From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #369 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 369 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 00 17:28:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Extremists in America (fwd) On Jul 21, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: David L. Williams To: KL7DW Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Extremists in America July 21, 2000 Real extremists may have foot in FBI door by Sam Francis Just because no federal buildings have been blown up in the last five years doesn't mean that extremists aren't still out there. A recent issue of the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin carried an article on how to recognize them. It's too bad the Bulletin isn't on your coffee table, because, according to the article, you're probably an extremist yourself. The article, "Vehicle Stops Involving Extremist Group Members," by James Kobolt, tells us it's important to be able to tell who's an extremist because when the cops pull over a vehicle in a routine traffic stop, it may well be packing extremists and the extremists may be packing lead. "Sadly, most officers can recall a traffic stop in their state that involved a member of an extremist group and ended in a surprise fight for survival," the article avows, offering no support whatsoever for that statement. In any case, the way to recognize an extremist is fairly easy. First, we're told, "extremists' vehicles may sport bumper stickers with antigovernment or pro-gun sentiments," among other signs. Well, like what? The article offers two hypothetical examples of "bumper stickers with antigovernment or pro-gun sentiments." These are "Know Your Enemies: They Are Your Leaders," and "Joe McCarthy Was Right." You're probably catching the article's drift by now. The article offers one actual example of an incident involving extremists, when two "members of the neo-Nazi group Aryan Nations and white supremacist religion Christian Identity" fired at Ohio police after being stopped. We're not told what "sentiments," if any, the pair's bumper stickers expressed, but the reason they were pulled over was that their license plates had expired. There are, of course, other ways to detect extremists, especially if they don't believe in drivers' licenses or car registration. In that case "they may present handmade licenses, a copy of the Constitution, a Bible, or political literature." No doubt the nuts who run around with the Constitution or the Bible in their vehicles are the most dangerous of all. You probably need to shoot them on sight. Nevertheless, "Once officers decide a subject may hold extremist beliefs," the article cautions, "they should develop a plan of action." The rest simply regurgitates fairly routine security procedures that most street cops learn at the police academy; the article's clear purpose is not to tell experienced law enforcement officers that kind of stuff but rather to wash their brains a bit. What the article is injecting into the minds of the police officers who read it is that anyone who expresses support for the Second Amendment in a bumper sticker is an "extremist" and a likely killer. Similarly, anyone who expresses "antigovernment" sentiments is also probably an "extremist" and a killer. But what, besides agreeing with Joe McCarthy, constitutes extremist "anti-government" sentiments exactly? "Abolish the IRS"? "Don't Vote. It Only Encourages Them"? "Get US out of the UN"? All those are real bumper stickers that express "antigovernment" sentiments. Do those who display them need to be approached with caution? Nowhere does the article offer any real instance of cops being harmed by people who displayed any kind of bumper sticker, and nowhere are there any other kinds of "extremist" sentiments offered. What about stickers praising Karl Marx, Fidel Castro, Mao Tse-tung, or Malcolm X? Do "extremists" include anti-white racists, Hispanic separatists, adherents of fringe religious cults like Santeria or any number of other oddballs? The article never mentions any of them. The article itself is what's really dangerous, and the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin needs to get itself a new editor who will refuse to publish garbage like this. What's dangerous about it is that it teaches cops unlikely to know any better that anyone who expresses perfectly harmless and entirely legitimate political ideas drawn from the mainstream of American history and political culture is a violent crackpot who needs to be watched and will probably boil over at any moment. There are indeed nutty people out there, and some of them may be dangerous and more or less say so on whatever bumper stickers they paste on whatever vehicles they drive. But there are other nuts as well whose ideas are far more extreme than anyone who's against big government and gun control. Unfortunately, some of them seem to have wormed their way into the confidence of law enforcement in recent years and are busily trying to exploit state power to suppress ideas they don't like. It's nuts like these, who never fire a shot or break a law, who are the really dangerous extremists, because they're often able to gull well-meaning cops and their supervisors into swallowing their propaganda without understanding the hatred of freedom from which it comes or the destruction of freedom to which it's intended to lead. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/samfrancis/sf2000721.shtml ©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 00 17:29:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Underlying assumptions (fwd) On Jul 21, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: "David L. Williams" Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: Underlying assumptions > July 21, 2000 > > Underlying assumptions > Thomas Sowell > > The specific controversial issues we fight about often reflect more general > differences in our underlying assumptions. This was apparent in a letter > from a reader named Herbert Simon, who wrote to the Times-Leader, a > newspaper in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, protesting my position on gun > control. But the implications reach far beyond gun control and may shed > light on many other issues. > > Mr. Simon referred to "the equanimity with which Sowell accepts the number > of gun deaths in the U.S." But it is not up to me to accept or reject any > number of deaths of innocent people. If it were, I would accept none. > > In the real world, however, we have to make our choices among the > alternatives actually available. Tragically, those alternatives do not > include zero deaths of innocent people. > > What are the alternatives when we are talking about guns? Having guns in > millions of homes means that somebody, somewhere, is going to needlessly > kill somebody, perhaps himself. But studies also show that guns in the hands > of law-abiding citizens reduce violence, including murders. In making our > choices, we have to consider which way will fewer innocent people die. > > Sadly, many people who cry out for gun control have never even considered > such facts or weighed the tragic alternatives. Moreover, mindless emotional > reactions are not confined to gun control controversies. All too often, one > particular evil is dealt with in isolation and laws are advocated or passed > to stamp out that particular evil, without the slightest consideration of > what other evils will be made worse in the process. > > If the problem is poverty, then such things as minimum wage laws and rent > control laws are advocated to help the poor. These laws do in fact help > particular poor people -- and hurt many other poor people. But those who are > looking for "solutions" do not even want to think about trade-offs. > > Economists who have studied the actual over-all effects of minimum wage laws > and rent control laws have usually found that the poor are worse off, on net > balance, as a result of such laws. Higher unemployment rates are one of the > bad consequences of minimum wage laws, while housing shortages have followed > rent control as surely as night follows day -- all around the world. > > Most advocates of minimum wage laws and rent control laws do not even ask > the question whether such laws have any down side. And you certainly cannot > get an answer unless you first ask the question. The same is true of gun > control and many other issues. > > Like so many gun control advocates, Mr. Simon cites countries with murder > rates much lower than that of the United States -- and then takes a flying > leap to the conclusion that gun control laws account for the difference. But > you could have picked different countries and reached the opposite > conclusion. > > Brazil and Russia have stronger gun control laws than the United States -- > and much higher murder rates. In Statistics 1, they usually point out that > correlation is not causation. In this case, there isn't even correlation. > There are simply arbitrary choices of which countries to use for making > comparisons. > > Unfortunately for Mr. Simon, he included Switzerland among the countries > with low murder rates. But gun ownership is very widespread in Switzerland, > as it is in Israel -- and both countries have very low murder rates. > > The cold facts back up what common sense should have told us: It is people > who choose to kill. Fortunately, guns can also prevent people from killing. > Indeed, the highly publicized shootings in schools and elsewhere, which gun > control advocates exploit repeatedly, all came to an end when armed > policemen arrived on the scene. > > In addition to the underlying assumption that there are solutions, rather > than trade-offs, too many people assume that members of the general public > lack common sense and so must be tightly controlled by some anointed elite > like themselves. It is a very self-flattering vision and therefore one that > the anointed are unlikely to give up. > > In this vision of the anointed, ordinary people cannot be trusted with guns > or cars or even with their own choices of shower heads and toilets -- the > last two now being prescribed by the federal government. Those who think > like this seldom have the facts to back up their sweeping assumptions. Worse > yet, they don't see the need to check the facts. > > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts2000721.shtml > > ©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 00 22:42:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Urgent Action Item: Help Kill the Carnivore! (fwd) On Jul 22, Privacy News ListManager wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- =============================================================== URGENT ACTION ITEM! Congress agrees to hold hearing on Monday in response to public outrage over FBI's e-mail spy scheme =============================================================== =============================================================== You are receiving this alert because you participated in DefendYourPrivacy.com s successful 1999 campaign against the FDIC s proposed Know Your Customer bank spying regulation. If you do not want to receive further updates, please use the unsubscribe directions at the end of this message. =============================================================== * Immediate action required: Help us Kill the Carnivore! On July 14 we issued a press release about an FBI cybersnooping device code-named Carnivore, which can scan millions of e-mails per second. Because Carnivore has unlimited power to spy on almost everyone with an e-mail account, it may be the biggest threat to your digital privacy ever. Almost immediately after the existence of this project was disclosed in a July 11 Wall Street Journal article, public outrage began to mount -- and now Congress has been pressured into holding hearings on Carnivore. To capitalize on Monday's hearing before a House Judiciary Committee panel, we ve launched a campaign to "Kill the Carnivore"! Politicians on Capitol Hill may be planning to mollify the public by starting an "investigation" into the system, but that's not enough: We want to stop the Carnivore in its tracks and kill it -- before it devours your privacy. Please read this e-mail and *IMMEDIATELY* take the action below. Then forward this e-mail to friends, and ask them to do the same. 