From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #277 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, September 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 277 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:26:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] SLICK Special (fwd) On Aug 31, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I recd the below e-mail from owner-uwsa@uwsa.com It's calling for a (temporary) alliance between the 3rd, 4th & 5th political parties to compete with the Big 2. It seems to me it would be a short cut to the top, even if the alliance doesn't last for eternity. The hope would be to replace one of two major parties with one that would offer an alternative. Send your ideas/suggestions to Bill < owner-uwsa@uwsa.com > and do it NOW. To: uwsa@uwsa.com, grassrootsreform@egroups.com As we think more seriously about presidential candidates and campaigns, we start to think about an alliance of third parties to compete more successfully with the Republicrats. One group is seriously exploring the possibility of a partnership between Reform and Libertarian nominating Ron Paul - see: http://www.majority.com I suggest we need MORE than this - we NEED a NON-Republicrat president. There is too much stench, and too much tolerance for stench, in today's Washington (we can all remember a variety for which the lid came off during recent years; lid seems to be coming off Waco; haven't heard much about TWA 800 recently but a quick search just now showed me the lid may be cracking there (two LIVE pages and titles for others that might be live)). PROPOSED, for Presidential nomination and campaign: An alliance among as many third parties as can see the advantages to this: An alliance platform, emphasizing the planks the alliance shares enthusiasm for; agreeing on planks that some feel to be essential and others are willing to go along with to make the alliance practical; excluding issues for which agreement is not practical. Alliance candidates for president and vice president, committed to campaigning on the platform AND supporting it while in office. All the third parties in each state cooperating in whatever manner is practical to route all third party votes to the alliance candidates: In NY and similar states, each alliance party simply nominates the ONE alliance slate of electors, and the votes get summed together. Where necessary, look for who has ballot status and can use it, who is most desperate to use alliance vote count to get/keep ballot status, etc. For planks, a few samples to think on: Most realize the national debt needs reduction - should not be a serious problem. Need some negotiation as to how much adjustment via decreasing spending and how much via increasing taxes. Most want to do SOMETHING to the tax system. There being no visible agreement, perhaps leave this up to the candidates. I believe most can sign up that the federal government shall not try to outlaw abortion - that while those who are against abortion have the right to honor their beliefs in their own lives, they should not be able to force non-believers to comply with those beliefs, anti-choice style. A solidly anti-choice party simply does not fit in the alliance many of us picture. A party willing to cooperate in reducing the frequency of women seeing abortion as the best solution to their problems should be able to find a home in the alliance. Immigration is a real hot button for some parties - negotiation time. Bill of Rights is a hot button. Hopefully the alliance can agree on ending the destruction if it is not up to undoing the current damage. Alliance needs to get organized QUICKLY and find candidates QUICKLY - being an alliance will make this a complex project. PROPOSED, for non-Presidential efforts: The cooperation discussed above does not require cooperation here, though taking the edge off the rhetoric could help. davek@baka.com http://www.baka.com/webpages3/davek Dave Ketchum 108 Halstead Ave, Owego, NY 13827-1708 607-687-5026 Do to no one what you would not want done to you! =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com Subject: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/richslick http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 10:24:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 14:13:18 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Mike McNulty to be on Nightline Tonight] (fwd) On Sep 01, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI, Rick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:35:12 -0600 From: Randy Trochmann Reply-To: militia@montana.com Organization: Militia of Montana To: "M.O.M. Email Alert List" Subject: FWD: Mike McNulty to be on Nightline Tonight Subject: Mike McNulty Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:30:28 -0500 From: Michael Boone To: (Recipient list suppressed) Mike McNulty just called to say he will be on Nightline tonight! In case some of you do not know who Mike McNulty is, he is the guy who found the evidence that is causing all this stir about the Feds lies about Waco! - -- Join the Militia of Montana Email Alert List by writing to: militia@montana.com with SUBSCRIBE in the Subject Line! Visit our web site at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana to stay informed with the latest news on the topics of MARTIAL LAW; UN TROOPS; GUN LEGISLATION; UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES, plus much more. Visit our Patriot Calendar of Events at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana/calendar.htm to stay abreast of all the great meetings, conferences and expos that are held nation-wide. Check out your state listing. 