From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #261 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 261 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) > >job from political hacks who recommend them. In stead of bitching about >how much the Republican and Democrats suck we need to simply take over the >party power. It is to late in the game to form a new party or elect a 3ed >party candidate. Besides a conservative party or Christian party or gun >owners party or anti-abortion party can only muster 30%. You have to play >to the middle dumb un-informed voters who can so easily be swayed by TV >liberals. There is no easy magic bullet like a 3ed party yet. Hard work >from with in both party in this 2 party system is the best plan of action. >Regards, >Paul Watson > Paul, You are exactly right here. 3rd party is nonsense, its like tilting at windmills. If you really believe that G.W. is pro-gun, I would go with him. R's are working on passing a tax cut that: eliminates the AMT and estate taxes and cuts rates in each bracket by 10%. (That brings the top bracket down to 35.64, still a long way from Reagan's 28% top bracket). Republican moderates are blocking it in the House. Losers. We need to displace those moderates. My issues are : 1. guns, 2. taxes. I've got some little issues around privacy, regulation, encryption, and property rights, but if we can get the two elemental issues square, the rest will follow. Guns and Taxes. Keep the guns and get rid of the taxes. regards, Jack Curtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:23:19 -0700 From: skip Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) Bill Vance wrote: > > >From the Noban list. > > On Jul 21, Paul M Watson wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Bill Vance wrote: > > >On Jul 20, McGeheeZone.com wrote: > > > >>Bryan Williams wrote: > >>>Help us take back the Republican party. No matter what you do for the > >>>Presidential primary, get involved at the Precinct level and state party > >>>level. The State GOP chairs, elected by the State Committees, who are in > >>>turn elected by the grassroots, make up 1/3 of the Republican National > >>>Committee, which elects the National Chairman. The other 2/3 are made up > >>>of people chosen by the delegates to the National Convention. (This is why > >>>Presidential politics is important - we need good people as delegates to > >>>the National Convention). While this varies from state to state, the > >>>process is basically the same. Find out what it is, recruit, train, and > >>>take over. It can be done. > >> > >>Now THAT makes sense! I have no problem with this goal or methodology, but would throw in one note of caution. The Christian Coalition adopted this strategy earlier, and got off to a great start. Unfortunately, the outcome was far short of what they hoped because they didn't really take over the party. Instead, by violating the first principle of politics - compromise - they split the party and started an internal power struggle that effectively gave the Democrats (Clinton and the congressional minority) control of the national agenda despite controlling both houses of congress, many state legislatures and most governor's mansions. The lesson learned, I think, is that if you're going to take over a party, remember always that it's the power you're after, not sole control of the agenda. If you can get and keep the power, you can advance your agenda - in time and with patience - but first and foremost you've got to develop and keep a broad base of popular support. Single issue zealotry won't do that, as the Christian Coalition's anti-abortion movement has proven in spades. The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their priorities. They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized footnote in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT to do. FWIW, Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 99 12:24:43 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) On Jul 21, skip wrote: >Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >From the Noban list. >> >> On Jul 21, Paul M Watson wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >On Jul 20, McGeheeZone.com wrote: >> > >> >>Bryan Williams wrote: >> >>>Help us take back the Republican party. No matter what you do for the >> >>>Presidential primary, get involved at the Precinct level and state party >> >>>level. The State GOP chairs, elected by the State Committees, who are in >> >>>turn elected by the grassroots, make up 1/3 of the Republican National >> >>>Committee, which elects the National Chairman. The other 2/3 are made up >> >>>of people chosen by the delegates to the National Convention. (This is why >> >>>Presidential politics is important - we need good people as delegates to >> >>>the National Convention). While this varies from state to state, the >> >>>process is basically the same. Find out what it is, recruit, train, and >> >>>take over. It can be done. >> >> >> >>Now THAT makes sense! > >I have no problem with this goal or methodology, but would throw in one >note of caution. The Christian Coalition adopted this strategy earlier, >and got off to a great start. Unfortunately, the outcome was far short >of what they hoped because they didn't