From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #306 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, January 2 2000 Volume 02 : Number 306 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:34:28 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: A Christmas story, 1944 German Prisoner of War camp - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [Web Page] http://www.heavybombers.com Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:21:47 EST From: Kriegi6410@aol.com Subject: Christmas 1944 My Christmas 1944 Christmas 1944 at Luft IV Four days before Christmas, at about 1 AM in the morning, the air sirens went off making a loud wailing noise. The RAF was over Stettin again. The explosions kept us up most of the night even though it was thirty miles away. Everyone watched what activity that was visible through a window above the doorway. We were told anyone would be shot if caught looking out the window during an air raid if we did this again. Christmas, 1944 was certainly different from any that I had ever experienced before. According to our news reports, the war was going well and the air war over Europe was really in full swing. Maybe our liberation was not to far away. We could tell since downed airmen were pouring into the prison camp by the droves. They also brought with them latest news reports. The number of POWs had climbed from 3,000 when I entered the camp in July to almost 10,000 in late December. The Jerries were working feverishly building Lagers "E" and "F." The word was stay put and hang on, no escape attempts. The weather had turned bitter cold with temperatures below zero with ice and snow. There were 24 guys huddled in our little room with one little pot bellied stove trying to keep us warm. The Germans issued us 2 each blankets made of horse hair. I swear if you held them up to a light you could see through them. We usually slept with our clothes on since each room was issued only 12 peat bricks of fuel a day On Christmas Eve we were permitted to walk around the compound after dark. We had to promise no escape attempts would be made. We were on parole so to speak. We could visit with other POWs in other barracks in our compound or other lagers until 1 AM. Our kitchen personnel had been saving pieces of beef for some time and made everyone in our compound small hamburger patties. They were great, although we all thought that it was horsemeat. We savored every morsel. Some of us had been saving our raisins from our Red Cross packages from which we made "Raisin Jack." This was passed around the compound on Christmas Eve.. Other POWs made Kriegie cakes, using water, powdered milk, margarine, sugar, and crushing graham crackers from our Red Cross parcels. This mixture was put in a Klim can and baked. If you are wondering what a Klim means it was milk spelled backwards. Powdered milk from our Red Cross parcels came in these cans. The cans were used for everything. Dr. Christiansen from Sweden visited our camp. He was with War Prisoner's Aid sponsored by the YMCA. He brought many recreation articles such as cards, books and etc. The Germans handed out Christmas Red Cross parcels. This parcel contained 1 pipe, tobacco, cigarettes, mixed nuts, candy, fig bars, wash rag, honey, butter, tea, 2 pictures, variety game, rouelette, cards, turkey, cheese, vienna susage, puidding, bouillon cubes, deviled ham, chewing gum and etc. The guys were like little kids opening up their package. Groups of Kriegis walked around the compound singing Christmas carols. The guards also went around wishing everyone a Merry Christmas. We had no roll call Monday Christmas day. I think everyone had liberation on their mind that evening. Tuesday December 26th everything was back to normal. A few days later we heard the news about the German breakthrough and that the Battle of the Bulge was on. The Allies were in retreat. No wonder the guards had been walking around the compound with big smiles on their faces. I think this was our lowest point. John Kriegi6410 - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:43:14 EST From: BKWAIV@aol.com Subject: Re: [HeavyBombers] Christmas 1944 In a message dated 12/20/99 11:22:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, kriegi6410@aol.com writes: << A few days later we heard the news about the German breakthrough and that the Battle of the Bulge was on. The Allies were in retreat. No wonder the guards had been walking around the compound with big smiles on their faces. I think this was our lowest point. John >> This Christmas of 44 was my second one as a Kriege and the news of the bulge was demoralizing. Today Dec. 20th marks the 56th anniversary of my capture. I woke up about 0430 hours recalling the direct 88 hit and the trouble I had in getting out of the plane. Merry Christmas to all. John Carson, Lufts VI and IV and one hell of a long march. - ------------------------------ [To unsubscribe] Send - mailto:Heavy_Bombers-unsubscribe@topica.