From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #347 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, May 30 2000 Volume 02 : Number 347 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 May 00 09:21:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Home Schooling and Histrionics (fwd) On May 29, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@aol.com It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. _______________________________________________ INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY With all that the schools in this country are doing (searching lockers, demanding clear plastic back packs, forcing students to go thru metal detectors because one of their fellow students may want to kill him/her, including draconian punishments for "distributing drugs", like aspirins to a fellow student, or applying no-tolerance fiats for kids firing finger guns), or not doing (like teaching the 3 R's, ranking 17th internationally), why would anyone object to home schooling? Of course, it's not for everyone, but for those that can-------should. Think about it, folks. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: therepublican@ideasign.com (The Republican) Conservative News Service http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewEducation.asp?Page=\Education\archive\EDU20000525a. html Home Schooling and Histrionics By Isabel Lyman CNS Commentary from the Cato Institute 25 May, 2000 In a recent speech concluding his two-day "school reform tour," President Clinton offered his opinions on home schooling, suggesting that, in his mind, even successful private endeavors should not go unencumbered by government impositions. "If you're going to [operate a home school]," Clinton remarked, "your children have to prove that they're learning on a regular basis, and if they don't prove that they're learning then they have to go into a school -- either into a parochial or private school or a public school." This is truly a case of government's attempting to create a remedy for a problem that does not exist. The reason is intuitive: parents who assume the extraordinary burden of home schooling their children are by definition parents uncommonly dedicated to their children's education. Home-schooled students typically come from families with above average income, high educational achievement, intact marriages and a strong dedication to education. The reality, verifiable by anecdote and standardized test alike, is that in every academic area home-schooled students are far surpassing students enrolled in government schools. The most reliable data are from a 1998 study by Dr. Lawrence Rudner of the University of Maryland in which over 20,000 home-schooled students took standardized tests and completed other questionnaires. Unlike previous studies, Rudner's was conducted on a comparatively large sample and included only families who agreed to participate before knowing their children's test scores. The study concludes that "in every subject and at every grade level of the [tests], home schooled students scored significantly higher than their public and private school counterparts." Furthermore, the study shows that home-schooled children had average scores that fell between the 82nd and the 92nd percentile in reading and reached the 85th percentile in math. By the eighth grade, the average home-schooled student is performing four grade levels above the national average. If you measure academic achievement by success in national contests, consider that the 1997 National Spelling Bee was won by Rebecca Sealfon, a 13-year-old home schooler from Brooklyn, New York. In 1999 the National Geography Bee was won by David Beihl of Saluda, South Carolina, another 13-year-old home schooler. In his speech, Clinton said, "The best thing to do is to get the home schoolers organized." Of course, Clinton really means, organized by the government. Large non-government home school organizations already exist in every state. Richard G. Medlin, writing in the Home School Researcher, surveyed the attitudes of 1,500 home school students toward support groups and found that a remarkable 85 percent of those surveyed said they belong to such a group or intend to join one. Those organizations usually offer a wide range of services to home school families, such as newsletters, curriculum suggestions, state home school legal information, e-mail networks and conferences. For example, the Richmond Regional Home Educators of Richmond, Virginia has volunteers who organize a staggering number of activities, including a band, gymnastics classes, a yearbook and a graduation ceremony for high school seniors. My own 14-year-old son participates in the Edmond Home School Cooperative in central Oklahoma. The Co-op, as it is nicknamed, has 200 students and a waiting list of more than 100. Twice a week, students take academic classes, and the Co-op organizers are even hosting a chartered bus trip to Washington, D.C., this summer. Home-schooled students receive a more varied education than does a child who is conventionally schooled. Let's not forget that schools, no matter what the National Education Association preaches about the advantages of a racially diverse student body, are rigidly conformist institutions. Young people are subjected to the same predetermined curriculum, grading policies and behavioral guidelines and are expected to arrive and depart at the same time every day. Grade levels are determined primarily by age, regardless of a child's aptitude. Very often it is a loud bell that informs faculty that study of one topic must end and that of another must begin. Home schooling, by contrast, is based on the principles of liberty. Families enjoy the freedom to teach what they want, when they want. Parents can advocate a strict creationist view or they can offer evolution, without fear of offending anyone. Home-schooling parents don't take a dime from taxpayers and don't