Aug. 17 - and again in a nationally televised address. Clinton said the relationship did not fall under the definition of ``sexual relations'' provided by Mrs. Jones' lawyers during his deposition, and that his testimony was legally accurate. Wright also is the judge who sent Susan McDougal, one of Clinton's Whitewater partners, to jail for 18 months for refusing to answer grand jury questions in Kenneth Starr's inquiry. The contempt ruling came the same day that a jury acquitted Mrs. McDougal of obstruction of justice and deadlocked on two contempt of court charges in a separate trial. In her decision Monday, the judge wrote, ``It is difficult to construe the president's sworn statements ... as anything other than a willful refusal to obey this court's discovery orders.'' ``Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false,'' said the judge. She directed Mrs. Jones' lawyers to submit a statement of their expenses and fees within 20 days. If Clinton decides not respond, the court will enter an order setting out the time and manner by which Clinton has to comply. In addition to the payment to Mrs. Jones, Clinton must reimburse the court for the judge's travel expenses in going to Washington at Clinton's request to preside over ``his tainted deposition'' on Jan. 17, 1998, she said. Wright also said she will refer the matter to the Arkansas Supreme Court's Committee on Professional Conduct to review any disciplinary action it thinks is appropriate, including action against Clinton's law license. She noted the Model Rules of Professional Conduct deem it misconduct for a lawyer to engage in conduct involving ``dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.'' [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Fratrum: Eagle Forum Kosovo Petition (fwd) > >I think we should be a lot more humble in our abilities to predict. > >Nothing I have seen from our best foreign policy analysts convices me they >know much about the future in detail. Foreign policies of other countries >are the big unknown -- how will they react to our actions? > >Nobody predicts our domestic policies very well, and so I don't think anyone >can predict the outcome of any action we take. > I agree that our predictive abilities are small. >If you can't predict, you should not prescribe. > Incorrect. Counter-example: No one could predict the outcome of the Cold War. A lot of evil was done under the auspices of the Cold War, but a greater evil was defeated: the Soviet Union was reduced from a world-model totalitarian state to a crumbling third-world kleptocracy (with nuclear weapons, of course). >This is part of the benefits of limited government. It prevents us from >doing >the same damn stupid things that govs have been doing for hundres of years, >for all of the same flawed reasons. > I believe that America is exceptionalist on four counts: a. willing to fight for an ideal of freedom abroad. b. willing to exemplify that ideal by incorporating various ethnic groups into our society under a common model of citizenship. c. unwilling to live under European model - high taxation, cradle-to-grave socialism. d. explicit rule of law protections for individual rights. I don't see a. and b. as contradicting c. and d. >We make enemies whenever we do anything in foreign affairs, and our internal >security gets more power and $ every time we have another terrorist >incident. > I agree with this last sentiment. We need to fight to preserve civil rights, limited policing, etc. at home. If we retreat into neo-isolationism, what reason do you have to believe that our rights will be eroded any slower? We have to fight internal battles for freedom, as well as external. >Ultimately, all of our do-goodism in foreign affairs (as well as domestic) >will cost us our freedom. > > ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: forward: Beware of feds bearing weapons THE SACRAMENTO BEE: Beware of feds bearing weapons Copyright =A9 1999 Scripps McClatchy Western Service (April 9, 1999 5:03 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Back in 1997, the San Joaquin (Calif.) valley town of Dinuba, population 15,269, eagerly accepted gifts of submachine guns and head-to-toe combat gear - all of it free surplus paramilitary equipment from the U.S. military. Dinuba used the material to set up its version of a SWAT team, called SET - Special Enforcement Team. Half of the city's 12-member police force joined the unit. In a recent report, the Los Angeles Times described how the gifts from the U.S. military, initially seen as a boon to law enforcement, turned out to be a fatal mistake. Responding to reports that a sawed-off shotgun used in an attempted murder was at a house in town, SET members wearing black masks and camouflage burst into a small house and surprised a 64-year-old farm worker and his wife, who were asleep in bed. The man jumped up and grabbed a folding knife. Invading officers, armed with MP-5 submachine guns, a favorite of the Navy Seals, shot him 15 times, killing him. The gun they sought, allegedly belonging to the farm worker's son, was never found. Last month, a federal jury in Fresno awarded the family $12.5 million in damages in a brutality suit filed against the city of Dinuba. The damages are more than twice Dinuba's annual budget; the city's insurance policy covers only $9.5 million. The city is appealing but regardless of the outcome of that appeal, the tragic incident has been a costly yet instructive lesson for Dinuba and police departments across the country. It shines a useful light on the dangers of police departments accepting free military hardware without the need, the training or the sophistication to use it. Peter Kraska, a professor of criminology who's written a study on the subject titled "Militarization of Mayberry and Beyond," told the Los Angeles Times that boredom was part of the problem. "You've got these neat little units with all this equipment and training and nothing is happening. So you start using them in situations where they aren't really needed, like routine search warrants." Bigger communities like Sacramento are not immune to the lure of free military hardware. In recent years, the Sacramento County Sheriff's department has received four helicopters, flight helmets, camouflage pants, gas masks and an armored personnel carrier. The county turned down an offer of 300 M-16 automatic rifles. "We discussed it and said 'no,"' Sacramento Sheriff Lou Blanas said. "We didn't need them and you run a risk when you have that much firepower all over." The county did recently accept six AR-15 semiautomatic rifles