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 99 23:16:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: Politics (humor, not for sourpusses) (fwd) On Dec 21, by way of Leon A. Richard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Couldn't resist.... ;-) Forwarded message: Subject: Politics Republicans say "Merry Christmas!" Democrats say "Happy Holidays!" Republicans help the poor during the holidays by sending $50 to the Salvation Army. Democrats help the poor by giving $50, one buck at a time, to panhandlers on the street. Democrats get back at the Republicans on their Christmas list by giving them fruitcakes. Republicans re-wrap them and send them to in-laws. Democrats let their kids open all the gifts on Christmas Eve. Republicans make their kids wait until Christmas morning. When toasting the holidays, Republicans ask for eggnog or mulled wine. Democrats ask for a "Bud." When not in stores, Republicans shop from a catalog. Democrats watch for "incredible TV offers" on late night television. Democrats do much of their shopping at Target and Wal-Mart. So do Republicans, but they don't admit it. Republican parents have no problem buying toy guns for their kids. Democrats refuse to do so. That is why their kids pretend to shoot each other with dolls. Republicans spends hundreds of dollars and hours of work decorating the yard with outdoor lights and Christmas displays. Democrats save their time and money, and drive around at night to look at *other* people's lights. Democrats' favorite Christmas movie is "Miracle on 34th Street." Republicans' favorite Christmas movie is "It's a Wonderful Life." Right-Wing Republicans' favorite Christmas movie is "Die Hard." Republicans always take the price tag off expensive gifts before wrapping. Democrats also remove price tags off pricey gifts ... and reposition them to make sure they are seen. Democrats wear wide red ties and green sports jackets during the festive season. Republicans do too, all year round. Most Republicans try, at least once, enclosing indulgent, wretchedly maudlin form letters about their families in their Christmas cards. Public ridicule from Democrats usually discourages them from doing it again. Democrats' favorite Christmas carol is "Deck the Halls." Young Democrats' favorite Christmas carol is "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer." Republicans' favorite Christmas carol is "White Christmas." Young Republicans' favorite Christmas carol is "White Christmas." Cheapskate Republicans buy an artificial Christmas tree. Tight-fisted Democrats buy a real tree, but they wait until the week before Christmas when the lots lower their prices. Green Democrats buy a real tree with roots, and then replant it after New Years. Republicans see nothing wrong with letting their children play "Cowboys and Indians." Democrats don't either, as long as the Indians win. Republicans first began thinking like Republicans when they stopped believing in Santa Claus. Democrats became Democrats because they never stopped believing in Santa Claus. Democrat men like to watch football while the women fix holiday meals. On this, Republicans are in full agreement. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 99 23:24:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: BBC Bans Lords Prayer The number one song in Britain right now just happens to be, "The Lord's Prayer", sung to the tune of, "Old Lang Zyne"(sp?). When the BBC refused to play it, it became even more popular. The song sounds good. Not to be outdone, another group came up with a version of, "Amazing Grace", to the tune of the theme song from, "Gilligans Island". I know it seems like it would be ___WEIRD!!!!!___, but it actually sounds pretty decent. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 99 20:27:42 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Firearm Owners - YOU Are NEXT! (fwd) On Dec 22, Dave Wiegand wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dear RKBA'ers, Fronts for the psychiatric industry are attempting an "end run" around our Second Amendment rights by using the PR technique of "positioning" in an attempt to portray firearm owners as less than sane. >From the controversial book available on the internet, thought by many to be the textbook of enemies of freedom, "Brainwashing, A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics:" "This manual of the Communist Party should be in the hands of every loyal American, that they may be alerted to the fact that it is NOT ALWAYS BY ARMIES AND GUNS [my caps] that a nation is conquered..." "...Thus the subject of loyalties and their re-alignment is in fact the subject of non-armed conquest of an enemy." And this: "Death and violence against persons attacking Communism in a nation should be eschewed as forbidden. Violent activity against such persons might bring about their martyrdom. DEFAMATION, AND THE ACCUSATION OF INSANITY, ALONE SHOULD BE EMPLOYED, [my caps] and they should be brought at last under the ministrations of psychopolitical operatives, such as PSYCHIATRISTS [my caps] and controlled psychologists." How many times as a firearms-rights advocate have you been defamed? How many times in the media and spewed out of the mouths of gun-grabbing politicians have you heard "gun nut," "gun violence," "reasonable gun legislation," or "gun control [as if being a responsible, safe, and competent marksman was NOT good control?]" in an attempt to portray firearms enthusiasts as those not quite operating with a full magazine, and being disarmed in the face of armed-to-the teeth criminals and police was the most sane thing to do? Here in California the