From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #320 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, March 1 2000 Volume 02 : Number 320 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 00 09:46:07 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Another Waco in Indianapolis? OVER MY DEAD BODY! (fwd) On Feb 24, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Norm Olson wrote: > Please circulate to all stations. > > To Militia Everywhere: > > I plan to fully support Pastor Greg Dixon. His battle > is against the tax locusts of the federal government. > I have know Dr. Dixon for many years and have preached > in his pulpit. > A few years ago, I was invited to speak and > went up to the pulpit dressed in a Presbyterian black > robe with white frock, looking every bit like a minister > in the 1770s. Then removing the robe, I revealed the > militia uniform underneath. This is precisely what > Pastor Peter Gabriel Muhlenburg did in 1774. > > The church is in downtown Indianapolis... It is doubtful > that the feds can keep the press 5 miles from the scene. > > My hope is that uniformed militia from around the country > will be at the rally on March 4th to show the feds that IF they > attempt to take the property in April, that they will have to face > a well armed and well regulated militia. I spoke to Dr. Dixon > this morning (Feb 24). He rightly said that if the feds conquer > this church, it will mean that no unregistered independent > church in America is safe. > > Many years ago I stood with Dr. Everet Siliven in Louisville, > Nebraska, when the Sheriff came to padlock the church and > drug dozens of pastors out of the building by force. His crime: > to dare to have an unregistered church that had a day school. > > But Dr. Siliven didn't have a militia! Dr. Greg Dixon has > my support, and I pray that militia from around the country > will come to Indianapolis on March 4th. > > I don't anticipate any move by the feds to actually move > against the church IF, repeat IF, the militia shows itself > and its determination. > > This is a wonderful opportunity for the militia across America > to meet with scores of pastors who also pastor unregistered > 501(c)3 churches. It can be a wonderful time to show that the > militia IS the arm of God for righteousness. The many > pastors who know Dr. Greg Dixon and the great work of the > church, will see that the militia will NOT allow another Waco. > > In my mind's eye, I see the militia being led by hundreds of > pastors, just like the militia of the 1770s were led by the > "black robes" of the pastors then. The sight of pastors leading > the militia struck fear in the heart of the British soldiers... > Today the presence of the pastors leading the militia should > have the same effect... > > that is, IF the federal gestapo have hearts at all. . . > > The story of Peter Muhlenburg is provided below. I urge > all militia everywhere to read it. > > PETER GABRIEL MUHLENBURG > > There was a class of clergymen in the Revolution who regarded > the struggle so sacred that they felt it to be their duty to fight > sometimes as well as pray. They did not, however, consider it > necessary to abandon their profession to do so. That > duty depended on the emergency of the case. In a > perilous crisis, when one idle arm might turn the scale > against th patriots, they had no hesitation in stepping into > the ranks, and fighting like a common soldier. They saw > nothing incongruous in this course, and hence seldom > condescended to make an apology for it. Nor did it interfere > with their professional duties--for, when the smoke of battle > had cleared away, they were found praying with the > wounded who had been struck by their side, or offering > thanksgivings in front of the battalions for a victory won. > The subject of the following sketch, however, abandoned > entirely his profession, and became a distinquished military > man. > John Peter Gabriel Muhlenburg was born in the village of > Trapp, Mongomery Co., PA, on the first of October 1746. Educated > partly in this country and partly in Europe, he received ordination > from an English bishop, that he might take charge of a church in > Virginia, to which he had been called. Returning to America, he > settled at Woodstock, and entered on the duties of a country pastor. > His ministerial profession, however, did not prevent him from > feeling a deep interest in the quarrel between the Colonies and > the mother country--on the contrary, he took the lead in every > measure of hostility to her oppressive acts. > In 1774, when the people of his country assembled to choose > a committee of safety, he was unamimously elected its chairman. > He was the head and soul of the opposition in that whole > region, and so much did he prossess the confidence of the > people that they sent him to the House of Burgesses of the > state. Ardent, fearless and