From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #342 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 02 : Number 342 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 May 00 13:13:17 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] FFL (fwd) On May 14, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: "James Woody" To: Subject: The Gunstock FFL Rebellion begins! Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:00:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 On May 15, 2000 the Gunstock Rebellion began in Tecumseh, Michigan. Johnson's sporting goods owner Dave Calibre looked over his lost sales for the weekend which amounted to over 6,000 dollars in gross sales. "Helen, if they pull this crap again we're goint to lose the business"; Dave had no intentions of giving up his long-running business. "Why don't you just tell the FBI and ATF that we really don't need their help anymore?" Dave walked behind the counter, angrier than Helen had seen him since Waco transpired. Dave starting ripping the wire out of his FBI background check computer. "Helen-make a sign for the front window-No background check necessary." Helen being one step ahead of her hubby pulled the pre-made sign from the back stockroom. "This is the last time thes bastards are sticking it to us Dave", Helen commented as she taped up the sign. Tuesday May 16 was the busiest day Dave and Helen could ever remember. Word had spread fast especially in the Patriot community that Dave and Helen had drawn the line. Militia leaders mailed their letters of support and wrote editorials to the local papers in full support of Johnson's sporting goods and the second amendment. The consensus was that the Klintonistas and BATFaggots had finally pushed the American people too far. If it's a war they want let it start here was the comment from the Lenawee county militia commander. Within the week the Gunstock rebellion had spread to thirty other gunshops in Michigan as word spread that the FFL-holders were trashing their background check computers and mailing letters of intent to the BATFaggots. The gunshops became a rallying point for the patriots and anti-Klintonista forces in Militiagan much as the Liberty trees of old. News and views were taped in the front windows for all to view notifying them that the revolution had begun. Several senators such as Jesse Helms called in their support from the beltway. Michigan milita leaders swore to protect the Gunstock rebellion stores with the full might of the second amendment and put a 24hr. armed guard on Johnson's sporting goods which had received threats from the BATFaggots that they had better take out some fire insurance. Wayne La Pierre of the NRA finally was pushed into a corner and called in the full support of the NRA. George Bush Jr. claimed if elected he would repeal all gun control laws passed since 1968. Militia leaders stated they would settle for nothing less than full repeal of all gun-laws. Klinton threatened to have the National Guard called in to enforce the Federal edicts of the imperium. As of tonight the stand-off ensues as more citizens rally into the warring camps of gun views. Klinton acknowledges that his computer failure over the weekend had backfired and had the opposite effect of making handguns and rifles available in Michigan without a background check Stay tuned for the latest developments! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:44:11 -0700 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: VOLUNTEER INSTRUCTORS MOUNT 'PROJECT KIDSAFE' THIS SATURDAY, MAY 13 (fwd) Snoqualmie Valley Rifle Club, near Snoqualmie falls in Western Washington had a good turnout out our event. Despite a last minute promotion campaign we had several Mom or Dad/Son teams turnout to get a basic introducton to firearms safety (extracted from the NRA Home Firearms Safety curriculum) and an opportunity to learn about the Eddie the Eagle program. Everyone made great contacts, some of the kids plan to check out the juniors program and -everyone- can recite the three rules of gun safety without a moments hesitation. All participants; instructors and students alike had a great time and the instructors are already planning a bigger better program for next year. NRA makes safety happen. Boyd Kneeland Bill Vance wrote: > > On May 12, Wendell M. Joost III wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > www.projectkidsafe.org > > Wendell Joost > > > ============================================== > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > Contact: Joe Waldron (425) > 454-4915 > > > > VOLUNTEER INSTRUCTORS MOUNT 'PROJECT KIDSAFE' THIS SATURDAY, MAY 13 > > > > BELLEVUE, WA - "Our goal is a million gun-safe kids," said Joe > > Waldron, national organizer of "Project KidSafe," which will be > inaugurated > > at gun ranges and other facilitieis in eight states this Saturday, May 13. > > > > Volunteer firearms instructors are coordinating the nationwide > > event, which will provide home firearm safety and child gun safety courses > > to families, and single mothers and their children. > > > > The effort is being sponsored by WeCARE, a coalition representing > > several gun safety organizations, said Waldron. Instructors certified by > > the National Rifle Association will offer Home Firearms Safety programs, > > and the award-winning Eddie Eagle Gun Safety programs at various > locations. > > > > "Education and training are the solutions to gun accidents, not > > more gun control laws," Waldron said. "We're mounting this effort, in the > > hopes that it becomes an annual event." > > > > Nationally, firearms-related deaths of youngsters age 15 and under > > are at an all-time low. Supports of "Project KidSafe" give much credit > for > > this to firearms safety courses, including hunter education, which have > > provided training to millions of Americans over the past 25 years. > > > > An instructor involved in coordinating the multi-state event, > > Wendell Joost of Kirkland, Wash., noted, "There will be a Chief Instructor > > for each class conducted at each site. We will conduct the four-hour long > > NRA Home Firearms Safety course, which teaches safe gun handling skills, > > and how to safely handle, unload and securely store rifles, pistols and > > shotguns." > > > > The Eddie Eagle program will be offered where possible. NRA > > guidelines require that the Eddie Eagle course for children be offered > only > > in "neutral" environments, and not on gun ranges. > > > > "Project KidSafe" events are scheduled in Washington, Idaho, > > Indiana, Michigan, Colorado, California, Texas and Virginia. For example: > > > > * In San Bernardino, Calif., a program will be hosted at the > Magnum > > Range, 9 - 11 a.m. and 1 - 3 p.m. > > > > * In Manassas, Va, a course is scheduled at Hampton Inn, Route 234 > > just south of I-66, 8 a.m.- noon. > > > > * In Utica, Mich. the Detroit Sportsmen's Congress is hosting an > > event at the DSC clubhouse, 49800 DeQuindre Road, 9:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. > > > > * In Bothell, Wash., a Home Firearms Safety course will be offered > > at the Kenmore Gun Ranges, starting at 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. > > > > * In Snoqualmie, Wash. an event will be held at the Snoqualmie > > Valley Rifle Club, Highway 202, two miles west of Snoqualmie. > > > > For more information on Project KidSafe events, visit their > website > > at: www.projectkidsafe.org.> > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 00 11:31:23 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Online Poll / Please Vote (fwd) On May 15, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] // SENT FYI //// If you love your freedom, vote no//// We are suppose to be accountable for our actions.// >X-Sender: spiker@169.132.8.9 >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:35:13 -0600 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: spiker >Subject: Online Poll / Please Vote > >Do you support the gun control message of the "Million Moronic Mom March"? >http://news.excite.com/news/poll/ > >Recent results > > >Yes 41% => 7848 votes > >No 55% => 10544 votes > >Don't know 3% => 703 votes [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 00 07:28:18 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ACT NOW!! (fwd) On May 15, Neal Atkins wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Saw an AP report where Hyde (R-IL) was ready to cave on the House "compromise" on the Juvenille bill and include a 3 day wait, no hi-cap mag import and EVERYTHING ELSE the Pres. wants. Some "compromise". We need to CALL Delay, Armey, J.C.Watt and George W. Bush and tell them NOT TO CAVE! The marching moron momsmay have given them a day's worth of publicity, but we have to respond or we'll get the next level of "gun safety" and after that, they'll be talking registration and licensing. BTW, Hyde is anti-gun, don't waste your time calling him. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 00 20:01:17 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Still Turnin' Up the Heat on EOs (fwd) On May 16, CJE wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From the Liberty Study folks, this info. regarding the continued fight against the Imperial Presidency. If you can't get up the interest to write your congressman, please consider this: A revocation of EOs will enable me to get spare parts for my Daewoo K2s. Don't make me hire Sally Struthers to do a teary-eyed commercial for my plight, ok? Cliff May 16, 2000 Dear friend of liberty, Your efforts are making a difference! H.R. 2655 - The Separation of Powers Restoration Act now has 40 co-sponsors. Rush Limbaugh has been discussing executive orders on his national program, urging Governor Bush to make them a campaign issue, and asking that the subject be a part of the presidential debates. Roger Fredinburgh talked about executive orders during his national program in March. Several regional radio talk show hosts in different parts of the country have talked about executive orders during the last several months. Articles, editorials and letters to the editors have been published in numerous newspapers from coast to coast. The issue is moving in our direction. We must continue to push the issue in the U.S. House of Representatives. In addition to continuing our work in the U.S. House, we can now start moving the issue in the U.S. Senate - thanks to Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho! Action by the U.S. Senate is an equal part of our legislative process. Senator Crapo introduced S. 1795 - The Executive Orders Limitation Act which is very similar to H.R. 2655 - The Separation of Powers Restoration Act. There are people, organizations and institutions that want the problem and, more specifically, the legislative solution to presidential executive order abuse to simply go away; to become nothing more than an item for academic squabble. The issue, however, won't go away - because we're not going to let it. Please urge your two U.S. senators to co-sponsor S. 1795 - The Executive Orders Limitation Act. Go to http://www.executiveorders.org to write to your U.S. senators. Senator Crapo's press release and floor statement about S. 1795 are posted at http://www.executiveorders.org as well as the bill itself. Thank you for your help! Please pass this information on to others. Kent Snyder Liberty Study Committee http://www.libertystudy.org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 00 10:08:32 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PLEASE VOTE IN ONLINE POLL ON GUN ISSUE (fwd) It was pulled when the Statist Centerpiece, the Million Maroons, started loosing big time. They've simply got too much invested in this tactic to allow it to be perceived as a loser. One of the better methods of dealling with them might be humor: How many MMMers does it take to change a light bulb? 50,000. Any fewer, and there wouldn't be anyone there at all. or Did you hear the one about the MMMer who..... You get the picture. Might take a little heat off of Blondes, too. :-) On May 17, NFLEEK@aol.com wrote: >To pro-gun activists: > >I did not see a poll about the "Moms for Murder and Mayhem" at this website, >but there are several polls which may be of interest to gun owners. > >The web site is at: http://www.time.com > >After you arrive at this web site, there is a list on the left side of the >screen which has this hyperlink: Online Polls. After you click on this, at >the top, on the right, is this poll: > > "Gun Control > Should the > U.S. have > stricter gun > control laws?" > >After you vote, you might want to check out the other polls, which include >the Littleton, Colorado, incident. > >Thank you, >Nancy - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 00 10:10:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: VIN -- mostly rocks and gravel (fwd) On May 17, SlickEditor@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Mostly rocks and gravel And so little Nevada has become the nation's largest polluter, this week's headlines inform us. After all, our state's mines released 1.3 billion pounds of toxic pollutants in 1998 -- more than the entire U.S. chemical manufacturing industry combined. Heavens. The uninitiated might assume residents of the Silver State now pull on face masks and full oxygen gear whenever they dare dash out amongst the roiling clouds of sulfur fumes which darken our skies -- that Nevada housewives routinely boil their drinking water after passing it through a succession of ever-finer screens to eliminate the grossest of the animal carcasses, human waste, and other pollutants found floating in that soup of toxic industrial waste that pours from our taps. In fact, of course, such images have little to do with reality. The real reason Nevada has just jumped to the lead of the EPA's "polluters" list is not a new level of irresponsibility on the part of western mine owners, but the fact that this is the first year the federal government