From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #381 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, August 18 2000 Volume 02 : Number 381 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 00 15:39:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: The gun grabbers are at it again (fwd) On Aug 15, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Perhaps there is more to this attempt than they care to admit? I suggest we forward this data to anyone who likes to own their choice of firearms. Once again our leaders have chosen to ignore the intent of the Bill of Rights! Huck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "spiker" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: The gun grabbers are at it again > Call your Congresscritter at one of the following toll-free numbers and > tell him/her/it, that you will vote against them in the coming election if > they vote for these unConstitutional bills. > > There has not been a single person in the USA who has been harmed by 50 > caliber sniper weapons. > They are only used in competitive shooting matches. > > US Congressional Switchboard Toll-free Numbers > 1-888-449-3511 > 1-800-241-7109 > 1-877-778-9001 > 1-800-648-3516 > 1-877-762-8762 > 1-800-972-3524 > 1-800-722-7494 > 1-800-456-1414 > 1-800-505-0145 > > > > Military Sniper Weapon Regulation Act of 1999 (Introduced in the House) > > HR 2127 > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.2127: > > 106th CONGRESS > > 1st Session > > H. R. 2127 > > To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to regulate certain 50 caliber > sniper weapons in the same manner as machine guns and other firearms. > > IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > > June 10, 1999 > > Mr. BLAGOJEVICH (for himself, Mr. WAXMAN, and Ms. NORTON) introduced the > following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means > > > > A BILL > > To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to regulate certain 50 caliber > sniper weapons in the same manner as machine guns and other firearms. > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the > United States of America in Congress assembled, > > SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > > This Act may be cited as the `Military Sniper Weapon Regulation Act > of 1999'. > > SEC. 2. FINDINGS. > > The Congress finds that-- > > (1) certain firearms originally designed and built for use as > long-range 50 caliber military sniper weapons are increasingly sold in the > domestic civilian > market; > > (2) the intended use of these long-range firearms, and an > increasing number of models derived directly from them, is the taking of > human life and the > destruction of materiel, including armored vehicles and such > components of the national critical infrastructure as radars and microwave > transmission > devices; > > (3) these firearms are neither designed nor used in any > significant number for legitimate sporting or hunting purposes and are > clearly distinguishable from > rifles intended for sporting and hunting use; > > (4) extraordinarily destructive ammunition for these weapons, > including armor-piercing and armor-piercing incendiary ammunition, is > freely sold in > interstate commerce; and > > (5) the virtually unrestricted availability of these firearms > and ammunition, given the uses intended in their design and manufacture, > present a serious and > substantial threat to the national security. > > SEC. 3. COVERAGE OF 50 CALIBER SNIPER WEAPONS UNDER NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT. > > (a) IN GENERAL- Subsection (a) of section 5845 of the Internal > Revenue Code of 1986 (defining firearm) is amended by striking `(6) a > machine gun; (7) > any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States > Code); and (8) a destructive device.' and inserting `(6) a 50 caliber > sniper weapon; (7) a > machine gun; (8) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, > United States Code); and (9) a destructive device.' > > (b) 50 CALIBER SNIPER WEAPON- > > (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5845 of such Code is amended by > redesignating subsections (d) through (m) as subsections (e) through (n), > respectively, > and by inserting after subsection (c) the following new subsection: > > `(d) 50 CALIBER SNIPER WEAPON- The term `50 caliber sniper weapon' > means a rifle capable of firing a center-fire cartridge in 50 caliber, .50 BMG > caliber, any other variant of 50 caliber, or any metric equivalent of > such calibers.' > > (2) MODIFICATION TO DEFINITION OF RIFLE- Subsection (c) of > section 5845 of such Code is amended by inserting `or from a bipod or other > support' after `shoulder'. > > (c) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall take > effect on the date of the enactment of this Act. > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////// > > > S 1775 > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:S.1775: > > 106th CONGRESS > > 1st Session > > S. 1775 > > To amend section 490 