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Box 1486, Noxon, MT 59853 Tel: 406-847-2735 n Fax: 406-847-2246 http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana militia@montana.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 99 10:59:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Gun Rights Poll Link! Please Distribute! (fwd) On Sep 2, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Return-path: NJGunsRus@aol.com From: NJGunsRus@aol.com Full-name: NJGunsRus Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:31:40 EDT Subject: Gun Rights Poll Link! Please Distribute! Please Vote (Early & Often)! http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blgpoll.htm?pid=3D2771&cob=3Dhome HREF=3D"http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blgpoll.htm?pid=3D2771&cob=3Dh= ome">Arm s and Government Abuses Poll - Civil Liberti=85 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 99 10:12:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Bill Clinton's Third Term (fwd) We've all had our occaissional suspicions about Bubba, but now it's getting into the news. Maybe it's time we call/fax/write our Critters, and _demand_ the removal of this Administration, as well as repeal of the Emergency/War Powers Act..... On Sep 3, John Fisher wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi folks, I've hesitated for days to pass this on, knowing all the while I probably would. There are a few (myself included) that have been putting forth this possibility for months upon months, not wondering IF martial law would be declared and elections suspended, but WHEN. The usual response from those that don't believe in fairy tales of the rich and famous is a massive eyeroll and a blatant whatEVER look on their faces. But lest we forget.... China is looming large as a threat, with "outposts" in Long Beach California and the Panama Canal. Russia and China have signed agreements and working on others to be best buddies. The US military, by many accounts, is spread way too thin and underfunded and most of this has happened in the last seven years. There are enough executive orders written by Bubba that if all were instituted, would reduce this country from a Constitutional Republic to a Communist State. Overnight. Or sooner. Its just a matter of time. Some of you may say I'm spreading needless propaganda, but if the 80 people in Waco or the 165 people in Oklahoma City or the hundreds elsewhere that have been victimized by US could speak, I don't believe they would agree. The following is presented unedited. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: Koenig's International News To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Bill Clinton's Third Term Note from Bill Koenig: I typically don't distribute news like this, but with the United States at such a critical point in many world events, and the fact this information is from the credible Newsmax.com news service, I decided to pass this on to you for your thought and prayer. **** Sunday August 29, 6:03 PM Bill Clinton's "Third Term" http://216.46.238.34/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/8/29/171120 With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff- For the story behind the story... Sean David Morton is a futurologist. He says he can predict the future. Morton, no doubt, has many friends in Hollywood that like such new age stuff. A NewsMax reader sent us a copy of Morton's "The Delphi Associates Newsletter." The following caught Inside Cover's eye: "I have now heard confirmation from three different sources who are very close to the Clintons that Bill has no intention of leaving the White House! At first I thought it was just right-wing paranoia. But a powerful woman friend of mine in entertainment (who must remain nameless!), who is a friend of Hillary's 'special friends,' was at the White House recently for a holiday. She said that Clinton spoke openly about finding a way to circumvent the Congress and the Constitution and find a way to stay on for another term, or stay president indefinitely. Incredulously, she asked how he was going to swing this feat of magic, and she said he got the most chilling, evil, demonic look in his eye that she had ever seen come from a human being, and he said, 'World War III.'" "This same story I heard from my lady friend, and another relation of the Clintons, was recently confirmed in an article by Ralph Forbes. It seems Clinton has been running this scheme past a number of his inner circle, and is actively seeking ways to implement his goal." Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig - http://watch.org/ Post Office Box 671127, Dallas, TX 75367 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 99 21:48:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Professional Viewpoint on Gun Control (fwd) On Sep 03, David Wisniewski wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: http://www.washtimes.com/politics/inside.html Professional viewpoint Sammy "the Bull" Gravano, the Mafia turncoat, was asked about gun control in an interview in Vanity Fair. "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters," Gravano said. "I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 99 21:43:53 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PA-RKBA! History Channel Poll (fwd) On Sep 03, by way of Richard Mase wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Just saw this poll on tv. Should the right to bear arms be repealed? we are WINNING! 81% NO! Rick http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/ - -- - -- Be sure to visit RKBA UNDER ATTACK! A web page containing copies of all the news clips, (Now includes text transcriptions for easier reading) dedicated to Brian Mase who is now serving 8.5 to 20 years in a state penetentiary for defending his home against a deranged intruder. http://www.leba.net/people/rickmase Contributions can be mailed to Brian S. Mase Defense Fund 254 S. 12th St. rear Lebanon, PA 17042 Over 150 World-Class= Brands Should the right to bear arms be repealed? A. Yes B. No - ---------- Yahoo! is a trademark of Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 1999 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/