impose their educational methods on others; their children certainly are not gunning down other children. According to conservative estimates, home-schooled students account for only about 1 percent of the school-aged population. Their accomplishments are quite impressive, but some people are nonetheless suspicious and intolerant of this successful private education practice. Home schooling will not, if Clinton gets his way, be spared from the reflexive desire of some to claim the need for government supervision, regardless of whether the object of the endeavor wants, needs, or will be improved by the intrusion. Isabel Lyman holds a doctoral degree in Social Science and is author of the Cato Policy Analysis, "Homeschooling: Back to the Future?" [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] ------------------------------ A.K. Pritchard http://www.ideasign.com/chiliast/ http://rosie.acmecity.com/songfest/189/ To subscribe to "The Republican" email list - just ask! therepublican@ideasign.com "Now, however, the educational system has become the weapon of choice for modern liberals in their project of dismantling American culture." --Judge Robert Bork in "Slouching Toward Gomorrah." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GovtWatch for Freedom http://members.aol.com/g0vtwatch/index.html subscribe: govtwatch-subscribe@egroups.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 00 09:23:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: VIN-- schoolyard petitioning (fwd) On May 29, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Schoolyard petitioning -- open to all? So long as those who are net tax recipients retain the vote (though some do sense a sizable conflict there), school district employees have the same right to circulate an initiative petition as anyone else. But when Clark County (Las Vegas) school bus driver Cynthia Knew approached other district employees during a break at the district's Arville Road bus yard on May 2, seeking signatures on a union petition pushing a new 4 percent state income tax on business activity, district Director of Transportation Ronald Despenza told her she'd gone too far. Mr. Despenza "unlawfully ordered Ms. Knew to not solicit any additional signatures on the district property, even during her off hours," charges the Nevada State Education Association in a lawsuit filed in Clark County District Court Monday. The suit asks the court to instruct the district to allow employees to circulate the petition on district property during their off hours. Give Ms. Knew credit for not sneaking around -- the way Mr. Despenza found out about the petition was that she handed it to him and asked him to sign. But there would still be a few problems with such an arrangement. First, school property is public property. And if a given piece of public property is open to some petition circulators, then it must be open to all petition circulators. The school district can hardly be seen picking and choosing which partisan political cause will receive its tacit endorsement. Would the school district allow non-employees to enter its faculty lounges, seeking employee signatures on petitions to break up the school district into smaller jurisdictions? Do parents or average citizens now have the right to enter school property seeking signatures on petitions asking that state funds be diverted to private schools through "vouchers" or tax credits? It would be one way to go. But given today's breathless concern over safety, liability, and control? Highly unlikely. In this regard, allowing the use of school property for electioneering on a selective basis would be equivalent to allowing district teachers to send home notes with each child, urging parents to vote for this new "hire more educrats" income tax proposal. Would some association of small businessmen, opposed to the tax, then be allowed to deliver hundreds of thousands of anti-tax pamphlets to the school district loading dock, secure in the guarantee that each one would be dutifully sent home with a child in the district? I didn't think so. The schools hold enormous potential political power. Already, Denver public school students have been granted academic "extra credit" for attending anti-gun rallies, and the organizers of the recent Million Mom March in Washington, D.C. asked school officials in Montgomery County, Md., to grant students credit toward their "student service learning requirement" for attending that partisan political demonstration. Up till now, "drug education" and other such thinly disguised propaganda assemblies have been tolerated on the theory that "No one favors drug use." Though if representatives of the Libertarian Party have been invited to present to student assemblies the case that legalizing drugs might prove a more effective solution -- just as re-legalizing alcohol in 1933 stopped the violence, corruption, and erosion of our legal rights now remembered as the "Roaring Twenties" -- it seems to have gone unannounced. The government schools would be well advised to guard against venturing any further down this slippery slope toward transparently partisan indoctrination of their "captive audience" -- be it student or employee -- lest a future court suit arrive on behalf of a major political party representing close to half the populace, arguing that those party members cannot be required to pay school taxes which promote such an antithetical partisan political agenda, any more than they should be required by law to pay dues to the opposition party. Imagine the school district's plight if the courts were to uphold such a suit as that. Finally, let up suppose that Mr. Despenza had acted as the union would now have the court order him to act -- signing Ms. Knew's petition and heartily congratulating her on her civic activism. Wouldn't she likely have told the next person, "See, the boss just signed; he says it's a great idea"? And are we really to believe that next employee solicited would not then have felt some undue pressure not to be seen as the "odd man out" -- not merely by a co-worker, but by the very head of his or her department, who might even now be watching out the window to see whether he or she signs? For all these reasons, Mr. Despenza did the right thing. Here's hoping the court agrees. Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 00 16:50:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: What Happens When You Run Against a Klintonista (fwd) On May 29, CJE wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Want to run a campaign against a Klintonista? Are you _sure_? http://www.sierratimes.com/arjj052900.htm And this is what happens when you're raped by El Presidente de Los Klintonistas, and talk about it: http://drudgereport.com Isn't our El Salvador-on-the Potomac a charming little spot? Cliff [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 00 16:51:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SouthBendTribune.com Jack Colwell (fwd) On May 29, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Guaranteed to get you hot under the collar. The opinions contained herein, are not shared by the sender. FYI: South Bend is home of Notre Dame University. : SouthBendTribune.com Jack Colwell ----- Original Message ----- From: markav2@michiana.org l Please Call Jack Colwell at home and give him a piece of your mind. Jack Colwell 1462 Bridge Water Way Mishawaka, Indiana Home Phone: (219) 277-0677 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- May 28, 2000 jack colwell Shoot, it's just another family activity The National Rifle Association is known for good investments. Sure. The NRA owns some of the finest congressmen that money can buy. Now, they've found a sure-fire investment. The NRA plans to open a superstore in New York's Times Square, featuring virtual reality shooting ranges, gun paraphernalia sales and a grill serving wild game. It'll provide a family atmosphere. "We believe in family shooting for fun and shooting for enjoyment," said Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. So do a lot of kids these days. Just look at all the family shootings. Recall, too, the smiles on the faces of the Columbine High School practitioners of Second Amendment rights. Showed clearly how they were shooting for enjoyment. LaPierre said the store would be a place in which "firearms enthusiasts of all kinds can come and shop and play and be together." All kinds. Gang members, of course. Hey, they're particularly enthusiastic about shooting. Drug dealers could enthusiastically practice on the virtual reality ranges for the times when it's necessary to enthusiastically protect their distribution areas and ward off police. The NRA Sports store in Times Square is sure to be a success. Even anti-gun nuts are warming up to the concept. One was kind enough to suggest a sign for the superstore: "Over a million killed." Charlton Heston, Moses himself, will lead the way to the promised land of merchandising for the NRA. Heston was re-elected as NRA president at the gun lobby's annual meeting last weekend. He made a big hit, waving a musket in the air and saying people like the hysterical women in that Million Mom March would have to pry his gun "from my cold, dead hands." They won't try. They were just wailing about dead kids, not seeking to take away the Moses musket. They cited things like the United States having the highest gun death rate in a study of 36 countries. Well, that's what the Founding Fathers intended. They cited statistics. Like from a study of gun death rates for children under 15 in 26 industrialized countries. Showed the gun death rate in the good old United States of America was nearly 12 times higher than in the other 25 countries combined. Yes, combined. We're No. 1. And the NRA deserves the credit. At the NRA meeting, many of the patriots attending showed what they thought of Smith & Wesson. They shunned the gun maker's exhibit. Why? Well, Smith & Wesson caved in to the sob sisters and weaklings and agreed to put childproof locks on its pistols. Anybody knows that's a violation of Second Amendment rights. The Founding Fathers wrote: "A well-regulated militia being necessary, the right of children to shoot themselves shall not be infringed." The NRA superstore no doubt will have plaques spelling out many other rights the Founding Fathers intended in that amendment about a militia. New York's Times Square is envisioned as only the first site for an NRA Sports store. Michigan Avenue in Chicago is mentioned as another possible high-profile site. Shoot, before long, there will be a store in the South Bend-Mishawaka area. Start thinking now of possible locations. How about the College Football Hall of Fame? Young fans could practice techniques for two sports, kicking footballs and gunning down teachers, during the same visit. Attendance would shoot upward. Or maybe on the University of Notre Dame campus? It could go right next to the Hesburgh Center's Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies. It would be called the Heston Institute for Packin' a Piece Studies. Perhaps on the old Uniroyal site in Mishawaka? They've been saying for years that the site contained dangerous and deadly materials. We could continue that tradition. On Sample Street near the South Bend Police Station? That's it. Very convenient. For police, called so often to deal with results of shooting. And for the type of gun enthusiast who would see superstore warnings about authorities and decide to take pre-emptive action. Jack Colwell 1462 Bridge Water Way Mishawaka, Indiana Home Phone: (219) 277-0677 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 00 20:01:21 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Gas Shortage Ahead? -- Precautionary Measures Indicated (fwd) On May 29, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Anyone heard of this? Huck Norm Olson wrote: > To all