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to modify the > matters taken into account in assessing the cooperation of foreign > countries with the > counterdrug efforts of the United States, and for other purposes. > > IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES > > October 25, 1999 > > Mr. GRASSLEY (for himself and Mr. HELMS) introduced the following bill; > which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations > > > > A BILL > > To amend section 490 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to modify the > matters taken into account in assessing the cooperation of foreign > countries with the > counterdrug efforts of the United States, and for other purposes. > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the > United States of America in Congress assembled, > > SECTION 1. ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR ASSESSMENT OF COOPERATION OF > FOREIGN COUNTRIES WITH > UNITED STATES COUNTERDRUG EFFORTS. > > (a) PURPOSES- The purposes of this section are as follows: > > (1) To promote the full application of the Anti-Drug Strategy > established by the Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission of the > Organization > of American States, during its twentieth regular session in > Buenos Aires, Argentina, in October 1996, signed in Montevideo, Uruguay, in > December > 1996, and adopted by the Organization of American States General > Assembly during its twenty-seventh regular session in Lima, Peru, in June 1997. > > (2) To strengthen confidence, dialogue, and hemispheric > cooperation with the United States in order to confront, with greater > efficiency and efficacy, > the diverse aspects of the world drug problem. > > (3) To enhance cooperation and coordination between the member > states of the Organization of American States and states in other regions, > the United > Nations, and other international entities. > > (b) ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR CERTIFICATION- Section 490(b)(2) of > the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2291j(b)(2)) is > amended-- > > (1) in subparagraph (B), by striking `and' at the end; > > (2) in subparagraph (C), by striking the period at the end and > inserting `; and'; and > > (3) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph: > > `(D) met the goals and objectives, to the extent > applicable, of the Multilateral Evaluation Mechanism of the Organization of > American States, > including the extent of any progress on the specific > performance indicators identified under the Mechanism, the transparency, > impartiality, and > equality of information provided in furtherance of the > goals and objectives, and the full and timely compliance of the country > with mutually > established rules and procedures of general application > under the Mechanism.'. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 00 17:18:12 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Millennium Assembly protest (fwd) On Aug 15, J.B. Stone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI: Subject: [Fwd: Millennium Assembly protest] The following should be sent as far and wide as possible for reasons that will be clear as you read the release. As most of you know, I do not spam or instigate a spam very often, but this is exciting and important. Please do your thing and lets spark a national protest of the horrors promising to come down the road dressed in UN blue. Sincerely, Don H. Millennium Assembly sparks national protest >From The Idaho Observer Pro-American groups all over the nation are pooling their resources to coordinate three days of protest over the gathering of a Millennium Assembly September 6-10, 2000, at UN headquarters in New York City. The assembly is expected to be the largest ever gathering of world leaders under one roof. Leaders from all 188 UN member nations are expected to attend. On the agenda for this historic event is the adoption of a revised version of the UN Charter--the Charter for Global Democracy--which calls for the massive restructuring and strengthening of UN authority worldwide. Millennium Assembly organizers have also announced that the UN will unveil plans intended to expedite the implementation of one-world governance. Among the items the assembly intends to address is the creation of a global IRS that would tax email communications and international money transfers and place a worldwide tax on energy products. The tax revenue will be used to fund World Trade Organization control of international commerce through World Bank influence over the global economy. Former Soviet dictator-turned-environmentalist Mikhail Gorbechev of the Green Cross Family is scheduled to open the Peoples Millennium Assembly September 4 at the New York Hilton. The Peoples Millennium Assembly is scheduled to last until September 10 and will be used as a forum to convince people to appreciate a world bank, participate in a world economy and espouse a world religion. Assembly participants will also be told that it is in the best interests of the world s peoples that a standing