From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 237 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:43:08 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Observations point your browser to http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual event in Littleton. A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have been about 10 times more NRA folks present. (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:11:45 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Observations Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp (as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil conspiracy ; ) Kneeland Joe Sylvester wrote: > > point your browser to > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp > > This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting > thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the > demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so > slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not > the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that > possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some > substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual > event in Littleton. > > A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun > owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the > message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some > resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 > demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they > outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full > convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have > been about 10 times more NRA folks present. > > (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ > > A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a > "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as > "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released > information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many > of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed > shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the > dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't > qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or > converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. > > Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't > look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south > slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as > it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How > much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than > the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. > > The Second Amendment is the RESET button > of the United States Constitution. > ---Doug McKay" > > Joe Sylvester > Don't Tread On Me ! > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:11:45 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Observations Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp (as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil conspiracy ; ) Kneeland Joe Sylvester wrote: > > point your browser to > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp > > This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting > thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the > demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so > slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not > the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that > possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some > substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual > event in Littleton. > > A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun > owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the > message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some > resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 > demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they > outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full > convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have > been about 10 times more NRA folks present. > > (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ > > A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a > "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as > "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released > information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many > of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed > shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the > dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't > qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or > converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. > > Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't > look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south > slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as > it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How > much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than > the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. > > The Second Amendment is the RESET button > of the United States Constitution. > ---Doug McKay" > > Joe Sylvester > Don't Tread On Me ! > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 99 15:53:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - May 2, 1999 (fwd) On May 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ "IT WAS ALWAYS BURNIN' SINCE THE WORLD'S BEEN TURNIN'" The '80s anthem of the pot-bellied Baby Boomers who survived the '60s and '70s was a song by Billy Joel titled, "We Didn't Start the Fire" -- and the more I hear from the pre-eminent pot-bellied Baby Boomer of the 1990s the more I realize that Billy Joel's whiny don't-blame-us tune was right on target. Did the plight of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo get worse after the air strikes began? "We didn't start the fire -- no we didn't light it but we tried to fight it." Did hostile Chinese espionage operations in our defense