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But considering that this is the same agency that quietly inserted "roving telephone tap" authority into federal law and illegally turned over confidential personnel files to the Clinton White House, you shouldn't be expected to trust it with your confidential e-mails. But Carnivore is more than a threat to your ordinary e-mail correspondence -- it also gives government bureaucrats the ability to spy on your online banking transactions, because it has the ability to monitor all digital communications. The bottom line is that your privacy won't be protected as long as Carnivore is on the loose. At this point, no legislation to eliminate Carnivore has been proposed. However, with your help we can change that. Keep in mind that we kicked off our campaign to kill the FDIC's "Know Your Customer" bank spy scheme last year before any legislation existed. But once we informed the public about this threat to their financial privacy, they swung into action and demanded an immediate end to the program. Americans flooded Capitol Hill with over 300,000 angry e-mails and phone calls, and within weeks, Know Your Customer was withdrawn. We believe that once Americans learn about Carnivore's outrageous assault on their electronic privacy, they will demand legislation to abolish it as well. That's why we're asking you to join the "Kill the Carnivore" campaign! WHAT TO DO: Call the Congressional switchboard, toll free, at 1-888-449-3511. If that number is busy try 202-225-3121 or 202-224-3121. Then ask to speak to the office of your Congressional representative. The switchboard is open 24 hours, and most House offices have voice mail, so please make the call as soon as you get this message. WHAT TO SAY: (1) Identify yourself and let them know you are a voter in their district. Leave your name, address, complete with ZIP code, and phone number. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 00 21:45:56 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A child safety device that might actually work. (fwd) On Jul 22, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I was poking around on the Johns Hopkins Alumni web site just now, and found an interesting article from the engineering school: http://www.jhu.edu/news_info/news/home00/may00/handgun.html This is a simple mechanical device that uses a semi-auto's own safety to prevent young children (under the age of 7 or so) from accidentally firing the gun. They even seem to recognize that handguns are often used for self defense. The student engineers designed a metal cover that could be fastened atop the barrel of a 9-mm semiautomatic pistol, covering the safety lever and forcing it into the position that prevents the gun from firing. When two buttons are depressed, the cover slides open, exposing the safety switch and allowing the user to put the gun into its "fire" mode. Small children lack the dexterity, finger strength and mental agility to open the sliding door, the students discovered during tests with young children. Yet these children's mothers had no trouble opening the cover, the inventors said. That was important, the students said, because adult gun owners want to be able to arm themselves quickly if they hear a home intruder at night. With minimal practice, Glorioso said, "you could open the cover and flip the safety lever with your eyes closed." Bill - -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 00 08:59:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Sheriff has FEDS under control... (fwd) On Jul 24, Lynn wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Pinch Collars for Big Dogs- BATF, IRS, EPA, FBI These vicious dogs must be controlled. Pay attention to Wyoming, these fellas have the lead. Lynn ************************************************ SHERIFFS PUT FEDS ON CHOKE CHAINS By V.N.S. Edited for Publication by Sierra Times- Posted: 07.24.00 VNS - County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval. "If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or retain them in custody." The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official." The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. Sheriff Mattis stated, "I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law." This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and specifically prohibited to the States. ===== Politically Incorrect T Shirts... Best pro gun news... Silver based currency... News and Opinion... Patriot Mary Kay Lady... America's Voice... [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 00 09:22:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: GunsSaveLives> FW: S & W Commemorative Handguns -- Get 'em all! (fwd) On Jul 24, Paul Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From another list... From: "Leroy Pyle" To: "aPaulRevereNet (E-mail)" CC: "KABACops (E-mail)" Subject: GunsSaveLives> FW: S & W Commemorative Handguns -- Get 'em all! Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:59:49 -0500 This is a guest editorial from the Sierra Times today. It hits the mark too. http://www.sierratimes.com/geddr072400.htm ===================================== Smith & Wesson Announces New Commemorative Handguns by David Roberson - Posted: 07.24.00 Guest Editorial SPRINGFIELD, PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF MASSACHUSETTS - Officials at Smith & Wesson, formerly the nation's largest manufacturer of handguns, announced today plans for a new series of commemorative handguns to be introduced this fall. Officials said the commemorative handguns, part of what the company is calling the Heritage Series, will be specially engraved versions of classic models in the S&W handgun line. The guns will command a premium price, but S&W officials noted that engraved firearms usually are priced much higher than plain guns, and they denied that the new guns are intended mainly to boost plummeting sales for the faltering gun company. "Certainly we've had some tough economic times lately due to customer misunderstanding of our recent pact with the dev--..., I mean, our agreement with the federal government," said S&W spokesman Joseph M. Blow. "But it's ridiculous to suggest that a series of commemorative guns could reverse the sales decline we've experienced since our sellout..., er, I mean, since signing that agreement. "We realize that some misinformed consumers will probably continue their boycott of S&W products, and we accept the Senate's recent decision that will prevent our company from getting preferential treatment in government gun-purchasing contracts," Blow said. "But our agreement with the government was never about improving our position in the market. We betrayed our industry, our customers, and the Constitution for other reasons." Blow said sales of Heritage Series models are expected to be limited, "but that's fine. These special commemorative guns are designed to honor our glorious heritage, and for no other reason." Blow offered these descriptions of the guns in the new S&W Heritage Series: The Judas Iscariot - This version of the Model 36 will feature fine scrollwork engraving and 30 small silver inlays. "If you look at the historical treatment of Jesus' early followers, it's clear that Judas has never really gotten the same recognition as the other disciples," Blow said. "It's unfortunate that because he made one decision that was misrepresented by extremists among the Apostles, Judas has been denied the honor he deserves. We think this beautiful commemorative will help correct that error." The Benedict Arnold - This gun, a version of the Model 629, will be decorated in a patriotic motif including both the 13-star Betsy Ross flag and the British Union Jack. "It symbolizes General Arnold's tough decision to go over from one side to the other," Blow explained. "In a world in which acting from political expedience has somehow gotten a bad name, we thought it was time to recognize that not everyone possesses the courage to act from principle." The Neville Chamberlain - This gun, a special non-firing version of the Model 10, will be heavily decorated with palm-leaf engraving and the motto "Peace in our time," a slogan popularized by former British Prime Minister Chamberlain. "Not every political leader can be a tyrant," Blow explained, "but many of them are proud advocates of the cause of appeasing tyrants. With the Chamberlain model, we give those political leaders their due." Blow noted that the Chamberlain model recognizes S&W's British heritage - the gunmaker is owned by a British firm - since it honors a British politician. Also, he said, because the Chamberlain model is not a functioning firearm, it can actually be owned by subjects of the British police state. The Vidkun Quisling - This gun, the only semiautomatic handgun in the series, will be based on the Model 639. It will be liberally engraved in a Norwegian snowflake motif, with the gun's back embellished with a gold inlaid dagger. "The word 'traitor' is thrown around so easily sometimes, without taking the time to understand the complicated circumstances in which it is sometimes advantageous, I mean necessary, to become a traitor," Blow said. "We hope this new model will encourage people to think twice before using that word so casually. After all, if more people didn't have morals or personal convictions, they might become traitors, too." Blow said that S&W officials will monitor sales of the Heritage Series before deciding whether to proceed with a second limited-edition series under consideration by the firm. This second group of guns has tentatively been named the Presidential Service Series, Blow said. "But we don't envision it as a group of commemoratives honoring American presidents who have served our country," Blow said. "We intend for this new series to honor special people who have been of particular service to various American presidents." For example, Blow said, the first model in the proposed Presidential Service Series would be The Bill Clinton, and would feature detailed engravings of former White House intern Monica Lewinsky and S&W President Ed Schultz. He declined to say whether the engravings would depict Lewinsky and Schultz actually servicing President Clinton. - ------------------------------------------------------------ David Roberson is a writer living in Lincoln County, North Carolina. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 00 09:42:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Hefner's Playboy Playmates host hypocrite gore fund raiser (fwd) I especially liked the, "caught in the middle by the `fun'd raiser", line, but I have real trouble imagining why even Tipper would want to grab him there after this.....:-) On Jul 26, Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [ ... anything for a buck! ] July 26, 2000 Gore has accepted Hefners' donations By Bill Sammon THE WASHINGTON TIMES Vice President Al Gore, who has expressed strong disapproval of a Democratic fund-raiser at the Playboy Mansion, has accepted thousands of dollars from Playboy founder Hugh Hefner and his daughter, Playboy CEO Christie Hefner. Playboy has given even more money to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), which has Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy of Rhode Island as its chairman. Although Mr. Kennedy last week strongly denounced the fund-raiser and is urging fellow Democrats to stage a boycott, he recently spoke at a DCCC gathering in the home of Miss Hefner who now feels betrayed by the