From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, May 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 236 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 10:23:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: " JNH, IN08news" : THE GROWING MISSILE THREAT (fwd) On Apr 28, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: " JNH, IN08news" To: Undisclosed-recipients Subject: THE GROWING MISSILE THREAT Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <435A5CEEACA6D211BEEA0008C75DA885017FC93D@hrm12.house.gov> (The following is a column by Congressman Hostettler, suggested for use on opinion and editorial pages in daily and weekly newspapers. Length: 930 words.) The Growing Missile Threat By U.S. Rep. John Hostettler April 28, 1999 The desire for security is a common human trait. We seek it in every walk of life. Job security, security from intruders in our homes, security in retirement, and the security that most Americans take for granted - security from attack by a foreign nation. Not since the December 7, 1941 sneak attack on Pearl Harbor has a foreign enemy successfully attacked a target within American borders. Since then, we have been lulled into a false security. Dramatic advances in weapons technology have led many Americans to believe we have a missile defense system that will protect us against a missile attack. We don't. The fall of the Soviet Union has lulled many Americans into thinking we are now safe from the threat of a nuclear missile attack. We aren't. In fact, the risk is more widespread and less predictable. In recent years, one rogue nation after another has acquired the technology to launch missiles onto American soil. The Pacific and Atlantic oceans no longer serve as a deterrent against attack. The harsh reality is that if a foreign enemy launches even a single ballistic missile at a U.S. city, there is nothing we can do to prevent it from hitting its target and killing thousands or even millions of Americans. The United States has no missile defense system to protect American families. The time is long overdue to implement one. The threat of missile attack is real. Last summer, the Rumsfeld Commission, a bipartisan panel of national security experts, reached some frightening conclusions. The panel unanimously found that the missile threat to American families is "broader, more mature, and evolving more rapidly" than the U.S. intelligence community previously had reported. And with each passing day, our vulnerability grows. Rogue nations like North Korea, Libya, Iran and Iraq are working tirelessly to acquire the capability to strike American cities with ballistic missiles. The intelligence community recently confirmed that North Korea - a nation ruled by a Stalinist and unstable dictator who starves his own people - already has obtained this ability. Our only response to such an attack would be a strike of our own. It's clear that the threat of retaliation is not enough to deter ruthless dictators like North Korea's Kim Jong Il or Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Both have shown themselves all too willing to put their personal agenda above the safety and well-being of their people. Of course, it's not just rogue nations that we must worry about. Last year, China added eight new intercontinental missiles to its arsenal, the majority of which are targeted at U.S. cities. In 1996, during the missile crisis between China and Taiwan, Lt. Gen. Xiong Guang Kai - a frequent spokesman for Chinese policy - asked if the U.S. would be willing to sacrifice Los Angeles for Taipei. The clear implication was that China would use the threat of a missile attack on a U.S. city to prevent the United States from defending Taiwan. And there is not only the threat of hostile and aggressive strikes against the U.S., but there is also the potential of unforeseen and accidental launches. In 1995, Russian President Boris Yeltsin activated his nuclear briefcase in response to a Norwegian scientific missile launch that he mistakenly believed was a U.S. nuclear missile attack. Russia stood only six minutes from launching a nuclear attack against the United States before the order was called off. Our lack of a missile defense system to protect us against an attack does not imply that we lack the technology to build one. On the contrary, we have the technology and the expertise to protect our population. We need only to find the political will to do it. Congress took a symbolic step in the right direction last month with the passage of a bill that makes it official U.S. policy to deploy a national missile defense system. The measure passed the House 317-105 and similar language won Senate approval by a vote of 97-3. In the face of such overwhelming and bipartisan support, President Clinton dropped his veto threat. But despite the unambiguous language in the bill, the president instructed the State Department to inform U.S. embassies that "no deployment decision has been made." According to the Washington Times, the State Department is "quietly informing overseas embassies that . . . the administration does not have to deploy such a system." Why the president remains opposed to a missile defense system is not entirely clear. His own secretary of defense, William Cohen, recently acknowledged that the threat of a missile attack is imminent. Russia, the only other nation with a large arsenal of intercontinental ballistic missiles, already has a national missile defense system. Recent polls show that the American people overwhelmingly support the deployment of a missile defense system. The cost of such a system should not be an impediment either. For about $10 billion, a fraction of the cost of President Clinton's peacekeeping missions, the United States can build a limited missile defense system. That seems a reasonable price to pay to protect our families from the threat of a nuclear, chemical, or biological missile attack. Just like at the height of the Cold War, the world is still a dangerous place. The difference is that instead of the threat from one clear enemy, we now have many. It's time that we finally build a missile defense system to protect American cities and families from those enemies. If we do not, the consequences might one day be measured in American lives. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 10:24:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: And yet another..... (fwd) On Apr 28, David Coburn wrote: >And another; not specific to guns but the intent is clear: > >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/daily/poll/0,2637,colorado,00.html > >coburn@scn.org >Any opinions expressed are mine only, and subject to change when >presented with reasonable arguments. >Yeah, right. I wouldn't say, "not specific", so much as indirect or more generalized. This one is important as it covers firearms, explosives, and a whole lot of things that could be tossed into the kettle, and yes, the intent is very clear. Frankly however, I think you've just uncovered a mole at/in(?) Time. Considering their record, we couldn't have gotten a better poll question out of them. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 00:06:36 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Re: stuff (fwd) On Apr 29, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Nancy Snow wrote me: >P.S. had you seen the poll at http://www.netguide.com:320/poll/poll.html > >I went and voted. numbers look very good. The poll is about whether gun manufacturers are liable for gun crimes. It is running 83% NO. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 00:23:26 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: [OPF] Questions the media probably won't ask George W. Bush! (fwd) On Apr 30, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > More data on Little Bushy. Bill, I think you will enjoy this one. Huck > Subject: [OPF] Questions the media probably won't ask George W. Bush! > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:13:16 -0700 > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > OutPost of Freedom maillist > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "There are a lot of very brilliant people who believe that the > nation-state > is fast becoming a relic of the past." > --- Bill Clinton, New York Times > ---------- November 25, 1997 > "FREE SPEECH! Use it, or lose it!" > --- Ken Hamblin > ------------------------------------ > > QUESTIONS BEGIN HERE: > > (Do you think that you have used more or less cocaine than, say, Marion > Barry or Bill Clinton?) > > In 1984, after your firm, Arbusto Energy, had fallen on hard times, you > managed to get a job as the 30-something president of Spectrum 7 Energy > Corporation, the firm that purchased Arbusto. You also got 14% of the > Spectrum's stock. Meanwhile, your 50 investors in Arbusto got paid off at > about 20 cents on the dollar. Is this the sort of thing your new economic > advisor, Lawrence Lindsey, was thinking of when he said Americans had > become > too greedy? > > Or might he have been thinking of the deal in 1986 when, after Spectrum 7 > had lost $400,000 in six months, you sold it to Harken Energy, becoming a > major Harken stockholder and receiving a good salary as a director and > consultant? > > Or was it that time when you sold two-thirds of your Harken stock for a > 200% > profit on June 22, 1990, just 40 days before the start of the Gulf War > and > one week before the company announced a $23 million quarterly loss, > setting > off a 60% drop in share price over the next six months? > Why were you so valuable to these companies given your less than > impressive > business acumen? > > When you and your Harken partners ran short of cash and hooked up with > investment banker Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, Arkansas, he got you a > $25 million stock purchase by Union Bank of Switzerland. Did you know > that > Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, who joined your board as a part of the deal, was > connected to BCCI? Did you know that the United Bank was connected to > BCCI > (including its operations in Panama), the Nugan Hand Bank (a notorious > CIA-front in Australia), and Ferdinand Marcos? > > Did you know that it was Jackson Stephens who introduced the players in > what > would turn out to be the infamous First American-BCCI deal? > > Why do your think the government of Bahrain chose Harken to drill its > offshore wells even though it had never dug overseas or in water before? > Why > do you think it chose Harken, with no relevant experience, over Amoco, > with > plenty of it? Did you ever discuss with your dad Harken-Bahrain deal? Did > any sheiks or other officials ever express any concern over the failure > of > Harken to find any oil? Do you think they really cared? > > Tell us again why you waited almost a year past the legal deadline to > file > the necessary SEC report on your Harken stock deal. > > You borrowed $180,000 from Harken at a low rate. Did you ever pay it back > or > was it included among that $341,000 Harken listed in SEC documents as > loaned > to executives and later forgiven? > > You have worked closely with a number of persons with CIA ties. Do you > think > it is healthy for the country to have three presidents in a row so > closely > connected with this intelligence agency? > > Do you think it is healthy for the country to have three presidents in a > row > who are Yale men? > > Your grandfather Prescott was on the board of Brown Harriman which helped > provide some of the financing for the Soviet and Nazi regimes. Do you > think > this was a wise idea? As president would you continue this tradition in > our > policy towards China? > > During World War II your grandfather had property seized under the > Trading > with Enemy Act. Was he pro-Nazi or just a proto-neo-capitalist ahead of > his > time? > > What is the American voter to make of the fact that two of your brothers, > one father, one grandfather, and one uncle have been involved in unseemly > scandals of one sort or another? How do you distinguish your ethical code > from theirs? > > One of your Uncle Prescott's hot deals resulted in an early but major > transfer of sensitive technology to the Chinese government. Your father > in > 1989 lifted sanctions that blocked such ventures. Do you approve of Uncle > Prescott and your father's behavior in these matters? As president would > you > allow such deals to continue? > > Do you approve of your uncle and father's role in what has become to be > known as the "October Surprise?" > > You invested $600,000 in the Texas Rangers and later sold out for $15 > million. What did you do for the Rangers in between? How much of this > profit > reflected your ability to get the city of Arlington to condemn land for a > ball park at 1/6 its true worth and then impose a 1/2 cent sales tax to > subsidize your business? Is this an example of what you meant in 1993 > when > you said, "The best way to allocate resources in our society is through > the > marketplace. Not through a governing elite?" > > Can you name a business deal you have been in that hasn't raised ethical > questions? That has made a profit without some form of government > subsidy? > > Why did you have to hire private investigators to find out what dirt > private > investigators might be able to dig up on you? > > Do you think that you have used more or less cocaine than, say, Marion > Barry > or Bill Clinton? > > Discuss this remark by Michael King in the Texas Observer: "Although by > his > own admission George W. was an indifferent student, he was nevertheless > the > deserving-by-both beneficiary of the oldest most illegitimate, and most > sacrosanct form of affirmative action. . . It's business as usual." > > Since you want to help "instill individual responsibility" and give > people a > "future of opportunity, instead of dependence on government," why did you > and your neighbors at the exclusive Rainbow Club development get a tax > break > from your government? In what ways do such tax breaks differ from welfare > benefits other than that welfare recipients are more needy? > > Do you believe that being a member of a secret society dedicated to > promoting fraternal nepotism in public office is consistent with being > president of a democracy? If the words "skull and bones" are mentioned at > a > White House news conference, will you -- as the tradition of the society > demands -- feel compelled to leave the room? > http://prorev.com/politics3.htm > > Bard > > Visit me at: > The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government > http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm > > Federal Government defined: > ....a benefit/subsidy protection racket! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 08:53:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: (Fwd) PETITION TO GET OUT OF THE U.N.. (fwd) Well, Halleluya! The only thing he seems to have missed is getting us out of NATO! On Apr 30, T.King wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To: LPUS-MISC@dehnbase.org (LP business - miscellaneous discussion) Send reply to: lpus-misc@dehnbase.org Date sent: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:30:38 -0500 From: "Eric A. Dubiel" Subject: Fwd: PETITION TO GET OUT OF THE U.N.. An Action Item... - Eric "JM" wrote on news:alt.politics.elections : > > Please write your Representative in support of HR 1146 > and sign the online petition at > http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=117781 > in support of HR 1146, the AMERICAN > SOVEREIGNTY RESTORATION ACT to get the U.S. out of the U.N.. > > Rep. Ron Paul's Project Freedom Website at > http://www.house.gov/paul/privacy/ > > AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY RESTORATION ACT (HR 1146, > 106th Congress, 1st > Session) > > The following is a Resolution in Congress brought by > Ron Paul to end the United States involvement in the United > Nations. > > Sponsors of this legislation are as follows: > > Sponsor > Ron Paul, TX > > Co-Sponsors > Ralph Hall, TX > Helen Chenowith, ID > John Dolittle, CA > Richard Pombo, CA > Charlie Norwood, GA > Bob Stump, AZ > Roscoe Bartlett, MD > Robert Ney, OH > John Duncan, TN > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > HR 1146 IH > 106th CONGRESS > 1st Session > H. R. 1146 > To end membership of the United States in the > United Nations. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A BILL > To end membership of the United States in the > United Nations. > > SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > This Act may be cited as the 'American Sovereignty > Restoration Act of 1999'. > > SEC. 2. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS PARTICIPATION > ACT. > > (a) REPEAL - The United Nations Participation > Act of 1945 (Public Law 79-264, 22 U.S.C. 287-287e) is repealed. > > (b) TERMINATION OF PARTICIPATION IN UNITED > NATIONS - The President shall terminate all participation > by the United States in the United Nations, and any organ, > specialized agency, commission or other formally > affiliated body of the United Nations. > > (c) CLOSURE OF UNITED STATES MISSION TO UNITED > NATIONS - The United States Mission to the United Nations > is closed. Any remaining functions of such office shall not be > carried out. > > SEC. 3. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS > AGREEMENT ACT. > > (a) REPEAL - The United Nations Headquarters > Agreement Act (Public Law 80-357) is repealed. > > (b) WITHDRAWAL - The United States withdraws > from the agreement between the United States and the > United Nations regarding the headquarters of the United > Nations (signed at Lake Success, New York, on June 26, 1947, > which was brought into effect by the United Nations > Headquarters Agreement Act). > > SEC. 4. UNITED STATES ASSESSED AND VOLUNTARY > CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE UNITED > NATIONS. > > (a) TERMINATION - No funds are authorized to be > appropriated or otherwise made available for assessed > or voluntary contributions of the United States to the > United Nations or any organ, specialized agency, > commission or other formally affiliated body thereof, > except that funds may be appropriated to facilitate > withdrawal of United States personnel and equipment. > Upon termination of United States membership, no > payments shall be made to the United Nations or any > organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally > affiliated body thereof, out of any funds appropriated > prior to such termination or out of any other funds > available for such purposes. > > (b) APPLICATION - The provisions of this > section shall apply to all > agencies of the United Nations, including > independent or voluntary > agencies. > > SEC. 5. UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPING > OPERATIONS. > > (a) TERMINATION - No funds are authorized to > be appropriated or > otherwise made available for any United States > contribution to any > United Nations military operation. > > (b) TERMINATIONS OF UNITED STATES > PARTICIPATION IN UNITED NATIONS > PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS- No funds may be > obligated or expended to > support the participation of any member of the > Armed Forces of the > United States as part of any United Nations > military or peacekeeping > operation or force. No member of the Armed > Forces of the United States > may serve under the command of the United > Nations. > > SEC. 6. WITHDRAWAL OF UNITED NATIONS PRESENCE > IN FACILITIES OF THE > GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND REPEAL OF > DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY. > > (a) WITHDRAWAL FROM UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT- The United > Nations (including any affiliated agency of > the United Nations) shall > not occupy or use any property or facility of > the United States > Government. > > (b) DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY - No officer or > employee of the United Nations > or any representative, officer, or employee of > any mission to the United > Nations of any foreign government shall be > entitled to enjoy the > privileges and immunities of the Vienna > Convention on Diplomatic > Relations of April 18, 1961, nor may any such > privileges and immunities > be extended to any such individual. The > privileges, exemptions and > immunities provided for in the International > Organizations Immunities > Act of December 29, 1945 (59 Stat. 669; 22 > U.S.C. 288, 288a-f), or in > any agreement or treaty to which the United > States is a party, including > the agreement entitled "Agreement Between the > United Nations and the > United States of America Regarding the > Headquarters of the United > Nations," signed June 26, 1947 (22 U.S.C. > 287), and the Convention on > Privileges and Immunities of the United > Nations, entered into force with > respect to the United States on April 29, > 1970, (21 UST 1418; TIAS 6900; > UNTS 16), shall not apply to the United > Nations or any organ, > specialized agency, commission or other > formally affiliated body > thereof, to the officers and employees of the > United Nations, or any > organ, specialized agency, commission or other > formally affiliated body > thereof, or to the families, suites or > servants of such officers or > employees. > > SEC. 7. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS EDUCATIONAL, > SCIENTIFIC, AND CULTURAL > ORGANIZATION ACT - The joint resolution > entitled `A joint resolution > providing for membership and participation by > the United States in the > United Nations Educational, Scientific, and > Cultural Organization, and > authorizing an appropriation therefor' > approved July 30, 1946 (Public > Law 79-565, 22 U.S.C. 287m-287t), is repealed. > > SEC. 8. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT > PROGRAM PARTICIPATION ACT > OF 1973 - The United Nations Environment > Program Participation Act of > 1973 (22 U.S.C. 287 note) is repealed. > > SEC. 9 REPEAL OF UNITED STATES PARTICIPATION > IN THE WORLD HEALTH > ORGANIZATION - The joint resolution entitled > "Joint Resolution providing > for membership and participation by the United > States in the World > Health Organization and authorizing an > appropriation therefor," approved > July 14, 1948 (22 U.S.C. 290, 290a-e-1) is > repealed. > > SEC. 10 REPEAL OF INVOLVEMENT IN UNITED > NATIONS CONVENTIONS AND AGREEMENTS - > As of the date of enactment of this act, the United > States will end any and all participation in any and > all conventions and/or agreements with the United > Nations and any organ, specialized agency, > commission or other formally affiliated body > thereof. Any remaining functions of such conventions > and/or agreements shall not be carried out. > > SEC. 11 - REEMPLOYMENT WITH UNITED STATES > GOVERNMENT AFTER SERVICE WITH > AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION > > Nothing in this Act shall be construed to affect the > rights of employees under subchapter IV of chapter 35 > of title 5, United States Code, relating to reemployment > after service with an international organization. > > SEC. 12 - NOTIFICATION > > Effective on the date of the enactment of this > Act, the Secretary of State shall notify the United > Nations and any organ, specialized agency, > commission or other formally affiliated body > of the United Nations of the provisions of this Act. > > SEC. 13 - EFFECTIVE DATE > > Except as otherwise provided, this Act and the > amendments made by this Act shall take effect > 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act. > > ==================================================================== [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 