From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #301 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, November 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 301 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 99 08:43:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: From "Across the Pond" (fwd) Go get'em Queenie; Sick'em! :-) On Nov 09, Mike Riddle wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From "across the pond." Tony Blair & Co. learn from Bill and Janet's Awsome Adventures - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quite a good Eurofaq gathering in Cambridge the other day. Met Miles Lallamant, Mark [Marco1] (who is a real person after all, and not just another name for Greg), Greg Lance Watkins himself, and another Eurofaq members who name I can't remember right now - friend of Miles. Most of the evening was taken up by Greg addressing a meeting of the Cambridge branch of the Democracy Movement. First of all, let me say that I take back everything bad I have ever said about GLW. Not only has he been right about what he has said, but I have misjudged him because of minor things like the volume of his mail, unsolicited message sending, and because his misspells "woffle". After Greg's excellent talk, I have come to the considered conclusion that the events surrounding the Dunblane massacre, and the subsequent submissions to the Cullen enquiry that have been put under to 100 years of secrecy, far out weigh in political significance issues such as our opposition to the EU & what it entails. It is inconceivable that T Blair, Jack Straw & Gordon Brown can survive in office as this matter becomes known. It totally undermines the Labour government, and could easily be a case of the Queen feeling she has to use reserve powers to call an emergency general election, such would be the loss of confidence. This scandal is far more important that anything that has happened here in living memory, in fact I can think of no parallel for it. It certainly pisses all over anything that happened to Kennedy or was done by Nixon. I am surprised, given the gravity of this matter, that attempt has yet to be made on his life, for surely we are dealing with desperate people here. It also explains a few strange things, such as just why T Blair & co. were so keen to ban all hand guns, and why such obviously talentless nobodies like George Robertson have risen from being backbench nobodies a couple of years ago to Defence Secretary, and now Secretary-General of Nato. Put it together for yourself. Ostensibly, Thomas Hamilton, a man who has moved from town to town in Scotland setting up 'Boys clubs', suspected of paedophilia for years, took his guns into the Dunblane school gym and brutally murdered a large number of five year old children inside, before turning the gun on himself. Now where in this is there a national security risk so great, that documents part of the public enquiry are now state secrets to be held for 100 years? Funny kind of public enquiry. Why, when Thomas Hamilton's application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character & him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, our friend George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services? Or take a certain boat seized on Loch Ness by the Strathclyde Police. It is a very rare thing for assets to be seized in the UK, as their are no asset-forfeiture laws. When it does happen, there is normally a trial at least, with things only being seized if they are proven to be bought with money proven to be consequence of a proven crime. Even then, they are sold by public auction. How come, then, was this very valuable boat sold for the tiny sum of 5000, without an auction, to none other than our friend Thomas Hamilton, a man of no financial means whatsoever, nor a sailor, nor lived anywhere near any open water. Why did not the boats owners complain about having their property stolen from them in this manner? I can only conclude because it was being used for some very serious criminal activity, and those on board were merely glad to escape prosecution. Also, it seems rather odd in such circumstances that not only were the owners happy to avoid prosecution enough to lose a valuable boat, but that the Strathclyde Police were not willing to prosecute. And yet, after these improbable events, it wound up in none other than our friend Hamilton's hands. Could he have been a blackmailer as well as a paedophile? But the main thing is what might explain sections of the public enquiry are now under the hundred year rule. There are only three levels of secrecy in the UK for state secrets, the 30 year rule, the 80 year rule and the 100 year rule. Normal secrets, like Cabinet discussions, government papers, espionage, all that, are under the 30 year rule. Only a very small number of things ever reached the 80 year rule, particularly events in the Sudan with Kitchener in 