has consented to count mine wastes as "toxic discharges." Not only that, the wastes are measured by their raw weight. If tons of otherwise inert rock and gravel contain even trace elements of a potentially toxic metal, and if they're shifted from one location to another -- which is precisely what miners do -- then the new federal regulations require every pound of the rock to be counted as "released pollutants." Thus, a thousand pounds of ore dumped near a mineshaft are considered to be "twice as much pollutant" as 500 pounds of pure mercury poured by a chemical plant into a river in Ohio -- even though the amount of toxic mercury locked in that half-ton of ore may amount to only a fraction of an ounce. In fact, most of the new "pollutants" being reported are nothing more than the routine mine ores and tailings which the federal government has long permitted -- products of operations over which the state of Nevada has little say, in the first place, since they're almost entirely on federal lands and under federal regulation. "Now we know what we've long suspected -- the mining industry is the nation's biggest toxic polluter," stormed Stephen D'Esposito, president of the anti-mining Mineral Policy Center in Washington, D.C. Sure it is -- once you talk the EPA into redefining "toxic waste" to describe tons of mostly harmless rock and gravel that aren't going anywhere. The oceans and the Great Lakes surely contain mercury, arsenic, and every other type of known poison. Shall we thus identify Florida and Michigan as our most endangered states, since they're "nearly surrounded by surging seas of toxic poison?" Or shall we just relax and go swimming? It all depends on your definition. "It's unfortunate that it puts Nevada and the mining industry at the top, but in reality these are naturally occurring compounds that exist in low concentrations," explains Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev. Yes, mercury is released into the atmosphere during the smelting of gold ore. This shouldn't be a secret -- the new "toxic release inventory" law can provide valuable information to regulators and residents alike. But there's no indication the release of such substances over time, releases which would occur at lower rates through natural erosion -- and at far higher rates during volcanic eruptions -- exceeds either federal or state standards, or has reached either water supplies or the food chain at high enough levels to merit concern. (There's no evidence fish caught in Northern Nevada's Humboldt River, for instance, exhibit elevated mercury levels, despite the proximity of that river to many of the mines in question.) Thanks to this new "right to know" law, Nevadans now have more information available about the pollutants released by industrial activity. Good. The challenge now is to put these figures into a proper context, measuring the benefits of mineral production against the risks of pollution, and assessing what progress the industry has made in reducing these risks. That makes a lot more sense than reflexively deciding that "Mining has got to go," based on the transparent agenda of those who would suddenly start labeling gravel piles as "dangerous pollutants." Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their entirety, preserving the original attribution. The Vinsends list is maintained by Alan Wendt in Colorado, who may be reached directly at alan@ezlink.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 00 13:17:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fun with MMM Sponsors (fwd) On May 17, Ry Jones wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Please forward to anyone with a little free time and access to a phone. Ry - -- I noticed a lot of companies jumped in on the MM March, and a lot of them have 800 numbers. Perhaps you could call and let them know how you feel? I also noticed that a lot of them will send you nice glossy marketing materials. Be sure to call all toll-free numbers from a payphone. Remember: be polite, firm, respectful. Threats and cursing and hollering don't get you anywhere. Numbers marked (whois) are from the "whois" service of internic.net. Numbers marked (toll) are likely to be toll calls, unless you live in the area. MMM: 888.989.MOMS http://www.wdcahotels.com/ : 800.553.2200 Mom.Com: 888.8.momcom Chezzam: http://www.chezzam.com/chezzam_material_request.htm Also, 800.541.HART. Also, http://www.zenithpyro.com/zenith_profile.htm CIBC: Locations near you, worldwide. http://www.cibcwm.com/About/worldwide_locations.html Oxygen.com: run by Oprah.com. Not toll free. 212.833.4400 (whois) (toll) IVillage.Com: No 800 number. However, investor relations will