From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #363 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, July 4 2000 Volume 02 : Number 363 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jul 00 10:36:54 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Leafleting at "The Patriot!" (fwd) On Jul 02, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, Some of the stalwarts out on the Left Coast are seizing the day and handing out Second Amendment leaflets outside theaters showing the movie "The Patriot." This would be an outstanding photo / news opportunity during this 4th of July celebration. How many of you know Revolutionary War re-enactors? Unfortunately, I do not have a Revolutionary War era costume, but would be willing to pass out copies of the US Constitution at area theaters if anyone can provide them. Perhaps GOA? This is an opportunity that local RKBA defense organizations in every state would be foolish to pass up. Imagine an MMM but, but locally everywhere, and handing out the Constitutional message right after the film? We only have a small window within which to act before the 4th. In Liberty, Rick V. Guns Are Tyranny Control http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist - ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA - ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ca-firearms-errors@lists.best.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Digest ca-firearms.v001.n1269 - -------------- BEGIN ca-firearms.v001.n1269 -------------- 001 - Michael Pelletier Subject: Leafleting at "The Patriot!" Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, fellow patriots! I just got back from standing out in front of the AMC Mercado 20 theater in Santa Clara. I was dressed in a colonial gentleman's suit, complete with tricorner hat, handing out Second Amendment Foundation pamphlets entitled "The Founding Fathers' Booklet of Gun Quotes." It was a ROUSING success! I distributed nearly !!500!! of these booklets to theatergoers! Four and a half rubber-banded bundles of them! A dozen people shook my hand and thanked me, a good number of people identified themselves as NRA members, four groups of people took their pictures with me because of my costume, and six others complimented me on my attire and asked me where I got it. Three people asked me "are you the Patriot?" My reply: "I'm one of many!" One woman handed back the flyer and said "I don't support the NRA" -- isn't it funny how ALL pro-freedom information is presumed to be connected with the NRA? -- and another woman walked up and said "this is terrible propaganda!" and threw the leaflet at my feet. Couldn't handle documented historical fact, I guess. Oh well. These was the ONLY overt negative reactions I got out of all 500 leaflets, if you can believe it! I was joined by Duane Darr of the Silicon Valley NRA Members' Council, who handed out fully 200 copies of the NRA-produced, full-color booklet of historical analysis of the Bill of Rights. Mark from the MC also joined us for a period of time early in the evening, and graciously bought us each a cup of coffee. And later in the evening a fellow from the FreeRepublic.com BBS joined us as well, making good use of his time as he was waiting to get in to see "The Patriot" himself. And what's even more exciting than having distributed between 400-500 leaflets is knowing that on average, each leaflet was shared by two to three people. That's as many as 1500 ordinary people from all walks of life reached with the reality about the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights! I liken it to throwing pebbles in a pond. The act of handing someone a pamphlet is a small one, a tiny pebble. It takes only an instant, and in and of itself doesn't make much of a splash or change anyone's opinion. But as the ideas in the leaflet start that individual on a road to discovery of the truth about the struggle over gun rights and about the deceptions anti-self-defense lobby, and the ripples of that spread out within that person's own mind and out to the other people in their life, the results become far larger than the simple, tiny act of handing someone a leaflet, tossing a pebble into the pond of ideas. We threw hundreds and hundreds of pebbles this evening. Think where that might lead by November 7th! Mel Gibson deserves hearty praise for making this firearms freedom publicity effort possible! -Michael Pelletier. - -- Self Defense: A Basic Human Right - http://www.dd-b.net/RKBA/ - --------------- MESSAGE ca-firearms.v001.n1269.2 --------------- From: Joe Brower Subject: Re: Leafleting at "The Patriot!" Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:47:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200007010729.AAA18867@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <200007010729.AAA18867@lists1.best.com> >Greetings, fellow patriots! > >I just got back from standing out in front of the AMC Mercado 20 theater >in Santa Clara. I was dressed in a colonial gentleman's suit, complete >with tricorner hat, handing out Second Amendment Foundation pamphlets >entitled "The Founding Fathers' Booklet of Gun Quotes." > >It was a ROUSING success! Micheal, You deserve a medal. A hearty "well done!", that's for sure. - - Joe B., who's working the CRPA booth at the Del Mar Fair all day today. Now where did I put my tricorner hat? $;-) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 00 20:09:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Evil Jesse Jackson (fwd) On Jul 3, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is enough to make one ill. Not