UN army be empowered to enforce international law and that people who violate international law should be prosecuted in the UN International Criminal Court. The Idaho Observer, The American Media Association, The American Policy Center, The Restoring America Committee and Detroit talk show host Tom Wayne are just a few of the pro-American entities that are coordinating a massive, nationwide protest of the UN agenda for global governance and U.S. involvement in UN activities. Schedule of protest events: September 6: National protests will begin all over the nation at high noon local time in front of district offices for members of the U.S. Congress. The purpose of these rallies will be to peacefully demand congressional support for Rep. Ron Paul s (R-Texas) American Sovereignty Restoration Act, HR 1146, which, if passed, would effectively cease all American participation in UN activities and remove all U.S. funding from the global socialist organization. Wayne is organizing demonstrations scheduled to take place in front of the UN building in New York City beginning September 6. September 7: There will be a national call-in to the Washington, D.C. capitol switchboard. This will also begin at high noon local time. The purpose of this call-in will be to let everybody on Capitol Hill know that Americans are opposed to trading national sovereignty for global governance. At this time, the toll-free number for the Senate is: 1-800-962-3524; the toll-free number for the House is: 1-800-972- 3524. In the event that those numbers are changed, Capitol Hill can be reached at: 202-224-3121. September 8: Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Center plans to hold a press conference that describes the events of the previous two days and to explain to the American public why, This is not your father s UN. A room on Capitol Hill has already been secured for the press conference. Representatives Paul and Helen Chenoweth-Hage have agreed to speak at the press conference. DeWeese will deliver to Congress 250,000 petitions that support Rep. Paul s HR 1146 in defiance of the UN s globalist intentions. Most Americans are oblivious of the truly despotic intentions of the global elite who support global governance through UN peacekeeping activities. The press conference will concisely and eloquently inform the American public of our collective peril if we continue to support the creation of one-world government through the UN. What to do: * Organize a group to converge on the district office of the U.S. representative and senator closest to you at noon your time on September 6. Make signs. Call your local media outlets and tell them what you intend to do. Peacefully insist that your representative support HR 1146. * Coordinate letters-to-the-editor writing campaigns among your fellow activists over the several days before during and after the Millennium Assembly. Make sure that you hit the same points several times so that the local readers begin to understand the truth about the UN. Contact local talk radio and calmly inform people about the UN and the significance of the Millennium Assembly. * Beginning at noon your time September 7, call your representative and senator in Washington, D.C. by locating him through the capitol switchboard at the numbers given above. * Coordinate your efforts through the contact numbers given below. This is a loosely organized schedule of protest events that will succeed if groups of concerned Americans all over the nation to take it upon themselves to organize their friends and associates to participate in peaceful nationwide protest of the global socialists intentions to destroy American sovereignty. Make no mistake, the purpose of the Millennium Assembly is to usher in the age of global governance that global socialists have been building toward since long before the UN was born. Protesting the UN at the same time the Millennium Assembly is in session may be the greatest opportunity we will ever have to stop the UN in its tracks and gain momentum for getting the U.S. out of the UN. For more information contact the following: Don Harkins, The Idaho Observer/The American Media Association: (208) 255-2307 Tom DeWeese, The American Policy Center: (703) 925-0882 Joe Larson, Committee to Restore the Constitution: (573) 793-3156 Ben Hinkle, Citizens for Liberty: (360) 734-0193 Tom Wayne: (616) 665-7168 If anybody doubts the intentions of the UN and the significance of the Millennium Assembly that is looming less than one month away, contact any of the people listed above they will be happy to point you in the direction of proof that American sovereignty must be traded for the UN s despotic intentions to succeed. You can also call the office of your local U.S. Representative and ask to see a copy of HR 4453. The bill, which is the opposite of Rep. Paul s proposed Sovereignty Restoration Act, has a lot of support in Congress and promises U.S. support and participation in the creation of a standing UN army that will be given the authority to police crisis on U.S. soil. The Idaho