From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #242 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, May 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 242 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: 40 years ago we had no school yard massacres (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:20:06 -0700 A NEW AMERICA Forty years ago when I was a first grade school child guns were as common as dirt. Many, if not most, adult males had a rifle or shotgun in the closet or in a rack in an unlocked truck. Many, if not most, had a .38 revolver in the nightstand drawer near their bed or in the glove box of the car. You could buy a revolver or even a 20mm anti-tank rifle through the mail from advertisers who placed ads in popular magazines. There were no school yard massacres in those days. In those days the possession of so much as a Tijuana stag film could get an adult a few days in the pokey. Booze could not be sold from after midnight Saturday until Monday morning. Stores closed up by 6 PM on every other evening, 9 PM on Fridays and Saturdays. No stores were open on Sunday. The vagrancy laws were enforced, as were the curfew laws for children. If you spoke a racial slur or derogatory remark about someone's family you were likely to get a broken nose for your pains. And then get whipped when you got home and had to explain yourself. Children were not allowed to talk back to their parents, nor were they allowed to run like a pack of wild animals through the stores or up and down the streets. Parents were the authorities you had to answer to. Punishment was a bar of soap in the mouth for lesser crimes and a belt across the buttocks for more serious offenses. All adults in the community were to be obeyed and respected. All adults in the community held themselves to be responsible for all the children. Credit was something precious and hard to get, a badge of higher standing in the community. Bankruptcy was shameful. As was illegitimate birth. A young man who got a girl pregnant and didn't do right by her would never get a responsible job in his own town and would have to spend years proving himself again as trustworthy. Thrift and virtue, virginity and self-restraint, self-reliance and moral character were hallmarks of respect and public esteem. Ministers, school authorities, parents, all firmly believed that they had a moral responsibility to live and conduct themselves, and hold others to high standards of moral conduct and good character. They believed that setting an example for others was a civic obligation. The badge of authority of adulthood. There were no schoolyard massacres in those days. America, since that time you have universalized every form of pornography and filth. You now have normalized every kind and type of perversion and deviancy. You have taught and rewarded Moral Relativism from kindergarten through university for the last four decades. America you have made the murder of babies in the womb a routine substitute for moral character and an acceptable form of birth control, and in so doing proclaimed to all your children that their lives are worthless to you. You have allowed them to become the wards of the state by abandoning them to the public schools and turning your teachers into daycare workers and baby-sitters. You have encouraged and rewarded your children for remaining in a state of immaturity long into their adult years by remaining in that state of self-absorbed immaturity yourself. You have tolerated, and rationalized, and justified self-indulgence as an enshrined right. You, America, planted the seeds of wanton greed, lust, self-glorification, self-righteousness, and arrogance. You have pacified your military into garbage collectors and traffic cops. You have militarized your policemen into paramilitary goon squads and unsupervised spy organizations. You have turned your face away and allowed priests to molest children and go unpunished. You have allowed your judges to become Skinner-Ian social experimenters. You have allowed your leaders to commit flagrant and public crimes and shouted down and demonized those who would hold them accountable. You have closed your eyes to blatant criminal activity and acts of war by your elected representatives so long as your wealth and positions are not harmed. You have labored mightily for forty years and defended your choices against any and all who tried to stop the evil. You have made yourselves into indentured servants to unlimited desires and enslaved yourselves to mindless passions. You have elevated the most corrupt to the highest positions and persecuted those who would try to undo the horrors. Now in your advancing years the fruits of your labors have come home to you. Now the seeds of destruction you sowed, and nurtured, and defended have flourished and are reaching their appointed harvest. Why are you now surprised? You have reached the ultimate fulfillment of all your desires and dreams. Your aspirations have reached maturity. These are your children America. They are everything you raised them to be. They are the epitome of everything you slaved for all these years. The children who have been performing these hideous acts of evil, these schoolyard massacres are not nice, normal, "good kids " who suddenly became deranged, slavering psychotics after touching a gun. Each and every one of them signaled their intent through their behavior months, years in advance. Each of them was known to parents, teachers, police, other children as being twisted, perverse, dangerous, and blatantly so. Each had a long history of flagrantly violent and dangerous behavior that was known to everyone they ever came into contact with. Where were the adults all those years? This is your reward for your lifetime's success at sabotaging, betraying, denying, and overturning a thousand years of law, morality, religion, and culture. Embrace your legacy, your monstrous offspring. They are the mirror image of you, their parents and the society you have reshaped. For a generation you have fought long and hard to achieve this day, You have succeeded. Now those other days are gone. Then, children respected their elders. Parents respected themselves, each other, and their leaders. America