the message, but the subject of the message. Huck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Neill" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: The Evil Jesse Jackson > Everything is excellent at Rockwell's today. Check it out! > > www.LewRockwell.com > Please Support LewRockwell.com By > Patronizing Our Advertisers > > > > > The Evil Jesse Jackson > > by William L. Anderson > > In the days leading up to the execution of the obviously guilty Gary Graham > in Texas, Jesse Jackson seemed to be everywhere, at least where a television > camera was present. The condemned prisoner, he told the assembled > sympathetic media, was a modern figure of Jesus Christ. Gov. George Bush of > Texas, who could not legally have stopped the > execution even if he had wished to do so, was likened to Pontius Pilate. > > This is not the first time Jackson has used the analogy of characters from > the Bible to make political points. During the presidential election of > 1992, Jackson, who was stumping for Bill Clinton and Al Gore, condemned the > anti-abortion beliefs of Vice President Dan Quayle and compared him to King > Herod. Herod, as St. Matthew wrote in his Gospel, ordered all of the boys > under age two living in and near Bethlehem to be killed in order to keep the > Messiah from occupying Herod's throng. > > Of course, one is bewildered by this comparison. Quayle, after all, > supported the right of unborn children not to be torn apart in their > mothers' wombs or be put to death immediately upon birth (all in the name of > "choice"). Therefore, it seems strange to compare him with someone who did > what Jackson and his supporters believe to be moral: > kill babies. However, no media pundits questioned Jackson's faulty biblical > exegesis, which is not surprising, since few media personalities even read > the Bible. > > Jesse Jackson has made a career of skirting media scrutiny - as well as > investigation from those charged with enforcing the law. Only twice did his > freelance career seem to be even temporarily derailed. The first time was > when he embraced Yassir Arafat in 1979 and compared the plight of modern > Palestinians to the sufferings of Jews during the World War II holocaust. > The second time came in 1984 during Jackson's pathetic campaign to receive > the Democratic Party nomination for president. (The incompetent Walter > Mondale beat him in 1984 and the even more pathetic Michael Dukkakis topped > him in 1988.) > > Before visiting New York City, Jackson on numerous occasions called the > place "Hymietown" in an obvious reference to the Jews who lived there. When > Juan Williams, then of the Washington Post, reported the candidate's open > lack of civility toward Jews, the campaign went into an uproar. (Williams > had even buried Jackson's slurs well into the story, so even then Jackson > was receiving preferential treatment.) At first, Jackson did what most > politicians do when caught with their hands in the cookie jar: he lied. > > Much later, after his supporters had made threats upon Williams's life > (Williams is black and was accused, of course, of "betraying his race"), > Jackson gave a tearful apology to a carefully-picked Jewish audience. Had a > white candidate done the same thing (or done something similar, like > referring to a city dominated by blacks as "niggertown"), his career would > have been over. Jackson is judged by a lower standard, however, and he > survived his moniker as "the moral voice of America." > > The 1984 campaign, however, revealed something else about Jackson. Not only > does he mangle the Holy Scriptures and use racial epithets against minority > groups, he is also quite stingy. According to his 1983 tax returns, Jackson > and his wife earned $115,000. The "moral voice of America" gave a mere $500 > to churches and charities. > > That Jackson was making six figures at a time when about two percent of > Americans made that kind of money makes one wonder how a person who jets > from one television camera to another earns his high pay. An incident in > Chattanooga, Tennessee, in 1988 demonstrated how he does make a living - > and also showed once again his absolutely cynical worldview. > > In 1988, DuPont was make a major expansion at its plant in Chattanooga and > had hired the Daniel Corporation of Greenville, South Carolina, to do its > construction. Daniel, as veterans of the old "Civil Rights Movement" might > recall, had a CEO who spoke out against racism and segregation in the early > 1960s, long before it was popular to do so nearly anywhere in the country. > In fact, Daniel had made a strong - and voluntary - effort to hire blacks > and other minorities outside any mandates from the federal government. > > However, Daniel is also non-union and that enraged the construction unions > in Chattanooga, which still were feeling the pinch after the Tennessee > Valley Authority had stopped major construction projects.The trade unions in > Chattanooga have had a long history of excluding blacks from the skilled > trades. In fact, one could easily argue that the Ku Klux Klan could never > have done the harm to blacks that the unions had done in Chattanooga. > > The Chattanooga unions' racist history did not keep Jackson from being the > featured speaker at a union rally condemning Daniel. Keep in mind that > Daniel had not locked any local workers out of the project. However,Daniel > had specifically said it would not work with the local unions, and that was > enough to make the carpenters and plumbers cheer when Jesse poured it on. > > The Teamsters Union underwrote