really take over the party. >Instead, by violating the first principle of politics - compromise - >they split the party and started an internal power struggle that >effectively gave the Democrats (Clinton and the congressional minority) >control of the national agenda despite controlling both houses of >congress, many state legislatures and most governor's mansions. I don't think it was them so much as the Liberal/Moderate/Country Club set that split the Party and started the Power Struggle, not to mention the demonization. Granted, Christian Coalition had their part to play in this, but it was minimal compared to what the rest did about/to them. >The lesson learned, I think, is that if you're going to take over a >party, remember always that it's the power you're after, not sole >control of the agenda. If you can get and keep the power, you can >advance >your agenda - in time and with patience - but first and foremost you've >got to develop and keep a broad base of popular support. Single issue >zealotry won't do that, as the Christian Coalition's anti-abortion >movement has proven in spades. > >The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but >they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with >the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - >putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread >support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and >scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their >priorities. >They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized >footnote >in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT >to do. > >FWIW, Skip. That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:55:32 -0700 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) Bill Vance wrote: >On Jul 21, skip wrote: > [***snip***] >>The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but >>they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with >>the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - >>putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread >>support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and >>scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their >>priorities. >>They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized >>footnote >>in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT >>to do. >> >>FWIW, Skip. > >That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. > D'ya suppose they could be persuaded to work for the Democrats? Just a thought. harryb - -- "Promote then as an object of primary importance, Institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened." G. Washington, Farewell Address, 1796. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:46:14 -0700 From: skip Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) "Harry E. Barnett" wrote: > > Bill Vance wrote: > > >On Jul 21, skip wrote: > > > [***snip***] > >>The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but > >>they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with > >>the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - > >>putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread > >>support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and > >>scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their > >>priorities. > >>They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized > >>footnote > >>in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT > >>to do. > >> > >>FWIW, Skip. > > > >That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. > > > > D'ya suppose they could be persuaded to work for the Democrats? > > Just a thought. harryb > Harry, I didn't go into it in my little sermonette, but you and I, as WA residents, have a case in point that others do not - Ellen Craswell's campaign for governor. Her solid 17% of devoted Christian supporters gave her a solid victory in a 7-candidate primary, but in the general election, her devoted Christian backing wasn't nearly enough to avoid a humiliating defeat. I can see the RKBA folks repeating that delusional mistake unless they adopt a "big tent" philosophy. Where's Loboazul (RIP) when we need him? He understood this politics crap perfectly. Skip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 99 21:40:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) On Jul 21, skip wrote: >"Harry E. Barnett" wrote: >> >> Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >On Jul 21, skip wrote: >> > >> [***snip***] >> >>The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but >> >>they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with >> >>the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - >> >>putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread >> >>support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and >> >>scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their >> >>priorities. >> >>They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized >> >>footnote >> >>in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT >> >>to do. >> >> >> >>FWIW, Skip. >> > >> >That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. >> > >> >> D'ya suppose they could be persuaded to work for the Democrats? >> >> Just a thought. harryb Not a bad one either. We need good folks