1902, where it seems that an act of genocide was committed, and some things that happened 1914-18, as well as things like potential peace negotiations in 1941, and just about everything to do with the IRA (after all, people are still alive after 30 years) come under the 80 year rule. Of them, the darkest of state secrets, when the events of '02 were getting a bit close to their limit for comfort, a further class of secrets was created to last a hundred years, and tiny number of things were put in it - e.g. Kitchener in '02, some World War I things. But none of these things can be said to apply to Dunblane. That was a case of a common criminal & sexual pervert committing some fairly ordinary murders, of a kind that happen from time to time. Even if a backbench Labour MP was implicated, or may have been involved in a large paedophile ring in Scotland, that is not a matter of vital national importance. You have a prosecution, there is a bit of a scandal, everyone is disgusted and one MP goes to prison. Big deal: such things happen. You certainly would not make such information a state secret just to save one unnamed backbench nobody's miserable neck. Governments simply don't go to such extreme lengths to save nobodies - power broking just doesn't work like that. There must be issues of profound national importance working here, and I put it to you that anything that involves certain events in Scotland is more likely to be someone of cabinet level than anything else. If the physiologically flawed Thomas Hamilton was the centre of a paedophile ring in Scotland that procured boys to people of the amongst the highest rank, and Tony Blair & Jack Straw covered this up by the Official Secrets Act (They would do the covering, as both the Prime Minister's & Home Secretary's permission is needed to put some something under the 100 year rule.) it is hard to see how they or their close colleges could possible remain in office, even if they were never inclined to such flawed behaviour themselves. The government would fall. On a different subject, I have heard it alleged that Gordon Browns girlfriend, Sarah Macauly, is a partner in the PR agency run by Geoffrey Robinson, the disgraced former paymaster general. Allegedly the government pays this agency allegedly 300,000 a year, for allegedly no services in return. Needless to say, I am not myself alleging a connection here. That's all. As you can see, I have signed this message using PGP encryption. If forwarding this with my name included, please forward whole and leave on the PGP signature, so people can see if this message has been altered in any way since I wrote it, so I cannot be quoted out of context. Yours sincerely, William Palfreman. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use Comment: Email me for my public key - W. Palfreman. iQA/AwUBOCdnkwNRODQRMN+8EQIB2QCeLj10HI7otvt/o5zhbTWtCyhE8hsAn1pg ZSMSXMzLcdN7QKqj6ZN0Sp2+ =GRG7 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 99 16:16:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: Statistics (fwd) On Nov 9, Graham, Brandi wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] OK, I didn't verify this, but it was enought to put a smile on my face. > > > >A recent article in the Seattle Washington Post-Intelligencer concerning > >accidental deaths caused by physicians from research of Laura Key USA > > This triggered a chain of thought that resulted in the person > cruising >the web (not me) for doing some statistics and doing a few > calculations. > > Number of physicians in the US -700,000 > > Accidental deaths caused /year - 120,000 > > Accidental deaths/physician = 0.171 > > > > Number of gun owners in the US =80,000,000 > > Number of accidental gun deaths/year (all age groups) =1,500 > > Accidental deaths/gun owner =0.0000188 > > > > Therefore, Doctors are approximately 9000 times more dangerous than > > gun owners. > > > > > Take each day as it comes and live it!!!! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 99 22:45:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax (fwd) On Nov 11, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 11/9/1999 10:46:52 PM Central Standard Time, LaZyBarr@aol.com writes: << The Great Thanksgiving Hoax by Richard J. Marbury Each year at this time school children all over America are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and fascinating. It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning. The official story has the pilgrims boarding the Mayflower, coming to America and establishing the Plymouth colony in the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The Pilgrims hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given them. The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or less happily ever after, each year repeating the first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land called America. The problem with this official story is that the harvest