was respected by her friends, and by her enemies. There were no schoolyard massacres in those days. Author Unknown - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 99 10:11:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 2 CNN quickvotes (fwd) On May 20, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If the juvenile justice bill dies in the Senate whose fault will it be? http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/18/gun.control/ Should people buying weapons from non-licensed gun show vendors be subject to mandatory background checks? http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/17/gun.control/ Bob Mueller - Consultant Compuware Corporation The United States Trotting Association 614-224-2291 Ext. 3234 bmueller@ustrotting.com Get into Harness Racing at http://www.ustrotting.com [-----------------------Forwarded text ends---------------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 99 20:39:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The NEA's Vision (fwd) On May 20, Mumpsimus wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The National Education Association released this statement today. For Immediate Release May 20, 1999 Contact: Susan Whitmore, (202) 822-7251 Steve Wollmer, (202) 822-7239 Kathleen Lyons, (202) 822-7213 Statement of Bob Chase National Education Association President on Georgia Shooting and Need for Stricter Gun Laws Our hearts and prayers go out to the students, teachers, parents and families of the victims of the shooting today at Heritage High School, outside Conyers, Georgia. We join all Americans in hoping for a complete recovery of the injured children. We all hoped against hope that the tragic shooting at Columbine High School one month ago today would be the last time this nation had to see the faces of children fleeing from a school in panic. The last time we would hear horrific stories of children shooting classmates. The last time we would have to comfort parents, children and teachers in the aftermath. We hoped. But we feared it wouldn't be the last. For despite the good intentions, the discussion about safety precautions, the coming together of law enforcement, schools and the community in search of answers, the bottom line is that today, guns in America are still much too easily falling into the hands of children. Congress cannot continue to throw up roadblocks to passage of desperately needed, common-sense gun laws. How many more students - children - must be maimed or killed before sensible gun laws are passed? Today, the National Education Association and its 2.4 million members call on Congress to take immediate action on the Children's Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1999 and other pending legislation to keep guns out of the hands of children. Congress must: 7 Establish a Federal Child Access Prevention (CAP) law holding adults responsible if a child gains access to a loaded firearm that has not been properly stored and uses it in the commission of a crime; 7 Require that child safety locks and devices be sold with all new handguns purchased in the United States; 7 Outlaw the transfer to and possession of semi-automatic assault rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines by juveniles; 7 Reinstitute the Brady Law's minimum three-day waiting period for handgun purchases; 7 Close the "gun show," "pawn shop," and all other loopholes by mandating background checks of gun purchasers at these venues; 7 Raise the age of handgun possession to 21 years of age; 7 Extend the Brady Law's background check requirements to the purchase of explosives; 7 Reduce illegal gun trafficking by limiting handgun sales to one per month; 7 Create anonymous tiplines so that students will feel free to alert adults to potential problems. For too long, Congress and our state legislators have been cowed by the gun lobby. Now is the time for them to show some courage. No excuses. No loopholes. They owe it to the students of Springfield, Edinboro, Jonesboro, West Paducah, Pearl, Bethel, Moses Lake, Littleton, Conyers, and children in every community. So do we. Our children need moral direction. But they need more. Our children need a safe and healthy environment in which to grow. At the end of the day, a good moral upbringing will not stop a bullet. Today, we must all take responsibility and personal action to stop gun violence. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 99 20:41:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [donb@netcom.com: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition] (fwd) On May 20, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Don Baldwin Subject: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition To: leadership@lpws.org Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: donb@netcom15.netcom.com (Don Baldwin) N.B. If this post is appropriate for other Libertarian Party lists, could you either send me their addresses or forward it? Thanks, Don You all may have heard that MOVEON.ORG is sponsoring a petition asking Congress to assume their duties and adopt gun control measures. Well, Democrats for the 2nd Amendment has just launched a site OPPOSING those gun controls. This petition is completely non-partisan in nature, its sole intent being to help preserve our rights. Please drop by our site and sign: Go to: http://www.d2a.org At the top left of the page is a link to the petition. PLEASE sign and let the denizens of DC know what a horrible mistake they're making by attacking our rights. Then tell a few friends about it and ask them to sign. And then please join them in printing it out and distributing some copies to gun stores and gun shows. Best regards, Don Baldwin Bill - -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Resignation from NRA (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:06:44 -0600 From: Joe Horn Subject: Resignation from NRA I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. Joseph A. Horn NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. Address phone fax email - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:41:33 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Resignation from NRA (fwd) Still voting Republican Joe? Or, like most Republicans did