From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #308 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 308 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jan 00 09:35:58 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: DNC Vote Fraud I've sent the following off to Rush Limbaugh, , but as I've never seen any result from previous messages there, I don't know if any of those messages arrived. If you have had a good result getting through, feel free to forward the following message: Most Internet Polls use a basic format. You pick the choice that most closely matches the way you want the vote to go, click on the, "Vote", button, and you are then switched to a page that shows the current talley and percentages of the vote. The current slanted question Gun Poll at the DNC website however doesn't do this. Obviously they want to save themselves any further embarassment of the sort their last poll gave them, where everyone voted for Mr. Bush's, "Risky Tax Scheme". If they don't report the result of the Poll, they can say that it came out any way they please. This is only to be expected of the DNC, and no one should be surpized that the DNC does this sort of thing. As bad as that is, the kicker that proves Vote Fraud makes it worse. Hundreds of people who vote on the Gun issue regularly, (because they care about it), are reporting that when they click on the vote button, a window comes up with the message, "Sorry, you've allready voted, and you cannot vote twice". This from people who've _never_ gone to that website before. Obviously their methodology is to collect the internet addresses of those who've voted in other Gun Polls, and make the vote come out the way they want it to by, "Pre-Voting", for them, i.e., _DNC_VOTE_FRAUD_! Are we to expect that they'll do it here, but _not_ in the Elections? I think not! - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 00 13:20:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Million Mom March (Pro Gun!) (fwd) On Jan 7, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: "Lou Crescitelli" To: nj-rkba@toto.com Subject: Fwd: Million Mom March (Pro Gun!) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:15:30 PST >Greetings - > >As you may be aware, there is a march taking place in >DC this coming Mother's Day (May 14, 2000) to try to >pressure Congress into enacting even stricter gun >control legislation. Mothers from across the USA will >be claiming to represent the women of America and >their viewpoints. Though they may be well-intentioned, >they are not well-informed. > >There is a group of us women who wish to counter their >efforts by having a march of our own right alongside >them. We hope to get numbers that can't help but >receive notice, and also hope that we can provide some >education in the process. What we need is some >publicity, and we're hoping to get help from RKBA >organizations such as yours. > >Anyone who wishes to find out more can contact: >moms4guns@yahoo.com > >Additional info is available at: >http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3872505221c4.htm >(Title of the post is "Million Mom Counter March") > >If you can find some way to pass this information >along to your members, or to post it on your webpage, >it would be most appreciated. > >Thanks in advance. > >Sincerely, > >Debbie Wasilewski >Lavallette, NJ ****************************************************************************** Send submissions to nj-rkba@toto.com. Administrative requests (subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.) should be sent to nj-rkba-request@toto.com. The human maintainer is behanna@fast.net. For emergencies outside of working hours, reach him at behanna@fast.net. Chris BeHanna maintains this list and disclaims all formal and legal responsibility for its content. ****************************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 00 13:22:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [Hugh Downs On Guns] (fwd) On Jan 07, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I always liked this Man. Rick ;-)> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 23:18:39 -0700 From: spiker Subject: [sshow] Hugh Downs On Guns From: "The Shooting Show Newsletter" The Shooting Show http://www.shootingshow.com/ ABC News Perspective: Assault Weapons by Hugh Downs Years ago, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy distinguished himself from his opponent Richard M. Nixon by saying that he, Kennedy, knew who he was and that Nixon did not know who he was. Knowing who you are suggests maturity and a sense of self hood. Nations, just like individuals, also have identities and nationals can understand who they are, too. Members of any civilization can realize their uniqueness. Sometimes some Americans seem to have difficulty understanding who they are. The United States is unique and we shouldn't feel guilty or envious because we aren't like other nations. One issue that seems to magnify our lack of self confidence in who we are is the gun debate. Some Americans think we should be like the Japanese when it comes to guns. Other think we should behave like the British, or the Swiss, or maybe some other foreign nationals. The recent vote to repeal the so-called assault weapons ban seemed to kick up the dust once again in the gun debate. Patrick Kennedy, a Democrat from Rhode Island, equated weapons with satanic forces. "Play with the devil, die with the devil," Kennedy said. Jim Chapman, another Democrat from Texas, said banning certain rifles was like outlawing Rolls Royce's because of drunk drivers and the damage they do. But the two sides couldn't be more opposed. Before we plunge into the question of what a so-called assault weapon is, let's back up a few million years and consider their evolution. Our most ancient hominid ancestors learned to throw