Observer PO Box 457 Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869 (208) 255-2307 observer@dmi.net www.proliberty.com/observer [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:34:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul M Watson Subject: TWA800 Witnesses Speak Out (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:12:21 -0400 From: Ian Goddard To: Ian@Goddard.net Subject: TWA800 Witnesses Speak Out TWA FLIGHT 800 crash witnesses fed up with the official investigation formed the "TWA 800 Eyewitness Alliance," which published a full-page ad in the Washington Times today demanding that the government tell the truth about the crash. In bold-face type they proclaim: "WE SAW TWA FLIGHT 800 SHOT DOWN BY MISSILES AND WE WON'T BE SILENCED ANY LONGER ... We, the eyewitnesses know that missiles were involved. We don't know who launched them, but we know that for some reason our government has lied and tried to discredit all of us to keep that question from being addressed. ... The claim that our evidence is worthless is false and we want to know who is behind it. Hundreds of us SAW what happened. The FBI, the CIA and the NTSB must not be allowed to get away with this cover-up by defamation of the eyewitnesses." ======================================================= See Full Ad: http://TWA800.com/images/times-8-15-00.gif ======================================================= IAN: It's funny how the media and assorted defenders of the official investigation tried to lead folks to believe that those of us who were trying to make witness accounts known were misrepresenting the accounts by our suggesting that the witnesses saw or even thought they saw a missile. Yet another defense of officialdom to the scrap heap. It was shortly after the crash, after I'd interviewed several witnesses that I realized there was something here. Each of these people who I contacted based on their names reported in the media was telling me about the same thing, about a rocket that rose from a low elevation fairly close to shore and that flew out to sea, headed south, trailing smoke in its path. That flight path was at 90 degrees to Flight 800's path, so it could not be Flight 800. The rocket ended in a small explosion -- the initial crash event. When I accumulated all witness accounts from which a line- of-sight could be established, I found that the rocket that they observed came from the same area, and the area was not the same as the crash. I then triangulated those accounts http://www.erols.com/igoddard/witness.gif . Even the accounts from which reliable line-of-sight could not be established were looking in the same general area. Not long thereafter retired Navy crash investigator Commander William Donaldson published his own triangulation of many more accounts than I had and his were based on interviews on location. His triangulated close-to-shore launch site is almost the same, one or two miles off my triangulation: http://twa800.com/images/triangulation_update.gif With the release of the NTSB report we discovered that the FBI had also triangulated missile-witness accounts and the FBI had triangulated accounts to virtually the same close-to-shore location both Donaldson and I independently determined: http://www.twa800.com/images/fbi_triangle.gif . These accounts are a human recording of what happened. TWA Flight 800 Eyewitness Databases: http://TWA800.com/witnesscd/witnesscd.htm http://TWA800.com/witnesscd/eyewitnesshighlights.htm http://Flight800.org/eye.html http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm http://users.erols.com/igoddard/witness.htm http://www.multipull.com/eye/default.htm http://www.multipull.com/twacasefile/probabilities.html - ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ Asking the "wrong questions," challenging the Official Story - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 00 17:48:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: DOPE 4 SALE - RITALIN, PAXIL, & DEXEDRINE (fwd) On Aug 16, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [ Special Offer - CHEAP while supply last. ] No more Doping Our Kids..... http://detnews.com/1998/metrox/ritalin/ Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 Get US Out of the United Nations! http://www.jbs.org/un/ BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm I N T E R N E T * B R I G A D E http://www.buchanan.org/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vin Suprynowicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Aug. 18 column -- keeping kids on dope > > > FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED AUG. 18, 2000 > THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz > Pharmaceutical blackmail > Authorities use a heavy hand to keep kids on drugs > > > About that "zero drug tolerance" policy in our schools: Does it really > mean what it says? Or would it come closer to the truth for school > administrators to admit what they really oppose are pushers offering (start > ital)competing(end ital) consciousness-altering substances? > > Do our public