the entire sordid affair. Jackson had his > money (and a free birthday party thrown for him by the unions) and he was > able to preen on camera before the worshipful local media. > > There was one more thing. The plant manager of the Chattanooga plant at that > time was the only black plant manager in the entire DuPont system. So much > for Jackson championing real accomplishments by blacks. > > Jackson's base organization is called People United to Save Humanity, or > Operation PUSH. The way that PUSH earns much of its income is through > government grants and from extorting money from businesses. I say extortion > because businesses that fail to deliver what Jackson asks from them quickly > find themselves vilified in the press as being racist. It is hard to know > how effective the organization has been at saving humanity, but it is a good > fund raising tool to keep Jackson in a six-figure income. > > About 20 years ago, federal auditors found numerous irregularities in > PUSH's financial statements. To put it mildly, the organization's > bookkeeping was a shambles and millions of dollars had disappeared without > any accounting for them. While no one could directly accuse Jackson of > criminal wrongdoing in the matter, it is clear that had Jerry > Falwell's Liberty University or Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting > Network engaged in such shenanigans, someone would have gone to prison and > the reputations of those men would have been ruined. However, no one at PUSH > was prosecuted and the federal tax monies continue to pour into Jackson's > organization - and Jackson's pocket. > > It is safe to say that someone like Jesse Jackson could not make the kind of > money he makes in a truly free society. Jackson's income is a combination of > speaking fees and payments from PUSH. As we have seen, PUSH is funded and > protected by the federal government. His union speaking fees come from > groups that are protected by government and actively lobby politicians to > limit the freedom of others. Were it not for his clout with the leftist > news media, that protects him at every turn, he would never receive an > invitation to speak at any business gathering. As it is, he receives huge > fees for speaking before business groups, even as he champions socialism and > the welfare/warfare state. > > In short, Jesse Jackson is the product not of a free society or a free > market, but rather of a society that abandoned real freedom long ago. One > could liken Jackson's ubiquitous presence to the canary in the coal mine. > (As long as the canary lived, miners knew there was no threat from deadly > methane gas. However, if the canary died, it was time to > leave.) As long as Jackson thrives, it is a reminder to the rest of us that > the leviathan state is still at work. The canary has long since been dead. > > > July 3, 2000 > > William L. Anderson, Ph.D., is assistant > professor of economics at > North Greenville College in Tigerville, South > Carolina. He is an adjunct > scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. > > > Back to LewRockwell.com Home Page [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 00 20:06:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Patriot (fwd) I just got through seeing this, and I'll not only see it again, I'll get the video when it comes out. On Jul 3, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This was posted to a private list. Other than removing the poster and list address information and superfluous blank lines, the message is in tact from the original source. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- "The Patriot" : Rolling Thunder Saturday I planned on getting all of my shopping done by 11 PM and go see the Patriot by Mel Gibson. After watching his Braveheart a dozen times I knew this was a must. Well, it did not work that way. I had so much to do I missed the 10 AM, 12 noon, 2 PM, 3 PM, showings at the same theater- not to mention all of the other ones in town. At the same theater I had 3 more chances that evening- 5 PM, 6 PM and 8 PM. After 6 PM you had to pay more so we hurried and barely made it to the 5 PM showing. We shopped all day outside of the theater area at other stores, occasionally passing by to see the crowd. The parking lot was jammed packed and all day some militia group of about 30 people stood out front dressed just like the people in the movie - the soldier uniforms of the Revolutionary war. They must have rotated a hundred people through those uniforms to stand out in that heat all day. I asked "Why are you doing this ?". They said "We heard some ultra-liberal theaters are trying to either boycott it or downplay it's showing or just not advertise it. " We talked a few minutes more about the anti-Patriotism and anti-Bible trend and how now our own government seems to have taken the place of the Red Coats. Then I went in, grabbed my goodies and ran to room 4-A. We sat right in the middle. I anticipated witnessing only a few people there for this and a great movie and great cause going down the drain. I had this attitude by my experience seeing only a handful of serious people in the "Patriot Movement" and other Traditional causes. I have heard great short-wave radio shows - within the Christian and Patriot Movement - just fold up due to lack of support. It has been very depressing to watch my Constitutional Rights get chewed up and spit out within the past 12 years - under Republicans and Democrats. It has been as depressing as being a Vietnam Era veteran and coming back to a country and family that not