lawmaker. Meanwhile, Rep. Loretta Sanchez, the California Democrat who is hosting the fund-raiser, is relishing the "buzz" created by the controversy. Her phone has been ringing off the hook with Democrats seeking invitations, according to a spokeswoman. The Hefners have given at least $8,500 to Mr. Gore's political campaigns within the last five years. Yet the vice president has made clear he does not consider the Playboy Mansion an appropriate venue for a Democratic fund-raiser. "We're not attending, participating, supporting, condoning or giving our imprimatur in any shape, way or form," said Gore spokesman Chris Lehane. Playboy Vice President Cindy Rakowitz was understanding of the vice president's need to distance himself from the party. "That's Gore being very, very careful and watching his own political tracks," Miss Rakowitz told The Washington Times. "I think that Gore has to come out being squeaky clean." She added: "He wasn't saying really horrible, horrible, horrible things about the organization. He was just saying that he's not sanctioning the event." Playboy officials were less forgiving toward Mr. Kennedy, who last week excoriated Mrs. Sanchez for planning the party at the Playboy Mansion in Los Angeles. The fund-raiser is scheduled for Aug. 15, the night that Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg will address the nearby Democratic National Convention. "This totally contradicts what our party stands for in terms of equal rights, civil rights for all people and respecting the human dignity of every individual," Mr. Kennedy told National Public Radio. "That's why I will not be attending. Nor will I be encouraging any of my colleagues to attend. And in fact, I'll be discouraging them." Bill Farley, Playboy's national director of communications, bristled at the moralism of Mr. Kennedy, whose DCCC has received at least $26,000 from Mr. Hefner over the last four years. Mr. Farley alluded to the legendary womanizing of Mr. Kennedy's father, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, and uncle, President John F. Kennedy. "It's a pretty gratuitous comment on the part of Mr. Kennedy," Mr. Farley said. "We don't want to make any reference to some of the members of his own family and their history." Miss Rakowitz said Mr. Kennedy's comments were particularly "hurtful" to Miss Hefner, who recently opened up her Chicago home to the lawmaker so he could be the featured speaker at a DCCC fund-raiser. "She was very, very, very surprised at what Patrick Kennedy had to say because she hosted him and his party in her home," Miss Rakowitz said. "It's very, very hard for her to understand how all of a sudden he feels the company she runs has a bad public image." Mr. Kennedy's office did not return phone calls. Neither did the vice president's campaign, which has been caught in the middle by the fund-raiser. On one hand, Mr. Gore personally chose Mrs. Sanchez to be vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee and has nurtured her career since she unseated archconservative Robert K. Dornan in 1996. On the other hand, the vice president does not want to be seen cavorting at the Playboy Mansion at the precise moment he is seeking to step out of the shadow of President Clinton, whose own sex scandal resulted in his impeachment. Mr. Gore will not attend the bash, although he has stopped short of calling for its venue to be changed. Mrs. Sanchez, who expressed her anger to Mr. Kennedy during a private encounter on the House floor last week, has shied away from publicly commenting on the fund-raiser, which will benefit Hispanic Unity USA. With 600 invitations going for $5,000 each, the event could raise $3 million. "The only calls we've gotten are from people asking how they can get a ticket," said Sanchez spokeswoman Sarah Anderson. "We have had tons of inquires and request for tickets. It's going to be oversold because we've got more requests for tickets than we're going to be able to provide." Miss Anderson defended the Playboy Mansion as an appropriate venue for a fund-raiser. "We chose a high-profile venue in order to really focus and highlight on the work of Hispanic Unity USA and, as is pretty apparent, there is a lot of buzz about the event," she said. "It's going to be a great success." Not all Hispanic members of Congress are so enthusiastic. Aides to many members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus said their representatives would stay away from the Playboy party. All 15 members of the caucus declined to comment on the flap. But Rep. Henry Bonilla, a Hispanic who is co-chairman of the Republican National Convention and not a member of the exclusively Democratic caucus, is appalled by the Playboy bash. "It's an outrage for a Democrat leader of this stature to hold an event at a place like this," the Texas lawmaker said. "If a Republican were holding a similar event, a lot of us feel that they would have been blown out of the water big time by all the major media in this country. And it's just an incredible double standard that there has not been a lot more of an outcry about the impropriety of this event." Officials from Mrs. Sanchez's office and Playboy insist the fund-raiser will be tamer than the legendary Playboy bashes that often feature an abundance of nudity and extramarital sex. Mr. Hefner, 74, is expected to attend with three of his four girlfriends, all of whom are in their mid-20s. "We will have a certain amount of Playboy Playmates who will be appropriately dressed for the event, who will act as welcomers," said Mr. Farley, referring to the buxom bombshells who appear nude in the magazine's centerfolds. "Guests tend to wander the property and that's one of the areas where Playmates have been quite helpful at these events they know the place and a little bit of its history, so they can take you around." http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-200072623753.htm Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #369 *************************