of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many of the colonists were lazy thieves. In his `History of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists went hungry for years, because they refused to work in the fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." The crops were small because "much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable." In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing condition during those years was not the abundance the official story claims, it was famine and death. The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the last meal of condemned men. But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn. What happened? After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question their form of economic organization. This had required that "all profits & benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take out only what he needed. This "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young men that are most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate. To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a free market, and that was the end of famines. Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half would survive their first twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred to sixty. Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that after the switch there was "plenty of food, which every man by his own industry may easily and doth procure." He said that when the socialist system had prevailed, "we reaped not so much corn from the labors of thirty men as three men have done for themselves now." Before these free markets were established, the colonists had nothing for which to be thankful. They were in the same situation as Ethiopians are today, and for the same reasons. But after free markets were established, the resulting abundance was so dramatic that the annual Thanksgiving celebrations became common throughout the colonies, and in 1863, Thanksgiving became a national holiday. Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God we live in a country where we can have them. >> AND... Our impeached prez threatened to veto the current Interior bill because it failed to take millions of acres out of production and put them under govt control. He claimed the bill allowed non-govt entities access to lumber and oil from "protected" land use by our society. Anybody have any idea how many vetoes he's cast. It's got to dwarf the 34 Bush vetoes the media reported so diligently. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 11:10:55 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Who voted against Military Pay Raise? (fwd) On Nov 10, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Take some time to read this. Since both my wife Pam and I have both served we know exactly how this man feels. It's just to bad that the smucks we sent to Washington don't. The way our soldiers are being treated is a national disgrace! Huck spiker wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: CAFARO, PETER J., LTC (G3 SOCOORD CHIEF) > [mailto:G3SOCCHIEF@HQ.C5.ARMY.MIL] > > Who voted against Military Pay Raise? > > Remember these guys when you vote...and read the Sergeant Major's letter to > Sen Voinovich. > > These are the guys that voted against a military pay raise of 4.8%. > Read the Master Sergeant's letter below. It is quite impressive. > > ---NAYs 11--- > > Bayh (IN) > Graham (FL) > Robb (VA) > Boxer (CA) > Harkin (IA) > Voinovich (OH) > Feingold (WI) > Kohl (WI) > Wellstone (MN) > Fitzgerald (IL) > McCain (AZ) (This guy is running for President) > > Good response by Senior NCO on Senator's vote against pay-raise. > > -----Original Message----- > > Mr. Voinovich, Unless you are planning on this being your last term in the > Senate, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you would attempt to > undermine a much deserved although paltry 4.8 percent pay raise to military > men and women that make sacrifices that you cannot even comprehend! As a > registered Republican voter, born and reared in the Buckeye state, I have a > few questions I would like to ask you. > > 1) When was the last time you spent months on end in some God-forsaken > country, separated from family and friends? > > 2) Has your service to the nation ever required you to go beyond 100 days > without a real shower? > > 3) Has any of your Senate duties required you to lie awake at night in a > tent with a dozen other sweating Senators, gagging at the wretched smell of > oil well fires, and listening to desert winds beat your tent into > submission? > > 4) Have you ever been denied the basic freedoms most Americans take for > granted? > > 5) Have you ever forgotten what a real cheeseburger tastes like? > > You are so quick to try and squash a pay raise that would still leave a > large portion of military families below the poverty level in our nation. > > Please remind me again of the last time you voted