patriotic he became so absorbed > in the approaching struggle, that, when the news of the battle > of Bunker Hill reached him, he resolved at once to throw off > his profession, and enter the army. Having talked and preached > for freedom, he determined now to STRIKE for it. He immediately > commenced to organize a Virginia regiment, and laying aside > his ministerial character, became its colonel. > He took leave of his people in a farewell sermon, which > glowed throughout with the most devoted patriotism. At the > close he told them of the resolution he had taken to fight, > and if need be, die for his country on the battlefield. It was > a strange announcement from the pulpit, but there were few > to criticize his abandonment of his profession, for he had > breathed his own fervid spirit into his congregation, and the > kindling eye and speaking countenance told him that his courage > had their hearty approval. Said he, in conclusion, "The Bible > tells us 'there is a time for all things,' and there is a time to > preach, and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has > passed away;" Then, raising his voice, till it rung like the blast > of a trumpet through the church, he exclaimed, "AND THERE IS > A TIME TO FIGHT, AND THAT TIME HAS NOW COME." > Closing the services he stepped into the vestry-room, and > laying aside his gown, put on his colonel's uniform, and stood > before his astonished congregation in full regimentals. This > sudden apparition of the Virginia colonel, in full uniform, walking > down the broad aisle, in the place of their pastor, took everyone > by surprise. Turning neither to the right hand nor to the left, he > strode sternly on to the door, and ordered the drum to beat for > recruits. > The silence that had reigned, while this extraordinary scene > was passing, was suddenly broken by the loud and rapid roll > of the drum. The congregation rose simultaneously to their > feet, and the men gathered in a mass around their former pastor-- > scarcely one capable of bearing arms remained behind. The > calm quiet of the Sabbath day was now changed into a scene of > bustle and excitement. The drum was kept beating, and those > who were not in the church came rushing towards it, to learn > what strange event had happened. The sight of the pastor in > uniform, standing at the door and calling for recruits, kindled > the most unbounded enthusiasm, and before night nearly three > hundred men had joined his standard. > He immediately marched south, and was present with his > regiment at the battle of Charleston. > The next year he ws promoted by Congress to the rank of > brigadier-general, and ordered to take charge of the Continental > troops in Virginia. The next May he joined Washington at > Middebrook, New Jersey. > His brother, Frederick, a clergyman also, condemned Peter's > course for laying aside the ministerial profession for that of > arms. In a letter to Frederick, Peter Muhlenberg said, > "You say, as a clergyman nothing can excuse my conduct. > I am a clergyman, it is true, but I am also a member of society > as well as the poorest layman, and my liberty is as dear to me > as to any man. Shall I then sit still, and enjoy myself at home, > when the best blood of the continent is spilling? Heaven forbid it! . . . > But even if you have been on the opposite side of the question, > you must allow that in this last step I have acted for the best. > You know that from the beginning of these troubles I have been > compelled to have a hand in public affairs. I have been chairman > to the committee of delegates from this country from the first. > DO YOU THINK, IF AMERICA SHOULD BE CONQUERED, I SHOULD > BE SAFE? Far from it! AND WOULD YOU NOT SOONER FIGHT > LIKE A MAN THAN DIE LIKE A DOG? I am called by my country > to its defence. The cause is just and noble. Were I a bishop, > even a Lutheran one, I should obey without hesitation, and so > far am I from thinking that I am wrong, I am convinced it is my > duty so to do, a duty I owe to my God and to my country." > copied from "The Chaplains and Clergy of the Revolution" > by J. T. Headley, written in 1864 > > I too will leave my pulpit to stand with my fellow pastor, Greg Dixon. > I will be wearing my "full regimentals" -- The uniform of the > militia! Hope to see you all in Indianapolis on March 4, > > God Bless You All!! > > Norman Olson, Commander > Northern Michigan Regional Militia > Pastor, Freedom Church, Wolverine, MI [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 00 21:17:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [piml] Re: Reaction to "Armed Militia" on Discovery Channel] (fwd) On Feb 26, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:33:35 -0800 From: Jon Roland To: "James M. Breitenbach" , vieamie@centurytel.net Subject: [piml] Re: Reaction to "Armed Militia" on Discovery Channel Kay Sheil of the Missouri 51st forwarded your message