labs become so routine they were almost a vacation for the spies? "We didn't start the fire -- it was always burnin' since the world's been turnin'." Now consider the President's call for massive curtailments on the rights of millions of innocent Americans because of the evil, demented acts of a handful of unhinged kids. How many kids died in Littleton? How many civilians died when U.S. jets blasted a bus off a bridge in Serbia? The King of the Baby Boomers may not have ignited the conflagration that has come more and more to exemplify the 20th Century, but even if we give him the benefit of the doubt it's undeniable that he has done more to fan the flames wherever they have smoldered. And indeed this is the legacy of the entire political complex of which Bill Clinton is the most prominent living representative. In the name of peace, they abetted those who made war on their own country. In the name of love, they planted the seeds for the rage and hate that was expressed in Littleton. In the name of equality, they have doomed entire communities in America to the stigma of being unable to measure up without special, *unequal* help from the law. Let any member of the WW2 generation point this out, though, and the Baby Boomer Political Front retorts, "YOU raised us. It's YOUR fault." I suspect that the BBPF's hostility to the very idea of religion grows out of their overwhelming terror at the thought they might ever be held accountable for anything that has resulted from their actions. Can you imagine an abortion advocate being confronted with the souls of the millions of babies whose lives were never to be, because of Roe v. Wade? Can you imagine an opponent of our part in the Cold War being confronted with the souls of those killed by the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, or by the Red Army in Afghanistan, or by the KGB in the gulags? Now contemplate the souls of innocent bus-riding Serbian civilians confronting the Senators who voted to acquit Bill Clinton -- demanding to know why the power to order air strikes was left in that man's hands. I don't know who will be confronted with the souls of the Littleton victims, but I'm sure it won't be 80 million law-abiding American gun owners. - -30- May 2, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:02:41 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Observations At 10:11 AM 5/2/99 +0100, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I >highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To >Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp >(as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional >signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil >conspiracy ; ) Kneeland I have one of their signs, and yes they are quite nice. But they are not anywhere near as expensive appearing as the signs I saw in the picture of that crowd. Just so y'all know, I'm listening to (a replay on ABC radio of) Sam D interviewing Moses. Moses said that the "NRA is in favor of instant checks at gun shows", in the context of the Presidents proposals. Another slip of the tongue? Or another stab in the back. He's pushing project Exile too, strict enforcment of all gun laws. Hand your kid an "assault weapon" go to jail, zero tolerance. He also just said that "he's not against" a ban on over 10 round magazines "per se", just that it wouldn't do any good. He's also not up on Emerson, as the talking heads are trying to pass off the old lie, the courts have "never" said the second amendment protects an individual right. He is defending the Second, but it would be so nice if he could just say "you are wrong" and quote chapter and verse of the cases stating just that. I only through in that pre-planning aspect to yank y'all's chain, I'm more concerned with who's suppling the money and organization to these things on such short notice. That said, don't forget what Neal Knox recently wrote, quoting some unknown person. (paraphrasing) "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". We are well past three times. It doesn't really matter if these events are being pre-arranged, or merely prepared for. The result is the same, the Second amendment gets ripped to shreds, along with several other parts of that "living" document, written by dead white slave owners. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:02:41 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Observations At 10:11 AM 5/2/99 +0100, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I >highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To >Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp >(as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional >signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil >conspiracy ; ) Kneeland I have one of their signs, and yes they are quite nice. But they are not anywhere near as expensive appearing as the signs I saw in the picture of that crowd. Just so y'all know, I'm listening to (a replay on ABC radio of) Sam D interviewing Moses. Moses said that the "NRA is in favor of instant checks at gun shows", in the context of the Presidents proposals. Another slip of the tongue? Or another stab in the back. He's pushing project Exile too, strict enforcment of all gun laws. Hand your kid an "assault weapon" go to jail, zero tolerance. He also just said that "he's not against" a ban on over 10 round magazines "per se", just that it wouldn't do any good. He's also not up on Emerson, as the talking heads are trying to pass off the old lie, the courts have "never" said the second amendment protects an individual right. He is defending the Second, but it would be so nice if he could just say "you are wrong" and quote chapter and verse of the cases stating just that. I only through in that pre-planning aspect to yank y'all's chain, I'm more concerned with who's suppling the money and organization to these things on such short notice. That said, don't forget what Neal Knox recently wrote, quoting some unknown person. (paraphrasing) "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". We are well past three times. It doesn't really matter if these events are being pre-arranged, or merely prepared for. The result is the same, the Second amendment gets ripped to shreds, along with several other parts of that "living" document, written by dead white slave owners. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 99 20:48:49 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dole a gun-controller, too. (fwd) On May 2, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=3Dv/nm/19990502/ts/= politi cs_newhampshire_2.html Elizabeth Dole Calls For Gun Control, Earns Boos Full=A0Coverage Presidential=A0Election=A02000 By Alan Elsner, Political Correspondent MANCHESTER, N.H. (Reuters) - Former cabinet member Elizabeth Dole went = out on a limb Sunday by urging stricter gun control, earning herself = scattered boos at the first major Republican presidential forum of the 2000 = campaign. Eight actual and potential candidates addressed a crowd of 1,200 in New Hampshire, which next February will stage the first-in-the-nation presidential primary when citizens cast early and closely watched votes = for their preferred nominee. Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the early frontrunner, was absent as were = Arizona Sen. John McCain and columnist Pat Buchanan, who won the 1996 primary. The recent massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Co, = dominated the speeches of former vice president Dan Quayle, former Tennessee Gov. = Lamar Alexander, publisher Steve Forbes, Ohio Rep. John Kasich, conservative activist Gary Bauer, radio host Alan Keyes, New Hampshire Sen. Bob = Smith as well as Dole. But Dole, wife of defeated 1996 Republican nominee Bob Dole, was the = most controversial, declaring her support for a ban on assault weapons which = many conservatives bitterly oppose and want to overturn. ``I don't think you need an AK-47 to defend your family,'' she said to = tepid applause and a few boos. ``I also favor safety locks on guns to protect = our children.'' Dole, who shunned the podium to address the crowd from the middle of = the hall, was taking a risk because the powerful gun lobby is an important Republican constituency. Although she is running second to Bush in most polls, her campaign has started slowly, raising doubts about whether it = will be viable. ``I don't know where she's going. Every time she opens her mouth, she = seems to move a little more to the left,'' said Dave Carney, a New Hampshire political consultant who ran Bob Dole's campaign in the state in 1996 = but is staying neutral this year. All the candidates addressed the Littleton shootings by two high school students but drew very different lessons. Bauer, a Christian activist, = said God had to be returned to the center of American life. ``We're making more millionaires than at any time in the history of = this country but if we do not remember that America was built by God and He = is the author of our liberty ... nothing else will matter,'' he said. Alexander focused on education reform in a well-received speech which = ended with a sideswipe against Bush, son of former president George Bush. ``Our nomination can't be bought, it can't be inherited. It has to be = earned and I'm here to earn it,'' he said. Quayle said the United States needed a spiritual renewal. ''If you have = a child who loves God, honors his parents and respects his neighbors, = that child will never kill anyone,'' he said. Keyes said America's moral corruption began with its toleration of = abortion while Forbes said citizens should seek solutions within themselves = rather than looking to Washington for solutions. Most candidates also fiercely attacked the U.S. role in Kosovo, none = more bitterly than Keyes who called it an immoral attack on a country that = had never harmed the United States. Here too, Dole stood out from the rest by declaring that the United = States should persist with the air campaign until it won. By contrast, Quayle = said a superpower had no business getting involved in what he termed a = ``civil war''. The New Hampshire primary, tentatively scheduled for Feb. 15, 2000, is different from any other event in a presidential race. The state is = small and a large proportion of its voters expect to meet the candidates personally, sometimes more than once, rather than learn of their views through paid television advertisements, as is the case in most other = parts of the country. The Republican race is more complicated than the two-man contest being = waged among Democrats between Vice President Al Gore and former New Jersey = Sen. Bill Bradley. But Bush remains the Republican man of the moment, not least because he = is perceived as the candidate with the best chance of capturing the White = House for Republicans in 2000 after what will be eight years of Democratic control. ``Every Republican I've talked to wants a winner. That's why Bush has = such momentum right now -- because he looks like a winner even though people don't know where he is on the issues,'' said Carney.=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 99 21:14:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 5/3 (fwd) On May 3, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: EIA Communique - 5/3 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - May 3, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + Research from the Organization for Economic Development often makes international comparisons of teacher salaries. OECD uses various measures= , but the most often cited is teacher salary compared to per capita income.