engaging in Politics in _all_ Parties, to oust/freeze out the Statists everywhere. The more the merrier! >Harry, > >I didn't go into it in my little sermonette, but you and I, as WA >residents, have a case in point that others do not - Ellen Craswell's >campaign for governor. Her solid 17% of devoted Christian supporters >gave her a solid victory in a 7-candidate primary, but in the general >election, her devoted Christian backing wasn't nearly enough to avoid >a humiliating defeat. Having a bout with Cancer didn't help her chances much either. Her Hubby engaging in a Spoiler race after that didn't endear him to nuch of anybody, but then he didn't care. Such didn't help the 3P's reputation with a lot of folks. > I can see the RKBA folks repeating that delusional >mistake unless they adopt a "big tent" philosophy. Where's Loboazul (RIP) >when we need him? He understood this politics crap perfectly. > >Skip. Kevin McGehee has, (by default), filled his shoes to some extent, over on NoBan, but even though some of us voted him, "List Lobo", in recognition, it was not unanimous, even though there were no negative votes, so he thanked us and begged off. None of us can do all the things Jim did, in all ways, but we all carry on as best we can. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:23:00 -0700 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) A "big tent" philosophy is the same as "least of two evils". If you want to make social change, have a consistent 5% of the vote that can swing the election. RKBA loses every time people chose "least of 2 evils" instead of the Libertarian Party when faced with choices such as Feinstein vs ?idiot Republican opponent in last campaign?. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of skip > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:46 PM > To: roc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) > > > > > "Harry E. Barnett" wrote: > > > > Bill Vance wrote: > > > > >On Jul 21, skip wrote: > > > > > [***snip***] > > >>The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great > start, but > > >>they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people > off (with > > >>the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was > impatience - > > >>putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting > widespread > > >>support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and > > >>scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their > > >>priorities. > > >>They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized > > >>footnote > > >>in the history books, whose principal value is to teach > others what NOT > > >>to do. > > >> > > >>FWIW, Skip. > > > > > >That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. > > > > > > > D'ya suppose they could be persuaded to work for the Democrats? > > > > Just a thought. harryb > > > > Harry, > > I didn't go into it in my little sermonette, but you and I, as WA > residents, have a case in point that others do not - Ellen Craswell's > campaign for governor. Her solid 17% of devoted Christian supporters > gave her a solid victory in a 7-candidate primary, but in the general > election, her devoted Christian backing wasn't nearly enough to avoid > a humiliating defeat. I can see the RKBA folks repeating that delusional > mistake unless they adopt a "big tent" philosophy. Where's > Loboazul (RIP) > when we need him? He understood this politics crap perfectly. > > Skip. > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:29:45 -0700 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) The way you make both parties pro-RKBA is to have the swing vote, and resolutely vote for iron-clad promises, and resolutely vote against both parties when they don't have acceptable candidates. Only by having a consistent segment of votes which can be gained by adnering to the 2nd Amendment can we win this fight. We don't need to "win" every election in the sense of supporting the least of 2 evils. All that does is allow the Republican to be better than Feinstein, for example, and vote for more "moderate" gun control measures. We win by denying the election to even moderates on this issue, by voting for the absolutely acceptable candidate. Only then can the votes be counted by the major party candidates, and figured into the next election. Lew Glendenning > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Curtis > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:23 AM > To: roc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) > > > > > >job from political hacks who recommend them. In stead of bitching about > >how much the Republican and Democrats suck we need to simply > take over the > >party power. It is to late in the game to form a new party or elect a 3ed > >party candidate. Besides a conservative party or Christian party or gun > >owners party or anti-abortion party can only muster 30%. You have to play > >to the middle dumb un-informed voters who can so easily be swayed by TV > >liberals. There is no easy magic bullet like a 3ed party yet. Hard work > >from with in both party in this 2 party system is the best plan > of action. > >Regards, > >Paul Watson > > > Paul, > > You are exactly right here. 3rd party is nonsense, its like > tilting at windmills. > > If you really