psychpoliticians are hard at work drafting legislation that would make it easier to incarcerate firearm owners if "they are ABOUT TO BECOME dangerous or incapable of caring for themselves," a la the Soviet "mental health" model. Front for the drug company controlled National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), and psychopolitician California Assemblywoman Helen Thomson's bill, AB 1028 would not only make it easier to involuntarily hospitalize [read incarcerate] firearms owners, it would make it easier for courts to force people locked up to take harmful "medications" [read - mind-altering psychiatric drugs]. Additionally, the court would be able to lock up for a month any responsible firearm owner who disagreed with the "bend over and let the government shove paternalistic social programs up your behind" politically correct attitude. AB 1028 is being touted as way to provide treatment for "thousands of mentally ill people statewide" who "couldn't get treatment, or didn't seek it." and "would up on the streets, or in county jails." What is not acknowledged is that these people are the failures of the psychiatric industry. Many of them are permanently neurologically damaged by psychiatric drugs. We are being asked to fund an already failed "health-care" system. This same tactic was used by the Nazis to round up gypsies, Jews, and other "street people" who also didn't seek treatment [read - agree with the racist views of the Nazi party] and force them into mental hospitals where they were killed, or to psychiatrist run concentration camps where they worked at war related industries until they were not able to produce and were sent to gas chambers. On one level, the agenda behind this legislative push, (it IS a US wide orchestrated campaign) is to make HUGE profits for pharmaceutical companies. Behind THAT, is a plan to control the US (and worldwide) population with drugs for the profit of a small group of individuals who are suppressive to individual freedom. RKBA patriots. Heed the indicators of coming attacks not only to your RKBA rights, but to your very liberty and freedom! VOCALLY oppose ANY legislation that expands the paternalistic power of psychiatry, or any government agency over individual liberty and freedom of choice. __________________ Here are excerpts from: Bill aims to reform laws for mentally ill The plan is to clarify right to detain patients By Clark Brooks San Diego Union Tribune Staff Writer December 17, 1999 http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/fri/news/news_1n17lps.html "Assemblywoman Helen Thomson laid out her plan yesterday to reform the law that sets the conditions under which mentally ill people can be involuntarily hospitalized."..... "Next month, Thomson intends to introduce legislation that will combine the detention and medication hearings and lengthen the initial extended hospital stay from two to four weeks. It also will provide an outpatient alternative for people ordered into treatment [read - forced drugging at your home]..." "In addition, the bill will allow for the detention of people whose history of mental illness makes it clear they are ABOUT TO BECOME [my caps] dangerous or incapable of caring for themselves..." "The bill also will extend appointments of court-ordered conservators from six months to a year...." "AB-1028 will improve the LPS law by making it an effective tool to provide earlier access to a fully funded, assisted outpatient treatment program in the community [read - more efficient to incarcerate those who oppose a tyrannical government] as originally envisioned 30 years ago," Thomson said during a news conference in Sacramento.... [One in opposition said,] "You can't predict dangerousness. It's going to be very subjective. People are going to be unnecessarily committed into the hospital when they don't need to be committed and don't meet any kind of dangerous criteria."" Read more about the real agenda behind the headlines at: http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist/drugkids.htm RKBA FREEDOM! David F. Wiegand PO Box 20850 Oakland, CA 94620 DFWiegand@email.msn.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:17:25 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Lone Ranger is dead Actor, Clayton Moore, has died of a heart attack at 85, in a California hospital. The Lone Ranger is dead; Long live the Lone Ranger..... - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 16:18:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [IL] Gun control poll, governor's felony bill (fwd) On Dec 28, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://chicagonorth.about.com/local/midwestus/chicagonorth/library/weekly/aa1 22799.htm Only 29 votes cast so far. Please vote. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 16:16:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Liberal hate speech, 1999 (fwd) On Dec 30, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 3:14 PM Subject: Liberal hate speech, 1999 (Note: This is an expanded version of the column as it will appear in print. I could easily have filled a second column with all the grotesque examples that there was simply no room to include.) 