and lobbied against a pay > raise for yourself and fellow Senators? > > Have you ever refused a pay increase to help balance the budget? > > I dare you to compare the percentage of pay raises voted by Senators for > Senators since my career began in 1981! > > The AP article stated that between 8,000 and 16,000 military families are on > food stamps. Even though I believe this to be a very conservative estimate, > it is not a shame for hard working Americans to get much needed assistance. > The real shame is that thousands and thousands of military families are even > eligible for food stamps, but are too proud to accept a handout! > > The majority of our military families require both parents to work, while > the military member works an additional part-time job just to make ends > meet. > > I anxiously await the reunification with my family in mid March. The > operations tempo and family separations are something I don't expect you to > understand without experiencing it first hand. However, with your political > pull I'm sure you could arrange to return to Saudi with me this November. > The rotation in November will make the third > time in two years I've left my family to proudly support the country that I > love. > > Yes, Mr. Voinovich, we could spend Thanksgiving and Christmas together > enjoying meals hard to identify by the appearance and taste. You could help > me write a letter to my wife on our 19th anniversary in January. Possibly > you could bring one of your speechwriters and assist me with a letter to my > twins explaining why dad had to miss yet > another birthday, explaining it's for the good of our country. Before we go > home Valentine's Day will roll around and by now, maybe even you will be > missing your family. I could help you make that handmade card expressing > your longing to be with them again. After all, I've had plenty of practice > and I'm sure we could come up with something appropriate. > > Should I reserve you a cot? Tent space can be a real premium during the > holidays so you may want to make your reservationsearly. I'm sure I can > round up an extra flak vest and helmet for you. Even better yet, you can > borrow my friend Billy Marshall's gear. He won't be needing it; however, he > would sure like to have his left hand and leg back that he lost in an > explosion while deployed over here. > > Look on the bright side, you will get an extra $3.50 per day, while it may > not be what you're used to, it adds up after 120 days! > > I have a feeling that you would re-think your vote after our vacation > together. As I near the 20 year mark and become eligible for retirement, I > could speak awhile on the minimum of 20 years required to receive 40-50 > percent of BASE pay for retirement. But then again > with a Senator's eligibility and retirement plan you wouldn't know where I > was coming from. > > Its political decisions like your recent voting record that drive me toward > retirement and the pursuit of other areas of interest. With the thought of > returning to Ohio as a civilian, there is one thing that I will not throw > the towel in on. My family and I will continue to vote our beliefs and > convictions for the direction of our country. > > Mr. Voinovich, you obviously have lost touch with your constituents and have > decided to throw in the political towel yourself. I have stood on the simple > leadership philosophy, "A LEADER KNOWS THE WAY, GOES THE WAY, AND SHOWS > THE WAY!" > > You obviously do not know the way since you've never been there yourself. I > do not see you volunteering to go any time soon, and you will never show the > way to deficit reduction when voting down a deserving military raise and > heaping bountiful blessings upon yourself. > > I INVITE ALL PARTIES RECEIVING A COPY OF THIS LETTER TO MR. VOINOVICH TO > GIVE IT THE WIDEST DISSEMINATION POSSIBLE. SHARE IT WITH FRIENDS AND > FAMILY, EVEN NEWSPAPERS. IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SENATOR VOINOVICH AND HIS FELLOW > SENATORS, I WILL FORWARD ANY RESPONSE I > RECEIVE IN THEIR DEFENSE. > > In closing I invite those of you with family and friends serving in the > military to remember the eight Senators voting NO. Remember them when our > brave men and women celebrate holidays away from their loved ones. > > Remember our Senators when you hear of the growing peacekeeping missions > springing up around the world. But above all else, remember our Senators > when you go to the polls and vote! > > Proud to Serve, > > MSgt Rocky Dunlap Chief, > EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal Flight) > Eskan Village, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 11:26:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 50 (1/2) (fwd) On Nov 11, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone=20 who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a=20 copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments=20 