only do not care but deliberately side up with the tyrannical "Red Coat" mentality of the government - corporation - NWO complex. I took a deep breath sunk down in my chair to hide from any FBI agent taking pictures and gorged my face with a big bag of popcorn . The "points" of the Federal Project Meggiddo were for all cops to watch anybody that still believed in the Bible and the U.S. Constitution and put them under surveillance. I already have a bad name with these modern day "Red Coats" so I did not want them to ruin my movie - even if I was the only guy in there. An ATF agent shaking- me- down near the end of the movie kept running through my mind because I just knew that 'we -the- few' were in for it . I never thought I would see the day when I would have to think like this in the U.S.A. - whether real or just my reactionary paranoia at it's best. The lights went out and I poked my head up to see where that agent was around me almost turning my wife's Coke over on her lap. A stern smack from her on my head - as usual - and I was back down in my "drag-racer" position in the seat. In just that one second in a quick turn I saw an entire audience around me that very quietly came in. The theater was packed ! I could not believe my eyes, I had to jump up and stand and do a fast turn too see it again before my mind said, "Yes it is true!" This time she grabbed her Coke. I stood and counted the empty seats - none. I turned and sat. The advertisements were over and the movie started out slow with that real down home peaceful country scenery and atmosphere. As it went along the pace became more intense I notice that my wife was starting to tremble and uncontrollably shake. The ATF (I mean the Red Coats) burned the Church down with the whole congregation in it - just like at Waco ! I watch people more than the average person. I saw women crying and men on the edges of their theater seats as if ready to jump into the screen with their muskets. The cannons roared - a constant rolling thunder and the theater shook with a vibration that made everyone tremble from a subconscious fear. The realism of this production was the most unusual thing about it. An audience used to space - spectaculars, super science-fiction dressed with the best special effects in all previous movies had to sit and watch something different. For once they sat there awed by the reality of war and the way this nation was born and the way this nation has survived: God, Guns and Guts. The shaking was almost like a spiritual awakening and the roar of the cannons were like a distant storm coming to you from over the horizon. The Colonial battlefield skirmishes were spectacular - it was as if it was almost 3D. The acting, the plot, the truth, the reality kept you mad or crying. You could feel the audiences emotions move and drift just like the smoke on the battlefield. It was a real story/s that had you twisting in your seat like the best of science-fiction novels. It was 3 hrs. and I wanted 3 hrs. more - so I'll have to go see this again and again ! After the show was over I observed the facial expressions and looked into their eyes as they left and I remained seated. Some looked like combat-zone marines with the "thousand yard stare ! Others left quietly and very, very seriously with thoughts they would only share with their best friends. It was as if for some of them a lot of things just seemed to add up and make sense within those 3hrs. -- what had to be done was in their eyes - they were awakened. We remembered that we were the number one nation in Banking, Farming, Industry, Commerce and "FREEDOM" ! Now we have almost lost it all ! We remembered ! What happened ? What happened to 1970 when you could leave your home without even locking your doors ? What happened to driving around in a city all night and you were not arrested for being out too late ? What happened when there was no fear and a person could hitch-hike across this country in 2 days ! What happened to the generations of school children that left Dad's gun at home and did not dare touch it even when they were at home ? What happened to neighbors visiting neighbors and helping neighbors ? What happened to Mom and Dad being married forever ? What happened to Freedom of Speech ? What happened to Privacy of the home ? What happened to create this semi-Police State of "Red Coats" that we live in now ? Who is the next General Cornwallis that thinks his high-tech army will crush everybody to his tyrannical rule ? But for me and others that were raised up in the 50's and 60's my mind went back to the Eagle Scouts Troop 512 at Camp Manatouk, Ohio, 1965. It was a Boy scout Jamboree - thousands of us spent a few weeks in the wilderness in special training. Some of us had older brothers that were in Vietnam-and some came back dead. Every evening we had a muster at sundown when the flag was to be lowered. Just like in the movie - in full dress uniform - we were in the open fields marching to a drummer, the flags were held high, they fired cannons, the earth shook as billows of smoke drifted downwind with rolling thunder. Someone slowly played "Taps". I finally came out of my daydream, the lights came on in the theater, the movie was over but somehow I knew something else was just born ! Now... back on the farm, I am watching the sunset. The farmer next door is burning trash and the smoke is drifting across the pasture and fields sometimes blocking the sun. Had a few calls from some veteran buddies. We're all cleaning our muskets. Maybe it's just a passing reaction ? But out through that smoke, every once and awhile, I can swear I hear those drums beating and the distant sound of rolling thunder. 