'SHOOT HIM WITH A .44': LIBERAL HATE SPEECH, 1999 By Jeff Jacoby The Boston Globe December 30, 1999 Remember the wave of outrage that swept the nation after Charlton Heston, the president of the National Rifle Association, told a radio interviewer that the best way to deal with liberal filmmaker Spike Lee would be to "shoot him with a .44-caliber Bulldog" revolver? Remember how newspaper editorials scathingly condemned Heston's appalling remark? Remember the full-page ads blasting the twisted mindset that leads conservatives like Heston to say such grotesque things? You don't remember? Don't feel bad. It never happened. Heston never spoke those words about Lee. Lee spoke them about Heston. He was talking to reporters in May, just a few weeks after the slaughter in Littleton, Colo. Asked for his thoughts on Heston, Lee recommended assassinating him with a .44 special. A conservative who made such a comment about a liberal would have been crushed under an avalanche of denunciation. But when a liberal talks that way about a conservative, the media rarely notice. Welcome to my yearly column on liberal hate speech and the double standard that shields it. By "hate speech," I don't mean language that is merely insulting. When Rosie O'Donnell, hosting a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in October, described Rudolph Giuliani as New York's "village idiot" and compared his looks to "a Pez dispenser," she was simply being obnoxious. When Margaret Carlson of Time magazine said, apropos congressional Republicans, that "the only thing that could explain this love of tax cuts is a lowered IQ," she was engaging in childish name-calling. But when liberals liken conservatives to Hitler, or call for them to be killed -- *that's* hate speech. It isn't only Spike Lee who advocates death for those who have the temerity to hold non-left-wing views. (*) When Elia Kazan, the *bete noir* of Hollywood's aging Reds, was awarded the Oscar for lifetime achievement, the haters were out in force. "I'll be watching, hoping someone shoots him," said Abraham Polonsky, who was blacklisted for his Communist sympathies in the 1950s. "It would no doubt be a thrill." (*) The Washington Post's Richard Cohen commented on the fact that Newt Gingrich was cheating on his wife even as he was denouncing Bill Clinton's moral failings. "For hypocrisy, for sheer gall," Cohen wrote, "Gingrich should be hanged." (*) Even the comics aren't free of death threats. The main character in Aaron McGruder's "Boondocks" is Huey, a militant black student. In one strip, Huey considers titles for his report on "the black neoconservative movement and its most famous champion." His first choice: "Ward Connerly Should Be Beaten by Raekwon the Chef With a Spiked Bat." (Eventually he settles on something less obscure, but just as ugly: "Ward Connerly Is a Boot-Licking Uncle Tom.")*** No doubt Polonsky, Cohen, and McGruder didn't mean for their words to be taken literally. But the test of hate speech isn't what you mean, it's what you say. And saying that a public figure ought to be murdered is so far beyond the pale that even liberals shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Central to the leftist mentality is the belief that conservative opinions are not simply misguided, they're evil. Conservatives are not erring brethren to be reasoned with, they're moral heretics to be excommunicated. And so liberals routinely reach for the most vicious comparisons when talking about nonliberals: Nazis, racists, the Ku Klux Klan. "Conservative legal interest groups," says Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell, "such as the Center for Individual Rights and the Southeastern Legal Foundation" -- both of which oppose racial preferences and quotas -- "are ... a homogenized version of the Klan. They may have traded in their sheets for suits ..., but it's the same old racism." Newsweek's archliberal Eleanor Clift was one of many who erupted with venom when Bill Clinton was impeached. "That herd of managers from the House," she hissed in January, "I mean, frankly all they were missing was white sheets. They're like night riders..." The left-leaning Arkansas Times spat poison at the independent counsel. "Kenneth Starr," the paper editorialized, "is cunning, ruthless, and about as well-mannered as Heinrich Himmler." In the Los Angeles Times, Karen Grigsby Bates wrote, "Whenever I hear Trent Lott speak, I immediately think of nooses decorating trees. Big trees, with black bodies swinging...." Cartoonist Paul Conrad, also of the L.A. Times, drew a sketch of Buford Furrow -- the bigot who opened fire in a Jewish community center in August, then murdered a Filipino mailman -- and labeled it: "A faith-based compassionate conservative." Republicans opposing a minimum wage hike, charged US Rep. Major Owens of New York, are comparable to foreign leaders who support "ethnic cleansing" -- i.e., mass killing. Then there was the proposal in Florida to raise funds for adoption agencies through a new specialty license plate bearing the logo "Choose Life." There are already 45 such plates, which promote everything from protecting dolphins to Special Olympics. A pro-life message, however, was too much for state Senator Skip Campbell, who fretted that senators would next be asked to approve a plate reading "Be a Nazi." But for sheer filth, nothing in 1999 topped Salon's hate-filled attack on Ann Coulter, an attractive and well-known