on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com=20 You are also invited to join SlickPlus to receive e-mails from around the internet on these same topics. SlickPlus-subscribe@egroups.com From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "There's no such thing as common sense. If common sense were=20 common, everyone would have some and there wouldn't be any=20 liberals." Doug Fiedor=20 _______________________________________________=20 Happy Veterans' Day, 1999 So here I am, sitting in my room at Harrah's high over=20 the gambling tables, and I choose to power up my trusty old=20 Lap top. I'm sure I'd be elsewhere if Peggy could have made=20 the trip but after 35 years, I can't imagine going back to=20 Grand Prairie to tell her what a great show I took in. I was=20 indeed surprised by how big Las Vegas is. I'll settle for a=20 few t-shirts to show off. Tomorrow Peggy will be at bingo=20 and I'll be gambling too. Peggy said it would be a "sin"=20 not to.=20 I heard something interesting while at the seminar. A=20 speaker brought forth the idea that the most inefficient=20 offices were those with the most rules. Don't do this, don't=20 do that. A negative environment breeds negativity. Now=20 there's a surprise. If we could only teach our leaders that,=20 no smoking, no drinking, no gun owning, no driving without=20 seat belts, and above all else, keep off the grass breed=20 negativity. (Yes, yes. I know the govt has a good reason to=20 restrict our liberty.)=20 Last time I took a flight out of D/FW they dusted my lap=20 top with a coffee filter looking for traces of god knows=20 what. This time after I cleaned my pockets of all coins and=20 placed my Boy Scout knife in their cup, the alarm went off 3=20 times, at which time I was ordered to face the wall with my=20 arms in the air while they satisfied themselves whether or not I was a terrorist. They ran a hand held metal detector over=20 me from head-to-toe, with special attention to the crotch area.=20 They determined my standard-sized belt buckle set off the=20 false alarm. After I get home, my air travel days are over.=20 I give up. They win.=20 I was surprised to find out how big Las Vegas is. They have East coast traffic without the pot holes. I expected=20 the glitter and the glitz of the world-class hotels, but=20 surprised to find out that palm trees I've seen in movies=20 were real like in Miami or McAllen Tx.=20 P.S. I came home a $22.50, winner from the Blackjack table. How Slick is Slick?=20 "I'm not running for office, but I kind of wish I were,"=20 Clinton told a crowd of 250 gathered at the Washington home=20 of Teddy Kennedy. Algore is running for president, and first=20 of many ladies, Hillary, is considering a bid to represent=20 NY state in the Senate.=20 DOING THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS The DNC said it expected the cocktail party to raise=20 $400K for Teddy's 8th term. Last election he had to sell his=20 Fla home to a Chinese FOB (friend of Bill) to finance his=20 campaign. He was first elected to the Senate in 1962!!!=20 After the party, Clinton made a stop at the house of former=20 fund-raiser in tony Georgetown, hosted by Sen John Kerry,=20 the other Dem senator from Mass. The dinner for 25 cost=20 $25,000 per-person, according to the DNC.=20 =20 "Clinton Fatigue" Strikes MD Democrats A fund raising luncheon originally scheduled to be held=20 in Baltimore for the Maryland Dem Party was scrubbed when=20 not enough tickets were sold to come hear the featured guest=20 speaker: Pres Bill Clinton. According to Maryland GOP=20 Chairman Dick Bennett: "Mayor Kurt Schmoke (D), Lt. Gov=20 Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (D) and (Balt Orioles owner) Pete=20 Angelos (ambulance-chasing trial lawyer), hastily scrapped=20 the lunch" on Friday and settled for simple egg on their=20 face. Capitol Hill Blue, 10/21/99=20 HILLARY The FALN terrorist clemency, the shenanigans about her=20 mortgage and her position on the Brooklyn Museum of Art=20 exhibition seem to be cutting into her popularity.=20 A REASON TO KILL The WH is claiming we need to better protect our=20 embassies around the world, but they ignore the REASONS=20 other peoples have started targeting our "soft targets" . He=20 wants US to treat the symptoms rather than the cause. I wonder why? Hint: can you say "aspirin factory" 3 times fast?=20 FIB The Dallas FIB office has announced it will move to a=20 more secure location. With all the enemies they are making=20 among the citizenry, I suspect that's a very good idea. BELIEVE IT OR NOT Can you believe that after all the scandal that led to=20 Carol Mosely Braun's rare rejection by the voters of=20 Illinois, the Senate is about to entrust her with the keys=20 of U.S. tax payers money again. How dumb can they be? If=20 they go thru with it, every senator voting in the affirma- tive should be held personally liable for every penny she=20 misappropriates.