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Whether it will continue to adhere to his tactics, we do not know. If it does, the redress, honored in tradition, is also revolution. ... "That revolution -- now that the people hold the residual powers of government -- need not be a repetition of 1776. It could be a revolution in the nature of an explosive political regeneration. It depends on how wise the Establishment is. If, with its stockpile of arms, it resolves to suppress the dissenters, America will face, I fear, an awful ordeal." Some might think the above quote is from a contemporary dissident, perhaps active in the modern militia movement, or perhaps from a 1960s student radical, protesting the Establishment and the System, but it is from someone who would be considered by most, including perhaps himself, a leading figure in that Establishment: William O. Douglas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court since 1939, in his book _Points of Rebellion_, written in 1969. The entire book is a litany of justifications for revolution against an oppressive Establishment, inspired by the Declaration of Independence. Although Douglas is a liberal, with the usual ambivalence toward Government, castigating its excesses while imagining how much good it could do if only the right people were in power, all he needed was the understanding that without strict limits on governmental powers, putting better people in power won't avoid the kinds of abuses he protests. That is an insight Jefferson and the Founders had that most of their posterity has failed to inherit. This is not a deep analysis, but it is knowledgeable and heartfelt, revealing both a concern for justice and a critical philosophical blindness. Its importance lies in who wrote it. Whenever modern dissidents are accused of being paranoid wackos by those in denial, they can quote from this book to show that they don't make up this stuff, but get it from people in a position to know what they are talking about. Read it for yourself at http://www.constitution.org/wod/wod_por.htm - --------------------------------------------- Enjoy a 90 day free trial subscription to the E-mail edition of the Vigo Examiner. You will receive up to three of our top stories, editorials or letters each day. Send your trial subscription request to Circulation@Vigo-Examiner.com. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 00 09:15:19 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] VIN -- income tax 'voluntary'? (fwd) On Jul 4, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz IRS fine at asking questions, but not answering them Outfits like the Internal Revenue Service and the United States Dept. of the Treasury routinely insist they're only enforcing the law; they have no choice. Let a victim of their abuses and usurpations haul them into court and demand that they present the very laws and authorizations under which they claim to be operating, however, and suddenly it's a very different story. Suddenly the court is informed that all these demands are "moot " and "frivolous"; that the plaintiff has no "standing" or cause to seek relief; that the answers to all his questions are "self-explanatory." Laws? We don't have to show you no stinking laws. Case in point: the action of Steven M. Beresford, Ph.D., a British subject now residing as a legal alien in the state of Oregon, whose case against the IRS and Dept. of the Treasury is being recorded in real time on the Internet for anyone who wants to watch the way the federal government conducts and explains itself, at http://www.beresford-v-irs.com. Mr. Beresford went to court on Feb. 28 of this year, asserting he is a British citizen who has been a legal resident alien in the U.S. since 1987. He advised the court "Soon after taking residence in the U.S., it came to his (Beresford's) attention that the American income tax system is based upon voluntary compliance. Plaintiff believes that he cannot be legally compelled to obey any law that is voluntary, and that he therefore has no legal obligation to file or pay income taxes." However, "At the beginning of 1996, plaintiff received a letter from defendant requesting payment of overdue income taxes for 1987, 1988, 1989. Plaintiff responded by writing to defendant stating that since the income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, he had voluntarily chosen not to comply. "During the next year or so, plaintiff contacted the IRS offices in Portland and Seattle by telephone and certified mail on numerous occasions asking for an explanation of the term 'voluntary compliance' so that he could determine his legal liability and comply with the law if required to do so. Defendant ignored these requests and issued an involuntary federal tax lien against him ... for the sum of $7,256." Predictably, by 1999, "The sum of $14,609 was subsequently withheld from the sale of plaintiff's home at 701 N. Winchell St., Portland. ... Finally, on 1/3/00 defendant notified plaintiff that his request for a due process hearing had been denied." Where does Dr. Beresford get this "voluntary" nonsense? From the horse's mouth, as it turns out. In his "points and authorities," he cites: "The tax system is based on voluntary compliance" -- Federal Tax Regulations, Section 601.602. "Taxpayers in the United States assess their tax liabilities against themselves and pay them voluntarily. This system of assessment and payment is based on the principle of voluntary compliance" -- Internal