from the military for delivery to the new city of Citrus Heights. In Dinuba, meanwhile, the SET team has been disbanded. City fathers now say the town was too small to need a paramilitary unit. In the wake of Dinuba, other police departments around the country need to make their own assessments. What equipment do we really need to maintain law and order and what will get us into trouble? - ------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:49:38 -0700 From: skip Subject: Re: forward: Beware of feds bearing weapons John Curtis wrote: > > THE SACRAMENTO BEE: Beware of feds bearing weapons > I'm no fed defender, but characterizing this is a federal abuse of power is a larger abuse of the truth. This is Barney Fife, of Mayberry (Andy Griffith show) fame - over armed and suffering from small-town delusions of grandeur and heroism in a mob-psychology setting. These were all talk-no action Harry High School types who felt they had to prove themselves to their peers. No question that those folks were present at Waco and Ruby Ridge too, but not in Dinuba. Power corrupts at all levels of society. It may be more horrendous as the lowest most ignorant levels - as in Waco, Ruby Ridge, dragging a man to death behind a pickup, citizens arming themselves to the teeth for the 2nd American Revolution, etc. Skip - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: forward: Beware of feds bearing weapons > >No question that those folks were present at Waco and Ruby >Ridge too, but not in Dinuba. > >Power corrupts at all levels of society. It may be more >horrendous as the lowest most ignorant levels - as in Waco, >Ruby Ridge, dragging a man to death behind a pickup, citizens >arming themselves to the teeth for the 2nd American Revolution, >etc. > >Skip > I agree, mostly, with one caveat. I don't think it is a Fed problem, in this instance. I do think that the Fed agencies bear some responsibility for encouraging this SWAT team, black fatique, exotic weapons mentality. A Chief LEO that buys into it, certainly bears a lot of responsibility. I think that if you suit up, practice, and scrimmage you are sooner or later going to want to play in a real game. So the moral is: be careful what games you scrimmage for, 'cause you just might wind up creating them. ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:46:41 -0700 From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: forward: Beware of feds bearing weapons John Curtis wrote: > > I do think that the Fed agencies bear some responsibility for > encouraging this SWAT team, black fatique, exotic weapons > mentality. I think you're exactly right on this point John. If Andy Griffith told Barney Fife to form a local SWAT team, it would come out looking just like the Fed "big boys", but like the Dinuba gang, with no discipline or restraint - a shoot first, think later mentality. Come to think of it, that's a Fed characteristic too. Maybe it's the mob mentality that governs all of these outfits, made worse by the ski mask anonymity. Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 01:45:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton in SF Next Thursday !]] 11:00 A.M IN FRONT OF THE FAIRMONT HOTEL, SAN F (fwd) Don't forget your, "Sexual Predator Alert", signs etc. Hey, hey, William J., how many kids did you kill today? On Apr 13, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Fwd: Clinton in SF Next Thursday !]] 11:00 A.M IN FRONT OF THE FAIRMONT HOTEL, SAN FRANCISCO Date: 4/13/99 8:08:39 PM EST From: ccarter@mbay.net (charles carter/char carter) Reply-to: ccarter@mbay.net (charles carter/char carter) To: BASHURST@REDSHIFT.COM (STEVIE ASHURST) ACCORDING TO KSFO RADIO, CLINTON WILL BE ARRIVING IN FRONT OF THE FAIRMONT HOTEL IN SAN FRANCISCO AT 11:30 A.M. THIS THURS., APRIL 15TH. THERE WILL BE A HUGE PROTEST OF ANTI-CLINTON, ANTI-CLINTON'S WAR, ANTI-CLINTON AS OUR PRESIDENT, ETC. PLEASE BE THERE WITH YOUR SIGNS AT 11:00 A.M. TO ORGANIZE. PLEASE ROUTE THIS TO EVERY COLLEGE STUDENT AND FRIENDS IN CALIF. TO BE THERE, AS THEY ARE GOING TO BE DRAFTED FOR A WAR THAT WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF. PACK YOUR BUSSES, VANS AND TRUCKS AND PROTEST!!! >From: colbert2@earthlink.net >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:18:35 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: JAS@prado.com >Subject: [Fwd: Clinton in SF Next Thursday !] > > >******** FREE REPUBLIC ALERT !!! CLINTON IN SF NEXT WEEK !!! ******** > >Calling all San Francisco Bay Area FReepers! Yesterday, the following >news article announced that Clinton will be addressing the American >Society of Newspaper Editors' (A.S.N.E.) convention at the Fairmont >Hotel next week on Thursday, April 15 (time of day to be announced): > > >Orginally, the scheduled speaker was to be Gore but this has changed. >More info on A.S.N.E. and their SF convention is at: > 1999 ASNE Convention > >More information is posted in the Free Republic "activism" forum at: > Gentleman, Start Your Engines! Clinton Cu... > >For further updates, listen to KSFO Talk Radio (560 AM) and check back >with the Free Republic "activism" forum. You'll be updated by e-mail as >soon as the time of day is confirmed and also informed of any changes >that may occur. > >Where: > >Fairmont Hotel >950 Mason Street (corner of California Street, on Nob Hill) >San Francisco, California > >(415) 772-5000 > >When: > >Thursday, APRIL 15 > >A very large crowd is expected to be there and will include not only >FReepers, but the Serbian community and various anti-war groups as well >as the "Soccer Moms with a Brain" and others. This is our chance to >hammer away at both Clinton *and* the media! Clinton is trying to blow >the Cox Report and China scandals off the front pages and the evening >news with the war in Kosovo. Let's make some noise about the Missile >technology transfers to China, the illegal Chinese campaign >contributions, the PLA spies that have been allowed to infiltrate our >government and defense industry, and the danger this poses to our >country. The mainstream media has been a willing accomplice in this >cover-up of treason and should be brought to account for it. > >So mark APRIL 15 on your calendars, bring your signs and spread the >word! > >Fred /aka "Bonaparte" / SF Bay Area Free Republic - ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 02:11:10 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: forward: Beware of feds bearing weapons On Apr 13, Skip Leuschner wrote: >John Curtis wrote: > >> >> I do think that the Fed agencies bear some responsibility for >> encouraging this SWAT team, black fatique, exotic weapons >> mentality. > >I think you're exactly right on this point John. If Andy Griffith >told Barney Fife to form a local SWAT team, it would come out looking >just like the Fed "big boys", but like the Dinuba gang, with no >discipline or restraint - a shoot first, think later mentality. >Come to think of it, that's a Fed characteristic too. Maybe it's >the mob mentality that governs all of these outfits, made worse by >the ski mask anonymity. And made worse by the fact that they are allowed, nay encouraged, to rob and kill without having to pay for it. All that's left out is Rape; So far at that is. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:43:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: FL800 Journalist Convicted! (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:53:23 -0400 From: Ian Goddard To: dstern@copi.com Subject: FL800 Journalist Convicted! After a jury in Michigan did would it could do to ensure pain and suffering for the terminally ill by convicting Dr. Jack Kevorkian, another jury in New York just did what it could do to send the message to journalists that efforts to break the Flight 800 cover-up and provide America with a second opinion (other than the government's) about evidence in that case will not be tolerated. James Sanders and his wife were just convicted for James having accepted patches of seat cushion taken from the wreckage so that independent tests could be conducted so as to give the world a second opinion. Some argue: "But if someone has evidence proving it was a missile hit, why don't they bring it forward?" Right, I mean who wouldn't want to end up in jail? Info On The Federal War on James and Elizabeth Sanders: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/sanderscase.html The Residue Sanders Tested Was NOT Glue, As FBI/Media Claims: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/BASS/bassett.html http://www.multipull.com/twacasefile/residues.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2639/no_res.html ====================================================== Associated Press Report ====================================================== 2 Convicted in TWA Evidence Theft By Pat Milton Associated Press Writer Tuesday, April 13, 1999; 6:07 p.m. EDT UNIONDALE, N.Y. (AP) -- A self-styled investigative reporter and his wife were convicted Tuesday of stealing scraps of upholstery from the wreckage of TWA Flight 800 in an effort to prove his theory that the airliner was shot down by a Navy missile. A federal jury took two hours to convict James Sanders, 53, and his wife Elizabeth, 52, a former TWA training supervisor, of conspiracy and aiding and abetting the thefts. The couple from Williamsburg, Va., could get up to 10 years in prison when sentenced July 9. ``I'm shocked,'' Sanders said in a telephone interview after the verdict. ``I'm confident we will prevail. I'm more shocked for my wife, Liz.'' Sanders said he ``wouldn't have started down this road if I wasn't prepared to go to jail. It sends an incredible strong message to journalists.'' All 230 people aboard Flight 800 were killed when the Boeing 747 exploded over the Atlantic on July 17, 1996, just minutes after leaving New York's Kennedy Airport on a flight to Paris. The government has said the plane was destroyed by a fuel tank fire of as-yet unknown origin but has rejected sabotage, terrorism or ``friendly fire'' from the Navy. In newspaper articles and a 1997 book, ``The Downing of TWA Flight 800,'' Sanders claimed stains on seat upholstery taken from the plane were formed by missile fuel, bolstering his theory. The FBI said the stains were glue. The government's case relied heavily on the testimony of Terrell Stacey, a former TWA pilot who admitted helping Sanders by stealing crash-related documents and scraps of the seat covering from the hangar where investigators had reassembled the plane's wreckage. Stacey, who had flown the plane the day before the crash and was assigned by TWA to assist in the investigation, testified against the Sanderses in exchange for being allowed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor theft charge. Sanders' attorney, Bruce Maffeo, said he will appeal. He said Sanders was ``a journalist trying to get the truth out'' and made no attempt to hide the fact that the evidence was passed to him. ================ END OF AP REPORT ==================== ********************************************************** Visit Ian Williams Goddard -----> http://Ian.Goddard.net - ---------------------------------------------------------- GODDARD'S JOURNAL -> http://erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm __________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: WACO ON HBO SCHEDULE (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "206140826@worldnet.att.net" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WACO ON HBO SCHEDULE - --------------10792B9510D9CAF0DB4A13BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SomFord Entertainment update.... <...PLEASE PASS IT ON...> April 19, 1999 HBO Presents "One of the top ten films of the year" Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, The Minneapolis Star Tribune Oscar nominated Waco: The Rules of Engagement "An enthusiastic TWO THUMBS UP!!!" Siskel & Ebert "Photographic evidence that the FBI, contrary to its official assertions, fired on, then torched the Branch Davidian compound. A duzy of an investigative expose" The New York Times "The Only Truly Important Film of the Year. See it Now. You Will Never be the Same" San Francisco Bay Guardian In 1993, the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco, Texas burned down, killing 76 men, women and children. A congressional investigation ruled that the fire was an act of mass suicide-but others vehemently disagree. Nominated for a 1998 Oscar (R) for Best Documentary Feature, this film reveals the untold tragic story through archival footage and never-before-seen video and audio tapes-and casts doubts on the methods and motives of the federal agents who staged a 51-day war in Waco. Date Time Channel Mon, Apr 19 6:30 pm HBOHD East Mon, Apr 19 6:30 pm HBO East Mon, Apr 19 8:30 pm HBO Mtn Mon, Apr 19 9:30 pm HBOHD West Mon, Apr 19 9:30 pm HBO West Fri, Apr 30 8:00 am HBO West Fri, Apr 30 11:00 am HBOS East Want to know more? Reviews, FAQs, Discussion waco93.com/ somford@worldnet.att.net Press Kits and Interviews: Katie Lanegran Dish Communications, Inc. (818) 508-1000 FAX (818) 508-1193 dishpr@aol.com - --------------10792B9510D9CAF0DB4A13BB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