=20 ALGORE The real story about Naomi Wolfe isn't the fact that=20 she's a liberal extremist receiving $15K/mo from the Algore=20 campaign (oh, I hope she doesn't work for the Pentagon) or=20 the fact she promotes the liberal agenda. All pols hire=20 people who reflect their views, so that's a good way to see=20 how the candidate truly thinks. The REAL story is when=20 Algore was confronted by a reporter asking if it were true=20 he pays Noami Wolf $15,000 a month as a consultant, Gore=20 lied. He said he pays her a "third of that". Why does the=20 man have such a hard time with the truth? (Got to wonder, if=20 his political assistants get paid $15K/mo, how much is he=20 paying his govt-paid staff (with our dollars), and is Naomi=20 on the fedl payroll too---like Monica was?=20 QUESTION If Naomi is advising the veep how to dress, does that make him a sheep in Wolf's clothing? =20 EGYPTION 990 I keep reading things like "the United States conduct=20 the investigation, has ruled out terrorism as the cause of=20 the crash of an EgyptAir passenger" WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY=20 followed up with a statement that goes something like "we=20 haven't ruled out mechanical failure. Nothing is ruled out."=20 Which is it, nothing ruled out, or terrorism ruled out? POLICE STATE I'm from the govt, and I'm here to help. That's what=20 the BATF is telling the nations public schools, as if the=20 they don't have enough problems. The BATF is "assisting" in=20 the development of a computer program, known as Mosaic-2000,=20 to help teachers spot troubled students who might be near=20 the brink of violence. The program begins testing at more=20 than 20 schools next month. The system will rate=20 potentially violent students on a scale of 1 to 10! ABORTION From: Ken R Today, Dr. Laura had a great Idea for humanely carrying=20 out the death penalty. . . The executioner would grab the=20 convicted murderer by the ankles and insert a needle into=20 the brain at the back of the neck and proceed to suck the=20 convict's brain. Since liberals believe it is a humane way=20 to end the life of an innocent baby then it should certainly=20 be humane for a convicted murderer. And we would have to=20 hear about Old Sparky. CONGRESSIONAL REPORT From Freedom Works, home page for the Office of the House=20 Majority Leader, Dick Armey http://www.freedom.gov The big news last week was that the House has passed=20 legislation ending the 30-year raid on Social Security. http://freedom.gov/library/economics/accomplish.asp [The question is: if the feds don't spend the FICA surplus,=20 where are they going to save it?] FCC Will Not Impose Modem Tax - The Federal Communications=20 Commission chairman responded to our letter of last week,=20 emphatically denying that his agency was considering a modem=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 11:28:27 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] Re: Fw: Oct. 31 column -- short version (fwd) On Nov 11, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 31, 1999 >> EDITORS: HERE IS A SHORTER VERSION FOR THOSE DESIRING >> THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz >> 'Cultures' are not always defined by skin color >> >> >> As advertised, multiculturalism is a fine thing. >> >> The European conquest was not an unalloyed triumph of tolerance and >>Christian charity. By all means, let's teach our history warts and all. And >>mighty have been the contributions to modern America of the indigenous >>Indians, and of the descendants of African peoples brought here against >>their will. Let's give them their proper place in the history books, and >>teach their descendants to be proud of their heritage. >> >> But today's brand of "multiculturalism" goes much further, doesn't it? >>Our children's textbooks are increasingly filled with the historically >>bankrupt fantasy that Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher had as much to do with >>winning the American Revolution as Washington and Jefferson; that the >>American Indian was some kind of mystically enlightened ecological steward; >>and that today's black American is directly descended from an ancient race >>that built the pyramids of Egypt and had already developed electrical >>storage batteries long before the birth of Jesus. >> >> What gives? >> >> The answer, of course, is that today's "multiculturalism" is in fact a >>sharply limited political agenda sold under false colors. The goal here is >>for a small segment of the academe with giant chips on their shoulders to >>monomaniacally strip the pictures of dead white males out of our history >>books and replace them with pictures of blacks, Indians, and women. >> >> And if you really want to upset a modern "multiculturalist," point out >>that he or she seems curiously intolerant of some "cultures" within modern >>America -- cultures with documentable thousand-year pedigrees -- where the >>cultural divisions are not discernible by