From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #380 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, August 14 2000 Volume 02 : Number 380 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:18:14 -0500 From: larry ball Subject: Re: [Fratrum] puzzle pieces? (fwd) This story declares itself to be NONSENSE. It is comparable to the old sick joke about how many Jews you can get in a Volkswagon. Answer? 300 --- that is if you use all of the ashtrays. Why is this story comparable to the sick joke? Because you cannot get seventeen people in a Lear Jet under normal circumstances, not even Admirals or Generals, unless of course urned! Oh how much does a General or Admiral urn? Depends on the amount of fat in their posterior!! Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com Bill Vance wrote: > On Aug 10, John Fisher wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > Are they starting to come together? > > http://www.egroups.com/message/RMNEWS_DAILY_EMAILS/2325 > > From: Ru Mills > Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 10:44pm > Subject: HAS THE WAR BEGUN?? > > ===========RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=========== > > >From Rayelan Allan, Publisher, RMNews > > On April 17th, 1995, I received a telephone call from my husband, Gunther > Russbacher. He said, "The war has begun!" > > I asked him what he meant. He said a Learjet had just crashed in Alabama. On > board were 17 Admirals and Generals. They were on their way to arrest Bill > Clinton. > > All the military men were killed. > > That same day, Sherman Skolnick was told the same thing by one of his > sources. > > The same day, Oswald LeWinter talked to a reporter for a major New York > newspaper. LeWinter told the reporter the same thing -- and it was > published -- April 19, 1995. > > No one paid any attention to the story because in the early morning of April > 19, 1995, the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City blew up. > > In other words, the people who had the goods on Clinton and his cabal were > making plans to arrest all of them. All these men were blown out of the sky > and murdered. > > To keep their murders from being investigated -- the Murrah building was > blown up and 168 additional men, women and children were murdered. > > For the last few months, Rumor Mill News has been receiving information that > foreign governments are investigating the United States. Many of these > investigations started due to Echelon. But once the investigations started, > they were propelled by the fuel they discovered. > > These investigators are just about to release their information -- It could > come out any day now -- > > Or will it? > > Today two small planes collided over New Jersey. One of the planes was from > theLakehurst Naval Air Station and it was on the way to Pax River Naval > Facilities. It was carrying 8 or 9 civilian government employees. > > Pax River is important because this is the installation where a new super > secret spy unit was to be based. The new spy unit was to be named DIS > (Defense Intelligence Services). It was supposed to be the umbrella that > oversaw the operations of 26 intelligence services. > > It is not known if DIS was exclusively made up of United States intelligence > services, or if other allies were/are members. Sherman Skolnick has > speculated that only 13 of the intel units are from the United States, and > the other 13 are made up of our allies. > > In light of the information that our allies are conducting the > investigations, this makes sense. > > Is the collision of these two small planes an attempt to stop the > investigators from releasing information that will rock this government to > its core? > > I think today was round one in the war -- > > Other things that are happening -- > > + The Rumor Mill News webpage is being hit hard today by government > agencies. So is Surfing the Apocalypse and other similar webpages. My > computer is barely running -- and I can barely stay on the Web. > > + Sherman Skolnick reported that the Arkansas area code is constantly > busy -- in other words -- no one can call Arkansas. > > + Skolnick also said that many people have called him and reported that > when they send faxes -- the faxes emerge on the other end in a DIFFERENT > FONT. This can happen if they have been intercepted by a computer and then > resent. > > + Skolnick also said that he has been told that the Vince Foster > investigation is heating up again -- He has been told that the investigators > have hard evidence that Foster was murdered. > > + Skolnick reported years ago that Foster was the equivalent to a three > star general in NSA > > + Skolnick also reported that Foster has sold the Israelis national > security secrets. > > http://www.skolnicksreport.com > > + Rumors is Israel state that late today or tomorrow could see a riot at the > Wailing Wall which could escalate into a war which could possibly see damage > done to the sacred Moslem site, the Dome of the Rock. This could be the > prelude to