let you in on the skinny: http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=IVIL&script=2300&layout=7 212.604.0963 (whois) (toll) Superior Graphics: 973.279.0066 (toll) WhiteHouseProtests.Com: 301.963.2595 (whois) (toll) blbglaw.com: 212.554.1400, 201.487.9700, 858.793.0070 (toll) sheerrcomm.com: 610.525.4084 (toll) SaraHickman.com: 1.888.606.6874 for orders, 512.444.8750 for booking (toll) Applegatefarms.com: 800.587.5858 http://www.calyxandcorolla.com/: order 1.888.88.CALYX customer service 1.800.877.0998. To request a catalog, http://www.calyxandcorolla.com/about/requestcatalog.html Jon Corzine for Senate: 973.643.0500 (toll) Workingmommall.com: 410.465.4758 (whois) (toll) Localmom.com: 617.522.1515 (whois) (toll) Guess: 1.877.444.8377 Stride Rite: 617.824.6000 (toll) RiverFront Assoc: 609.392.7900 (whois) McClelland Press: 413.458.4248 (toll) Progressive Promotions: 707.822.7472 (toll) Little Eric's Shoe Store: 973.379.6998 (toll) Temple Ahavat Shalom: 818.360.2258 (toll) Over The Moon: 973.746.1728 (toll) Val's Art: 973.275.1966 (toll) Dem Two Hands: 973.783.8344 (toll) Cambridge Toy Box: 617.354.8796 (toll) Doitforthekids.org: 303.758.0000 (toll) (whois) Voter.com: 617.742.0888 (toll) WASH-FM: 301.984.9710 (toll) PAX TV: http://www.paxtv.com/feedback.cfm , 407.659.4122 (toll) (whois) MCI Center: 972.633.0481 (toll) (whois) Lifetime TV: http://www.lifetimetv.com/help/feedback.html , 212.424.7230 (toll) (whois) Planet Hollywood: 407.363.7827 (toll) 407.903.5653 (toll) (whois) Viacom, Inc.: 1.800.516.4399, 212.258.6000 (toll) Dannon: 1.800.321.2174 Ben & Jerry's: 1.800.53.SUGAR or 802.846.1500 (toll) FileMaker: 800.325.2747 Buildabear.com: 1.888.560.BEAR or 1.877.PTY.BEAR You can check out the updated lists at: http://www.millionmommarch.com/html/endorsers.html and http://www.millionmommarch.com/html/sponsors.html Here are more sponsors to look up: if you find the info on these guys, edit the list and forward it back to me. I just ran out of time and I think I got the juicy targets all taken care of. I deleted anything from the list that was clearly a person. Fontana di Trevi Restaurant, NYC Anthem Lady (Apple) Pies, Maryland Fabricut, Inc., Tulsa, OK Park Slope Copy Center Budget Print Center, Montclair, NJ It's A Wrap, NYC Maryland Copier Corp. CMS Companies UTZ Plumbing, Md Gepettos Toy Box First Run Features Ding-A-Ling Communications Washington's Green Grocers, D.C. Pennsylvania State Representative Connie Williams Parents Magazine & Child Magazine Nick Lewis Graphic Design, Montclair, NJ Flying Colors, Berkeley ,CA Nita Ideas, Short Hills, NJ Kwik Kopy, #138 Euless, TX Mail Boxes Etc., Colleyville, TX Debbie's Copies, Euless, TX Digi Press, Irving, TX Grapevine Sun, Grapevine, TX Shirlington Storage, Arlington, VA NVJCC/San Fernando Valley Moms Kaiser Permanente Foundation - Colorado Abstract Edge Bellingham Unitarian Fellowship Beth Emet Synagogue Community Foundation of NJ Entrust Capital Inc Beverly Forsyth Funders Collaborative for the Prevention of Gun Violence General Atlantic Services Corp GS Management Services, LLC Hadassah - Women's Zionist Org of America KEF Media Kathleen Koljack Marylanders Against Hand Gun Abuse Mechthild Schmidt, House Works Digital Media Inc National Capital of Prebytery Orange Cty - Citizens for the Prev of GV Policy Management Systems Corporation Rose Foundation Saf T Lok Inc Southern CA Gas Company Trinity Presbyterian Church Union of American Hebrew Congr United Methodist Church Board Virgin Atlantic Airways Washington Parent Magazine Washington Woman Magazine Turkel Family Charitable Foundation Stop Handgun Violence The David Bohnett Foundation St. Matthew's Episcopal Church of Evanston The Safer Communities Foundation of Winston-Salem [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 00 12:36:16 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "Come Kill Us" TOM ADKINS (fwd) On May 18, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] the Common Conservative 5/16/00 Tom Adkins Link---> commonconservative.