From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #233 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, April 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 233 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 08:39:49 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Boycott Sponsors of Rosie O'Donnell (fwd) On Apr 23, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Paul W. Moog wrote: > > Subject: Rosie O'Donnell boycott info > Date: 22 Apr 1999 13:04:32 -0400 > From: jarbytwo@inverse.net (Jay Arby) Newsgroups: rec.guns, talk.politics.guns > > These are some of her main advertisers for the April 21 show attacking our rights to own firearms. Campbell's is a BIG advertiser. For those who don't know, Rosie O'Donnell ran a seriously anti-rights show on Wednesday, 4/21. She had Carolyn McCarthy >I am hoping that all of us out there boycott her show, but more importantly, her advertisers. I called my local station manager and he told me that they would never cancel Rosie - apparently, she's super- popular. I told him that I would talk to the advertisers and he admitted that that was the best thing to do (I give the guy credit for honesty.) At any rate, pleae PLEASE let these advertisers know that you don't want your money paying for this propaganda! - --------------------------------------- Dear Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, I have written a letter which, if you care to cut and paste into the corporate e-mail forms, will make it easier for you to let these corporations who are supporting Rosie O'Donnell and HCI know that they cannot kow-tow to the Left and use our cash to attack our own rights. Of course, you may write your own letters, but if nothing else, do contact them and let them know that 70 million Americans and Constitutional Rights are not something to be toyed with lightly. In liberty, Rick V. - --------------------------------------------------- Boycott Announcement - Sponsors of Rosie O'Donnell Attn: The Campbell Soup Company http://www.campbellsoup.com Chiquita Brands Int'l Inc. http://www.chiquita.com Hormel Foods Corporation http://www.hormel.com Papa John's Int'l Inc http://www.papajohns.com Dear Ladies & Gentlemen of the Above-mentioned Companies, You are American corporations enjoying the benefits and protections of the laws and the Constitution under which this nation was founded. Most importantly for the purposes of this letter, you derive substantial profit from customers like ourselves. It is when you take the profits that you make whenever we buy your products and then devote them to a purpose that attacks and subverts Constitutional Rights that we draw the line and refuse to buy from you. We, American gunowners, of which there are over 70 million, and who often communicate by way of the internet, are furious that your profits are being used to support the Rosie O'Donnell show. Rosie O'Donnell has taken it upon herself on 04/21/1999 to use her show as a platform to attack the very basic and very essential right to self-defense, i.e. the Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Be advised, that until we see you withdraw your support for O'Donnell's attack on the Constitution, the very embodiment of Freedom in this nation, we can only guess that you agree with her stance. That being the case, we hereby boycott your products. Many of us are law enforcement officers, active duty military personnel, veterans, or their spouses or relatives and pay the very harsh price for these liberities, which are not to be squandered lightly. It makes no sense for us to pay good money to destroy what many are putting our lives on the line to defend. Very truly yours, The Men and Women Defenders of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA - ---------------------------------------------------------------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 09:24:59 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: rkba-list: Fratrum: U.S. Censors the Net (fwd) (fwd) On Apr 23, David Coburn wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ABC news is at it again, with yet another anti-gun quiz. Check it out at http://abcnews.go.com; as of 08:00 PDT it was running 1/3 anti-gun. Not that there were many choices available. coburn@scn.org Any opinions expressed are mine only, and subject to change when presented with reasonable arguments. Yeah, right. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 09:26:12 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: [FTC] Fast Track and Other Bad News (fwd) Seems to me that we should let them know that we disaprove _ANY_ kind of Fast Tracking as Un-American and Un-Constitutional. On Apr 23, ASSETNJ@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: "Lou Crescitelli" To: nj-rkba@toto.com Subject: Fwd: [FTC] Fast Track and Other Bad News Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:37:10 PDT It appears that the New World Order forces are pushing Fast Track=20 trade authority again. Please let your Senators and Congressmen know=20 your opposition to it. Both GOA and NRA were opposed to it last year. Lou >From: "Linda Muller" >Reply-To: linda@theamericancause.org >To: ftc@Majordomo.net >Subject: [FTC] Fast Track and Other Bad News >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:15:22 -0700 > >Dear Friends, > >Looks like we are going up against another ominous omnibus trade=20 bill. >They can't pass their illegal unconstitutional FAST TRACK any