Armageddon. > > + Other sources have told RMNews that the huge metal trusts that RMNews has > written about are just about to be broken. These trusts have had liens and > lines of credit on them. As a result -- the trusts had to stay in tact. > > The money that was received from the liens and lines of credit was put into > the United States stock market. If these liens and lines of credit are paid > off, it means that the money has been taken out of the stock market. If all > the money from all of the lines of credit and liens is pulled out at one > time -- THE MARKET CRASHES > > + The timing of the pullout from the market depends on who is winning the > war. > > + If the Bush supporters are ahead or more in favor -- the pull out will > come right before the election. > > + If the Clinton people can somehow hold on to power -- the crash will come > after the election -- Gore will take the fall for it -- and Senator Joseph > Lieberman will become President Joseph Lieberman. If Hillary wins the senate > seat, she will be appointed Vice President. > > + One source stated that Lieberman is only the "token" being thrown to the > liberals. He stated that there was no way that Gore was going to win the > election, and the Democrats knew it. > > In 1984 Geraldine Ferraro was picked to be the first female chosen as a > candidate for Vice President of the United States. I called a contact on > Capitol Hill, who worked for a powerful Democratic Senator. I was telling > her how wonderful it was that a woman had been picked by Walter Mondale. Her > reply crushed me. > > The high ranking political appointee said, "Ferraro is just a token woman. > We know Mondale can't beat Reagan, and so we decided to do something that > will bring more women in to the Democratic Party." > > The high ranking political appointee used the same word that the RMNews > source used: TOKEN > > Lieberman is the TOKEN JEW just as Ferraro was the TOKEN WOMAN > > Will the American people have time to wake up are realize the games that are > being played? Or will something similar to the Oklahoma City bombing occur > in the next few days or weeks to insure that our attention is focused > elsewhere? > > Remember "Wag the Dog"! I have the horrible feeling that a domestic "Wag the > Dog" is just about to take place. And this domestic "Wag the Dog" will keep > the American pubic from ever finding out what the foreign investigators have > uncovered. > > Developing --- > > Rayelan > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 00 12:14:21 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ARROW PLASTICS STOPS IRS WITHHOLDING (fwd) On Aug 12, Pep Stofen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Company CEO Obeys the Law Arrow Plastics Stops IRS Withholding; No Law Requires it By Pat Shannan of MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE Dick Simkanin, 56, is the 1978 founder of Arrow Custom Plastics in Bedford,= Texas, and for the first Century of his life he labored - as do most Ameri= cans - under the misinformation of the Internal Revenue laws. An Engineerin= g graduate from the University of Akron, he moved to Texas a qu8arter centu= ry ago and soon began his plastics company. As prototype tool builders and = molders. Arrow occupies a 23,000 square foot facility, employs nearly 50 wo= rkers and produces an annual volume of over $4,000,000. Six years ago, Simkanin was enlightened by a friend to the fact that he jus= t might be one of the majority who is not required to submit to the withhol= ding and filing statutes imposed by IRS. Of course, his reaction was the sa= me as that of any of us when we are first confronted with such shocking inf= ormation. After all, surely the government would not deceive us! "I sort of wrote the guy off but had the good fortune to run into him about= a month later, and he gave me a book entitled Secrets of the Federal Reser= ve by Eustace Mullins. I was fascinated, couldn't put it down, and went thr= ough the whole book in about two days." Simkanin began to realize that "the= re just might be something to this." He continued his study and eventually = drifted into the area of the Fed's twin sister of deception the Internal Re= venue Service. Open-minded and thirsty for truth and knowledge, Simkanin began to understa= nd the deception under which he had been living and operating a business. H= e began to see the fact that people cannot be independent, self-governing a= nd free unless those in public office are dependent upon being paid with so= mething the people produce, be it gold, silver, corn, coal or oil. The Cons= titution restricts this to gold and silver coins. But this was stripped awa= y by federal statutes and without a lawful amendment. When we became depend= ent on ink and paper that those in public office print without restraint, t= he government became our masters and we became its slaves. But as Mr. Simkanin so deftly points out, this law, while still on the book= s, can no longer exist in practice. "As far as lawful money goes, I understand all of those arguments