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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 99 23:23:26 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] SLICK *** CLINTON QUOTE *** (fwd) On Sep 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Calif GOP is considering the use of the following quote which they lifted from an E-amil I sent out. As much as I wich I had thought of it myself, I did not. Nor have I been able to identify from whom I scooped. If you know where the below quote first appeared, please contact Daryl.Thomas@SEN.CA.GOV "I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world, and we may have to confront it again." - -- President Bill Clinton, regarding the fiery conclusion to the seige at WacoSubj: *** CLINTON QUOTE *** Date: 9/1/1999 2:18:25 PM Central Daylight Time From: Daryl.Thomas@SEN.CA.GOV (Daryl Thomas) To: RichSlick@AOL.COM (RichSlick) Dear Mr. Martin: This E-mail is in response to our telephone discussion, concerning attribution for the following quote which you recently distributed: "I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world, and we may have to confront it again." - -- President Bill Clinton, regarding the fiery conclusion to the seige at Waco I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide an attribution, so that we may use it as our "quote of the day" in Sen. Haynes' floor alert to the Senate Republican members of the California Legislature. You can review samples of our Watchlist at http://WWW.sen.ca.gov/htbin/testbin/member_infodated?sen.senator.hayne s.1watch Thank you, Daryl Thomas [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 99 08:58:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Waco Solution (fwd) On Sep 04, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 07:25:34 -0500 From: Jack DeVault Subject: The Waco Solution Friends: The news is full of =93WACO=94 and =93RENO=94 and government= =93INVESTIGATIONS=94 which will bring us =93JUSTICE.=94 Janet Reno is now trying to select an =93independent=94 investigator because the Department of Justice now =93wants to get to the bottom of this and discover the real truth.=94 Let=92s try to get some of this stuff in perspective: There are seven Branch Davidians who stood trial for Murder and Conspiracy to Commit Murder. They were found =93NOT GUILTY=94 of those crimes.by a jury who examined tons of evidence and heard testimony of about one hundred witnesses. Despite the fact that they were found innocent of these crimes by the jury, they were found guilty of Voluntary Manslaughter, the charge for killing in self defense. The judge, Walter S. Smith, at the urging of the prosecutor, William Johnston, assessed five of these Branch Davidians 40 years in prison because he said that they had defended themselves with illegal automatic weapons. Now we are hearing that the evidence will be re-examined =96 that the evidence will be placed under the authority of that same federal judge. We are told that the same federal prosecutor has known all along of this new evidence that pyrotechnic rounds were fired into the compound. Of course he did!!! He was the one who called FBI Special Agent R.J Craig to the trial to testify about the events on that final fatal day. They both heard Craig tell how his instructions were to first destroy the trapdoor and tunnel entrance into the underground bus at the north end of the building. Then Johnston and Smith both heard Craig testify under oath that four Bradley vehicles (armored personnel carriers) fired 300 - 400 ferret rounds into that flimsy church/dormitory/gymnasium complex that the media has taught us to call =93THE COMPOUND.=94 Ferret rounds are 40 millimeter mortars containing CS gas that is exploded on contact by a pyrotechnic charge. Do not be deceived. The people who are now acting like investigators: Reno, Smith and Johnston, are foxes disguised in chicken costumes. They have been cavorting in the hen house for the past six years. If they have their way we will have a new effort to find a few scapegoats and complete the Waco Whitewash and bury it forever. We, the People, must demand that the investigator be named by us. Otherwise, he will be one whose FBI file has been examined and who can be manipulated and controlled. We, the People, must demand someone who will fearlessly expose every complicit federal criminal or we will simply have more wool pulled over our eyes. Our Constitution, which was violated by those sworn to defend and protect it, will be ground into the junkyard of history along with the Magna Carta, the Common Law, and the Ten Commandments if we fail to act. We, the People, have this opportunity to demand peacefully and responsibly the restoration of proper order by seeing to it that a man with unassailable integrity is appointed by the Congress to examine witnesses and evidence =96 without regard to whomever Janet Reno may appoint. Congressman Dan Burton has the authority to appoint such a man. GERRY SPENCE! Gerry Spence was the defender of Randy Weaver after Ruby Ridge. Gerry Spence has demonstrated that he can identify and defeat the federal liars. Waco was a violation of us all =96 not just those besieged, burned out and slaughtered