for my comment. I am a former Air Force officer who is active in organizing militias across the United States. Although I have not personally visited the 51st Missouri, I have visited a cross-section of militia units in many parts of the country, and find them to be similar in most respects. The core of most militia units are former military and law enforcement personnel, most of whom became aware of high-level wrongdoing that is not being corrected, in most cases during their government service. Many of these people were the cream of the military and law enforcement: many in the military were special forces; many in the police were internal affairs. I have lost count of those who became disgusted when they were ordered to participate in or cover up smuggling of narcotics by their own colleagues, and no one would accept a report of it. You think the recent revelations about the Los Angeles Police Department are something new? More like standard operating procedure in every major urban police department, and in federal law enforcement. You think all we have to do is vote out the bad guys? I have lost count of all the reliable reports I have received from newsroom insiders that they received election results before the polls close, often a day before. Forget what you hear on the news. Elections in this country are rigged. If you don't want to believe it, conduct your own investigation of it with an open mind. Don't believe anyone who reassures you elections are honest. You think courts are honest? Try following some cases from initial charging through final conviction and appeals, especially in the federal courts. Talk to some honest defense lawyers. You want to be appalled. That will do it for you. There are many people like you who fail to appreciate the need for a militia movement, but it is not because the information which provides the basis for that conviction is not readily available. There is no shortage of witnesses, books, documentary evidence, or comprehensive analysis of the creeping tyranny that threatens our liberties from within and without. Discount every bit of third hand rumor and speculation. The hard evidence would be sufficient to get convictions in a honest court if we could ever get an honest court to hear it, and it is not for lack of trying. I invite you to embark on a voyage of discovery of official wrongdoing. Don't protect yourself in the delusion that "our government would never do that" or that "it can't happen here". Our Constitution and liberties are more threatened today than they have ever been in the history of this country. And "there are none so blind as those who will not see". - --Jon =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 02/26/00 Time: 15:33:36 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@constitution.org =================================================================== [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 00 21:18:14 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 5 Minutes to Freedom! (fwd) On Feb 25, JASPAR@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A FIVE-MINUTE HANDBOOK FOR GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution is permitted with this copyright notice attached. I've been a gun rights activist for nearly 10 years. I wasted a lot of time for the first 5 years because no one gave me the rule book you are now reading. Maybe that's because no one had written it. This is the stuff I wish I had known starting on day one. If you've just arrived at this party, the next 5 minutes you spend reading this might save you 5 years of otherwise wasted time and energy. If you've been in the gun rights game for a while, this handbook will be the fastest refresher course you've ever taken. This past year I've received a lot of mail from jittery gun owners who are finally waking up to what's happening to our right to keep and bear arms (RKBA). This handbook is mostly for them. If the rules I list below scare off a few folks, so be it. I want to tell it like it really is -- to give a quick snapshot of the tips, tricks and tactics that actually work in RKBA activism. The bad news is that this is not a complete list of the rules. The good news is that there will never be a complete list of rules. The rules listed below are based on my own experience from working thousands of hours with down and dirty RKBA activist pros. I am deeply grateful to all of them. They know who they are. Some of these rules have been followed for so long by old-time activists that they have forgotten what the original rules were. It's time to list them again. And sneak in a couple of new ones. So read them and weep, or read them and rejoice. - ----- NO ONE IS AS INTERESTED AS YOU ARE. Nowadays everyone's attention span and time are limited. Be grateful if you get anyone's attention on our issue, even for a few seconds. Some wannabe activists come in like a lion, then