= The United States usually fares poorly by this measure. That aside, it seems = such a comparison made state-by-state would also produce some useful informati= on. The Bureau of Labor Statistics recently released the state rankings of pe= r capita personal income in 1998. Since we have pretty good teacher salary figures from NEA for the same year, it is a simple equation. The followin= g table ranks the 50 states and the District of Columbia by how much (expre= ssed as a percentage) the average teacher salary exceeded per capita personal income. It's important that you don't confuse these figures with the tabl= e from One Yard Below, which compared teachers and workers. These figures include everyone -- non- workers, children and retirees. Again, the idea = is not to judge what the gap should be, but how state teachers compare relat= ive to their population base and to other states' teachers. 1) Alaska 101.5 2) Michigan 83.7 3) Pennsylvania 77.4 4) West Virginia 72.5 5) Oregon 70.4 6) Rhode Island 65.3 7) Indiana 64.1 8) California 62.1 9) Kentucky 60.9 10) Wisconsin 59.1 11) South Carolina 58.1 12) Idaho 55.8 13) Arkansas 55.3 14) Ohio 55.1 15) Utah 54.1 16) New York 53.5 17) Alabama 53.1 18) Montana 51.8 19) Mississippi 51.35 20) Illinois 51.32 21) New Mexico 51.2 22) Georgia 50.16 23) Vermont 50.15 24) Tennessee 50.0 25) Maine 49.7 26) Arizona 49.2 27) New Jersey 48.6 28) Kansas 47.4 29) Hawaii 46.8 30) Oklahoma 45.7 31) Iowa 42.5 32) Delaware 42.3 33) Minnesota 42.1 34) Louisiana 41.0 35) Maryland 39.4 36) Missouri 39.0 37) Washington 38.63 38) North Carolina 38.60 39) Wyoming 38.2 40) Texas 36.8 41) Nevada 36.4 42) Connecticut 34.9 43) Massachusetts 33.9 44) Virginia 33.8 45) Florida 33.4 46) Nebraska 32.0 47) North Dakota 30.2 48) Colorado 30.0 49) New Hampshire 26.3 50) D.C. 24.3 51) South Dakota 23.6 + A measure that would have allowed NEA members to designate where the political portion of their dues would go was ruled "out of order" by the union's Committee on Constitution, Bylaws, and Rules. Submitted by Ed Web= er of the Ohio Education Association and supported by at least 50 other delegates to NEA's Representative Assembly, the proposed bylaw amendment would have read: "All members shall be given the opportunity to designate where the political contribution portion of their dues money is to be allocated." NEA's committee ruled that "political contribution" meant "contributions to candidates for elective office" and concluded, "Since n= o dues money is used for that purpose, the amendment is ruled out of order.= " NEA's political action committee handles all candidate contributions. NEA does, however, spend a large portion of its general fund (dues money) on politics and other activities unrelated to collective bargainin= g -- as much as 40 percent according to its own U.S. Supreme Court-mandated disclosures. By quashing Weber's amendment, NEA avoids what would have be= en a very interesting secret ballot vote on the conduct of its political activities. + This July, the NEA Representative Assembly will vote on whether member= s with disabilities will comprise three percent of the union's board of directors. The 167-member board meets five times annually to vote on NEA policies. The current NEA constitution requires the board to have at least 20 percent racial and ethnic minority representation. If minority representa= tion ever falls below this level, additional minority directors are elected at-large by the RA or the board itself. The proposed constitutional amend= ment would extend this procedure to members with disabilities. A two-thirds majority of NEA delegates would have to approve the change via secret bal= lot. NEA's biggest concern about the amendment is the same one currently occup= ying the U.S. Supreme Court -- the definition of a disability. The union will = have to determine whether to allow candidates to self-identify as disabled or = to institute a test or standard. + The Washington Education Association, which has tied the state legisla= ture in knots in an attempt to get a two-year, 15 percent pay increase for teachers, will soon start gathering signatures to put an initiative on th= e November ballot. The measure would guarantee annual cost-of-living raises= to all public school employees and faculty at two-year colleges. The propose= d initiative received its first organized opposition. No, not the chamber o= f commerce. No, not a taxpayers' organization. No, not the state GOP. It wa= s the Washington Federation of Teachers, the 4,000-member state AFT affilia= te. The WFT is worried the WEA initiative will reduce the money available for other programs -- notably pay increases for the four-year faculty and classified staff that WFT represents. + People have been using the Columbine High School massacre to advance a= ll sorts of political and social agendas, so it came as no surprise that som= eone would use it to justify pay increases for teachers. The Wilson Daily Time= s published an editorial about the increasing burden of local supplements t= o teacher pay on county taxpayers. The local supplements are tied to state appropriations for teacher pay. With Gov. Jim Hunt raising pay 6 to 8 per= cent a year as part of a pledge to bring North Carolina teacher salaries to th= e national average, the local contribution is rising fast. North Carolina Association of Educators President Joyce Elliott scripted a reply to the editorial, noting that the supplements were "essential investments," then threw in this little tidbit: "If there is a= ny doubt of how important teachers are to our young people, consider the tra= gic events in Littleton, Colorado; Jonesboro, Arkansas; Springfield, Oregon, = and West Paducah, Kentucky. Our teachers consistently show us that they are worthy." + From yesterday's New York Times: "Generally, tuition-paying students a= re admitted only in classes where there are vacancies. Most districts screen= out students with academic or behavioral problems." But reporter Joseph Berge= r isn't describing voucher schools. He's writing about programs in some sta= tes that allow parents to buy their way into affluent, suburban public school= s. Another sixteen states require districts to accept out-of-town students f= ree of charge if there is space. School officials from low- performing distri= cts dislike the programs. "It removes the better kids from the system," said Ronald O. Ross, superintendent of Mount Vernon School District in New Yor= k State. "Whatever problems we have, it makes it more difficult." + Education Daily ran a story last week on EIA's report, Measure for Measure: A Magnified Look at Standardized Test Scores. Still available through the mail, free, from EIA. + Quote of the Week: "Certainly, some will oppose competition -- just as AT&T once fought the breakup of its monopoly. Others will reflexively res= ist the redistribution of power to poor families. Still others will wave thei= r worn-out ideologies to defend a system of educational apartheid while demonizing anyone who promotes a parent's right to choose." -- former U.N. Ambassador Andrew Young. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 99 22:34:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Laws Violated at Columbine (fwd) On May 3, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Alan Korwin Subject: Laws Violated at Columbine Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:59:24 +0000 To: Alan Korwin > Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:59:24 +0000 > From: Alan Korwin > Reply-To: alan@bloomfieldpress.com > Organization: Bloomfield Press > To: Alan Korwin > Subject: Laws Violated at Columbine > > It seems my early review draft of this is already circulating. > Here's the genuine article. > > An attorney asked me to make a list of crimes apparently committed by > the assailants at Columbine High School in Colorado. I drew up this > generic list and I was surprised by how long it was. Feel free to > include this info in any contact you might have with your local media. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America, prepared this list of types > of crimes committed during the high school attack in Colorado. > > Premeditated murder > Murder > Attempted murder > Aggravated assault > Assault with a deadly weapon > Assault and battery > Assault > Threatening and intimidating > Conspiracy to commit felony > Conspiracy to commit misdemeanor > Aiding and abetting > Providing firearm to minor > Providing handgun to minor > Possession of firearm by minor > Possession of handgun by minor > Possession of firearm by minor without federally > required permission slip from parent or guardian > Possession of NFA weapon (sawed off shotgun) > Possession of explosives > Possession of explosives by minor > Possession of explosives with malicious intent > Making of explosives > Placing of explosives > Use of explosives > Concealed carry without permit > Gun on school grounds > Another gun on school grounds > Yet another gun on school grounds > Possession of ammunition on school grounds > Obtaining guns and ammo through bogus means > Discharging firearm in city limits > Disturbing the peace > Committing a hate crime > Multiple counts of all of the above > Multiple torts (harm suffered that is subject to civil lawsuits; > Colorado prohibits lawyers from soliciting clients within 30 days > of an injury, out-of-state lawyers are reportedly already calling > relatives for potential clients.) > > And of course, aggravating circumstances and anything a reasonable > Colorado prosecutor could no doubt add to this list. For instance, > Colorado law includes two to six years for the parents if they allowed > the boys to possess a firearm, knowing of substantial felony risk. > > In the rush to enact more laws, we perhaps overlook the fact that > everything criminal about this heinous attack is already totally > illegal. If you want to fix the laws, it helps to know what they are. > We keep such information posted at our newly beefed-up website, > gunlaws.com. > > It is also critical to realize that 6,000 kids brought weapons to school > in 1997 (according to the Dept. of Education), in complete violation of > the federal Gun-Free School Zones law -- calling for at least five years > in prison -- but the kids were just sent home. One of these was Kip > Kinkle, who came back the next day to commit most of the crimes listed > above. > > Representatives in government are well aware that we barely enforce the > perfectly good laws we have. So what, you must wonder, is their motive > for instantly seeking more laws? What other agenda could they possibly > have, using this tragedy to stir up support? > > > > Alan Korwin, Author > Bloomfield Press > 12629 N. Tatum #440 > Phoenix, AZ 85032 > Fax 602-494-0679 > http://www.gunlaws.com > 1-800-707-4020 > > Alan Korwin is the author of seven best-selling books on gun law, > including "Gun Laws of America--Every Federal Gun Law on the Books, with > Plain English Summaries," and state gun-law guides for AZ, CA, FL, TX, > VA. This paper is part of an ongoing series, click Position Papers on > the home page, or write or call for copies. > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > When you disarm your subjects > you offend them by showing that > either from cowardliness or lack of faith, > you distrust them; and either conclusion > will induce them to hate you. > Niccolo Machiavelli > "The Prince" > > Only the rulers should be armed. > U.N. agenda > > ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ > > IF YOU'VE GOT A GUN > YOU'RE NOT A CROOK > AND THE GUN'S NOT ILLEGAL, > THAT'S NOT A CRIME. > The Committee to Arrest Criminals > and Leave Decent People Alone. > > Another idea from http://www.gunlaws.com > Click "POSITION PAPERS" for news, views and updates > > Bloomfield Press > We publish the gun laws. - ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Jim Zoes I watched the numbers roll up in 10's on this one. Appears 3 people >from HCI are wearing out their mouses on it. > >http://www.bouldernews.com/cgi-bin/pollvault/pv_vote.cgi >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA >---------------------------------------------------------------- Didn't get me there. Try: http://www.bouldernews.com/news/statewest/421shoot1.shtml and vote from the "Reaction" column on the right-hand side. We are really losing this one -- 12%-88% against CO CCW. - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #237 *************************