you just stay home last election? Boyd Kneeland, NRA JPFO GOA Paul M Watson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:06:44 -0600 > From: Joe Horn > Subject: Resignation from NRA > > I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. > > I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control > crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote > that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam > Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a > criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. > > In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged > premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of > your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely > hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is > removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. > I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of > you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and > disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. > That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation > immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. > > Joseph A. Horn > NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. > Address > phone > fax > email > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:41:33 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Resignation from NRA (fwd) Still voting Republican Joe? Or, like most Republicans did you just stay home last election? Boyd Kneeland, NRA JPFO GOA Paul M Watson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:06:44 -0600 > From: Joe Horn > Subject: Resignation from NRA > > I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. > > I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control > crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote > that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam > Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a > criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. > > In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged > premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of > your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely > hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is > removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. > I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of > you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and > disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. > That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation > immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. > > Joseph A. Horn > NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. > Address > phone > fax > email > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 99 13:35:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton Signs New EO!! (fwd) On May 21, Eugene Gross wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi Folks, I have more BAD news. President Clinton recently signed Executive Order (EO) 13107, "Implementation of Human Rights Treaties." The new EO requires federal, state, and local governments to comply immediately with all United Nations treaties, whether or not those treaties have been confirmed (ratified) by the U.S. Senate as required by the Constitution. One of these treaties, the UN Treaty on Genocide, says that persuading someone to change his or her religion is a hate crime punishable by international law. The new EO 13107 is expected to be used by the newly established Office of Religious Persecution Monitoring to arrest and imprison Christian missionaries and witnesses anywhere in the world who preach Jesus only. From now on, this will be considered a hate crime -- genocide. So, Clinton now has the means to punish his one great enemy, according to him (see note I posted a month back) his only real enemy are the right-wing fundamentalists -- namely, Christians who do not compromise their faith!! And with the ability to impose martial law at will, he can at any time move to take full control of the nation as the fascist dictator he really is! En Agape, Gene [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:13:05 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Please Vote. A close friend of mine used to do some database work for a large Republican "think tank" in Washington state. I certainly understand the desire to simply avoid the polls but I hope those of you not voting for principled reasons will reconsider that plan. Most americans have abandoned the voting process for less important reasons then those wich we on this list might adopt. They don't like missing their sitcom, they don't like going out when it's raining and dark etc. If, like me, you're sick and tired of supporting the idiots destroying our republic (or, for those agents reading the list; those who tire of the incremental change to collectivism) your abstinence won't be counted as a dislike of the choices. Political planners will simply assume you had to wash your hair or were afraid of the rain or some such. A far more effective plan IMHO is to go and vote for one thing. All of us can find one small non partisan office to throw a vote away on. Doing that and leaving the other choices blank will have far more effect on political planning then joining the majority who simply stay home. All IMO. Boyd - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:16:12 -0400 From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" Subject: more Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Thu, May 20, 1999 17.21 -0700 From: Don Baldwin To: rkba-dems@netcom.com, claw@chc.com, ca-firearms@lists.best.com Subject: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition Oh yeah: after you sign it, tell a few friends about it and ask them to sign. And then please join them in printing it out and distributing some copies to gun stores and gun shows. - ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting Chad Leigh chad@pengar.com chad@shire.net - - From owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com Thu May 20 19:16:13 1999 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10kdv1-0002Fz-00 for utah-firearms-goout@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:16:11 -0600 Received: from [204.228.145.250] (helo=hobbiton.shire.