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come Kill Us Million Moms March to Victimhood by Tom Adkins Here we go again. Another fake march by a fake "nonpartisan" group trying to fake-out America. Led by Donna Dees-Thomases, the latest pied-piper of constitutional reengineering, a million "moms" (give or take 900,000, depending on who's counting) marched on DC to persuade American women to revoke the second amendment. In their twisted logic, these women believe if we all toss our guns in a river, crime will disappear. Let's quote directly from the Million Moms website: "While we acknowledge that guns may be necessary for hunting, law enforcement, and national security, the proliferation of firearms intended for one purpose only - killing another human being - has become untenable." Untenable? Let me offer personal assurance that when the next rapist drags one of these disarmed ditzes off the street, she will beg for the touch of a cold and cocked Glock 45. Without a trigger lock. Because Chuck Schumer won't come rescue her. Rosie O'Donnell won't drop by to harangue the guy to death. Donna Dees-Thomases won't march a million women into the bushes and drag the guy out. These hypocrites who enjoy armed protection 24/7 will never be there to help. Without a gun to defend herself, the next rape victim will meekly submit to violation and humiliation at the least, violent and bloody murder at the worst. In that instant before she dies, the rapist will have converted his victim into a staunch defender of the second amendment. Salesmen call this "the hard sell ..." Who is Donna Dees-Thomases, anyway? And why is she demanding a million mothers surrender the best safety and defense for their families? Dees-Thomases is the sister-in-law of Susan Thomases, Hillary's best friend and staunch defender of the First Family's right to break any law they please. Her resume includes a stint as publicist for Clinton jock-sniffer Dan Rather. Dees-Thomases is no "average housewife" newly awakened to the world's problems. She is a committed liberal Democrat, disguised as a "concerned mother" to hide her leftist intentions. Like all liberal hacks, Dees-Thomases must lie about who she is, what she is and her agenda. This crusade is actually full of lies. Twelve kids a day do not die from gun violence. Except for late-teen gang-bangers, about 100 children a year die from accidental gun deaths. Tragic, but less than the 200 who accidentally suffocate, the 950 who drown, and the 1,000 who are burned. Shall we put locks on Saran wrap? Outlaw bathtubs and stoves? 2,900 kids die every year in car accidents. Al Gore and Ted Kennedy jokes aside ... shall we outlaw the automobile? You could write a book of irrefutable stats proving these fools are wrong. Actually, it's been written. Liberal professor John Lott clearly proved lax gun control actually leads to less crime and strict gun control leads to more gun crime. The marching mommies may not be aware of this relationship, but criminals certainly are. In every nation that has tried gun control, violent crime has risen markedly. So ladies ... why go half way? Save the suspense! Simply find the nearest rapist, drive over to his house and rip your clothes off for him. All sorts of fools are climbing aboard this DNC-sponsored bandwagon. Career gun-hater and congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy, the irony flying over her head at warp speed, is making appearances on every talking head show as cheerleader for these Million Future Victims. Her husband and son didn't have the foresight to defend themselves against the sick man who mowed them down in a New York subway. Now, she wants the rest of America to join them. The ultimate question is: Should we surrender the best defense against criminal violence in order to prevent 100 accidental gun deaths a year? I didn't see Dees-Thomases discuss the 2.5 million crimes stopped every year by firearms. She didn't mention the gun violence liberal Hollywood shoves down the throat of America's children, either. And she curiously avoids questioning the Clinton administration phobia of enforcing current gun laws. Please spare us the charade. Dees-Thomases doesn't give a damn about families or children. If she did, she would demand that all mothers who really care about their children arm themselves and teach the kids how and when to use guns. If some 14-year-old daughter is baby-sitting and some crack-head kicks the door down, she should know where the gun is, how to use it, and who to call to pick up the well-ventilated body. It boils down to this: Before guns, there were knives. Before knives there were clubs. Before clubs there were rocks. There have never been shortages of ways to kill each other. But the handgun became the great equalizer. In the old American West, the saying went, "God created man. Sam Colt made them equal." Equal power is the antithesis of liberalism. That is why liberals want guns eliminated. What die-hard liberals like Dees-Thomases want is victims. Many more. Why? Because Wayne LaPierre was right. If you recall, LaPierre accused Bill Clinton of accepting tragedy to further his political agenda. In fact, every liberal idea is specifically designed to create failure. If welfare was eliminated and we privatized Medicare and social security, unemployment