other=20 way >but to sneak it into another piece of legislation. They even plan to >change the name from "Fast Track" to "trade negotiating authority"=20 - -- ever >hopeful that the American public won't get the connection. Word is=20 that >even more bad news will be added to the bill including WTO and=20 Carribean >"NAFTA" language. Right now they are holding back on cramming in the >Africa "NAFTA" -- but my guess is if they get a feeling they can get=20 this >passed -- say a final goodbye to Made in the USA. Bill markup is=20 planned >for May 6. > >For the Cause - Linda > >----------------------------------------------- > >The Bureau of National Affairs, > >Daily Report for Executives Wednesday, April 21, 1999 > >Senate Trade Bill to Include Fast Track But House Committee Awaits=20 White >House > >The Senate Finance Committee is assembling an omnibus trade bill with >fast-track negotiating authority as its centerpiece, congressional >staffers said April 20. > >A markup is likely in early May, according to staffers who spoke on >condition of anonymity. A tentative date of May 6 has been=20 scheduled. In >the House, meanwhile, the Ways and Means Committee is pursuing its=20 trade >agenda through a variety of separate bills, another staffer said. But >there is no movement toward a bill giving the president fast-track >negotiating authority. > >Instead, the committee is impatiently waiting for the administration=20 to >offer its support for a proposal. > >"The administration has not responded or shown any interest at all,"=20 the >staffer said. > >Under fast-track negotiating authority, the administration's trade=20 deals >are shielded from legislative amendments, and require a simple up-or- down >vote in Congress to be ratified. Most observers consider the=20 authority >vital to U.S. negotiators headed into a World Trade Organization >ministerial Nov. 30-Dec. 3 in Seattle, because some countries may=20 refuse >to negotiate with the United States if they know Congress can tack=20 demands >onto any agreement. > >Fast track lapsed in 1993 and efforts to renew it have been blocked=20 by >partisan differences over the treatment of labor and environmental=20 issues >in trade negotiations. > >Omnibus Bill Under Debate > >The shape of the Senate bill remains in flux, staffers said. But=20 staffers >said fast track--or "trade negotiating authority," as the committee=20 would >like to rename it--forms the heart of the draft bill, which has been >shaped in large part by committee Chairman William Roth (R-Del.). > >Also sure to make it into the bill are goals for the WTO ministerial=20 and >enhanced trade benefits for the Caribbean countries, the staffer=20 said. But >a measure to expand trade preferences for sub-Saharan Africa was on=20 the >bubble. > >"It's a big question mark what would be included," the staffer said. >Proposals from senators were due April 16. Other elements that could=20 end >up in the final package include renewal of trade adjustment=20 assistance, a >measure to implement an Organization for Economic Cooperation and >Development agreement on shipbuilding subsidies, normalized trade >relations for Mongolia, and renewal of the Generalized System of >Preferences duty-free program. > >An omnibus trade bill (S. 2400) did not make it to the Senate floor=20 in the >105th Congress. > >Slow Progress on Fast Track > >U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky said March 17 that she >supports Roth's efforts to draft an omnibus trade package, but=20 warned that >fast-track authority cannot pass unless it is revised. > >"I don't think that [fast track] will pass without a consensus on=20 labor >and environmental issues," Barshefsky said. > >House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Trade Chairman Philip Crane (R- >Ill.) has pressed the White House to propose a fast-track measure=20 that it >would support. But no answer has come back, a House staffer said=20 April 20. > >The staffer said Ways and Means will not put forward a bill until the >administration throws its support behind a proposal. > >By Chad Bowman and Rossella Brevetti > >Copyright =A9 1999 by The Bureau of National Affairs, Inc., Washington >D.C. > > >FOR MORE NEWS VISIT OUR SITE: http://www.theamericancause.org >***************************************************************** >Please feel free to forward this email across the USA! >***************************************************************** >Join our free "FTC" - FOR THE CAUSE - List!!! >Go to: http://www.theamericancause.org/cause_listserve.html >--------------------------------------------------------------- >*** ISSUES *** *** ISSUES *** *** ISSUES *** >The American Cause Internet Headquarters >Web: http://www.theamericancause.org >--------------------------------------------------------------- >*** ACTION *** *** ACTION *** *** ACTION *** >Coalition for The American Cause Network >Web: http://www.ctacnet.org >--------------------------------------------------------------- >WebMaster - Linda Muller - linda@theamericancause.org >Smail: 6862 Elm Street, Suite 210, McLean, Virginia 22101 >Email: hq@theamericancause.org >***************************************************************** >c NOTICE In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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Chris BeHanna maintains this list and disclaims all formal and legal responsibility for its content. **************************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 