stones to kill game. Later when they learned how to throw spears, Anthropologists and paleontologists theorized that the act of throwing was a tremendously stressful thing. Combining binocular vision and distance estimation with delicate hand-eye coordination had never been attempted before in nature. Humans pioneered the technique. And one of the consequences of mastering this technique was a more robust nervous system; a nervous system that may be responsible for opening the door to humanity's unique intellectual activity. Spears turned into bows and arrows. And arrows turned to crossbow bolts, and then to firearms. The development of field artillery created a demand for sophisticated mathematics and mathematicians solved problems of ballistic velocities and trajectories. The manufacture of firearms gave birth to precision engineering, concepts of mass production, and breakthrough insights in metallurgy. As a result of the intellectual achievements, master gunsmiths in New England and elsewhere created an economic powerhouse. Guns and intellectual progress seemed to have been intertwined. Rocket science is a direct outgrowth of humankind's fascination with ballistics. Perhaps the most stunning of all these fruits is the development of the computer. The purpose of the world's first computer, Eniac, was to calculate artillery and missile trajectories. In other words, humanity's most astonishing intellectual artifact, the computer, is an offspring of our love affair with guns. Well, that's a truth about guns. Guns exercised our unique intellectual ability. They stimulated many scientific disciplines. They created wealth. And the have defeated enemies from Adolph Hitler to Sadam Hussein. Some people may not like the idea, but a large measure of our success as a species is due to our passion for firearms. This is an uncomfortable truth, because guns serve a dark side of humanity also. War is our dark side. War destroys life and property. And everyone, even brave warriors, justifiably fear it. Weaponry provided food for our tables and served us well in certain crises. But as instruments of war they play a cacophonous distasteful tune. Nobody likes it. People who claim they like war, I believe, are lying to themselves and to the world. But guns do not make war. Guns can hold neither grudges nor hate. Guns are merely instruments. A machine gun can no more launch an attack without a machine gunner than an oboe is to play Mozart without a musician. Instruments are extensions of people. Firearms are merely extensions of people. Firearms, in whatever numbers or whatever configurations, are not the problem. The problem would seem to have its roots in national attitude we have toward correcting things. Where did we develop the idea that personal grievances or social wrongs can be redressed by shooting the bad guy? For example, we do not have the greatest number of handguns per capita. We just have (the) greatest number of deaths from these weapons. Israel and Switzerland are both ahead of us in number of handguns per capita. But they don't have very much of this kind of crime. Almost every home in these countries has at least one sidearm, given a person on completion of compulsory military service. They have the guns, but they just don't seem inclined to shoot each other. The assault rifle debate takes our attention away from the underlying problem: how to effect a change in our national attitude toward settling differences by violence. This is what we should be focused on. But we seem to (be) fixated on a buzzword like "assault." Hunters, professional armors, and firearm historians say the term is imprecise. Some claim there is no such thing. One common term, known as an assault rifle, refers to a long arm or carbine capable of automatic fire with ordinary military ammunition or big-game ammunition. Fully automatic weapons, true machine guns, have been banned since the 1930s and that ban remains in effect. So the "assault weapon" ban cannot refer to machine guns, although many people, I think, mistakenly think so. All the banned weapons are semi-automatic. Legislators who initiated the ban claim that semi- automatic weapons have no sporting use. But semi- automatic rifles have long history in hunting and other sports. The famous BAR, or Browning Automatic Rifle, is a semi-automatic hunting rifle; so is the Remington Model 7400. Semi-automatic shotguns have been on the market for many years. The banned rifles differ from non-banned ones only in small decorative details: decorations like a folding stock, a bayonet mount, or a flash suppresser. Otherwise, the banned "assault weapons" are ordinary rifles. They are not automatic military weapons. But the Republicans are now embarrassed by a perceived necessity of lifting the ban on so-called assault weapons. And they've elected to do so as quickly and quietly as can be done to get it behind them so it's not an issue later on when the elections looms. Many of them feel it will not get past both houses of Congress anyway and they can then say to the NRA, "We did our best." Unlike Britons, Americans are citizens and not subjects. And there's a very great difference between the two. Americans do not worship their government as god, which is a thousand-year-old tradition in Japan. Nor, like the Japanese, do we believe that government is infallible, as if government authority were an extension of family authority. Americans are not Canadians either. We are unlike both the strict Quebecoise and the English-speaking subjects of the British monarch. Americans are different and require different rules and laws. Maybe when we Americans learn to responsibly manage our guns, and our drugs, and our automobiles, or any other of the dangerous things in life, maybe then we will know who we are. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 00 22:06:43 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #165 (1/2) (fwd) On Jan 08, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia January 9, 2000 #165 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL THE WAY WITH Y2K How about all those Y2K problems, eh? Here I sat, New Years Eve, with the computer, the short-wave radio and the TV on, just waiting for all those problem reports to come rolling in. Nothing of substance came. According to the controlling elite in government and their lap-dog national media, government was "forced" to undertake what was billed as "the largest law-enforcement effort in United States history." Everyone, from small-town cops to international globalist agents in the federal government were involved. Even the American military was put on alert. Their function? To prevent the terror and mayhem that "many people" predicted as the calendar turns 2000. That's what they said anyway. First, they tried to feed us a story that the change from Y1.999K to Y2K would mess up all our computers, which could destroy society as we know it, or something. Well, that didn't quite take. Yankee ingenuity rules. People fixed their computers, then checked and rechecked the results to be sure. So, government and their synergistic media cadre needed another excuse to justify that military and paramilitary buildup throughout the country. Therefore, an unscrupulous segment of government looked to their friends, the elders of the professional social-agitators of society, to create a diversion. Except, this time those liberal social agitators might have bit off way, way more than they can chew and probably exposed themselves for the instigating miscreants they are. In other words, people noticed their new attempt to aggravate and divide. As the new story disseminated by the FBI went, some American Christians -- according to the misinformed non-Christian agitator-agents for the federal government -- might attempt to trigger Armageddon for the "millennium." Except, most of these government-sponsored spies were not bright enough to know that many Christians had a class in the history of the calendar as children and know very well that our calendar is from five to seven years late. And, most Americans can count, so also know that even if we use the current calendar, the new "millennium" begins next January. Anyway, that diversion didn't take very well, either. In fact, a large segment of the American population was starting to laugh at government. These federal authorities were, in fact, becoming very silly. Others, members of strict Christian denominations, were becoming down right angry at government's disrespect for their religious beliefs. So, the federal authorities needed another scam to justify that huge expense for the military and paramilitary readiness. Islam was next, so they pulled Osama bin Laden out of the hat. Well, as it turned out, the best thousands of government agents scouring the country could come up with was an Algerian guy said to be transporting "bomb materials" from Canada into the United States. The fact that he didn't have anything that is not easily obtained on our side of the border is unimportant. That arrest was enough for government to publicly justify all of their paramilitary and military activities. And justify they did. The thousands of federal agents found themselves a potential terrorist to hold forth for all to see on the evening news. The federal government's sycophantic national media had something to talk about; and an excuse to not have to take that cold hard look into the reasons behind the huge military and paramilitary buildup. Justice Department aparatchik Eric Holder, who is skilled in the ways of legalistic propaganda, told the media there was a "potential" terrorist threat but that big government was Johnny on the spot. "We don't want to alarm people . . . we [just] want them to be vigilant," Holder said. And so went the big apocalypse epidemic of the eve of Y2K. Big government ripped off the American taxpayers for a few hundred million bucks and inconvenienced tens of thousands of people under the guise of fighting a problem that did not exist. Worse, the national media, being central to the scam, let it all happen without so much as a question. Were there computer problems? Sure. There are a few million computers out there, all within a couple handshakes of each other. Actually, it would be amazing to get them all working together properly on any single day. The first noticeable Y2K glitch on News Years came from the U.S. Naval Observatory's master clock in Washington. It broadcast the new year as "19100" until someone noticed and repaired the problem. Another interesting glitch came Monday night, when the Federal Aviation Administration's Boston Center in Nashua, N.H. computer crashed. That messed up scheduling at airports for 160,000 square miles. It too was repaired quickly. Microsoft chairman Bill Gates told CNN that though no catastrophes are likely, a series of minor problems could foul up computer systems for months. "It's not going to be catastrophic, I don't think in any case, but there's going to be lots of snafus." Gates should know. His Windows operating system has been known to go goofy from time to time regardless of the date. There will be some problems. Some will be funny, others aggravating. In the private sector, American professionals will insure they are handled. It's the public sector that needs a lot of adult supervision. A CENTURY OF TECHNOLOGY Thirty years ago, I bought one of the first of the new quick cooking devices. Friends and colleagues looked at me like I was nuts. It was dangerous, they said. Because of the way it worked, it probably changed the molecular structure of the food and there was no telling how it would affect health, long term, some people who should know better