and they = are valid, but what choices do we have?" Simkanin asks. "We have been duped= into using a Federal Reserve Note as 'money.' While it is not money at all= . But while the Federal Reserve Note is nothing more than ink on paper, we = have been given no choice but to use this fiat money as money. That's where= my study actually got started. "The income tax laws, as written, are perfectly constitutional. But if you = don't fall into a taxable excise activity, then you don't owe an income tax= . That, in essence, is the core of our stand." Mr. Simkanin agrees with Dav= e Bosset, the Clearwater, Fla., accountant featured on these pages a few mo= nths ago who doesn't want to abolish the IRS at all. "Let's just all obey t= he law as written." Mr. Bosset pointed out to the "We the People Congress" in Washington, D.C.,= last November that unless one receives remuneration from a source listed i= n 26 CFR Sec. 1.861(f)(1), there is no tax liability. These include U.S. ci= tizens working abroad and foreign corporations or individuals earning withi= n the United States. It does not include U.S. citizens living and working w= ithin the 50 states.=20 If there ever was a "Silver Bullet" of truth this is it. State citizens nee= d only obey the law as written. Why=20 protest a law that does not apply to most of us in the first place? Rather = than "Taxation without Representation, this may have evolved into " involun= tary Misrepresentation of non-Taxation through Coercion."=20 Not only did the IRS, once presented with its own law, have to agree with B= osset, but the agency abated all of his taxes for the previous two years an= d began refunding with interest the moneys Mr. Bosset had withheld as their= employer from some 500 people. The law simply did not fit the case, and th= ey knew it. Our colleague Tupper Saussy said, "If an alien doesn't like the income tax = system, let him or her depart." The problem, of course, is that American ci= tizens have been detoured into obeying a law that does not in any way apply= to them. And if that citizen volunteers to be an "alien" and sends money t= o a government agency, why should that agency argue? It has been receiving = most of its remuneration in this manner for years. After preparing its employees in Texas for three months last year with educ= ation on the law - straight out of the IRSW Code - Arrow Plastics stopped a= ll withholding of taxes from its 45 employees on Jan 1. "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot = fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt pr= ior to investigation." - Herbert Spencer, British philosopher. Simkanin says that a few of the people were bothered by the fact that they = now believe they have to take responsibility to pay their own taxes. With a= classic demonstration of Cognitive Dissonance, two employees actually quit= because of the new tax posture Arrow has taken. According to Mr. Simkanin,= the rest have taken a "wait and see" attitude.=20 About half have said they would not file this tear based on the education t= hey have been given by the company. Simkanin has made it plain that he is o= nly giving education and not advice. If his workers determine that they are= liable for the taxes, it is their business and not Arrow's. On January 31, Arrow Custom Plastics filed corrected and amended W-2s, 941s= , 940s and 1099s for the past three years. This involved #2,954,607 in remu= neration. Matching funds totaling $240,000 from company contributions to So= cial Security are awaiting a reply for a refund. The company hired four new people in January. When told that Social Securit= y numbers nor signed w-4 forms would not be required, they were delighted. = Especially after hearing an explanation as to why the information was not n= eeded. Simkanin explained to us as he had to them. "Arrow does not have the authority nor the police power to determine if the= people who work for the business either are or are not responsible for any= tax whatever. Also, Arrow has determined that it is not an agent for any g= overnment agency, including the IRS. In the past, Arrow has acted as an agent, free of charge, for the IRS and e= xtracted funds from every worker and passed it along to the IRS. Arrow has = determined that this could be construed a conspiracy with the IRS to defrau= d the people that work for Arrow and Arrow no longer wished to participate = in such an activity. Arrow Custom Plastics has not capriciously reached this decision with arbit= rary and willful intent. When Dick Simkanin consulted with Attorney Ed Rive= ra of California, he discovered that the attorney had reached the same conc= lusion six years ago himself and attempts daily to explain the law to all w= ho will listen or read the website (www.edrivera.com). Aware that the gover= nment's effort to trick people into thinking the income tax applies to ever= yone who earns a living. Rivera points out that, consequently, most people = think that it is a crime to not "file" an income tax "return." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 00 12:17:36 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ADDENDUM TO VIDEO "LIBERTY IN THE BALANCE" (fwd) On Aug 12, Pep Stofen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ATTORNEY ED RIVERA EXPLAINS "First of all, there is no place in the code (except in the files, which ar= e meaningless), where it states that an individual must file a return. What= it says is that an individual who is liable is required to make a return. = If you look under the IRC section 6696 you will see that the definition of = the term 'return' means. 'Any return of any tax imposed by subtitle.' Those= definitions are limited to sections 6664 and 6665. Both of those sections = refer to the understatement of a taxpayer's liability by the income tax pre= parer, so if a tax liability is under reported they have to return, or give= back the money." "Now in law words mean what they say and say what they mean. So when the la= w says that those who are liable are required to 'make a return,' it means = just that. Here is the question. How can a return of money be sent to the g= overnment unless the income originated from a government source? This is ju= st one little point that establishes his teachings that the income tax is i= mposed on certain sources that derive income from the government. That is b= ecause the Federal Government only has power to impose the income tax on it= s own territories or those who do business with it. When the code is read f= rom that perspective it all starts falling into place." "Where the code is speaking of interest, dividends, foreigners, profit from= services or business, corporations, partnerships, employers, employees, gr= oss income, or any other source of income - the liability of the income tax= stems from the source deriving its funds from the federal government." For years the IRS has used its "Notice of Levy" to terrorize corporations i= nto unlawfully turning over the funds of others. On the flip side of these = notices, IRS prints "Excerpts from the Code" and begins with Section 6331(b= ) very cleverly leaving out 5331(a). With (a) omitted, corporation principa= ls are easily led to believe that they are required to submit to this extor= tion. But with (a) included, it is quite obvious that only government emplo= yees are liable. See for yourself. This is (in part) to what attorney River= a refers in the paragraph above. Sec. 6331(a). Levy and Distraint - ".Levy may be made upon the accrued sala= ry or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United St= ates, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the Uni= ted States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the = employer (as defined in Section 3401[(d]) of such officer, employee, or ele= cted official." Section 3401(d) further defines "Employee" as one who works for the governm= ent only. In order to behave within the law, corporations, which receive Notices of L= evy from the IRS, should respond with the demand for a court order before t= urning over the funds of one of its workers. Otherwise, it could be legally= constructed by a lawyer with the knowledge of Mr. Rivera that the corporat= ion was a participant in a conspiracy with the IRS to defraud the worker. Mr. Simkanin has received hundreds of letters of support from all over the = country the past few months. Ironically, on the morning of our telephonic i= nterview, he read one to us he had just received from a former IRS Agent, A= ccountant, and longtime tax advisor and Certified Financial Planner in Nort= h Carolina. The astute tax advisor, who prefers privacy for now, congratulated Dick Sim= kanin on his lawful stand and called it a wave of honesty that is growing i= n the country. "Thanks to the Lord," and further said,".for years I have at= tempted to cause my clients to do the same thing, but old habits are hard t= o break." He further applauded Mr. Simkanin for the stopping of the "steali= ng" from his workers, parenthetically adding not employees, and offered his= help with those workers who might feel they are doing something wrong and = that the company should continue withholding." " I have some suggestions th= at might be of assistance," he said. The former agent offered an illuminating anecdote on the subject. A couple of years ago I was in need of a secretary at about the same time t= hat I was needing some repairs done to the office building that I used. The= young lady, Pat (about 22 years old), who accepted the secretary's job had= started her first day of work and it was late morning before we got around= to discussing the mechanics of her pay, About the same time, Frank, the ma= n that I had located to do the repairs shows up' Frank is over 70 years old= . Right before Frank shows up I told Pat that I had good news and that she wa= s going to get to keep everything that she earned. She looked at me credulo= usly with a look like "why wouldn't I get to keep everything." She asked wh= at I meant by my statement, and I told her that if she earned a dollar (FRN= ) she was going to get paid a dollar. After a puzzled look and an apparent = thought finding its way through her head, she asked, "what about my taxes?"