schools today constitute a kind of official, tax-supported > dope monopoly which will even threaten to take children away from parents > should they refuse to go along with the mind-numbing nostrums which our > schoolmasters themselves now press on nearly a quarter of our young boys, > the better to keep those valuable but restless butts planted in their > seats? > > The Albany Times Union, in a May 7 copyrighted story, tells what happened > to parents Michael and Jill Carroll of Albany, N.Y., when they tried to > take their son, 7-year-old Kyle, off the Ritalin. > > Kyle Carroll was first prescribed Ritalin last year, after he fell behind > at school. Teachers drew up an Individualized Education Plan, a standard > course of action for children with "special needs." But last fall, when > Kyle started second grade, the Ritalin didn't seem to be doing much good. > Furthermore, the Carrolls grew concerned that Kyle was only sleeping about > five hours a night and eating just one meal a day -- lunch. So they told > school officials they wanted to take Kyle off the Ritalin for two weeks to > see if that helped. > > That's when they got a call, and then a visit, from a Child Protective > Services worker, based on a complaint from Kyle's school guidance > counselor. > > The charge? "Child abuse," in the form of "medical neglect." In plain > English? Expressing doubts about keeping their child on dope. > > As a result, the Times Union reports the Carrolls are now on a statewide > list of alleged child abusers, and find themselves "thrust into an > Orwellian family court battle to clear their name and ensure their child > isn't removed from their home." > > The child remains on the medication, "in part because they fear child > welfare workers will take him away if they don't," the Albany daily > reports. > > Furthermore, the Albany paper found the Carrolls' case is far from > unique, reporting: "Public schools are increasingly accusing parents of > child abuse and neglect if they balk at giving their children medication > such as Ritalin, a stimulant being prescribed to more and more students." > > The American Academy of Pediatrics reports as many as 3.8 million > schoolchildren, mostly boys, have now been diagnosed with the newly-coined > "ADHD" -- attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder -- a psychiatric > "disease" with symptoms to which most of our grandparents would have > responded by simply smiling: "Boys will be boys." Or perhaps by asking, > "Could it be that he finds your school boring? Does it really make sense to > spend three or four years teaching reading, a skill easily mastered in six > weeks if you'd just use phonics?" > > At least a million children now take Ritalin for this "disorder." In two > school districts near Virginia Beach, Va., for instance, a 1999 study by > psychologist Gretchen LeFever found fully 20 percent of white boys in the > fifth grade in the 1995-96 school year were receiving prescription drugs > for ADHD. And even the AAP acknowledged in a recent study that many cases > are misdiagnosed. > > "This thing is so scary," says Patricia Weathers, of Millbrook, a suburb > of Poughkeepsie, N.Y. Officials at the Millbrook school district called > police and child protective services when she took her 9-year-old son, > Michael Mozer, off medications earlier this year. > > Weathers reported her child's prescribed drug cocktail -- including > Ritalin, the anti-depressant Paxil, and Dexedrine (another stimulant, like > Ritalin) caused her boy -- now attending a private school -- to > hallucinate. > > "Absent evidence that the lives of children are at stake when they're not > on Ritalin," USA Today editorialized this week, "no arm of the state should > be ramming the drug treatment down parents' -- and children's -- throats." > > Amen to that. The underlying problem here is the notion that children > belong first to the state -- that they're best "socialized" in state-run > institutions, and that biological parents are allowed to retain custody > only at the discretion of school and "child welfare" officials, who after > all have "professional diplomas," and thus "know best." > > No free country can long operate under such a presumption, with its > inevitable corrosive effect on the family. And this -- at least as much as > the corresponding (start ital)academic(endf ital) failures of the public > schools -- is what drives the large and growing movement for separation of > school and state. (See: www.sepschool.org) > > > Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas > Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom > Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web > site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. > > *** > > > Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com > > "When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, > as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right." -- Eugene V. > Debs (1855-1926) > > "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and > thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series > of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken > > * * * [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 15:22:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Clinton May be Tried (fwd) On Aug 17, Jim Moore wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] As much as I loathe the "man" holding the White House hostage, this is not good news. I submit to you the "caged animal" scenario. I believe that this is just one more reason for Klinton to seek a way to stay in office past his term. Please note the following; 1)Bush is actually GAINING in the poles during the Democratic convention, a time when traditionally the democrats should be (As the Republicans did during theirs.) 