skin color, at all. >> >> I was struck, as I recently read the introduction to the 1994 Barnes & >>Noble edition of the esteemed archaeologist Ewart Oakeshott's "The >>Archaeology of Weapons," by the passage where he describes the attitude of >>the ancient Greeks and Romans toward their arms as being totally different >>from "that extraordinary romantic veneration for their arms so >>characteristic of Teuton, Celt, and Indian -- and on the other side of the >>earth, the Japanese." >> >> The Roman attitude toward arms was "actually very modern; the civilian >>fears and shuns them, the soldier has them issued to him ... keeps them >>clean and in working order because he will get in trouble if he does not, >>and has no love for them at all." >> >> How different from the classical Japanese, and from the German tribesmen >>who repulsed the Romans in the year 9 A.D. -- from those of our ancestors >>who built their warrior societies around the mastery of arms, who gave >>their weapons names, endowed them with personalities, and would pass a >>single, named blade down through a family for hundreds of years. How >>different from the Germans described by Tacitus, among whom "No business, >>public or private, is transacted except in arms," and where, if the >>audience approved of a speech at a public meeting, "they clash their >>spears. No form of approval can carry more honor than praise expressed by >>arms." >> >> This proud culture is not dead. In peaceful, law-abiding 20th century >>Switzerland, where every head of household is still considered a militiaman >>and expected to keep a loaded machine gun at home, voters in some villages >>still carry their swords as symbol of citizenship to annual town meetings. >>Here in America, where many an American male still inducts his son into >>manhood by teaching him to safely handle weapons and helping him score his >>first kill in the hunt, there is probably no more achingly compelling >>description of the long sufferings of America's culture of arms than John >>Ross' magnificent 1996 novel "Unintended Consequences" (available from >>Loompanics at $28.95; call 360-385-2230 or 800-380-2230.) >> >> Ross' protagonist, Henry Bowman, protests at one point that "They have >>treated me and others like me with utter contempt. They have confiscated >>our property and put people in maximum-security prisons over ownership of >>fender washers, claiming they were unassembled silencer parts. ... They >>have shot a man's wife in the head because his gun's buttstock was too >>short. ... They burned 90 people alive over a disputed two hundred dollar >>tax. >> >> "If you believe you have the right to buy, own and shoot small arms in a >>safe manner, as much and as often as you want, and you exercise that right >>regularly, our government has branded you as the enemy." >> >> Here, surely, are two cultures. It's unlikely either side of this >>cultural divide will ever convince the other it's "right" -- in fact, true >>multiculturalists would preach only understanding and tolerance. But what >>(start ital)is(end ital) clear is which culture practices tolerance -- I >>don't believe I've ever met a gun owner who wants to make it mandatory for >>everyone else to own and shoot firearms. >> >> Of course, our modern descendants of the Romans -- whose republic fell to >>tyranny after they delegated the business of war and armed policing to >>hired mercenaries -- those who today "fear and shuns arms, and have no love >>for them at all," call those who esteem weapons by the same name the Romans >>used: "barbarians." >> >> But before they push their pogrom against these "barbarians" in their >>midst to the point where America's gun culture must choose between fighting >>back or suffering genocide, these modern Romans might remember what >>happened to the governor P. Quintilius Varus, when he led his three >>fully-armed Roman legions into the Teutoburger Wald in the year 9 A.D. >> >> The Romans, virtually undefeated since the days of Hannibal, marched into >>those woods, and did not emerge. So stunned was the emperor Augustus that >>he commanded his successors that the frontiers of the empire would forever >>be the Rhine and the Danube, and so they were. >> >> The forest creatures fed for years on the unburied Roman dead ... and the >>Romans went to Germany no more. >> >> >>Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas >>Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers," is available at >>1-800-244-2224; or via web site >>http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. >> >>*** >> >> >>Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com >> >>"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John >>Hay, 1872 >> >>"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and >>thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series >>of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. 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