= I said what about what taxes? She said, "Aren't you going to withhold taxe= s from my pay?" When I told her that I was not going to be responsible for any of her perso= nal expenses, whether it was her "taxes" or her groceries, she said that sh= e could not work for me unless I withheld taxes from her. When I repeated t= he payment plan of paying her all that she earned, she said that she could = not work for me and left. Within the hour Frank shows up. Before we got down to discussing what neede= d to be done, he says to me: "You ain't going to take out taxes from my pay= are you?" When I said that I was not, he said, "Good, because if you was (= sic), I was not going to be able to work for you." "I guess that extra 50 years of living in this Union added a little knowled= ge to Frank," he said. Similarly, in Jackson, Miss., for the past two years, activist James Kelly = has offered via his business card a $5,000 reward to anyone who can produce= the law that makes one liable for the income tax. Kelly reports that he ge= ts many harassing phone calls, accusing him of being insane, but no takers.= "If I am so crazy," says Kelly, "why don't they just prove their point and= collect the $5,000 from me?" A year ago in April, our cover story was that of Joe Banister, the IRS/CID = gun-toting Agent who turned in his badge rather than continue to live a lie= . After being prompted by several layman researchers, Banister discovered t= he law for himself and began to ask questions of his superiors. He asked qu= estions such as 1) How the income tax funds anything at all when credit mon= ey is created at will from the top; 2) Whether or not the 18th Amendment ev= er was properly ratified, and 3) is the filing of forms mandatory or volunt= ary? Rather than answer these simple but sensitive questions, the IRS preferred = to accept his resignation from his $76,000 position. Banister, as a Certifi= ed Public Accountant, has hung a shingle and today advises others on the tr= uth in the law. *Integrity has no need of rules." - Albert Camus (1913-1960) Through the efforts of researchers who attempted to enforce the law in thei= r own cases, this writer discovered the deceiving practice of the IRS nearl= y 20 years ago. Many of these early fighters for truth had their financial = lives destroyed. Some, such as Gordon Kahl, lost their lives to the battle.= A few won. When this reporter inquired of the IRS that someone please defi= ne a dollar, the question was ignored and I was labeled on their files as "= an illegal tax protestor." After getting no answer to my subsequent question of "What is a legal tax p= rotestor? I decided that, indeed, by someone's measurement, I must have bee= n protesting an illegal tax. But if the dispenser's of deceit wish to label= me, I wish they would refer to me as an unlawful money protestor. Give me = lawful money and I will be happy to pay all of the lawful taxes. Taxes enum= erated in legal tender fund only the tyrannical bureaucracy. However, Godly truth will always prevail over satanic lies, and as more cou= rageous Americans step forward, as did Dick Simkanin, the mendacity of the = IRS will be fully exposed to the confused multitudes and overthrown again. Meanwhile, it is reported that 42 million former "taxpayers" have awakened = and dropped out, perhaps realizing several of the basic deceptions. It is i= mpossible to confirm this figure, if attempting to derive answers from the = despot, who will not even define a "dollar," but it is not difficult to und= erstand the law. (The statutes are another thing.) With lawful money defined as a measurement of gold or silver, it is impossi= ble to pay lawful taxes with paper or credit. One can only pretend to pay, = and by so complying, one will be in 12 USC 152, "The term 'lawful money' an= d 'lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold and s= ilver coin of the United States." Plain enough?=20 Article One, Section 10 of the Constitution says, "No State shall make any = thing but gold and silver coin a payment in tender of debts." It has never = been amended. How then, can any merchant calculate even a sales tax based o= n receipts of paper? Not only, as Dick Simkanin uncovered, is he/she acting= as an unpaid agent of government but is also conspiring with the state to = break the law and defraud the purchaser. How can one lawfully pay a sales t= ax to the State in any other substance than that required by law? "Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and small. Thou sha= lt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. But thou shalt have a perfect and just weigh= t, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have; that thy days may be lengthe= ned in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee." -Deut. 13-15. Christian Americans who wish to "obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29) shou= ld reevaluate the "dumbing