10:16:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FWD: Some perspective on NRA going to Denver (fwd) On Apr 23, Mikey wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Some perspective on NRA going to Denver Hi, Folks-- There has been a lot of miscellaneous input and a bit of squawking about NRA having cancelled major portions of the Denver meetings next week. The ultimate determination if this decision was right or wrong may take some time to establish. However, appended below are a few things that a lot of folks may not have factored in when evaluating NRA's decision to scale-back the meetings. Regards, Mike Baker - --------------------------------------------------------------- >Thousands of calls, faxes and E-mails have been pouring into >NRA HQ over the last couple of days and the level continues to >increase. Calls are from all over the country, and many from the >Denver area. Estimates are that calls are running 20-to-1 with >pleas, warnings and all manner of threats not to come to Denver. >Information is a little sketchy just yet, but it appears that >anti-gun entities were gearing to show up en-masse to organize >protests if NRA held a "normal" meeting. Some are certain >to show up anyway, but scaling back the meetings removes HCI's >incentives to spend a lot of resources flying organizers in. >Reports from the Denver PD are that there have been calls >promising that if NRA shows up, there will be (a variety >of threatened troubles). Wild, hysterical shreiking calls >have been made to Denver talk-shows, Denver PD and to the NRA >threatening protest and violence if NRA shows up. >Reports are that a number of parents of students killed at >Littleton have said they will go on national media to protest >NRA coming to Denver. Various media entities have contacted at >least several of the parents to see if they were planning to >protest at the NRA meetings. >The Mayor of Denver released NRA's contact information in the >Denver press; NRA phones, fax lines and e-mail are overloaded. >Early checks indicate that a large percentage of folks who were >planning to attend the meetings and trade-show have changed their >minds, worried about trouble. >It appears that a small fraction of the calls, faxes and e-mail >from outside Colorado are critical of NRA's decision to trim the >meetings. Input from inside Colorado is 20-1 against NRA coming. >A check with the industry folks who had booth space reserved at >the NRA meetings is mixed. Many said they would have cancelled >anyway because of the projected reduced attendance. Many said >"You had no choice but to cancel-- it was the right thing to do-- >It will cost a few thousand dollars of lost preparation, but the >damage from the blood-thirsty media to industry and the NRA would >have been too costly." >Others said, "A ton of money has been spent on non-refundable >air-fare tickets, the booth gear has been shipped already and >we do not want to lose our investment." >Some suggested that NRA should have carried on as usual, >except for holding a memorial service of their own and >wearing black arm-bands or something and hope that the media >feeding frenzy would not be too damaging. - ---------------------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 10:17:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Leading Expert on Teenage Violence Says Guns and TV Are... (fwd) On Apr 23, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ASSETNJ@aol.com forwarded: > Parents and teachers should immediately become concerned if a child or > teenager: > > -- Shuts out the fear that establishes healthy and safe boundaries for > most. > > -- Is devoid of compassion and disregards the injuries of others. > > -- Bends or changes the rules to be the victor in every situation. > > -- Is unable to learn that effort and endurance often beat taking the easy > way out. > > -- Lies not just occasionally, but as a way of life. > > -- Refuses to be held accountable. > > -- Cuts himself off from other people and believes he has little to learn > from them. Omigod, this describes CLINTON! Does this mean his tiff with Serbia is just Littleton writ large? Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:18:02 -0700 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Another gun poll..... http://www.cnn.com - check it out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "Self-government won't work without self-discipline... The abandon- ment of self-discipline has ignited a regulatory explosion. The number of government agencies has doubled in ten years. On average, for every new law passed by Congress, unelected bureaucrats turn out 18 new regulations with the force of law. ...Because some loony birds with unbuttoned brains abuse theirs, the federal government is now threatening to take away our fireworks and our firearms. It is down this road that whole nations go from regulation to regimentation to tyranny." Paul Harvey, IMPRIMIS, October 1998. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 22:59:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: web firearms poll (fwd) On Apr 23, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >** Our Latest Poll Description ** > >After the horrible tragedy in Littleton, Colorado, people in the U.S. and >abroad have been re-examining gun crimes and the laws designed to prevent >them (especially in our schools). This week's Web Poll focuses on this very >issue and we want your thoughts and feedback. Please take a moment now to >vote on this important topic. > >To share in the discussion and cast your votes, please point and click to: >http://www.dreamscape.com/throb/index.html > >We can't wait to see you there! Please do -- the antis are apparently stacking this poll heavily., - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 23:27:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Violations of Federal and State Laws by the Alleged Perpetrators of the Crime at Columbine High School, Littleton, Colorado (fwd) On Apr 23, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Useful information. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Riddle To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 6:58 PM Subject: Violations of Federal and State Laws by the Alleged Perpetrators of the Crime at Columbine High School, Littleton, Colorado "From another list:" Do we really need any more "gun-control" laws? Violations of Federal and State Laws by the Alleged Perpetrators of the Crime at Columbine High School, Littleton, Colorado Details of the explosives and firearms used by the alleged perpetrators have not been confirmed by law enforcement authorities. The crime scene is still being examined and cleared. It is unknown how the alleged perpetrators came into possession of the explosives and firearms they used. The alleged perpetrators, obviously, committed multiple counts of murder and attempted murder, the most serious crimes of all. And they committed many violations of laws against destruction of property, such as in the school building and the cars in the parking lot outside. All told, the prison sentences possible for these multiple, serious violations amount to many hundreds of years. Additionally, in the course of planning and committing these crimes, the alleged perpetrators committed numerous violations of very serious federal and stale laws relating to explosives and firearms, and, depending on details not yet known, may have committed other such violations. Cumulatively, the prison sentences possible for these violations alone amount to many hundreds of years. A partial list of those violations follows: 1. Possession of a "destructive device" (i.e., bomb). (Multiple counts.) Prohibited under 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53. Each violation is punishable by 10 years ill prison and a $10,000 fine. Other explosives violations are under 18 U.S.C. 842. Colorado law [18-12-109(2)] prohibits the possession of an "explosive or incendiary device." Each violation is a Class 4 felony Colorado I1 s-12.109(6)] also prohibits possession of "explosive or incendiary pans," defined to include, individually, a substantial variety of components used to make explosive or incendiary devices, Each violation is a Class 4 felony. 2. Manufacturing a "destructive device" (i,e., bomb). (Multiple counts.) Prohibited under 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53, Each violation is punishable by 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. 3. Use of an explosive or incendiary device in the commission of a felony, Prohibited under Colorado law [18-12.109(4)]. A class 2 felony. 4. Setting a device designed to cause an explosion upon being triggered. Violation of Colorado law. (Citation uncertain) 5. Use of a firearm or "destructive device" (i.e., bomb) to commit a murder that is prosecutable in a federal court. Enhanced penalty under 18 U.S.C. 924 (0. Punishable by death or up to life in prison. A federal nexus is through 18 U.S.C. 922(q), prohibiting the discharge of a firearm, on school property, with reckless disregard for the safety of another person. 6. Possession of a firearm or "destructive device" (i.e., bomb) in furtherance of a crime of violence that is prosecutable in a federal court. Enhanced penalty under 18 U.S.C. 924(c). Penalty is 10 years if a firearm; 30 years if a "destructive device" (bomb, etc.). Convictions subsequent to the first receive 20 years or, if the weapon is a bomb, life imprisonment. Again, a federal nexus is through 18 U.S.C. 922(q), prohibiting the discharge of a firearm, on school property, with reckless disregard for the safety of another person. 7. Brandishing a firearm or "destructive device" (i.e., bomb) in furtherance of a crime of violence that may be prosecuted in a federal court. Enhanced penalty under 18 U.S.C. 924(c). Penalty is 15 years if a firearm; 30 years if a "destructive device" (bomb, etc.). Convictions subsequent to the first receive 25 years or, if the weapon is a bomb, life imprisonment. Again, a federal nexus is through 18 U.S.C., 922(q), prohibiting the discharge of a firearm, on school property, with reckless disregard for tile safety of another person. 8. Discharging a firearm or "destructive device" (i.e., bomb) in furtherance of a crime of violence that may be prosecuted in a federal court. Enhanced penalty under 18 U.S.C. 924(c). Penalty is 20 years if a firearm; 30 years if a "destructive device" (bomb, etc.). Convictions subsequent to the first receive 30 years or, if the weapon is a bomb, life imprisonment, Again, a federal nexus is through 18 U.S.C. 922(q), prohibiting the discharge of a firearm, on school property, with reckless disregard for the safety of another person. 