SomFord Entertainment update....

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April 19, 1999

HBO

Presents


"One of the top ten films of the year"
                                                         Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, The Minneapolis Star Tribune

Oscar nominated

Waco: The Rules of Engagement
"An enthusiastic TWO THUMBS UP!!!"
                                                          Siskel & Ebert

"Photographic evidence that the FBI, contrary to its official assertions, fired on, then torched the Branch Davidian compound. A duzy of an investigative expose"
                      The New York Times

"The Only Truly Important Film of the Year. See it Now. You Will Never be the Same"
                                                                                        San Francisco Bay Guardian
 

In 1993, the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco, Texas burned down, killing 76 men, women and children. A congressional investigation ruled that the fire was an act of mass suicide-but others vehemently disagree. Nominated for a 1998 Oscar (R) for Best Documentary Feature, this film reveals the untold tragic story through archival footage and never-before-seen video and audio tapes-and casts doubts on the methods and motives of the federal agents who staged a 51-day war in Waco.
 

                                    Date                       Time             Channel

                                    Mon, Apr 19            6:30 pm        HBOHD East
                                    Mon, Apr 19            6:30 pm        HBO East
                                    Mon, Apr 19            8:30 pm        HBO Mtn
                                    Mon, Apr 19            9:30 pm        HBOHD West
                                    Mon, Apr 19            9:30 pm        HBO West
                                    Fri, Apr 30               8:00 am        HBO West
                                    Fri, Apr 30              11:00 am       HBOS East
 


Want to know more?
Reviews, FAQs, Discussion
waco93.com/
somford@worldnet.att.net



Press Kits and Interviews:

Katie Lanegran
Dish Communications, Inc.
(818) 508-1000  FAX (818) 508-1193
dishpr@aol.com
 
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