commented. Except, in the Army, we often heated our food in exactly the same way. Using radar. That little device caught on quick. Today, the microwave oven is a common appliance, found in most homes. Actually, the fight against technological advance is an age old argument. Today, one heated topic is irradiated food. All I can say about that is that if it is cheaper, stores better and still tastes good, I'll buy it. Killing the disease causing bugs sometimes found in food -- especially meats -- sounds like a winning idea on this end. Around 1900, my grandfather was known for the hot rod of his day: A team of large black horses and a nice coach. Much later, my grandmother ingrained in my brain that, when walking with a woman, the man always walks on the outside to protect her from horses kicking. Sixty years after my grandfather's "hot rod," mine was doing a quarter-mile in a flash down at the drag strip. In Grandpa's lifetime, scientists proved (Lord Kelvin in the 1890s) that "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible." As a master toolmaker, Grandpa chuckled when he read that the director of the U.S. Patent Office (Charles Duell, 1899) announced that, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." Grandpa also laughed when Historian Harry Adams (1903) told the nation that "The world is coming to an end in 1950." Grandpa learned Morse Code during his seafaring days, when that was the only communications available. But he lived to hear voice on radio and then to see real time pictures transmitted in living color on television. We also took him for a ride at that magical (to him) one hundred miles per hour when the new expressway opened up. The last century gave us thousands of technological miracles we take for granted today. From the de Forest "electronic valve" (audio amplifier vacuum tube) to the millions of transistors on each chip operating in our computers; once began, the progress leaped forward at an astonishing rate. And, it is far from over. One cry now is over medically implantable devices. Interesting, that. I look forward to them. Implantable electronics will allow the deaf to hear, the blind to see, the crippled to walk, and will monitor and treat many debilitating diseases. For instance, we already accept the pacemaker and drug pump. Anyone think we will be "computing" on these bulky boxes in one hundred years? No chance! Half of our computer's parts in the future will probably be nearly biological -- or, at least implanted in our body. The CPU will be no more than the size of today's very small portable radio and the "monitor" part of the eye. But, the implanted chip in the eye will be a multipurpose device. When your transportation allows you to "drive," the implanted device will connect to the vehicle's camera system and permit you a quick view in any direction, and in a wide spectrum of frequencies. The implant will also be handy for "television," because we could then see true three-dimensional entertainment. Medical implants could monitor most physiological functions and report anytime they find a discrepancy. Other implants could treat medical problems. Still others could report to the user's personal physician and the physician could tweak the treatment from a distance, in real time, as needed. Does all this leave room for mischief by the unscrupulous in government? Most certainly! And that is why some people are correctly concerned about the new implantable devices becoming available. Already, authoritarians in government are looking for ways to use the new technology to "monitor and control" citizens. This, of course, must never be allowed. Therefore, early on, we must propose legislation, with very serious penalties, precluding any government agency from using their satellite system and/or any other electronic device, from spying on any American citizen not first formally charged with a serious crime. Also, any implantable device that has the ability of producing a signal that may be externally controlled or monitored from more than a couple feet by any means whatsoever must have the ability to be deactivated by the user at any time. Furthermore, we must demand strict enforcement of our Fourth Amendment rights against all intrusion of our privacy by government and all other outside concerns. These terms should never be negotiable for any reason. It shall be our personal choice whether or not we participate in the dozens of implants and other devices that will soon become available. But, it is the responsibility of all of us to insure the complete privacy for those who do. GOVERNMENT PAID LAWBREAKERS Before we bring forth the new business of 2000 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 00 22:07:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #165 (2/2) (fwd) On Jan 08, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] we must first dispose of the old business of 1999. And, it appears that we voters are going to have to become a bit inconvenient to the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill if we want any of it done. For instance, there's that Waco assault. How in the world can any Member of Congress ask for the respect of the American people when they continue to totally disregard that? We must demand action! From the judge and prosecutor who originally allowed the BATF sneak attack on the quiet homestead at Mt. Carmel, to the FBI and Army personnel who gassed and shot the people and burned the place down, we must demand convictions. These people murdered peaceful American citizens who, before bothered, were doing nothing more dangerous than living. Another old story that still needs attention is that of the CIA smuggling tons of illegal drugs into the country for sale to our children. Even after they admitted it, at least in part, no one was ever prosecuted. Yet, government feels free to send SWAT