believe that G.W. is pro-gun, I would go with him. > > R's are working on passing a tax cut that: eliminates the AMT and > estate taxes and cuts rates in each bracket by 10%. > > (That brings the top bracket down to 35.64, still a long way > from Reagan's 28% top bracket). > > Republican moderates are blocking it in the House. Losers. > > We need to displace those moderates. My issues are : > > 1. guns, 2. taxes. I've got some little issues around privacy, > regulation, encryption, and property rights, but if we can get the > two elemental issues square, the rest will follow. > > Guns and Taxes. Keep the guns and get rid of the taxes. > > regards, > > Jack Curtis > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:32:26 -0700 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) On Thursday, July 22, 1999 4:23 PM, Lew Glendenning [SMTP:rlglende@alink.net] wrote: > > A "big tent" philosophy is the same as "least of two evils". > > If you want to make social change, have a consistent 5% of the vote > that can swing the election. > > RKBA loses every time people chose "least of 2 evils" instead of the > Libertarian Party when faced with choices such as Feinstein vs ?idiot > Republican opponent in last campaign?. > > Lew Once one decides that either of the two major parties is worse than the other ..... or can do no more harm....then it is easy enough to vote libertarian or UStaxpayers...... But then the thing to do is to point out to your rep / senator that last time he only won by 5 percent and while your candidate: Libertarian / US Taxpayers may well not get much over 5 percent this is enough to cause your rep to lose while it matters not a whit to us any longer whether the Republicans or Democrats are shredding the constitution it matters considerably to those presently elected or planning on seeking office. Who knows it might even penetrate their skulls by election time that while a Libertarian or US TAXPAYER can not win they can certainly keep either of the other parties from winning in any virtually any race then the present establishment might find it expedient to vote a lot of things they promised n years and undo lots of horrible things they have done since Jack - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 99 18:45:19 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) On Jul 22, Lew Glendenning wrote: >The way you make both parties pro-RKBA is to have the swing vote, and >resolutely vote for iron-clad promises, and resolutely vote against >both parties when they don't have acceptable candidates. Granted, but we also need letter writers constantly bitching them out for voting the HCI line, and telling them, "You _would_ have had my vote, but...." >Only by having a consistent segment of votes which can be gained by adnering >to the 2nd Amendment can we win this fight. We still have to tell them when they cross the line. >We don't need to "win" every election in the sense of supporting the least >of 2 evils. All that does is allow the Republican to be better than >Feinstein, for example, and vote for more "moderate" gun control measures. > >We win by denying the election to even moderates on this issue, by voting >for the absolutely acceptable candidate. Only then can the votes be counted >by the major party candidates, and figured into the next election. Sometimes at any rate. If a 3P Candidate has an even chance, fine, but otherwise, voting for someone who loses just gets one of the above into Office. Better a wishy-washy, "Moderate", than a guaranteed Socialist. At least the, "Moderate", might be amenable to pressure. And again, tell them, "if they don't start flying right," ....... >Lew Glendenning - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 99 08:53:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: S L I C K Year 4, Issue 32 (1/3) (fwd) On Jul 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost is granted, in full preferred. 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Send e-mail for details to RichSlick. PARTING THOUGHT Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. Hmmm. Maybe we should apply this to the tv-networks mainstream press, etc. also. How novel. Words to live by. * * * * *=20 Subscribe to this Slick e-zine featuring Kathie's Korner, and receive absolutely free, a copy of Rich's Major Media=20 Mailing List containing over 400 e-mail addresses. To=20 subscribe, send your check for $24.95 to the address at the=20 top of this message. Be sure to include your e-mail address. THE TRUTH IS...=20 A. Powerful. C. In the eye of the beholder.=20 B. Irrelevant. D. All of the above. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 99 08:52:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: S L I C K Year 4, Issue 32 (2/3) (fwd) On Jul 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] on there being a "surplus" in any given year. Not a bad=20 idea. Now let's have the same contingency added to every=20 new spending bill. Truth is, we all know, spending, not tax=20 laws, will determine the total taxes we end up paying. If=20 they spend it, we end up paying for it. The less of our=20 money they spend, the less taxes we have to pay. Why is=20 that so hard to understand? =20 Drudge=20 MARRIAGE PENALTY TAX The GOP $800 bil (over 10 years) tax cut making it's way=20 thru Congress includes a REDUCTION in the amount of new taxes a couple pays when they choose to stop living-in-sin=20 and get married. Perhaps I should look at this as "a half a loaf", but I just think it's like the lesser of two evils. Taxing=20 people when they marry, and making d-i-v-o-r-c-e the=20 only loop hole, is counter-productive to our society, our=20 nation and our families. It flies in the face of good govt. Receive E-mail=20 Updates from Senator Ashcroft! =20 INTEREST ON NATL DEBT COMES DUE That ugly old national debt increased $70,054,451,201.23=20 in June...that wasn't a $ 70 bil increase in the debt in June.