would disappear, medical costs would drop like a stone, and we'd all retire millionaires. And if every woman were armed, 4,100 rapes would have not taken place last year. Without victims, liberals would have to get real jobs as convenience store clerks and such. The very existence of liberalism depends upon misery, mayhem and violence. And that is why they want to disarm the entire nation. Therefore, the problem isn't simply that these naive ladies are willing to martyr themselves and sacrifice their children to pacify the gods of liberalism. That is their choice. The real problem is they want the rest of America to sacrifice our families as well. They are not caring, thinking mothers. They are a dizzy bunch of helpless dopes marching to their demise, following partisan liberal political hacks like Donna Dees-Thomases. In the end, I suppose we shouldn't worry about these ladies. After all, Democrats such as Thomases, James Carville, and the entire CNN staff spent the last four years proclaiming women who are assaulted are just a bunch of silly sluts who are asking for it. Maybe they have a point. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * * * NOTICE * * * LAST CHANCE to pay 1999 rates. Technical Surveillance Countermeasures [some people call it debugging] The first hands-on TSCM training class in our new location will be the LAST class at the old tuition. The first week will be offered June 12 - 16. There are a few slots still open. For full information please call Scott Parker or Jim Ross on 800-US-DEBUG or 703-365-2200. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 00 12:35:18 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] Secret searches (fwd) On May 18, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Fourth Amendment Sneak Attack Reno's outrageous Secret Searches measure. By Dave Kopel, of the Independence Institute The Reno Department of Justice is very good at being sneaky. The DOJ's lobbyists are on the verge of successfully sneaking into law a provision which will authorize federal agents to stealthily enter people's homes, search the homes, and not tell anyone. The Secret Searches measure is so outrageous that it would have no chance of being enacted as a bill on its own, when subjected to public scrutiny and debate. So instead, the DOJ has nestled the Secret Search item deep inside a long bill dealing with methamphetimines. The measure is further disguised with the innocuous title of "Notice Clarification." Subject to virtually no public discussion, the Secret Searches item has already passed the Senate, hidden inside the methamphetimine giant S. 486. Next week, the House Judiciary Committee will take up H.R. 2987, the House version of the Senate bill, which also contains the buried clause on Secret Searches (section 301). The federal bankruptcy reform bill (which has passed both houses, and is currently in a conference committee) likewise has the hidden Secret Searches language. If the Secret Searches provision became law, it would apply to all searches conducted by the federal government, not just searches involving methamphetimines or bankruptcy. When conducting searches, federal agents are currently required to announce their presence before entering, and to provide an inventory of any items they take. Because the person whose home or business is being searched knows about the search, he can exercise his Fourth Amendment rights, and make sure that the police have a properly-issued search warrant. He can also see if the search is being conducted according to the warrant's terms i.e., the police are searching only for items authorized by the warrant, they are searching the right address, etc. But under a Secret Searches law, federal police could enter a person's home surreptitiously, conduct a search, and not tell the homeowner until months later. Even months later, the police would not have to provide an inventory of "intangible" items which were taken in a search. So if the police entered your home secretly, and photocopied your diary or made a copy of your computer hard disk, they would never have to inform you of their actions. Should the Secret Searches item be deleted from the methamphetimine and bankruptcy bills, it is likely that Clinton will try to sneak the item into a gigantic budget bill, during the Congressional Republicans' annual fall appropriations surrender. Take note: In a previous Congress, Clinton was able to obtain authority for warrantless wiretaps which had been defeated after public debate earlier in the year by hiding the authority in the year's omnibus budget bill. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #342 *************************