down" issued from their Sunday morning corporate= pulpits and read their own Bibles for themselves. Render unto Caesar? Caes= ar was the master of slaves! The American people were masters over the Wash= ington servants until the situation was reversed with the corruption of the= money. What about Exodus 23:1? "Thou shall not raise false reports." To file a 104= 0 from each April and report an=20 Income of dollars with no receipts of silver coins is to raise a false repo= rt. The first step in correcting this has been to require the IRS to define= its terms, "income" and "dollar," which it has always avoided doing. The b= etter step may now be to have them clarify 26 CFR, as approached by Dave Bo= sset and now Dick Simkanin. Within this article and throughout this magazine are truths uncovered from = years of research and court appearances. But the reader should not take the= word of anyone in determining what should be done and not done. One should= study the law for himself and draw his/her own conclusions. The way has be= en paved by truth seekers who have gone before us. >From its "Opportunities" page of potential employment positions, Arrow Plas= tics states: "Arrow Custom Plastics is a unique company. It holds to the be= lief that in a free country, people should be free to pursue the opportunit= ies of their choice. The company also believes that its employees should re= ceive 100 percent of their compensation. Therefore, the company does not de= duct anything from employee paychecks. "Since Arrow Custom Plastics is a private domestic company, it is nor requi= red to report any information to the federal government, including the IRS.= Do not take the word of anyone concerning what you can or cannot do. Study = the law for yourself and draw your own conclusions. In other words, underst= and what you are doing before you do it. The Internet is a great source for= all that knowledge, but, remember, there's a lot of misinformation out the= re as well." When a few thousand more companies catch on to the truth, Americans will br= eak out of the government stronghold and the country will become great once= again. It is only a matter of obeying the law. What is so difficult about = asking the question of those who were hired to enforce the law as written? = Oh, ye of little faith! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 00 12:11:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: They see things differently in Marin County]-WC (fwd) On Aug 12, Mike Riddle wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > from a friend (and I know it's been around before): > > TV Listing of Truth > > "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl > kills the first woman she > meets and then teams up with three complete > strangers to kill again." > > - TV listing for the "Wizard of Oz" in the Marin, CA > newspaper. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 00 13:57:41 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Good News from the NWO] (fwd) (fwd) On Aug 13, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:21:48 -0500 From: Daniel New Subject: Good News from the NWO Good News: Four Spiritual Laws of the New World Order 1. The United Nations loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. But 2. You have sinned, and loved your own country. You have thought of your own welfare as an individual. You have been patriotic, placing your nation s sovereignty above the needs of the poorer nations of the world. You have no place in the utopian New World Order. Death or slavery are your options. 3. You can be redeemed through the submission of your individuality and your national sovereignty to the Global Community. Repent of your sins; become an international citizen; vote (it doesn t matter, Socialist Party A, or Socialist Party B, both candidates belong to the New World Order); pay your taxes; send your children to atheistic government brainwashing centers; murder all your children after the first two (preferably while they re still in the womb); attend a church if you must, but only one that is registered with the State as a 501(c)(3) that preaches a gospel of love; and encourage your sons and daughters to enlist in the New World Army, where we shall have "perpetual war for perpetual peace." 4. Criticize, ridicule, ostracize, and if necessary, report to the State any neighbor or family member who believes in the right to bear arms; the right to educate their own children; the sovereignty of their own nation over the Brotherhood of All Humankind; the concept of Biblical morality; who doesn t have a ThinkVox (TV); who support reactionary splinter political parties; who drive large, environmentally destructive vehicles; who complain about paying their fair share in taxes to support the dependent classes; who teach their children to resist peer pressure. You deserve a break today -- a Kofi break! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 00 13:41:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Good News from the NWO] (fwd) On Aug 13, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:21:48 -0500 From: Daniel New To: Joe Sager Subject: Good News from the NWO Good News: Four Spiritual Laws of the New World Order 1. The United Nations loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. But 2. You have sinned, and loved your own country. You have thought of your own welfare as an individual. You have been patriotic, placing your nation s sovereignty above the needs of the poorer nations of the world. You have no place in the utopian New World Order. Death or slavery are your options. 3. You can be redeemed through the submission of your individuality and your national sovereignty to the Global Community. Repent of your sins; become an international citizen; vote (it doesn t matter, Socialist Party A, or Socialist Party B, both candidates belong to the New World Order); pay your taxes; send your children to atheistic government brainwashing centers; murder all your children after the first two (preferably while they re still in the womb); attend a church if you must, but only one that is registered with the State as a 501(c)(3) that preaches a gospel of love; and encourage your sons and daughters to enlist in the New World Army, where we shall have "perpetual war for perpetual peace." 4. Criticize, ridicule, ostracize, and if necessary, report to the State any neighbor or family member who believes in the right to bear arms; the right to educate their own children; the sovereignty of their own nation over the Brotherhood of All Humankind; the concept of Biblical morality; who doesn t have a ThinkVox (TV); who support reactionary splinter political parties; who drive large, environmentally destructive vehicles; who complain about paying their fair share in taxes to support the dependent classes; who teach their children to resist peer pressure. You deserve a break today -- a Kofi break! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 00 20:10:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Legion Post Not Ready to Give Up Arms (fwd) On Aug 14, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kort" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: fwd: Legion Post Not Ready to Give Up Arms Legion Post Not Ready to Give Up Arms August 13, 2000 A.D. Hopkins http://209.61.156.12/2000/08/13/eng-lvrj/eng-lvrj_060216_213_506921189837.asp In 1946 the Army issued rifles to American Legion Post 38 of Overton, and the post has used them ever since to fire volleys of blanks during the funerals of veterans. Harry Perkins, a 77-year-old charter member of Post 38 and World War II Navy man, wonders whether anybody will fire a salute over his own grave. That's because 54 years after issuing the rifles, the Army is demanding an accounting. And it wants those weapons it can find to be stored under conditions so onerous that post officials feel both unable and unwilling to meet them. The discussion is not about assault rifles, but four 1917 five-shot, bolt-action Enfields -- the kind that Sgt. Alvin York used to become a hero. The government dumped so many on the surplus market after World War II that they still retail for only about $350 in good condition. Some of the men who carried the Enfields up to the Overton Cemetery on Wednesday to practice the honor guard ceremony -- one they have conducted over the mortal remains of more than 75 veterans -- were almost as old as those rifles. Members of this honor guard had seen service in the South Pacific, France, Korea and Vietnam, and at least three different military branches. Yet they and their rifles moved in unison through Perkins' commands: "Load." "Aim." On "Fire!" Four blank cartridges exploded as one loud shot. "You'd be surprised how many veterans do want a military funeral, and it's real important to us that they get it," said one of the ceremonial squad. In the Moapa Valley, the chances that funeral will include a traditional rifle salute began to crumble in April with a two-day visit from two government inspectors. They asked to see the rifles held by Post 38, as well as those at a local Veterans of Foreign Wars post, and the World War II tank parked in front of the Overton Community Center. In June, Post 38 Commander John Fetherston, a 74-year-old ex-paratrooper who served in the South Pacific, received a letter saying: "Your post was issued 10 rifles in 1946. The inspection report states that you have four M1917 rifles ... please inform this office as to what happened to the remaining rifles issued in 1946." Fetherston said, "We're real upset with their demands. ... They just gave us the rifles and walked off, and 54 years later come back and want a detailed accounting. "We don't deny there were 10 rifles; because we don't know. Nearly all the guys who were running the post in those days are dead, and commanders have changed repeatedly, so I don't see how they expect anyone to know. I sent them a letter asking for the serial numbers and the exact address those rifles were sent. And as far as I am concerned, if they can't show us what rifles there were, none are