teams after a kid on the street with a small baggy. Something is definitely wrong with this picture! For a refresher on that sick story, visit http://www.copvcia.com/. But, hope your kids do not see the material when you are trying to convince them that recreational street drugs are wrong for them. The problem of "testilying" by the FBI has never been resolved, either. Anyone still remember the story about the investigation into the FBI laboratory? We'll never know how many hundreds of people are in prison as a result of contrived evidence, poor laboratory practices by novices and just plain lying by FBI agents to get a conviction. Where's justice? Check out the little bit they will admit to at: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/fbilab1/fbil1toc.htm "Today there are more than 3,000 federal crimes on the books. Hardly any crime, no matter how local in nature, is beyond the reach of federal criminal jurisdiction. Federal crimes now range from serious but purely local crimes like carjacking and drug dealing to trivial crimes like disrupting a rodeo." So says former Attorney General Edwin Meese III & Rhett DeHart in The Heritage Foundation's Policy Review Number 75: http://www.policyreview.com/jan96/meese.html "We federalize everything that walks, talks, and moves," bragged Senator Joe Biden, liberal Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1986 to 1994. Yeah, and We the People are stupid enough to let the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill return to pass even more unconstitutional and stupid laws. Not one of them knows all the laws already on the books (but we're supposed to), but they will pass more anyway. And it's quite obvious that no one of influence on Capitol Hill understands the Constitution -- else they wouldn't violate it so consistently. Pushing the law factory to pass even more atrocious constraints on our freedom is that huge special interest cadre -- the Washington Lobbying Industry, which spends $8.4 billion each year lobbying the federal government. "Honest graft" that's called in Washington circles. Out and out bribery, we'll call it. And, while we're on the subject of illegal campaign contributions, there is still that unresolved matter of the Clinton, Clinton & Gore team trading a whole host of favors to the communist Chinese for who knows how many millions of dollars in campaign contributions and whatever. We know that many in Congress were also involved. That's too bad. An aggressive investigation is still necessary. Suddenly a few Members of Congress are catching on to something we have been reporting for years. The National Security Agency is intercepting and reading all telephone calls, faxes and e-mail Americans send overseas and most of the domestic traffic. Echelon is the project name. Echelon is the code name for a worldwide network run by the NSA, with help from Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. The project has been in intentional violation of the Fourth Amendment for over thirty years. Many in Congress knew about the program, they just did nothing about it. If there is a "rule of law" in this country, NSA is violating it. Therefore, prosecutions are in order. There's yet another major problem that must be resolved: Almost all illegal activity bureaucrats and politicians want to hide from the American people is classified as "national security." We, as citizens, deserve the security of personal privacy. But, except for a few real security needs, their actions, as public servants, should always be open to our scrutiny. CONSTITUTIONALISTS UNITE What we need in a Presidential candidate is someone like the Founding Fathers, a person who will respect the Constitution and have the tenacity to defend their position against all comers. That means, we need a person who understands the Constitution as interpreted today, but also has a strong working knowledge of the original intent of the Founders. Lastly, we would want our candidate to have both the strength and the leadership ability to steer the ship of state back onto that course envisioned by the Founding Fathers. That's a whopping big order! But, just think what life in these United States would be like if every agent in government were suddenly ordered by the President to obey the Constitution and the Bill of Rights literally, as written. Suddenly there would be no searches or wiretaps without a warrant. Government databases violating our privacy would be erased. Control of education would be returned to the States and local school districts. Farmers could farm without federal interference. Businesses would prosper without a massive level of federal regulations and prices would drop. Intrastate commerce would be completely free of federal control and interstate commerce would be easier. If the federal government were again required to perform perfectly those tasks mandated to it and no others, the American people would realize a change very few living today have ever seen: personal freedom. Of course, we cannot have all of that at the flip of a switch. It would be too disruptive to the social order. But, with a strong President, it could be phased in on something like a five year plan. And, all Americans would benefit equally. So, what would this be worth to us? A five or ten buck campaign contribution once a month for six months, maybe? How about a little effort, as in volunteering a couple hours a week to get the word out to friends and neighbors? Because, that's how it's done when we support a candidate: The writers need to get to writing. The speakers need to start speaking. And those with abundant energy should contact the campaign headquarters and see what needs to be done that they can help out with. Because, we do have such a candidate available. There is a candidate who believes we should return to that Constitutional form