From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #384 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, September 1 2000 Volume 02 : Number 384 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:42:22 -0400 From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: Thanks for nothing, Century Arms (fwd) Here is from the latest Neal Knox report: Last month BATF sent licensed importers a letter advising them of major changes in regulations, issued June 20 as a result of an Executive Order by President Clinton. The regs -- which were issued without public input -- increase import controls as a result of a 1998 international arms trafficking agreement. Possibly related to these regs, Century Arms has posted a notice on its web page advising that they have been informed they will not be able to import several military-look rifles, including parts for M1 Garands. When I called Century for specifics, no one who knew anything would talk. A friend who imports some of the same guns said he has heard nothing about his approved permits, so I don't know what this is all about -- other than the fact that the Clinton-Gore Administration continues to do its best to strangle gun ownership. - --On Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:37 AM +0000 Bill Vance wrote: > On Aug 23, Huck wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lindstedt" <73422.1726@compuserve.com> > To: "Cyber Eagles" ; "Govtwatch" ; > ; > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:27 PM > Subject: [JBirch] Thanks for nothing, Century Arms > > >> Can ANYONE shed more light, on the subject??? >> >> Start at the BOTTOM and READ UP. >> >> Semper fi; >> Dave >> >> >> oh brother! here is Century Arms' response to my question. who are they > kidding? >> what kind of an answer is this? they throw something out to the public > like this >> and then don't have anything to back it up? it sounds like they want to > make some >> quick sales to me. >> >> Thanks for nothing, Century Arms. >> >> Melissa >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Melissa >> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2000 08:47 PM >> Subject: Re: press release? >> >> http://www.centuryarms.com/press_release.htm >> I read your press release. where did you get this information from? the >> ATF site has no information on it. >> >> Sincerely, >> Melissa >> >> ----- Their Response ----- >> From: Support >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:16 AM >> Subject: Re: press release? >> >> Sorry, >> >> Nothing is available to send you. >> ======================================================================= >> http://www.centuryarms.com/fflapp.htm >> >> To: support - Century Arms - support@centuryarms.com >> http://www.centuryarms.com/back.htm >> >> Re: http://www.centuryarms.com/press_release.htm >> >> Your above reply is not satistfactory... >> >> You can RUN, but you cannot hide. >> >> We ask again for your press release to be explained in detail. >> >> KLV >> apfn@apfn.org >> > ========================================================================= > == >> Press Release: >> > From : Century International Arms >> Date : August 18, 2000 >> Phone: 1-800-527-1252 >> >> On the day Al Gore accepted the democratic nomination for President, a > legal >> committee at B.A.T.F. effectively banned an entire class of previously > importable >> firearms. >> >> The following Century semi-auto rifles are affected and will no longer be > available >> once inventory is depleted: SAR-1, SAR-2, SAR-3, MISR, STG-58, Centurion > 58, FAL, >> Cetme and G3. >> >> In addition to the above, Garand rifles and parts for Garand rifles are >> no > longer >> importable. Once we are out of our inventory they will no longer be > available in >> the United States. >> http://www.centuryarms.com/press_release.htm >> > ========================================================================= > === ======== >> After searching the Federal Registry for a hour or so (BATF,firearms, >> firearms importations,banned or prohibited firearms), I came up with >> zelch,nadi,nothing. The BATF site gives the phone number for their F&E >> Imports Division as 202-927-8320.Anybody wanta follow up with them? >> James D. Stratton >> CASPER SA >> TRW >> "Stratton, James (Contr)" -- strattoj@sdcl.lee.army.mil >> > ========================================================================= > === ======= >> At Century International Arms, North America's largest importer/exporter > of surplus >> firearms and accessories, we have catered to the collector, the hunter >> and > shooter >> for over 40 years. >> CENTURY INTERNATIONAL ARMS INC. >> P.O. Box 714 >> St. Albans, VT 05478 >> Phone (800)527-1252 >> Fax (802)527-0470 >> READ AN URGENT PRESS RELEASE >> http://www.centuryarms.com >> >> CENTURY INTERNATIONAL ARMS INC. >> This is a reproduction of our Current Catalog DEPT. NET99 >> Please take your time to browse all our items. >> Curio & Relic = Firearm is purchasable by C&R 03 Class License >> In order to receive FREE SHIPPING (Except Alaska and Hawaii), you must >> mention Department