19:38:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Attention Kmart Shoppers: Contact Info for Kmart (fwd) On Apr 30, David Wisniewski wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If you are interested in voicing your opinion over Kmart spokesperson Rosie O'Donnel's comments regarding firearms, listed below are the Chairman/President/CEO, US President and Board of Directors for Kmart. Please remember to be polite. Floyd Hall Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Kmart 3100 W Big Beaver Road Troy, MI 48084 Andrew A. Giancamilli President and General Merchandise Manager, U.S. Kmart 3100 W Big Beaver Road Troy, MI 48084 Board of Directors: James B. Adamson Chairman, President and CEO Advantica Restaurant Group 203 E. Main St. Spartanburg, SC 29301 Stephen F. Bollenbach President and CEO Hilton Hotels Corporation 9336 Civic Center Dr. Beverly Hills, CA 90210 Joseph A. Califano, Jr. Chairman and President The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University 152 West 57 Street New York New York 10019 Richard G. Cline Chairman Hussman International, Inc. 12999 St. Charles Rock Rd. Bridgeton, MO 63044-2483 Willie D. Davis President All Pro Broadcasting, Inc. 4222 W. Capitol Drive Milwaukee WI 53216 Joseph P. Flannery Chairman, President and CEO Uniroyal Holding, Inc. 70 Great Hill Rd Naugatuck, CT 06770 Robert D. Kennedy Chairman and CEO UCAR International, Inc. 3102 West End Ave., Ste. 1100 Nashville, TN 37203 J. Richard Munro Chairman of the Board Genetech, Inc. 1 DNA Way South San Francisco, CA 94080-4990 Robin B. Smith Chairman and CEO Publishers Clearing House 382 Channel Dr. Port Washington, NY 11050 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 99 02:41:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 99 12:14:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a web site up. I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting some hints from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, 19 meg to go. doug davis ****************** Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- abiding to be bad? ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. Previous E-mail message are being archived. ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:14:37 -0700 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) Guys -- If you want Personal Web Pages, try GoPlay.com. I confess to a conflict of interest here, since I own part of it. Nevertheless, IMHO, we have one of the nicest and fastest web-based email and PWP sites on the net. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:15 PM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) > > > On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a > web site up. > I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least > make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting > some hints > from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much > easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank > you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. > > http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 > > PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, > 19 meg to go. > > doug davis > > ****************** > Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- > abiding to be bad? > > ****************** > Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are > available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are > found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. > Previous E-mail message are being archived. > ******************** > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message > ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 99 22:03:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) Not to detract from your efforts, or your site, but you missed the point, which is: To put Pro-Gun/Patriot/Christian/etc., Web Pages on _Rosie's_ site, which has offered them for free. This uses up her resources, surrounds her dreck with with properly righteous stuff to impress her usual cast of suckers, and probably fries her buns in the bargain.....:-) Of course there's nothing against your putting up a page on her site advertizing your own, but if you do, don't forget to use your full 20 megabytes. I'd probably do it myself if I new anything about it, and had something worth putting up there.....:-) On May 1, Lew Glendenning wrote: >Guys -- > >If you want Personal Web Pages, try GoPlay.com. > >I confess to a conflict of interest here, since I own part of it. > >Nevertheless, IMHO, we have one of the nicest and fastest web-based email >and PWP sites on the net. > >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:15 PM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) >> >> >> On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> --------------------] >> >> What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a >> web site up. >> I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least >> make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting >> some hints >> from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much >> easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank >> you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. >> >> http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 >> >> PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, >> 19 meg to go. >> >> doug davis >> >> ****************** >> Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- >> abiding to be bad? >> >> ****************** >> Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are >> available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are >> found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. >> Previous E-mail message are being archived. >> ******************** >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #236 *************************