of government originally intended by the authors of our Constitution. He's running within a major political party, too. And, he has a very active campaign committee. What's missing is the level of campaign contributions and the large cadre of effective campaign workers necessary to get the word out to the voters. But, even that is due to a good, honorable reason. You see, this candidate started slowly and bootstrapped his campaign. That is, he's not riding that special interest money train most of the others are on. He feels that only people who can vote should contribute to political campaigns. Voters are responding very favorably to his campaign message, too. Some say that he's a great orator and debater. That's true. But there is a lot more to the acceptance he is receiving that just his speaking skills. It's called "getting it right." During the debates, all of the other candidates give their version of big government business as usual answers to the queries asked. Dr. Alan Keyes returns the Constitutional answer, which often embarrasses the other candidates. Simply put, people respond with agreement to what Alan Keyes says because Alan Keyes gives answers that fit exactly with what Americans learned to be the Constitutional model of government in school. No other major party candidate even gets in that ballpark. Only one other candidate even gets close sometimes. So, surveys taken after each debate show that a large majority of voters always judge Dr. Keyes the winner, by far. Even within the Republican Party, Keyes wins major polls. For instance, in the National Federation of Republican Assemblies poll http://www.nf-ra.org/poll.htm, Alan Keyes received 85.5% of the 8283 votes cast at this writing. Clearly, this a candidate who can win strong public support if we help him get the word out. Vote.com shows Alan Keyes with 25% of the vote verses Bush at 32%. John McCain is third with 16% and all other candidates are in single digits. And Keyes leads with 51% of the vote in The American Conservative Union poll, with Buchanan following with 19.8% and Bush at 12.5%. http://scripts.townhall.com/acupoll.html If Bush, McCain, Gore, or Bradley wins the presidency, we will surely have more of the same from Washington: More laws. More rules. More regulations. And a lot more federal agents enforcing way too many unconstitutional laws, rules and regulations. Alan Keyes, on the other hand, calls for the return to the Constitutional form of government originally intended. Which, to the American people, means freedom, a smaller federal government and less taxes. The next week or two is the most important time of the primary election cycle. If we are to fight in defense of our Constitution -- in this case, by supporting a Presidential candidate who will support and defend our Constitution -- now is the time we must call out all of the reserves. It's your decision. This is the prime time for action, and that action is necessary in every town, city, county and State in our nation. If we are all willing to help just a little, a peaceful transition from big government socialism to a truly Constitutional form of government is available to us. If we wait, there may not be another chance for definitive action for quite some time. - ----------------------------- For more in formation, visit the Keyes 2000 web site at: www.keyes2000.org or call at 1-888-450-7771. Also see the companion article "Choosing a President -- Keyes" at http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm ~ End ~ "We must teach our children that the preservation of liberty, and of an order of society conducive to human dignity, requires that a free people retain the moral and material means to discipline its own government, should the temptation to tyranny take root." -- Alan Keyes [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 00 14:13:43 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: GSL> Gun Poll. (fwd) On Jan 10, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >http://netscape.digitalcity.com/boston/sound_off/main.dci?page=guncontrol To date, poll is running our way 419 to 53. Vote! - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! It is not the responsibility of the government or the legal system to protect a citizen from himself. -- JUSTICE CASEY PERCELL [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:01:20 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: REMEMBER WHEN? A few years ago - 94 or 95? - there was this gentleman in New York who sponsored the Gun Clock or was it the Death Clock? He was dramatizing gun deaths. He had a message, and 800 number, and a large budget. Many of us were so interested in his message that we called and called just to hear it over and over. But, I fear, that we squandered his budget and the whole escapade went broke. Well, theie is now another opportunity. There is an organization advertising on T. V. in this region (Nebraska and Iowa) against gun violence. They call themselves the National Citizens Commision Against Crime. Their number is 1800 WE PREVENT. They would like to hear from you and send you some material. You will probably want some of this material sent to your home, your box number, your office, your health club and where ever else you might be wanting to review this vital material. Your Aunt Millie, Uncle Fred, Cousin Billie Wife, father, mother, son, daughter, significant other and any other will also want some of this material. It will cost them about a buck to receive each call and their mailing will likely cost them a few bucks also. Help them out. It costs a lot of money if one of these campaigns go on interminably so help them get rid of this material rapidly. Ya'all call now, tomorrow, before and afternoon and during siesta. Hasta Luego Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #308 *************************