Branch Davidians. Please join me in besieging our representatives in Washington and tell them that we want Gerry Spence to be the Lead Investigator for the House Committee. Call your representative. Call your Senators. Call Congressman Dan Burton. They can all be reached toll-free at 1-888-449-3511 Write to Congressman Dan Burton 2185 Rayburn House Office Bldg. Washington, DC 20515 Peaceful action now can avert future Ruby Ridges, Wacos, and Oklahoma Cities. Thanks, Jack PLEASE FORWARD THIS MSG TO EVERYONE WHO IS CONCERNED AND MIGHT RESPOND. ******************************************************************* "We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20 as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20 attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20 public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20 governors would all become wolves." - Thomas Jefferson >From time to time I forward messages that I consider to be=20 worthwhile. Occasionally I may be moved to write a brief=20 editorial. If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20 with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback butterb@connecti.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 99 22:22:37 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #150 (fwd) On Sep 04, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia September 5, 1999 #150 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm - --------------------------------------------------------------------- RAMBLING ABOUT WACO The news made me so proud I dug through my stuff to find my old buddy's badge. Maybe I just wanted to hold it, but I used the excuse that it might need polishing, or something. He gave me the badge just before he died. I always meant to send it back to his department, but never seemed to get around to it. This was a guy who looked sort of like an old John Wayne -- tall, but you just know he must have done a lot of hard work in his life. I met him in a Michigan bar one night, many years ago. During a bar brawl. As it turned out, we both knew the establishment's owner. When the fight started, I meandered over to the far end of the bar -- down where the older man was talking with the owner -- to stay away from the action. The man yelled at them to stop. Foolish of the old man, I thought. Then, he looked at the owner and asked if he should stop it. The next thing I knew, this old guy gets up, briskly walks to the middle of the action and decks the two biggest guys. Everything stopped and he came back and sat down. That was it. We were introduced. He said he was retired. Over the next few weeks, we became friends. I was somewhat good with a handgun. He made me look like a Cub Scout at a pistol range. I knew dozens of "come-along" holds, he knew dozens more. I knew boxing and Judo, he quickly showed me how to make that knowledge inoperative. I noticed most of what was happening around me, he missed nothing. He was a retired Texas Ranger. An officer with a quarter century of street experience. He died before the Waco killings, and I'm almost glad. If there are more like him down there in Texas, I can imagine the string of expletives over the years. The Texas Rangers screwed up. They allowed those BATF cowboys to attack Texas citizens. Then, they allowed the FBI military squad-fire team and the Army Special Forces to come in and kill even more Texas citizens. The chain of command was FBI to Webster Hubbell at the Justice Department. Hubbell reported to Vincent Foster in the White House. Foster reported to his favorite squeeze, Hillary. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton are essentially out of this equation. The Army Special Forces disgraced their uniform by participating -- fully armed helicopters, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, tanks, automatic weapons, grenade launchers, "illumination" and "high explosive" grenade rounds, listening equipment, the whole ball of wax. There was a full company of them there. It was a disgrace. Criminal. Any cop on the street knows that tear gas canisters cause fire when shot into a building. The Justice Department admits to two large military canisters fired -- they fired them at a "bunker" because they thought it was protecting a group of small children. The sorry fact is, there were over one-hundred of the smaller tear gas canisters used that terrible day, too. All can and will cause fire. One Special Forces "Observer" drove his Army tank right into the center of the building, where people (read children) were expected to be. That can also cause fire. Death by crushing, too. The military and FBI shooters then used their guns to pick off those people who tried to escape the fire. That they intentionally killed those people is beyond a doubt. They made war on American people, conducted a full assault, tried to take no prisoners. But, there are some eye witnesses. There also are films, as the American public shall soon see. In a nutshell, what we saw at Waco was government totally out of control. A group of thugs, with badges, assaulted people who were not bothering anyone. Government agents tried a military-style sneak attack using aircraft, automatic weapons, and grenades. The people defended themselves, as was their right. The BATF was routed. So, Hillary sent in the FBI military trained squad fire team and the Army Special Forces. And, as per their training, they killed everyone they could. Then, they covered up as much of the evidence as they could. Buried it. Burned it. Destroyed it. But, like the people, not all of it went away. Suddenly, some Texas Rangers got religion, or something. They started looking at the "evidence." Expletives