disappear faster than sh*t through a short dog. Take whatever you get from any volunteer. Praise and thank them. Don't be disappointed when they drift away. They will. But some come back. Keep the light on for them. THE NRA STINKS. So does GOA, SAF, JPFO, and any or all of the rest of the gun rights organizations. At the same time, all of these organizations are the best thing since sliced bread. We won't keep our rights without them. It's normal to love them and hate them at the same time. Be sure your complaints about them go to the person who can do something about your problem. Never give up your membership -- it's much easier to fix things from the inside. Avoid griping in public -- our opponents love it when we do. Always handle our dirty laundry behind closed doors. Always. THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET. There is no single answer, rule, or solution. Never has been, and never will be. None of us will write the single brilliant letter to the editor or internet message that will miraculously turn everything around. Keep steadily busy. Do as much as you can, whenever you can. Anything you do counts, but some things count more than others. Find out what counts. Then do it. THERE IS NO FINAL VICTORY. Preserving RKBA is an ongoing PROCESS. We are winning and losing battles during this process, but the war will never be over. Becoming active to keep your gun rights is a lot like cleaning your house: it's thankless and boring work, but necessary. Like dirt, the antigun crowd will just keep coming back. Forever. Your activism will keep us winning more than losing. Our opponents count on wearing us down. They love it when one of us (not you, of course) gets discouraged and drops out. When you fully understand and accept the reality that RKBA is a never-ending struggle, you're automatically in the top 5 percent of all RKBA defenders. Congratulations. RKBA ACTIVISM IS BORING. It's especially boring when you are doing things that really make a difference. Most of us want drama. We want to be entertained. Phone bank calling, precinct walking, going to RKBA grassroots seminars -- suddenly, even a trip to the dentist for a root canal will start to look better. Sorry, but there is no workaround on this aspect. Freedom is not free. It's a pain in the ass. Get used to it, get over it, and get to work. USE THE POWER OF FEAR AND GUILT. Gun owners are susceptible to these emotions. Awaken sleeping RKBA activists by tapping these powerful emotions. Fear and guilt will move mountains -- and fill the collection plate, and recruit new members. If gun owners won't become active for themselves, ask them to do it for their families. For their children. For their country. And -- this tactic works! -- ask them to do it for YOU. WATCH OUT FOR MISDIRECTED, TIME-WASTING EFFORTS. E-mail to elected people is pretty much worthless -- unless the official already personally knows you. Internet polls are useless. Online polls make some folks think they are actually doing something. They are not. It's a false sense of accomplishment. It's like bringing a doctor to a dead man. Focus on the stuff that works. If you're going to hunt ducks, go where the ducks are. POLITICIANS ONLY CARE ABOUT VOTES AND MONEY. In-person visits, phone calls, and snail-mailed, handwritten letters to elected folks help -- because politicians know that if you take this much trouble, you and your family and friends will also vote. HOT TIP: Make yourself known to politicians for issues other than gun rights. Don't present yourself as a single-issue person. Praise and help politicians on THEIR pet projects. Then, when a new gun control law comes up, your opinion will seem especially credible. Otherwise, you will soon be stereotyped and discounted as a single-issue voter. ANOTHER HOT TIP: Politicians have to explain why they vote Yes or No on proposed laws. Sometimes they really need your help in composing explanations to their constituents. If you want your elected official to vote No on a seemingly popular new gun control law, she might be more willing to vote your way if you give her a "back door" -- a good, common sense explanation that she can give to all of her constituents. GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If we have the right people in power, antigun laws will not be passed. Period. The laws are what matter. This concept is so simple that many folks can't see it, just like they can't "see" the air they breathe. The anti-rights crowd can hold all the gun control seminars and news conferences they want, but nothing will happen unless they can pass more laws. This fact tells you about the how, what, where, when, why, and with whom you should be spending your time, energy, and money. Politicians pass laws. Therefore, you must get involved in politics to protect your gun rights. There is just no way to get around this. Sorry. I don't like politics