missing." Perkins' recollection is that the government may have asked the post to store its rifles in a central vault back in '46. "But we told them that there wasn't a vault within 75 miles of Overton, and I don't believe they sent any further instructions. We don't have a post building, so the rifles were stored in private homes, and come deer season I guess some of them probably went deer hunting." Nowadays the veterans' rifles are stored in safes in private homes, but the April letter warned, "Please be advised that storing government issued weapons in a private residence is unauthorized. ... The enclosed rifle package contains a checklist of the current requirements and proper documents for you to complete the retention of these weapons." Some of the conditions the army demanded Post 38 meet: - --Rifles must be stored in arms room of a National Guard Armory, U.S. Army Reserve Center, military installation or local law enforcement agency; or, in a clubhouse with metal doors, hardened steel bars or specified equivalents over the windows, and either a burglar alarm or security patrol. (Post 38 has always met in private homes and has no clubhouse, much less a fortified one.) - --Provide photos of the locked cabinet or gun rack where rifles are kept. - --Provide exterior photos of the building. - --Provide a map to the storage facility for the convenience of inspectors. - --Maintain a weapons control register in which members must sign weapons in and out for every ceremony. - --Every year, provide a photo that must "clearly show that the weapons have the required blank adapter fixed to the end of the barrel." (Blanks will not cycle the actions of modern semiautomatic and automatic rifles, and a special blank adapter is required to do so. After the Review-Journal pointed out that Enfields are manually operated, an Army spokesman said that demand won't be enforced.) - --Verify compliance with the Lautenberg Amendment, which in turn requires the state police to perform a background check and certify there is no record that the person held responsible for the rifles (Fetherston thinks this means him, as post commander) has ever been convicted of domestic violence. Thereafter, Fetherston must make sure that no Post 38 rifle is controlled, even temporarily for ceremonial use with blanks, by anyone with a domestic violence record. "They said we can store them in a bank vault, but the local bank says they don't want to fool with it," said Fetherston. "And we didn't even ask at the police substation because we decided we're not going for the rest of it. I'm not going to ask the state police to do any background checks on me. They can do one on me if they want to, but I'm not going to invite them into my life. And how could I certify that some member doesn't have a domestic violence conviction 20 years ago without doing a background check on every one?" Although nobody in Overton had yet suggested any desire to give up the rifles, the Army's first letter included detailed instructions about how to mail them back to a government arsenal. And nobody plans to do that, either; if the Army wants the rifles, they'll have to send somebody to get them. John Hudrlik, a 55-year-old Navy veteran and finance officer of American Legion Post 75 in Logandale, thinks those instructions mean that the Army's main intention is to get rifles away from veterans' groups. "They must think old veterans are the most dangerous people in America," he said with a laugh. "Because they've already shown themselves willing to take up arms against an unreasonable government." Ronald Morton, a spokesman for the Army's "Donation Program," said via e-mail Friday that despite the program's name, ceremonial rifles have always remained government property. "Accountability always was a factor, however, not fully enforced," he wrote. From 1996 to 1998 it was discovered much of the equipment had disappeared, and enforcement has been beefed up. "Inspections are currently taking place nationally for ALL organizations in possession of army conditionally donated equipment," he wrote, but didn't respond when asked what kind of organizations are involved. Clark Schmutz, American Legion adjutant for Nevada, said other veterans posts in Utah and Northern Nevada have had similar contacts from the Army, and others expect them. "About 98 percent of the posts have no problem adhering to the law and providing the updated paperwork," wrote Morton. Meanwhile, Post 38 is weighing its options. Members might buy rifles on the open market. The members could then keep their rifles wherever they like. Bill Pickett, 69, an Army veteran of the Korean War, had another suggestion. "We might hold a mock funeral ceremony where we throw simulated spears over the casket." Of course, he remarks, the Army would doubtless require the spears to have blunted ends -- the Stone Age equivalent of blank adapters. - -- Kort E Patterson http://www.overalltech.net/ http://www.hevanet.com/kort/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #380 *************************