flowed all around for a while. They had been negligent. They allowed this to happen on their watch. Now, they want to "fix" it. It's about damn time! That was not homicide at Waco. It was murder. It was premeditated murder. Just because the men had badges and/or military shoulder patches does not change the situation one iota. They made war on American citizens who were bothering no one. They committed murder. That "authority" came from the White House does not change anything. That only means that even more people are involved in these war crimes. And, as for the Texas Rangers: Ain't it time for a grand jury yet? What are you guys waiting on, the FBI to investigate again, maybe? Shame! If there is to be yet another "investigation," Let's get Judicial Watch and/or Landmark Legal Foundation to act as public prosecutors. Then, swear in a company of Texas Rangers as federal officers. That is the only way people will believe the results. Otherwise, it will just be another Washington cover-up. Meanwhile, I'll polish that old badge in hopes that it still means something to someone down there in Texas. That badge belonged to an honorable man and shall be treated as such. Do the others? CHOOSING A PRESIDENT -- Paul? It would really be nice if we could pick a president who would actually honor and defend the Constitution. But, that seems difficult. For instance, the Tenth Amendment reads: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Contrary to the current belief of most of those in Washington, the United States Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to regulate our personal firearms. Therefore, that power is "reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The United States Supreme Court says that we may look to the Federalist Papers for interpretation of the intent of the Constitution's authors. Well, in The Federalist Papers No. 78, Alexander Hamilton instructs: "There is no position which depends on clearer principles than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid." We find it a problem when, even before winning the primary election, those who would be president admit publicly that they would violate the Constitution -- as some have done by proposing strict federal gun laws. Because, if the Constitution is not their standard for government, someone had better ask them what will be, if elected. Americans have a right to ask these types of inconvenient questions. Or, maybe that will not be necessary. There is one person in Washington who seems a consistent friend of the original intent of the Founding Fathers. He believes in all the things the Republican Party once used as a platform: smaller government, less taxes, fewer laws and regulations and personal freedom. He favors the right to "life, liberty and property" for all; the reason our Constitution was written. Of course, Rep. Ron Paul is not running for president. Not now, anyway. However, if a group called the "Grass Roots Committee to Draft Ron Paul" for President has its way, that may change. "Our purpose is simple, our goal will take much planning -- to draft sitting U.S. Representative Ron Paul of Texas, a reform and liberty-minded Constitutionalist, to run for President in 2000 as the nominated fusion candidate resulting from an alliance of the Reform Party and Libertarian Party, and any other parties (U. S. Taxpayers?) if they so desire. Our idea is that if we show Dr. Paul enough momentum and grass roots support that he will accept and run in 2000." http://www.majority.com Drafting Dr. Paul may be the toughest part of their plan. But, we would bet that if a couple thousand people from each State volunteer to work in the campaign five or six hours a week, it would look very attractive to him. Their idea of combining two or three of the smaller political parties is also workable. Most interesting, though, would be the campaign itself. What would the American people say of a candidate with a proven track record of protecting and defending the Constitution? We have not had a presidential candidate who actually wanted to run the federal government as intended by the Founding Fathers for a very long time. Do Americans want freedom? Do many of us even know what that means? (Find someone old to ask, it was neat.) What a concept! As a man mentioned last week, picture someone like Larry Klayman or Mark Levin as Attorney General. A lot of Washington insiders would certainly get real worried very fast and government would sure change in a hurry! Or. Consider someone like Professor Walter Williams as budget director or in a cabinet position. Then, consider three new Supreme Court justices who actually believe the Constitution shall limit the activities of the federal government. Such a dream! But, a doable dream. It only depends on how much Americans cherish their freedom. LAW BY FIAT IS A DICTATORSHIP Our federal government has not just changed over the past few years, it has metastasized. The federal government is now a sick parody of that which was intended by the Founding Fathers. For instance, consider the Marxist-tyrannical remark made recently by former Clinton advisor Paul Begala: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool," Begala said about one of Clinton's executive orders. No it's not. The unilateral making of law is not only unconstitutional and un-American, it's an outward sign of a trend toward dictatorship. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) seems to agree: "With a stroke of the pen, he may have done irreparable harm to individual rights and liberties. President Clinton seems bent on using his powers until someone says stop. President Clinton is running roughshod over our Constitution." Exactly. The administrative branch is tasked with enforcing the law. Not with making law. "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress," states part of the very first sentence of our Constitution. The words "All legislative Powers" are rather straightforward and easy to understand. No exceptions are granted. Now, contrast the uninformed remark of Paul Begala, above, with that of a Great American who completely understood our Constitution: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether on one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." So said James Madison in The Federalist Papers, No. 4. Madison labels the making and enforcement of law, by any one branch of government, as tyranny. Adding insult to injury, the power of issuing executive orders was invented by an executive order. And, one of the obvious problems with this process is that there are no clear boundaries on how far a President can go. It appears to be government by fiat, much as was the way of kings and emperors. Clinton vowed to pick up the law making process where Congress leaves off. To that end, Clinton has passed at least 301 formal executive orders since taking over the White House -- or about 46 executive orders a year. Actually, Congress could pass a bill blocking an executive order. But, if vetoed by the President, Congress would then need a two-thirds majority in both houses to override the veto. Don't hold your breath on that one. It will not be happening anytime soon. Still, there is an element of protest brewing in Congress. "Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has essentially ruled over time that the executive orders have the force and effect of law," said Rep. Jack Metcalf (R-WA), a leader in the House of a new uproar against executive orders. "Well, they don't, but if nobody's there to challenge them they continue to carry the effect and force of law." Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), filed a bill seeking to designate executive orders only as advisory, without the force of law, unless Congress approves. Paul's proposed "Separation of Powers Restoration Act" would limit their effect except in cases of pardons, military orders or directives required by a specific federal law. The bill, H. R. 2655, states that, "A Presidential order neither constitutes nor has the force of law and is limited in its application and effect to the executive branch," which is exactly what executive orders should be about. Because, "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress," is the law of the land. The President, on the other hand, is instructed by the Constitution to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." There is no Constitutional authority for a President to make laws, only to enforce them. The President, as any executive, may send orders (memos) of instruction to those offices under his control. But, these executive orders should have absolutely no effect on the life, liberty or property of the American people. LIBERAL HYPOCRISY Last Thursday morning, I received a call from someone from another county who appears to be a charter member of the bureaucratic hall of shame. She called to take me to task for publicly referring to two of her fellow bureaucrats as "idiots" and "morons" because they cannot seem to understand the law they are supposed to uphold. Unfortunately, this woman called me early in the morning when, due to a physical ailment, I am not in the best of moods and not in top mental form. Therefore, the conversation was a bit terse. "Some people may take offense at being called an idiot or moron," she started on me. "Great!" I replied. "That was my intent." "Now, wait a minute . . . you can't just go around calling people names like that," She continued. "We have to use a little common sense here." Wrong thing to say to me. . . . "Why not," I asked. "What are they going to do, arrest me for speech? Besides, there is no such thing as common sense. If common sense were common, everyone would have some and there wouldn't be any liberals." Silence. Evidently she was trying to think. By that time, I was trying to get coffee and did not want to be bothered any more, so I lit into her a little to make her go away. "If you liberals would start teaching American government properly in school again, you would know about things like the Tenth Amendment, State's Rights and the separation of powers. It is not my fault if you do not understand and refuse to learn." Something else was said, but I could not hear it clearly because I was hanging up the telephone at the time. It was time for me to sit down and read e-mail and newspapers until I got to feeling a little better. Soon I was laughing about the incident because it reminded me of something said in a presidential campaign I worked in 19 years ago: "I would never accuse our political opponents of ignorance. It's just that there are so many people in Washington who know so many things that aren't true." That was Ronald Reagan at his best, of course. And it still applies to many people in all levels of government. When it comes to following the law, government officials demand the full compliance of citizens, but public officials usually do as they please. Then, when it looks like they may get exposed publicly, they compound the issue with a cover-up. The reason there are so many scandals in government is simply because so many public officials sometimes act like idiots and then do moronic things to cover it up. If every public official were required, under pain of imprisonment, to obey every law completely, we would soon have a lot less laws. ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #277 *************************