Patriots: > > Having heard from three different sources in the past two > days that gas stations may begin to close as early as Thursday > due to a shortage, appropriate action may be necessary. > > One source said that the source's large Marathon station > is playing it "day-by-day" and has no guarantee of fuel tankers > this week-end. > > It may be good to begin asking questions of your local > station managers. If a fuel shortage is coming (soaring > prices it may indicate supply/demand problems) it would > be good to top off and replenish reserves within the > next 48 hours. > > Don't expect a media announcement or anything from the > federal or state emergency managers. I'm topping off my > Y2K barrels and tanks tonight, even at $1.76 per gallon. > It's expensive, but I am genuinely concerned. > > Kind Regards, > > Norm Olson, Commander > Northern Michigan Regional Militia [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 00 19:57:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Who Elected Him? (fwd) On May 29, Roger W. Ek wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Well Susan....the women put Clinton in and kept him there. I feel inulted >and outraged about that. No amount of proof of his raping and abusing women, >his treason, infidelity, etc. could wake up the liberal NOW crowd and vast >majority of women to vote against that slime bag. If the truth offends you, >that's really tough!! Clinton was elected by 24% of America's eligible voters - twice! That's all, just 24%. How is this possible? Over half of our eligible voters just stayed home. We didn't have much of a choice. Clinton and Bush both favored NAFTA, GATT, MAI, IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red China, bigger government, higher taxes and less freedom. Despite the limited choice we had, we did have the opportunity to throw the bum out and let that chance go. Our choices this year are very similar. Gore and Bush both favor (guess what) NAFTA, GATT, MAI, IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red China, bigger government, higher taxes and less freedom. They seem to be alike, but there are subtle differences. Gore would try to take all our guns. Bush would only try to take some. Gore would try to create wilderness and drive people off their land. Bush only wants "limited" increases government land. The fringe candidates will attract only a few percentage points. No fringe candidate will carry even one state. Al Gore will get that same dedicated 24% of America's vote that Clinton did. If we don't swallow the bitter medicine and get out and vote for Bush, Gore will be the next president. After 8 years of Gore Hillary will be in for 8 years and by then Chelsea will be old enough. Think about it friends. ======================================================================== ///, //// \ /, / >./ For those that have fought for it, \ /, _/ /. Freedom has a flavor the protected \_ /_/ /. will never know. \__/_ < /<<< \_\_ Roger W. Ek /,)^>>_._ \ (/ \\ /\\\ Candidate for Maine Senate, District 3 // ```` ENOUGH ((` is ENOUGH mequest@telplus.net http://www.glprl.org/TOG/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:48:03 -0700 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Who Elected Him? (fwd) This is the same, tired "best-of-two-evils" argument. Until there is a consistent 5% vote for Freedom, neither party has any reason to change. When the Libertarians, for instance, have the balance of victory in any given race, the two major-party candidates will have the incentive to try to attract these votes. They can't do it by being "big gov" candidates. The Socialists never had more than 5% of the national vote. They never elected more than 20 members of Congress. Republicans are now more socialistic than the Socialists ever were. Every year, people hold their nose and vote for the least-bad major party candidates. Every year, we find we have lost more freedom, Constitutional gov is further devalued, fewer people understand our history, more think the current situation is 'normal'. Those trends are what is important -- having Al Gore as president will speed up these trends, Bush will slow them down. The trends will continue. There is a positive side: radicals produce radicals. Clinton sold more guns than anyone since Hitler because of his radical anti-gun stance. An increasing minority of people are concerned about the state of Constitutional government because of his blatant criminality. Gore will increase these trends faster than Bush. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:57 PM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Who Elected Him? (fwd) > > > On May 29, Roger W. Ek wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > >Well Susan....the women put Clinton in and kept him there. I feel inulted > >and outraged about that. No amount of proof of his raping and > abusing women, > >his treason, infidelity, etc. could wake up the liberal NOW > crowd and vast > >majority of women to vote against that slime bag. If the truth > offends you, > >that's really tough!! > > Clinton was elected by 24% of America's eligible voters - twice! > That's all, just 24%. How is this possible? Over half of our eligible > voters just stayed home. We didn't have much of a choice. Clinton and > Bush both favored NAFTA, GATT, MAI, IMF, the World Bank, the Federal > Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red China, bigger government, higher > taxes and less freedom. > > Despite the limited choice we had, we did have the opportunity to > throw the bum out and let that chance go. Our choices this year are > very similar. Gore and Bush both favor (guess what) NAFTA, GATT, MAI, > IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red > China, bigger government, higher taxes and less freedom. > > They seem to be alike, but there are subtle differences. Gore would > try to take all our guns. Bush would only try to take some. Gore > would