either. Bummer! STOP THE SABER RATTLING -- NOW! Avoid those shrill folks who sound threatening or talk about doomsday. It's a waste of your time. These noisy folks remind me of a couple in a failing marriage who only talk about a getting a divorce instead of talking about their real problems. If they don't solve their problems, separation or divorce becomes the inevitable outcome. Some people get pumped up on silly fantasy scenarios. I do not. ARM YOURSELF WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION. Paradoxically, bad information or disinformation is a plague in the so-called Information Age. When you write or talk about firearms issues, use only the facts, the truth, and the provable. Verify any quotes that you use. Back up your generalizations with powerful and specific examples. Get on the internet, and get your like-minded friends online. Join several of the hundreds of net communities that will keep you informed instantly and completely about our special issues. Information is power! IGNORE MEDIA SPIN AND THE NEWS WAVES. It's far too easy to go bonkers reacting to the latest media-driven crisis. Don't let the media push your buttons. The RKBA grassroots pros I know do not overreact to crises. In fact, most of the ultra-pros that I know do not react at all to media hysteria. Bashing the media about their bias is not productive. Some gun owners use media bias as an excuse to do nothing -- because the situation seems so overwhelming and hopeless. Truth is, if you are a busy activist -- already steadily doing stuff that matters -- you will find the media reacting to YOU. Be friendly and polite with them -- not hostile. Become a reliable source of information for them. And just keep on being ACTIVE. JUST SHOW UP. It's been said that 80 percent of success is showing up. Being there. Showing up to vote. Showing up at an RKBA seminar. At your assemblyman's office. At a city council meeting. My father's favorite motto: "Your actions speak so loud that I can't hear a word you're saying." Your "silent" activism can be a model for others. What will your 3 hunting buddies think when they find out you spent an afternoon handing out brochures door-to-door for a pro-gun politician? DON'T MESS WITH TRUE BELIEVERS. In the time you spend trying to convert one hard core antigun person to our side, you could have gone out and motivated and organized 20 people who already think like you do. Go with the flow. It's easier on your nerves, and much more effective. Personally, I have converted several anti-rights true believers, but never again! Lots of NRA members are not registered voters. A lot of gun owners aren't NRA members. Even more folks have no idea of their elected officials' positions on gun issues. Where is your time most effectively spent? Think about this before you spend an hour writing a clever response to a silly message you found somewhere on the internet. SIMPLICITY STILL MATTERS. The old rule, Keep It Super Simple (KISS), is as important as it ever was. It applies to internet postings, planning, speeches -- everything. And keep it short. And keep it sweet: don't ever ridicule or insult anyone. Did you notice that I did NOT say, "Keep It Simple, STUPID?" YOU ARE ALL ALONE. Well, not quite alone. You do have some help. The NRA has a staff of several hundred. There is no way humanly possible that "the NRA" can put out all the brush fires started by the anti-rights crowd. Pro-gun national organizations give direction and information -- but they cannot save your rights. Only YOU can save YOUR rights. You are 100 percent responsible. When you fully accept this reality, you are automatically in the top one percent of all RKBA activists. THE HIDDEN BONUS OF GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISM. The more involved you get with firearms freedom, the more you will realize that your single issue actually complements and protects other human rights issues. Personally, I am deeply offended by many aspects of today's culture. When I focus my activism on RKBA, I can often sense I am making a measurable difference. All rights -- like all humans -- are connected. WHEN IN DOUBT, JUST DO SOMETHING. Sometimes we don't know what will work. Sometimes the rule is that there are no rules. I once wrote an essay I thought was mediocre at best. Five years later, I'm still receiving mail about it. Don't hesitate to try something new and innovative -- get it out on the table! Often your finest essay or brilliant letter will not be acknowledged, or you will just get a form letter response. But that letter to the editor that you dashed off in a few minutes appears in tomorrow's newspaper! Go figure. Better yet, try not to figure. Trust yourself, trust your instincts -- and just do something. I'll see you in the trenches. Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution is permitted with this copyright notice attached. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 00 14:19:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [piml] Admiral calls for citizen 'information warriors'] (fwd) On Feb 28, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:23:40 -0800 To: piml@egroups.com From: Eric Cc: patriotawareness@egroups.com Subject: [piml] Admiral calls for citizen 'information warriors' http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20000228_xex_admiral_call.shtml Admiral calls for citizen 'information warriors' Look to New Media for truth, says former joint chiefs chairman By Edward G. Oliver © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Thomas Moorer is calling for individuals to use the New Media -- specifically Internet and talk radio -- as weapons of truth during the coming election season to combat what he characterizes as false and inaccurate reporting from the establishment media. Moorer's entire "call to arms" can be read today in an exclusive WorldNetDaily commentary. (Which is at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_excomm/20000228_xex_becoming_bei.shtml ) Moorer's organization, U.S. Defense-American Victory, (Which is at http://www.keep-the-republic.org/ ) is launching project H.I.P. -- Honor in Politics -- in order to enlist individuals nationwide to become citizen reporters who will not allow candidates to slip through the election without clearly explaining what they intend to do about the following three issues: · Chinese Communist penetration of U.S. political structure · Drug lords at the level of a strategic threat in the hemisphere and a failed "drug war" · The present breach of the neutrality treaty in Panama due to Chinese/Narco-terrorist domination of the strategic choke point, and legal issues surrounding their ratification and implementation. "In an age of 'information war,' every citizen is an information warrior" says Moorer. The concept is to "project the military concept of honor into domestic politics. In combat, accurate, complete and non-distorting information is essential to success. Groups cannot function without a constant accurate flow of information," say H.I.P. organizers. Thus, clear answers to the three specified issues will be repeatedly sought from the candidates. A secondary goal of H.I.P. is to obtain full and frank disclosure about any influence or connections to candidates by those who may seek to control them later -- such as the Chinese, or those who might compromise the candidates by linking them to illegal drugs. U.S. Defense-American Victory wants to distribute H.I.P. paraphernalia, hoping the buttons and signs will pop up everywhere on the campaign trail. Those who participate will ask and educate others to ask for honest answers about what a candidate intends to do about the group's three major concerns. To illustrate why Americans should not rely on information from the establishment media in choosing their leaders, Moorer points out from his own experience how a "centralized command and control" decision in the mainstream media, rather than accurate information, had a profound effect on the nation. Moorer writes that a key component of the success of the enemy's propaganda effort during the Vietnam War "was our own highly centralized media, led by the most powerful organ of our intellectual elite, the New York Times." Moorer says in his column that the "willing U.S. press" aided the communist propaganda effort by reporting that the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong accomplished a miracle of logistics with bicycles and tunnels, "when, in harsh reality, they were being assisted in every way by our European allies." "French, Japanese, British and German merchant ships were going into Haiphong Harbor loaded with supplies. I had attempted to get permission to mine Haiphong harbor for quite awhile" Moorer told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. The government eventually did put a stop to the supply ships by mining the harbor, he said. Moorer gave WND an example of restrictions U.S. forces operated under that went largely unreported. Chinese ships would anchor offshore, outside the harbor, he said, sending in supplies on small boats. "The Chinese ships would steam right through our force and the rules of engagement didn't permit us to do anything to them. It was a ridiculous situation," he said. Moorer commanded the Pacific Fleet at the time of the Tonkin Gulf incident, later moving up to chief of naval operations in 1967 and in 1970 became joint chiefs chairman, ultimately retiring in 1974. As chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Moorer reveals in his commentary, he went to see New York Times President and Publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger in an effort to persuade him and his news organization "to report accurately on what was happening at the front in the Vietnam war at the time." Moorer writes that Sulzberger