=20 That was the INTEREST payment on the debt in June!=20 Meantime the world just sleeps while our pockets and our=20 children's pockets get picked! =20 Bill S. < uw-bill@uwsa.com >=20 VALU-JET I suspect that employees, and perhaps companies, are=20 criminally liable for the Valu-Jet fatal crash. I read where=20 the pilot was earning $25K a year, about 1/6 of her counter- parts in the major airlines. Nevertheless, what bothers me=20 most is: why is the govt just getting around to bringing the=20 criminal charges? Everyone of US is guaranteed a speedy=20 trial by our contract with our govt. It used to be that=20 justice delayed was justice denied. Many a guilty person was=20 set free because of the govt's stalling tactics.=20 Question: why are these charges being leveled at this time?=20 RADIO TALK SHOW Mark Davis' talk show is broadcast nationally from Ft=20 Worth on ABC Sundays. He's sharp as a tack, but last week he=20 said something that surprised me. He was denigrating the=20 rights of Indians on their reservations. Effectively he was=20 saying: you and your lands are part of the USA, just like=20 the rest of us, GET USED TO IT. Problem is, this doesn't=20 take into account the various treaties and laws passed by=20 our Congress. It seems that Davis figures those aren't any=20 more binding on our govt than the 2nd Amendment. Question. If the laws of the nation aren't any more binding=20 than the words of our infamous leader, what are we?=20 AN INTERESTING ITEM Blood Alcohol Number. The General Accounting Office=20 (GAO) released the results of an investigation into positive=20 impacts of moving the blood alcohol limit from 0.1% to=20 0.08%. They found that the 16 states that have adopted the=20 lower limit have seen no change in the number nor severity=20 of auto accidents since the change. The finding refutes=20 claims by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and=20 Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Anchorage Daily News, 7/12.=20 More Interesting Items can be now be found on Rod Martin's=20 (no relation) "Vanguard" at =20 Interesting Items by Alex Gim= arc =20 KATHIE'S KORNER Just finished reading a book called "Better Not Bigger."=20 Thought it might have been written by Pamela Anderson Lee=20 after her much-touted surgery, but no! It was written by an=20 even bigger boob, name of Eben Fodor. Early in the book he=20 refers to the property rights paradox, where people keep=20 wanting to decide what they can do with what they own and=20 forgetting, he says, that all such rights are given to us by=20 government. WHOA! Have we come that far since the=20 Declaration of Independence? I haven't.=20 But I'm glad I read it, because it points out so well=20 why we should depend on government for police protection,=20 including military protection, and for judges. NOT for our=20 water, air, food, education and sanitation. Mr. Fodor says=20 that everytime another family is added to the community,=20 they create a drain on the economy. This is only true when =20 govt, which hasn't a clue how to run a business and does not=20 want to learn, provides the necessities. Mr. Fodor and his=20 compatriots want communities to stop growth until they can=20 provide the necessary infrastructure. Can you imagine=20 Safeway stores saying they're going to lock their grocery=20 stores during the periods of heaviest shopping until they=20 can afford to grow? Or Chevron gas stations closing down=20 during the peak driving season lest they spend too much on=20 labor and overhead? Pray for wisdon and for the country. Reply to: Kathie < fishrap@netdex.com >=20 Congratulations, Kathie. This is your 100th column in Slick.=20 Very much appreciated by me and many readers. REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when cops eliminated suspects, instead of illuminating them?=20 when Carter was prez, and we had double digit inflation?=20 First thing we did when we got home from the grocery store=20 was to peel off the price ticket, to see how much the price=20 went up since it was first placed on the shelf. Two price=20 increases was not unusual. when LBJ was prez, and every hot summer weekend we braced=20 ourselves for another inner city burning, Chgo, Watts, etc?=20 when you saw a small plane in the sky, pointed it out and said: "there's a Piper Cub!"=20 PEN PALS Darlie Routier has been being held at Lew Sterett jail=20 in Dallas for the last 8 mos. Sunday, she was allowed to=20 address a group of supporters who raised $1,000 for her=20 appeal. The lady was railroaded. Y2K [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #261 *************************