2) The Democrats face the prospect of not only the continued lose of congress, but the White House as well. None of them have seen this before, and it is NOT a tolerable condition to them. 3) Ahab is faced with the loss of power, something he has worked his whole life for. Jimmy Carter he is NOT! NO ONE will CARE what he thinks! (Except his Hollywood crowneys.) 4) Ahab is facing jail. A republican Attorney General will not be as kind to him as Janet "Himmler" Reno. There is the real possibility that he will have to trade in his Secret Service guards for some guards of a different sort. Which makes him dangerous. In the next few months don't be surprised by ANYTHING! Look sharp folks! Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jewelrybydesign@cs.com [mailto:Jewelrybydesign@cs.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:41 PM > To: Fratrum@egroups.com > Subject: [Fratrum] Clinton May be Tried > > > Hey all: > > You've probably already seen this, but if not, this comes from > the Associated > Press: > > Blessings, > > Sharon > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Opening the door to criminal charges, > Independent Counsel > Robert Ray has empaneled a new grand jury to hear evidence > against President > Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky scandal, legal sources said Thursday. > > The move follows through on Ray's promise to weigh whether the > president should be indicted after he steps down from office next > January, > the sources told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of > anonymity. > > The grand jury was empaneled on July 11 and prosecutors > identified the > Lewinsky case as the sole purpose of investigation for the panel, > said the > sources, who are outside Ray's office. > > At issue is whether Clinton committed perjury or obstructed justice > when he denied an affair in sworn testimony in the Paula Jones case. > > The judge in the Jones case has already ruled the president gave > intentionally false testimony and fined him for civil contempt of > court. The > disciplinary committee of the Arkansas Supreme Court has also > moved to revoke > Clinton's law license. > > The issue for Ray is whether Clinton's conduct amounted to criminal > conduct. > > Ray also got the go-ahead to continue his investigation > Wednesday from > the three-judge panel that appointed him as Ken Starr's replacement last > year. > > The judges ruled that termination of the office "is not currently > appropriate'' under the independent counsel law, which expired > last year but > still applies to Ray's office under a grandfather clause. > > Keith Ausbrook, senior counsel to Ray, declined comment > about any grand > jury activity, which is kept secret by law. > > But in response to the judges' order, Ausbrook noted that > "we've made > public that the Lewinsky investigation remains open and that the e-mail > investigation remains open.'' > > The e-mail probe focuses on whether the White House > concealed thousands > of electronic messages sought by investigators. > > The White House reacted angrily to the news, which emerged > the day Vice > President Al Gore was to accept the Democratic nomination in Los Angeles. > > "The timing of this leak reeks to high heaven,'' White > House spokesman > Jake Siewert said. > > Ray's office recently closed the books on two other Clinton-era > controversies -- the White House gathering of secret FBI files on > Republicans > and the firings of White House travel office employees. The prosecutor > declined to bring criminal charges in either case. > 17-Aug-00 15:34 EDT [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 22:28:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Baby-Killers Are Mean & Global Governance (fwd) On Aug 17, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@aol.com It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice.=20 _______________________________________________=20 INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY =20=20 Here's a list that looks interesting. Subscribe directions are at the end. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: Geocentre@aol.com =20 Excerpted from DAVE=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2S DIGEST 2000 # 15 =20 August 13, 2000 PRO-ABORTION VIOLENCE IN CANADA AND US =20 WASHINGTON, Aug 10 (LSN.ca) - A new compilation of documentation on pro-abortion violence in Canada, the US and Puerto Rico reveals thousands of cases where pro-abortionists have attacked persons with guns, cars, acid, hypodermic syringes, and baseball bats, while other pro-abortion advocates applauded and supported some of these actions. Human Life International's top researchers assembled Pro-Abortion Violence, which includes over 55 murders committed by pro-abortionists.=20 =20 A sampling of recent incidents of murder by pro-abortionists includes a=20 1993 attack in Huntsville, Alabama where pro-abortion activist Eileen=20 Orstein Janezic murdered 51-year old pro-life activist minister and radio= =20 talk show host Jerry Simon. After shooting Simon through a window of his home, she held police at bay with a pistol for six hours while spoutin= g quotes out of Anton LaVey's "Satanic Bible." The report also smashes the myth painted in the media of the always heroic abortionist who is bent on service to women. It notes that Boston abortionist Kenneth Edelin aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality, and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA).=20=20 =20 Source: LifeSite Daily News (lsn@lifesite.net) ___________________________________________________ =20 "STATE OF THE WORLD FORUM" TO ADVANCE "GLOBAL GOVERNANCE" FOR EVERYONE =20 * International leaders from government, business and civil society will meet in New York for seven days in September to muse about mankind and his future. Founded in 1995 by former Soviet Communist leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the "State of the World Forum" meets regularly to advance a bundle of mostly far left ideas. =20 * The State of the World Forum "was founded with the explicit purpose of gathering together the creative genius of the human family, its elders and innovators, in a search for solutions to the critical challenges facing humanity in the 21st century." Organizers call it "a powerful common evolutionary enterprise for our species." =20 * Three main principles drive the State of the World Forum; "ecological sustainability" as opposed to the "generation of wealth," "global governance" rather than "national sovereignty", and a "compassionate society" as opposed to the "global flow of capital." =20 * What is most striking about the Forum is the long list of international heavyweights who participate. Even conservatives have turned up, such as former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brezinski, and new Mexican President Vincente Fox. Sprinkled with world leaders has been a large number of New Age proponents, including author Marianne Williamson, guru Deepok Chopra, and "mythologist" Jean Houston. =20 * The seven-day meeting beginning in New York on September 4 is intended to coincide with a number of other important conferences attached to the United Nations. The UN will convene a Millennium Summit of up 150 heads of state and the World Peace Summit of religious and spiritual leaders meets just before the Forum begins. =20 * This State of the World Forum will address "Shaping Globalization: Convening the Community of Stakeholders." Forum organizers contend the violent riots that occurred during the last meeting of the World Trade Organization in Seattle last December highlighted "the inadequacies of the current system of global governance." This session of the State of the World Forum is being pitched as a "global town meeting in which the private sector and civil society can come together for substantive dialogue with selected heads of state." Speakers include Earth Council Institute Chairman Maurice Strong, UN Population Fund Executive Director Nafis Sadik, and Haitian President Jean Bertand-Aristide. =20 * The Forum will feature major sessions on business, children, education, sustainable development, globalization, global governance, global security, health, science and spirituality, and social development. While the Forum is viewed as a democratic meeting, it is unlikely that most people will have ever heard the terms "global governance" and "sustainable development." It is also unlikely that most people have ever heard of those from civil society who will represent them at these meetings. At some point it is likely that large new programs and new laws will evolve from the State of the World Forum and other such bodies. _____________________________________________ END OF DIGEST =20 To subscribe send a personal message of introduction to the Editor. To unsubscribe, send a message to the Editor with "unsubscribe" in the Subject area. =20 David J. Tennessen, Editor 3916 N. Oakland Ave. Unit # 321 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211 U.S.A. Phone 414-332-7407 Fax 414-964-6559 E-mail 102375.2017@compuserve.com =20 =20 To subscribe from News From The Centre, write to Geocentre@aol.com and put= =20 "SUBSCRIBE" in the subject.=20 PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO 5 MORE PEOPLE=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #381 *************************