Revenue Manual, Section 20:123 (July 15, 1996). "Of course, the Government can collect the tax from a District Court suitor by exercising its power of distraint -- if he does not split his action -- but we cannot believe that compelling resort to this extraordinary measure is either wise or in accord with congressional intent. Our system of taxation is based upon voluntary assessment and payment, not upon distraint" -- U.S. Supreme Court, Flora vs. United States, 362 US 179, 80 S.Ct. 630 (1960). "Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary tax, and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply" -- Testimony of Dwight E. Avis, Head of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the Bureau of Internal Revenue, before the House Ways and Means Committee on Restructuring the IRS (83rd Congress, 1953). This, of course, leads to the obvious question: What does the word "voluntary" actually mean? Here, too, Dr. Beresford appears to have done his research, advising the court: "Neither the Federal Tax Regulations nor the Internal Revenue Code define the term 'voluntary compliance'. Hence plaintiff relies on the definitions of 'voluntary' given in Corpus Juris Secundum (C.J.S. 92: 1029, 1030, 1031): "The word 'voluntary', which connotes an agreement, implies willingness, volition, and intent. It suggests a freedom of choice and refers to the doing of something which a person is free to do or not to do, as he so decides. "Although for legal purposes the word 'voluntary' is considered to be so simple and in such general use that it need not be defined, it has been defined variously as meaning acting by choice, acting of one's self, without compulsion, or without being influenced by another; acting with willingness; done by design or intention; purposed; intended; done of his or its own accord; done of or due to one's own accord or free choice; produced by an act of choice; proceeding from the will or from one's own choice or full consent. " 'Voluntary' is further defined as meaning free; willing; not accidental; spontaneous; proceeding from the free and unrestrained will of the person; proceeding from the spontaneous operation of the party's own mind, free from influence of any extraneous disturbing cause; of one's own will without being moved, influenced, or impelled by others; unconstrained by external interference, influence, or force; unimpelled by another's influence; not compelled, prompted, persuaded, or suggested by another; acting without constraint by extraneous force; without compulsion. ..." Dr. Beresford then requests of the IRS and Dept. of the Treasury certain documents, which one would think they would have no trouble producing ... if in fact they are acting according to law and properly delegated powers, as they claim. Yet, instead of answering substantively this most serious question, U.S. attorney Kristine Olson of Portland, Ore. and U.S. Dept. of Justice Tax Division Trial Attorney Jian H. Grant, of Washington, D.C. -- acting almost as though they have something to hide -- instead ask the court "to dismiss the Complaint for lack of subject matter jurisdiction and failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted." (Here's a hint, Kristine; Jian -- you could give the guy his money back.) Then in early June, the government mouthpieces got even more clever, sending a Motion to Stay Discovery (which gets them out of answering any of Dr. Beresford's troubling questions, you understand) to the judge via overnight delivery, while the copy they were required to send to Dr. Beresford lingered in the snail mail. "Just like before," Beresford writes to his Internet audience, "since the motion was unopposed, Judge King granted it, meaning that all discovery is halted until the judge rules on the Motion to Dismiss. This is absolutely scurrilous. ... These IRS attorneys are despicable. They are resorting to one piece of trickery after another to avoid answering the questions I have posed them. These are sleazy people determined to evade the truth," whose "trickery shows how desperate they are. My Request for Admissions has evidently touched a raw nerve." Among the documents Dr. Beresford has demanded? -- Copies of any and all documents that establish the Internal Revenue Service as an agency of the United States Government other than in the District of Columbia, insular possessions of the United States, and maritime jurisdiction of the United States; -- Copies of any and all documents that authorize the Internal Revenue Service "to seize property in the State of Oregon other than under authority of 26 U.S.C. No. 7302 & No. 7327 and 26 CFR No. 403. (Do not include authority authorized by 26 U.S.C. No. 7701(a)(12)(B) and other authority relating exclusively to the District of Columbia and/or insular possessions of the United States)"; ... -- Copies of any and all laws requiring an individual to sign a federal income tax return; ... -- Copies of any and all delegation orders from the Secretary authorizing the federal tax lien that was filed against plaintiff during the years material to this case; -- Copies of any and all delegation orders from the Secretary authorizing the notice of levy that was issued against plaintiff during the years material to this case; -- Copies of any and all court orders authorizing the federal tax lien that was filed against plaintiff during the years material to this case ... What's the matter Kristine; Jian? Missing a few documents? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Review-Journal. 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