NET99 with your order. >> Order Toll Free: 1-800-527-1252 Fax: 561-998-1993 >> http://www.centuryarms.com/199.htm >> >> Ballester Rigaud / Hafdasa Ballester Molina - >> Century International Arms >> http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/archives/199801/msg01540.html >> >> CENTURY INTERNATIONAL ARMS LTD. >> v. >> THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE >> Appeal No. AP-92-133 >> http://www.citt.gc.ca/appeals/decision/ap92133e/ap92133e.htm >> >> US Army approves revolutionary infantry weapon >> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 >> >> Buy a Car, Get a Gun >> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 >> >> Arms Control and International Security >> http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/index.html >> >> "Arms Control in the 21st Century" >> Remarks by Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright >> on the 35th Anniversary of JFK's Historic Address on CTBT >> http://www.clw.org/pub/clw/coalition/albr0610.htm >> >> Ambassador Thomas R. Pickering >> Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs >> Remarks before the opening session of the Conference Series on > International >> Affairs in the 21st Century >> State Department's Dean Acheson Auditorium, Washington, DC, >> http://www.state.gov/www/policy_remarks/971118_pickering_intlaffs.html >> >> CONGRESS SNEAKS NEW DOMESTIC-TERRORISM BILL THUR >> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 >> >> Proposed Civil Rights Amendments >> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 >> >> Gun Control >> http://www.apfn.org/apfn/gun.htm >> >> Missing U.S. Officer Leaves Israel, Denies Spying >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000822/ts/israel_usa_dc_2.html >> >> The Ministry of Information for Kids! (HUH!) >> http://www.liberzine.com/jerrybrito/000815govkids.htm >> >> It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything >> else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. >> -Bertrand Russell >> >> >> >> The opinions expressed on this forum are those of the authors of the > articles posted. The John Birch Society has no responsibility for anything > that is posted on this forum. The OFFICIAL John Birch Society web page is > a www.jbs.org "Look alike" clone pages, run by others, violate JBS policy. > Visit The New American at www.thenewamerican.com >> >> "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > nothing." >> >> Edmund Burke 1729-1797 >> >> "Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for > those who did not." >> Ben Franklin > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message > ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------ > --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who > hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon > sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment > and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------ > --- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > - > Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting Chad Leigh chad@pengar.com chad@shire.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:16:03 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Thanks for nothing, Century Arms (fwd) At 12:02 PM 08/24/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 00 10:37:48 PST >From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) >Subject: Re: Thanks for nothing, Century Arms (fwd) > >On Aug 23, Huck wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Lindstedt" <73422.1726@compuserve.com> >To: "Cyber Eagles" ; "Govtwatch" ; >; >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:27 PM >Subject: [JBirch] Thanks for nothing, Century Arms > > > > Can ANYONE shed more light, on the subject??? > > > > Start at the BOTTOM and READ UP. > > > > Semper fi; > > Dave Could it be this? http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/td426.pdf Start at the right side of first page. This a new regulation published in the Federal Register on June 20, 2000. If there is a 60 day rule before the regulations take effect, that would get it to about the Ausgust 18th date mentioned. I haven't had time to wade through the governmental gobbletygook to be able to tell if this is what Century Arms is refering too. They would have likely gotten a notice via mail from BATF, sometime between the publication and the effective date. Then again, maybe this isn't it at all. >=========================================================================== > > Press Release: > > >From : Century International Arms > > Date : August 18, 2000 > > Phone: 1-800-527-1252 > > > > On the day Al Gore accepted the democratic nomination for President, a >legal > > committee at B.A.T.F. effectively banned an entire class of previously >importable > > firearms. > > > > The following Century semi-auto rifles are affected and will no longer be >available > > once inventory is depleted: SAR-1, SAR-2, SAR-3, MISR, STG-58, Centurion >58, FAL, > > Cetme and G3. > > > > In addition to the above, Garand rifles and parts for Garand rifles are no >longer > > importable. Once we are out of our inventory they will no longer be >available in > > the United States. > > http://www.centuryarms.com/press_release.htm > > >============================================================================ >======== > > After searching the Federal Registry for a hour or so (BATF,firearms, > > firearms importations,banned or prohibited firearms), I came up with > > zelch,nadi,nothing. The BATF site gives the phone number for their F&E > > Imports Division as 202-927-8320.Anybody wanta follow up with them? > > James D. Stratton > > CASPER SA The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 00 21:12:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 1,000 letters-to-the-editor (fwd) Here's a neat deal that could be useful to us, (hope you don't consider it to be spam), but read on and see what you think. A buddy of mine is starting a new service. Tell him I sent you: "Bill Vance", and he'll give you an extra $5 dollars off, (only $12.50) on the intro deal, and $25.00 ea thereafter. Here's his address and the deal. On Aug 22, SlickEditor@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Rich Martin 201 W Tarrant Rd #1410 Grand Prairie, TX 75050 This is a new project, so I have no idea if it will work as I envision. I have collected over 1,000 addresses of various news media which I use to send out "letters-to-the-editor". (I get about 1% published.) It took a lot of work and I'm not about to part with it for free, but I am willing to let others use it. Send me the letter you want sent via email and I will send it to the entire list. If you want it published, be sure to include your snail mail address and a daytime phone number. This is on the honor system, so I will forward your message on directly. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 00 16:04:14 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: OT: Clinton's New Legacy :-) Off Topic, but..... I can just see the scowls on the faces of Left Liberal Parents when they hear their kids singing this. We might even see this in a book of Mother Goose Rhymes in about another 50-100 years.....:-) In a message dated 8/25/2000 7:16:23 AM Central Daylight Time, sharder619@webtv.net writes: << NEW OSCAR MEYER SONG His baloney has a first name, it's "I did not inhale" His baloney has a second name, it's "I wasn't getting tail" O, he loves to sling it EVERY day The White House people all just saaaaay That Billy Clinton has a way with making bullsh*t sound OK - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:31:23 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Study FBI Has Expanded Officers http://chblue.com/a/ap.washington/20000827/39a99811.5d83.7/ap.asp Since the study shows no increase in arrests or convictions of terrorist and spies, I suspect all the new FBI officers are not for spies or terrorists, those are welcomed into the country with open arms by the current occupant of the big house on Pennsylvania Avenue. Rather I think they are for thee and me. Hopefully the occupant of that big house will soon be moving to The Big House, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Just getting him out and getting the place steam cleaned and fumigated will be will likley have to be good enough. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. --Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 00 18:18:00 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: I Told You It Was Coming......Here It Is.. (fwd) On Aug 29, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To Keep the Peace, Keep Your Piece! Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "RCB" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: [Strait_Truth] Fwd: I Told You It Was Coming......Here It Is.. > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== > > -> SNETNEWS Mailing List > > Please read and pass this on to ALL YOU KNOW!!! > > Subject: HR 4205: They want your M-1 carbine, your P-51, AND your manuals > > > > (Still more treason. Let's disarm the public of ALL surplus military > equipment, even if they can PROVE they purchased it legally! It's > obvious they bad guys are very worried about the ability to "resist". > This is long but worth the read.) > > This is Not a Drill: HR 4205 Could Wreck Your Life > > > Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001, > >has been passed by the House and referred to the Senate. Subsequently the > >Senate voted on Senator John Warner's bill and substituted the language of > >H.R. 4205 and the two bills were referred to the Conference Committee. > >Senate and House staffers are now working the bill for resubmission in its > >final form to their respective bodies of Congress. > > > You won't believe it, unless you see it, so please go to the website and > >read what the bill says. Not only aircraft, but all kinds of militaria, > >including your M-1 carbine, are specifically subject to demilitarization > >(being rendered useless) under this bill. > > It's no matter that you acquired > >these things legitimately; even if you have a gold-plated bill of sale from > >the