conservative activist and Clinton critic. In June, Coulter wrote a nonpolitical column lamenting the state of romance in Washington. Soon after, the web magazine Salon, an avidly pro-Clinton publication, launched a malignant personal attack. It purported to offer 11 tips for improving her love life. Among them: "Quit injecting yourself with your own urine," "Stop being a mean bitch," "Buy a vibrator," and "Get your head out of your ass." It urged her to tape a sign in her kitchen reading, "Men don't want to date castrating bitches." And that's not to mention the gross innuendoes that can't be repeated in a family newspaper. If a conservative web site had hurled such vileness at, say, Cheryl Mills, Clinton's liberal young attorney, there would have been a furious outcry. It would have become a national scandal. Pundits and talk show hosts would have torn the web site and its writer to shreds. But Salon is liberal and Coulter is not. So nobody said a thing. (Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe. His e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com) ====================================== Forwarder's comment: *** The comic strip "Boondocks" appears in, among other newspapers, the Atlanta Conjob (I can't bring myself to call that Constitution-hating rag what it has the gall to call itself), and so I am able to read the strip at work. Although I didn't see the strip to which Jeff refers, I've seen enough other "Boondocks" storylines to be reasonably convinced that Huey and his brother Riley are satirical characters through whom McGruder makes fun of attitudes held, unfortunately, by many young blacks. Another storyline, for example, lampooned conspiracy theories widely held in some African-American communities (such as that the CIA deliberately introduced AIDS and drugs into black neighborhoods -- and the recently jury-ratified claim of a vast multipartisan conspiracy to assassinate Martin Luther King) by having Huey discover all kinds of "evidence" that Santa Claus is the mastermind of a vast international conspiracy. My inclination is that satirical depictions of ugliness, if rooted in truth, ought to be somewhat exempt -- I repeat, *somewhat* exempt -- from the standard that rightfully applies to serious speech. Kevin McGehee Newnan, Georgia mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 07:29:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Y2K update The day before yesterday, I heard a caller on a Radio show state that, "The Bank of England had crashed!" It should be noted that more recent reports state otherwise: Merely every last one of their Credit Card Machines have crashed. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:55:00 -0800 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Y2K update 20,000 machines manufactured by Racal crashed. All the news I've seen implies that's one of many mfgrs (certainly there are 3 in the US) and a small fraction of B of Es machines (as you'd expect). Bill Vance wrote: > > The day before yesterday, I heard a caller on a Radio show state that, "The > Bank of England had crashed!" It should be noted that more recent reports > state otherwise: Merely every last one of their Credit Card Machines have > crashed. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 00 09:43:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 00 09:16:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FEC data base of Political contributors (fwd) On Jan 2, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Click here: Politics.com Then click on Follow the MONEY and enter your ZIP code. Find out who's contributing to whom. Find an ally. Rich Martin Editor of Slick [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 00 11:59:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Jan. 2 column -- the top 100 (fwd) On Jan 2, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Vin_Suprynowicz@lvrj.com (Vin Suprynowicz) FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 2, 2000 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Che Guevara In, Joseph Stalin Out Although the editors waited till Christmas weekend (a famously slow news moment, almost guaranteeing front-page coverage in the Sunday papers) to announce their fully justified selection of Albert Einstein as "Man of the Century" ... the 450-page "coffee-table" hardcover Time/CBS News book "People of the Century" (Subtitled "One Hundred Men and Women Who Shaped the Last Hundred Years") actually landed on my desk last week. I am neither surprised nor will I raise objection to finding therein honored (is that the right term?) Franklin Roosevelt, John Maynard Keynes, Mao Tse-Tung, or even Ho Chi Minh, who probably should have been shot for his treatment of U.S. Prisoners of War, but who (we also note for the record) had long hoped the United States would come to his rescue against French colonialism, indicating history might have taken a different turn had the Republican party nominated Robert A. Taft instead of the cynical interventionist Eisenhower, and had someone subsequently shot or otherwise discharged both the Dulles brothers. But Che Guevara? Mikhail Gorbachev? The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini? They make this Time magazine "Top 100" list while Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot fade into obscurity? One would think Stalin's vast cemeteries alone did more to "shape the last 100 years" than the proletarian posturings of a proletarian wannabe like Che. What is this, really? A list of people who appeared in posters on New England college dorm room walls in the 1960s and '70s? The Time-Warner editors apparently want to give us lots of Communists, but only the "nice" Communists. Nor is it surprising -- though it is somewhat silly -- that the editors of this book, compiled on Sixth Avenue in New York, would reveal themselves so Americentric, so "popular culture" oriented as to include "The Kennedy clan," Marlon Brando, Pete Rozelle (!), Marilyn Monroe, Harvey Milk (!), Jim Henson (!), Aretha Franklin, Oprah Winfrey (!), Diana Princess of Wales (!), and Bart Simpson among -- once again -- "the one hundred men and women who shaped the last 100 years." Not Mickey Mouse or Gertie the Dinosaur or Wile E. Coyote or Daffy Duck or even Mr. Peabody and his pet boy Sherman, mind you: Bart Simpson. I know: Such lists are compiled as much to spur debate and discussion as anything else. Perhaps we should be grateful they at least omitted Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Reinhard Heydrich, Janet Reno, Lon Horiuchi, Felix Dzerzhinsky, and Charles Schumer. I'm not writing to ask why Aretha Franklin (yes, she has a great voice, as did Ima Sumac and Eartha Kitt, both of whom are missing) stands in for real American musical genii from Scott Joplin and George Gershwin through Fats Waller and Chuck Berry. (Christopher John Farley credits Ms. Franklin with "making her own ... Curtis Mayfield's pop gem 'Something He Can Feel.' " Given her status in the industry by 1976, one wonders if a "bigger" woman wouldn't instead have told the producer of the film "Sparkle": "Honey, you let Lonette and Irene sing it in the movie; why don't you release them on your soundtrack album?") I was just wondering whether anyone else found anything odd about the following list: Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Ayn Rand, Thomas Alva Edison, George Patton, James J. Hill, John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, John Moses Browning, H.L. Mencken, Louis Brandeis, Milton Friedman, Frank Lloyd Wright, Robert A. Taft, Douglas MacArthur, Billy Mitchell, Clarence Darrow, Edward R. Murrow, Henry Miller, Nikola Tesla, Mark Twain, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Arthur Conan Doyle, Dr. Albert Hofmann, Aldous Huxley, Robert Heinlein, George C. Marshall, Ernest Hemingway, Igor Sikorsky, George Bernard Shaw, Werner von Braun, Erwin Rommel, Isoroku Yamamoto, T.E. Lawrence, D.H. Lawrence, Frank Herbert, Timothy Leary, Richard Evans Schultes, Steve Jobs, Thomas Szasz, John Lott ... Needless to say, these people are NOT among the "One Hundred Men and Women Who shaped the Last Hundred Years," while Lucille Ball and Eleanor Roosevelt and Estee Lauder and Pele the soccer player ... are. All in all, a slightly silly book. The actual writing? It ranges unpredictably - seemingly accidentally - from Salman Rushdie's refreshingly meaty and thoughtful revisionist essay on Gandhi to Arthur Schlesinger's seemingly endless lube job for FDR (those who opposed him did so not because the tyrant introduced the "withholding tax" and immolated the concept of limited government in America, we are informed, but merely because the New Deal "reduced the power, status, income and self-esteem of those who profited most from the old order," though "happily" the men who "sat in their clubs denouncing him" have all now "died off. Their children and grandchildren mostly find the New Deal reforms familiar, benign, and beneficial.") Ah, yes. Love for the gentle ministrations of the IRS, DEA, and BATF now perfumes the air like flowers in the spring. FDR, the disciple Schlesinger informs us, "was not a perfect man. ... He could be, and often was, devious, guileful, manipulative, evasive, dissembling, underhanded, even ruthless. But he had great strengths. He relished power. ..." Well. Thank goodness there were redeeming qualities. The historian Schlesinger even asserts "Stalin had to break the Yalta agreements" to take over Eastern Europe, dismissing Winston Churchill's first-hand testimony that the doddering FDR scribbled down on a napkin which countries Stalin would be allowed to dominate - and that Stalin kept the napkin. The book's puffery ranges from the hilarious analysis of Robert Reich to the merely banal insights of Kurt Loder. Reich proclaims that the "deficits are good for us" central planning nostrums of John Maynard Keynes are now fully vindicated, as though Murray Rothbard hadn't debunked the old Nazi sympathizer years ago. Loder's lunchbox essay on the Beatles, all liner notes about Ed Sullivan and the breakup, includes no useful analysis of the black American blues root music which Lennon & McCartney and Jagger & Richards (also missing) had studied so devoutly, and did such a far better job of "bringing home" to America than the crew-cut, white-suede-shoed Pat Boone crowd, which was the best the States could offer in those years while Elvis was away in the army, studying to become a self-parody. Speaking of which ... where's Dick Clark? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #306 *************************