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10kduz-0002Fu-00 for utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:16:09 -0600 Received: from [199.125.99.32] (helo=imac.beebe.mk) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #4) id 10kduv-00051p-00 for utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:16:06 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:17:55 -0400 From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" To: utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com Subject: One last note (sorry) about D2A petition (fwd) Message-ID: <20563224.3136223874@imac.beebe.mk> Originator-Info: login-id=chad-pc; server=hobbiton.shire.net X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.4.0, s/n U-301202] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Thu, May 20, 1999 17.47 -0700 From: Don Baldwin To: claw@chc.com, rkba-dems@netcom.com, ca-firearms@lists.best.com Subject: One last note (sorry) about D2A pe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:11:20 -0700 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Dear NRA Tanya Metsaka of the NRA/ILA used to hang out on this list, 'til she was canned; is there anybody official with the NRA still here? Or can anybody forward it? The NRA's web site doesn't seem to have e-mail addresses for actual people. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear NRA: Here in Sacramento, CA, the most popular radio talk show host (in fact, the area's most popular radio show, period) is a local fellow named Tom Sullivan. He's a former Marine, former California Highway Patrol officer, who is now a stock broker and does the financial news for a local TV station, and has his own 3-hour radio talk show on KFBK Radio (AM1530) from 1 PM to 4 PM daily. How did an ex-Marine, ex-CHP stock broker get his own radio talk show? Seems he was offered the job after his close friend and fellow KFBK-er Rush Limbaugh left Sacramento in 1987 to start a national talk show; Sullivan took over Rush's afternoon time slot. He's as fair, honest, and level-headed as anybody could be, and is a delightfully refreshing person. He's a defender of the Second Amendment, as you might expect, and has devoted the last couple of days of his show to the discussion of gun control. I called his show yesterday, and he made a stunning point. The _FACTS_, Tom said, are 100% in favor of gun ownership, but in America today, facts aren't important. Kleck's and Lott's statistics about how many times each year people use guns to defend themselves from crimes are boring, because there aren't any dead bodies of people who WERE NOT killed by defending themselves; there are no battered, crying, bruised women who were NOT raped because they had legal guns. The emotional appeal of the bloody bodies trumps the dry facts and statistics every day. Sullivan suggests that the NRA needs to change its advertising. The recent ad campaign with Tom Selleck et. al. focuses on facts; it's not enough. We need to get the message out about how guns PREVENT crimes. I faxed Tom this month's "Armed Citizen" column, and he's not impressed. "Tiny type", he said, "preaching to the choir", and "boring". What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they defended themselves with firearms. Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the woman who defended herself against her abusive husband, and let her tell, in her own words, how he threatened her, how she called the cops and they couldn't do anything until AFTER he killed her, and how she shot him when he attacked her with a knife. (There's a story like this every other month in "Armed Citizen".) Show the murdered bodies of the women who _couldn't get_ a gun because of the Brady waiting periods, and were murdered while waiting. Show the burned car of Carol & Julie Sund and Silvina Peloso, the murdered Yosemite tourists, with the legend "For want of a gun..." or perhaps "Gun control killed these women." A few years ago, a woman posted her story to the talk.politics.guns newsgroup: how she stopped at a remote interstate rest stop, how, coming out of the ladies room, she was confronted by a big guy with a rope who said "We're going to have a REAL FUN evening!", and how he fled when she pulled a .45 from her purse. Find her, and get her to tell her story on camera. Today on Tom Sullivan's radio show, a fellow talked about being taken hostage with his parents when he was 19, and shooting one of the criminals with his concealed handgun, and how they would have been murdered otherwise. Get that tape; play it. Make it emotional. Make it gut-wrenching. Put it on national TV in prime time. Make it controversial and sensational. I've given a lot of money to the NRA in the last few years, and I'm disappointed in the results. In the last few weeks the NRA has supported ever more restrictions on the rights of law-abiding citizens to own guns and defend themselves, and we're losing the PR war badly. We're supposed to be this big, bad Gun Lobby, all powerful; we're being too nice. I'll pledge ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS to the NRA, on the condition that the NRA make and run a series of emotional, dramatic commercials and advertisement showing real-life armed citizens and their true stories of how they defended themselves. I challenge the rest of my ROC readers to pledge as much as possible on the same condition. Finally, radio talk-show-host Tom Sullivan holds Charleton Heston in great esteem, and would probably be delighted to have Heston on the show for an hour's discussion of the gun rights issue. How about getting Heston on Sullivan's show? - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:05:06 -0500 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Re: Dear NRA Kenneth Mitchell wrote: [snip...] >What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, >grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they >defended themselves with firearms. > > Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, >Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the [snip...] Mike Foster ran a commercial of this type during his gubernatorial campaign in Louisiana. An older woman, probably 70-ish, held a pisol and told how she protected herself against a robber. Perhaps the NRA should contact his PR people and get a clue. - --Bob in Mississippi State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 99 07:53:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: E.T. Poll (fwd) On May 22, Travis L. Hambach wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Entertainment Tonight poll about Rosie O'Donnell & Tom Selleck. We're slightly ahead. http://www.etonline.com/html/NewsItems/19037.