try to create wilderness and drive people off their land. Bush > only wants "limited" increases government land. > > The fringe candidates will attract only a few percentage points. No > fringe candidate will carry even one state. Al Gore will get that > same dedicated 24% of America's vote that Clinton did. If we don't > swallow the bitter medicine and get out and vote for Bush, Gore will > be the next president. After 8 years of Gore Hillary will be in for 8 > years and by then Chelsea will be old enough. Think about it friends. > > > ======================================================================== > ///, //// > \ /, / >./ For those that have > fought for it, > \ /, _/ /. Freedom has a flavor > the protected > \_ /_/ /. will never know. > \__/_ < > /<<< \_\_ Roger W. Ek > /,)^>>_._ \ > (/ \\ /\\\ Candidate for Maine > Senate, District 3 > // ```` > ENOUGH ((` is ENOUGH mequest@telplus.net > http://www.glprl.org/TOG/ > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message > ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 00 07:16:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Who Elected Him? (fwd) On May 30, Lew Glendenning wrote: >This is the same, tired "best-of-two-evils" argument. > >Until there is a consistent 5% vote for Freedom, neither party has any >reason to change. When the Libertarians, for instance, have the balance of >victory in any given race, the two major-party candidates will have the >incentive to try to attract these votes. They can't do it by being "big >gov" candidates. What with the 3Ps getting together in Hawaii, that may this time around. Hopefully that will sow the seed, but it still browns me off that the Greens are involved in it, >The Socialists never had more than 5% of the national vote. They never >elected more than 20 members of Congress. Republicans are now more >socialistic than the Socialists ever were. And the Democrats more Communistic than the Commies. >Every year, people hold their nose and vote for the least-bad major party >candidates. Every year, we find we have lost more freedom, Constitutional >gov is further devalued, fewer people understand our history, more think the >current situation is 'normal'. > >Those trends are what is important -- having Al Gore as president will speed >up these trends, Bush will slow them down. The trends will continue. > >There is a positive side: radicals produce radicals. Clinton sold more >guns than anyone since Hitler because of his radical anti-gun stance. An >increasing minority of people are concerned about the state of >Constitutional government because of his blatant criminality. Gore will >increase these trends faster than Bush. Yeah, but the Administration isn't the only factor that produces Radicals. How _we_ react to the activities of Administration(X), is _very_ important. The more outrageous they and their toadies come across, the more Radicals we can create. Even in slow times, (Bush), we can still say something like, "Remember how the Clintonistas were? These are the same clowns. Give them an inch, and they'll be stuffing this crap down our throats again." This is one of the reasons I forward so much stuff to/from various lists. Somebody out there having a brewski with the boys can turn to his pal and say, "Hey, remember that conversation we had about(X)? I just read that blah blah.", and another brush fire is started. It just takes good ammo about issue(X). >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:57 PM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Who Elected Him? (fwd) >> >> >> On May 29, Roger W. Ek wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> --------------------] >> >> >Well Susan....the women put Clinton in and kept him there. I feel inulted >> >and outraged about that. No amount of proof of his raping and >> abusing women, >> >his treason, infidelity, etc. could wake up the liberal NOW >> crowd and vast >> >majority of women to vote against that slime bag. If the truth >> offends you, >> >that's really tough!! >> >> Clinton was elected by 24% of America's eligible voters - twice! >> That's all, just 24%. How is this possible? Over half of our eligible >> voters just stayed home. We didn't have much of a choice. Clinton and >> Bush both favored NAFTA, GATT, MAI, IMF, the World Bank, the Federal >> Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red China, bigger government, higher >> taxes and less freedom. >> >> Despite the limited choice we had, we did have the opportunity to >> throw the bum out and let that chance go. Our choices this year are >> very similar. Gore and Bush both favor (guess what) NAFTA, GATT, MAI, >> IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red >> China, bigger government, higher taxes and less freedom. >> >> They seem to be alike, but there are subtle differences. Gore would >> try to take all our guns. Bush would only try to take some. Gore >> would try to create wilderness and drive people off their land. Bush >> only wants "limited" increases government land. >> >> The fringe candidates will attract only a few percentage points. No >> fringe candidate will carry even one state. Al Gore will get that >> same dedicated 24% of America's vote that Clinton did. If we don't >> swallow the bitter medicine and get out and vote for Bush, Gore will >> be the next president. After 8 years of Gore Hillary will be in for 8 >> years and by then Chelsea will be old enough. Think about it friends. >> >> >> ======================================================================== >> ///, //// >> \ /, / >./ For those that have >> fought for it, >> \ /, _/ /. Freedom has a flavor >> the protected >> \_ /_/ /. will never know. >> \__/_ < >> /<<< \_\_ Roger W. Ek >> /,)^>>_._ \ >> (/ \\ /\\\ Candidate for Maine >> Senate, District 3 >> // ```` >> ENOUGH ((` is ENOUGH mequest@telplus.net >> http://www.glprl.org/TOG/ >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #347 *************************