9. Conspiracy to commit a crime of violence prosecutable in federal court. Enhanced penalty under 18 U.S.C. 924(n). Penalty is 20 years if the weapon is a firearm, life imprisonment if the weapon is a bomb. Again, a federal nexus is through 18 U.S.C. 922(q), prohibiting the discharge of a firearm, on school property, with reckless disregard for the safety of another person. 10. Possession of a short-barreled shotgun or rifle. Some news accounts have suggested that the alleged perpetrators may have possessed a "sawed off shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle. (A shotgun or rifle less than 26" in overall length, or a shotgun with a barrel of less than 18", or a rifle with a barrel of less than 16".) A spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office reported, possibly, at least one long gun with the stock cut off. Prohibited under 26 U.SC. Chapter 53, A violation is punishable by 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Colorado law [18-12-102(3)] prohibits possession of a "dangerous weapon" (defined to include sawed-off guns), First violation is a Class 5 felony; subsequent violations are Class 4 felonies. 11. Manufacturing a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off rifle." Prohibited under 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53, Each violation is punishable by 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. 12. Possession of a handgun or handgun ammunition by a person under age 18. Some news accounts report one alleged perpetrator as being 17 years of age. It is yet unclear what firearms were involved in the crime. A person under age 18 is prohibited from possessing a handgun or handgun ammunition, except for legitimate target shooting, hunting, and firearms training activities, and similar legitimate reasons. [I 8 U.S.C., 922(x), part of the 1994 crime bill,] A violation is punishable by one year in prison, 13. Providing a handgun or handgun ammunition to a person under age 18. Prohibited under the same provision noted in #4, above, Penalty of one year, unless the provider knew the gun would be used in a crime of violence, in which case the penalty is l0 years, 14. Age restrictions on purchasing firearms. Again, the age of the second suspect and how the alleged perpetrators came into possession of firearms are unclear. However, licensed dealers may sell rifles and shotguns only to persons age 18 or over, and handguns to persons age 21 or over, [18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1)] 15. Possession of a firearm on school property. Prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 927(q) Five year penalty. Colorado also prohibits a gun on school property. (Citation uncertain.) 16. Discharge of a firearm on school property, with a reckless disregard for another's safety. Prohibited less than 18 U.S.C. 922q. Five year penalty. 17. Possession, interstate transportation, sale, etc., of a stolen firearm. Prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 922(i) and (j). A violation is punishable by l0 years. 18. Intentionally aiming a firearm at another person. Violation of Colorado law, 19. Displaying a firearm in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm, or discharging a firearm in a public place except on a lawful target practice or hunting place. Violation of Colorado law, [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 23:27:42 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: web firearms poll (fwd) On Apr 23, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >** Our Latest Poll Description ** > >After the horrible tragedy in Littleton, Colorado, people in the U.S. and >abroad have been re-examining gun crimes and the laws designed to prevent >them (especially in our schools). This week's Web Poll focuses on this very >issue and we want your thoughts and feedback. Please take a moment now to >vote on this important topic. > >To share in the discussion and cast your votes, please point and click to: >http://www.dreamscape.com/throb/index.html > >We can't wait to see you there! Please do -- the antis are apparently stacking this poll heavily., - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 16:18:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Murrah Building look-a-like (fwd) On Apr 24, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Jack Perrine To: "Distribution List Suppressed (E-mail)" Subject: [UWSA] From TIM on killing people because of what they THINK Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:49:15 -0700 FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA The Special "Kosovo Crisis" Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins, such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day. DAY 32, Update 1 - ----------------------- Apr. 24, 1999; 1:30AM EDT HEADLINES Belgrade 1. NATO Is Now Killing People Because It Doesn't Like What They Say (By Robert Fisk) - ---------------------- 1. NATO Is Now Killing People Because It Doesn't Like What They Say (By Robert Fisk, The Independent - For Personal Use Only) BELGRADE, Apr. 24 - The veteran war correspondent of The Independent, Robert Fisk, was this London's daily's "Johnny on the spot" in Belgrade, before and after NATO bombed the Serb TV building, killing at least 10 people and injuring scores of others. Much of what Fisk wrote in his Apr. 24 dispatch matches up exactly with the eyewitness story we brought to you yesterday, in the Day 31, Update 1, Item 1, Apr. 23 story: "Once you kill people because you don't like what they say, you change the rules of war' Hanging upside-down from the wreckage was a dead man, in his fifties perhaps, although