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:08:22 -0700 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Dear NRA At 07:05 AM 5/22/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Kenneth Mitchell wrote: >[snip...] >>What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, >grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they >defended themselves with firearms. >> >> Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, >Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the >[snip...] > >Mike Foster ran a commercial of this type during his gubernatorial >campaign in Louisiana. An older woman, probably 70-ish, held a pisol >and told how she protected herself against a robber. Perhaps the NRA >should contact his PR people and get a clue. Good idea. Tanya Metaksa _did_ contact me; she forwarded my suggestion to someone at NRA HQ. (And gently took me to task for misspelling her name, so please permit me to apologize publicly and to get it _right_ this time.) And yes, the NRA needs to "get a clue"; we're losing the PR war, which is being fought on a strictly EMOTIONAL basis. And since the NRA is trying to use LOGIC and REASON, we're essentially fighting with both hands tied. Speaking of emotionalism: the ultra-liberal Sacramento Bee newspapepr (available online at http://www.sacbee.com) ran an article about Richmond, VA's "Project Exile" experiment, which has been heavily hyped by the NRA. Somebody with detailed knowledge of the genesis of "Project Exile" needs to read the article and comment, because a major sub-point of the article is that the NRA is a Johnny-come-lately, merely promoting the program as a way to avoid having "reasonable gun controls" enacted. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. 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Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 99 21:12:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - May 22, 1999 (fwd) On May 22, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ FREE MEN DON'T WORK FOR WAGES I get tired of talking about what's wrong with America, and I can't imagine you have infinite stamina for hearing about it. So this week I'm going to start summer vacation a little early and talk about something else entirely. In the days before the Industrial Revolution, wealth, freedom and power all had tangible roots in a single concept: ownership. Any man who owned the means of his livelihood was regarded as a man of importance, because so long as no one could challenge his ownership he need bow to no man. Before the Industrial Revolution it would have been utterly unimaginable that landowners would work for wages. Land ownership was freedom; wage work was a much softened form of serfdom. The two simply could not go together. Yet today the vast majority of landowners -- homeowners -- are also wage-earners. One could say this proves that the pre-industrial view was wrong, but I don't. Freedom of the halfway sort is like being sick, and taking a painkiller instead of seeking a cure. The American Dream has been too narrowly defined. It's not the house with the white picket fence and two-car garage, it's the freedom once represented by ownership of the means of one's own livelihood. In the late 20th Century that means is one's own business, and in the coming century it will be even more so. Entrepreneurship is the key to the kind of true freedom represented by Jefferson's often misunderstood phrase, "pursuit of happiness." Time being a non-renewable resource, and the most precious asset anyone owns, it shouldn't be sold routinely for the enrichment of someone else, but invested for one's own enrichment. Of course, most businesses fail within a few years of starting. But that's why entrepreneurship is so attractive -- because of the risk, the rewards are proportionally greater. Still, the whole idea of America was always that everyone would be free, not just a lucky few... In the 20th Century entrepreneurship has been represented by the little Mom-and-Pop store on the corner, or such variations thereof as the times might suggest, such as a restaurant franchise, or a storefront in a mini-mall. The face of entrepreneurship is changing dramatically, though, as the dawn of the 21st Century looms. Electronic commerce, the buying and selling of goods and services over the Internet, is already booming, accounting for a share of the gross domestic product that grows by leaps and bounds with each passing month. The outfit rightfully calling itself "Earth's biggest bookstore" is an Internet e-commerce venture. And it encourages small-scale e-commerce entrepreneurship by offering commissions to any webmaster who directs would-be book buyers to them from his or her own website. The principle is simple, and Amazon isn't alone in pioneering this concept. In effect, my own McGehee Zone Bookstore is the Internet version of a traditional franchise, without the huge start-up costs associated with opening a bricks-and-mortar McDonald's. Any business concept that has worked in the pre-electronic marketplace can be adapted to e-commerce. And all of them ARE being adapted. Free men don't work for wages. Those who wish to be free are, I'm sure, always looking for an opportunity to win their freedom. The place to be looking right now is cyberspace. My Amazon-associated bookstore certainly isn't the only opportunity I'm exploring. In a day when it seems that the freedom of wage-serfs is constantly being squeezed into nothingness, it's reassuring to know that there are alternatives. You just need to know where to look, or whom to ask. - -30- May 22, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. 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