refused his request "in no uncertain terms," telling him he did not care to report the truth because he and the New York Times were against the Vietnam war. A spokesman from the New York Times told WorldNetDaily, "At this point, we don't wish to comment" on the admiral's allegation. Moorer told WND the meeting with the Times' editorial board occurred in the early 1970s, that he entered the room with clippings from the newspaper in his hand and made his case. "They all were there in a conference" he said. "They weren't too interested in whether they were accurate or not accurate. They were opposed to the war and were going to write accordingly," he said, adding that the New York Times' boss spoke, and everyone else sat there and listened. In his commentary, Moorer says it turns out that the "other media," who refused to join in the "fashionable inaccuracy" were telling a more truthful story back then. "Even if they were less highly regarded by those who were the most influential in our governance," he writes. Moorer wants people to utilize the "other media" available today, especially the Internet and talk radio, to circulate accurate and complete information about the three national security concerns cited, and to help ensure there aren't any "Lippo Groups" or other surprises in candidates' closets. Gen. Gordan Sumner, also with U.S. Defense-American Victory, told WorldNetDaily their organization is trying to get the candidates to take the moral high ground and get them on the record regarding important issues. He added, "I think the Internet has put a whole new dimension into the political process. People are able to get information, exchange it and are throwing off the shackles of the left-wing media." Edward G. Oliver is a contributing editor to WorldNetDaily. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 00 21:18:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - February 28, 2000 (fwd) On Feb 28, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 2000 KEVIN McGEHEE Newnan, Georgia mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN As of this writing, there remain three candidates for the Republican nomination, and two for the Democratic nomination -- although that could change as early as tomorrow. If you're like me, there are a lot of questions you wish someone would ask these candidates. In no particular order, here are some of mine. "Mr. Vice President, what should the American people conclude about a would-be leader of the free world who has to be instructed by a woman on how to act more masculine?" "Gov. Bush, earlier in your campaign you took some heat from conservative Republicans for calling yourself a 'compassionate conservative,' which some took as suggesting that ordinary conservatives are not compassionate. Some thought you used this phrase in hopes of currying favor with the press corps. Given the events of the last two months, do you think there's any point in a conservative, even an avowedly compassionate one, trying to curry favor with the press?" "Sen. Bradley, why are you still here?" "Sen. McCain, if Gov. Bush was wrong to speak at Bob Jones University, does this mean you will be firing the aide for your campaign who GRADUATED from Bob Jones University?" "Mr. Vice President, can you name the Speaker of Parliament of the Czech Republic?" "Sen. McCain, given the outrageous dishonesty that your campaign stooped to in the Michigan primary, do you really think you can still command the moral high ground?" "Gov. Bush, what would you say to someone who still whines about how we need to get money out of politics, after he has beaten you in three states on a comparatively shoestring budget?" "Mr. Vice President, can you identify the American Founding Fathers depicted by these busts we borrowed from Monticello?" "Sen. Bradley, can we call you a cab?" "Ambassador Keyes, can Republican primary voters expect that in a future election cycle you will conduct your campaign as a serious effort to win election, rather than as merely a showcase for your admittedly brilliant oratory?" "Sen. McCain, you've claimed to be a Reagan Republican. You've also declared yourself in favor of 'small but energetic' government. President Reagan always argued that there should be LESS government, and said that it governs best when it governs least. This places you and President Reagan at polar opposites. Please comment." "Mr. Vice President, what does 'is' mean?" "Gov. Bush, since New Hampshire your campaign has become more engaged and directed. What lesson might we draw from this on the merits and liabilities of competition?" "Sen. Bradley, how many fingers am I holding up?" - -30- February 28, 2000 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. - --... ...-- --. . -.- .-.. ----- - -.-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 09:39:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #320 *************************