a benevolent grey dust had covered his face. Not far away, also upside-down - his legs trapped between tons of concrete and steel - was a younger man in a pullover, face grey, blood dribbling from his head on to the rubble beneath. ROBERT FISK IN BELGRADE Deep inside the tangle of cement and plastic and iron, in what had once been the make-up room next to the broadcasting studio of Serb Television, was all that was left of a young woman, burnt alive when Nato's missile exploded in the radio control room. Within six hours, the Secretary of State for International Development, Clare Short, declared the place a "legitimate target". It wasn't an argument worth debating with the wounded - one of them a young technician who could only be extracted from the hundreds of tons of concrete in which he was encased by amputating both his legs. Nor with the silent hundreds who gathered in front of the still-smoking ruin at dawn yesterday, lost for words as they stood in the little glade of trees beside St Marko's Cathedral, where Belgrade's red and cream trams turn round. A Belgrade fireman pulled at one of the bodies for all of 30 seconds before he realised that the man, swinging back and forth amid the wreckage, was dead. By dusk last night, 10 crushed bodies - two of them women - had been tugged from beneath the concrete, another man had died in hospital and 15 other technicians and secretaries still lay buried. A fireman reported hearing a voice from the depths as the heavens opened, turning into mud the muck and dust of a building that Ms Short had declared to be a "propaganda machine". We had all wondered how long it would be before NATO decided that Radio Televizija Srbija should join the list of "military" targets. Spokesmen had long objected to its crude propaganda - it included a NATO symbol turning into a swastika and a montage of Madeleine Albright growing Dracula teeth in front of a burning building. It never reported on the tens of thousands of Albanian refugees who spoke of executions and "ethnic cleansing" in Kosovo. It endlessly repeated films that depicted Yugoslav soldiers as idealised heroes defending their country. It carried soporific tapes of President Slobodan Milosevic meeting patriarchs, Cossacks, Russian envoys and the Kosovo Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova. The channel was showing an American interview with Mr Milosevic when the first cruise missile smashed into the station's control room just after two o'clock yesterday morning. But did this justify killing the night staff in their studios and taping rooms? Two weeks NATO's spokesmen had been suggesting that RTS would have to carry six hours of Western television a day if it was to survive - CNN's bland, safe coverage of events presumably offering some balance to the rubbish churned out on the RTS news. But once NATO decided this was as preposterous as it was impracticable, its spokesman announced that the station was not on the list of NATO targets. Then, on Monday, CNN's bosses called up from Atlanta to inform the satellite boys in Belgrade that they should pull out of the RTS offices. Against the wishes of other NATO nations, so the word went, General Wesley Clark had decided to bomb Serb television. CNN withdrew from the building in Takovska Street. And that night, we were all invited to have coffee and orange juice in the studios. The building was likely to be a target of the "NATO aggressor", according to Goran Matic, a Yugoslav federal minister, as he walked us through the ground floor of the doomed building. Yet, oddly, we did not take him seriously. Even when the air-raid siren sounded, I stayed for another coffee. Surely NATO wouldn't waste its bombs on this tiresome station with its third-rate propaganda and old movies, let alone kill its staff. Yesterday morning, the moment I heard the cruise missile scream over my hotel roof, I knew I was wrong. There was a thunderous explosion and a mile-high cloud of dust as four stories collapsed to the ground, sandwiching offices, machines, transmitters and people into a pile of rubble only 15 feet high. Yet, within six hours, Serb television was back on the air, beaming its programmes from secret transmitters, the female anchorwoman reading the news from pieces of pink paper between pre-recorded films of Serbian folk-songs and ancient Orthodox churches. All along, the Serbs had been ready for just such an attack. We had not believed NATO capable of such ferocity. The Serbs had. The crowds still stood in the park as darkness fell, watching the men with drills punching their way through the concrete for more survivors. By that time, explanations were flowing from NATO's birthday celebrations in Washington. Serbia's "propaganda machine" had been prolonging the war. I wonder. I seem to recall Croatian television spreading hatred a-plenty when it was ethnically cleansing 170,000 Serbs from Croatia in 1995. But we didn't bomb Zagreb. And when President Franjo Tudjman's lads were massacring Serbs and Muslims alike in Bosnia, we didn't bomb his residence. Was Serbian television's real sin its broadcast of film of the NATO massacre of Kosovo Albanian refugees last week, killings that NATO was forced to admit had been a mistake? Yes, Serbian television could be hateful, biased, bad. It was owned by the government. But once you kill people because you don't like what they say, you have changed the rules of war. 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