Pentagon, signed by Colin Powell, you may still have to surrender your > >airplane or memorabilia to the feds for destruction. Even though they said > >you could own it the way they sold it to you, if this passes, you can't. > > > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c106:3:./temp/~c106CNQRtl:e114236: > > > > SEC. 361. AUTHORITY TO ENSURE DEMILITARIZATION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY > >EQUIPMENT FORMERLY OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. > > (a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE DEMILITARIZATION AFTER DISPOSAL- Chapter 153 of > >title 10, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2572 > >the following new section: > > Sec. 2573. Significant military equipment: continued authority to require > >demilitarization after disposal > > `(a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE DEMILITARIZATION- The Secretary of Defense may > >require any person in possession of significant military equipment formerly > >owned by the Department of Defense-- > > `(1) to demilitarize the equipment; > > `(2) to have the equipment demilitarized by a third party; or > > `(3) to return the equipment to the Government for demilitarization. > > `(b) COST AND VALIDATION OF DEMILITARIZATION- When the demilitarization of > >significant military equipment is carried out by the person in possession > >of the equipment pursuant to paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a), the > >person shall be solely responsible for all demilitarization costs, and the > >United States shall have the right to validate that the equipment has been > >demilitarized. > > `(c) RETURN OF EQUIPMENT TO GOVERNMENT- When the Secretary of Defense > >requires the return of significant military equipment for demilitarization > >by the Government, the Secretary shall bear all costs to transport and > >demilitarize the equipment. If the person in possession of the significant > >military equipment obtained the property in the manner authorized by law or > >regulation and the Secretary determines that the cost to demilitarize and > >return the property to the person is prohibitive, the Secretary shall > >reimburse the person for the purchase cost of the property and for the > >reasonable transportation costs incurred by the person to purchase the > >equipment. In case you were wondering what's covered, they tell you: > >http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III > > > > `(f) DEFINITION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY EQUIPMENT- In this section, the > >term `significant military equipment' means-- > > `(1) an article for which special export controls are warranted under the > >Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) because of its capacity > >for substantial military utility or capability, as identified on the United > >States Munitions List maintained under section 121.1 of title 22, Code of > >Federal Regulations; and > > `(2) any other article designated by the Department of Defense as > >requiring demilitarization before its disposal.'. "" to these people? *(a) > >Aircraft, including but not limited to helicopters, non-expansive balloons, > >drones, and lighter-than-air aircraft, which are specifically designed, > >modified, or equipped for military purposes. This includes but is not > >limited ... military training. (See § 121.3.) > > *(b) Military aircraft engines, except reciprocating engines, [and > >spacecraft engines] specifically designed or modified for the aircraft in > >paragraph (a) of this category. > > ...*(e) Inertial navigation systems... > > *(f) Developmental aircraft and components thereof... > > *(g) Ground effect machines (GEMS) specifically designed or modified for > >military use, including but not limited to surface effect machines and > >other air cushion vehicles, and all components, parts, and accessories, > >attachments, and associated equipment specifically designed or modified for > >use with such machines. > > [(l) Non-military aircraft inertial navigation systems, except those > >systems or components that are standard equipment in civil aircraft, > >including spare parts and spare units to be used exclusively for the > >maintenance of inertial navigation equipment incorporated in civil aircraft > >and that are certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as > >being an integral part of such aircraft.] You really need to take a look at > >the full text to understand how sweeping this is. Even manuals are to be > >demilled (forbidden): (k) Technical Data (as defined in § 120.21 of this > >subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) > >directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) > >through (j) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for > >exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or > >production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category > >that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be > >designated SME. Section D allows the Secretary of Defense to determine > >Demil standards based on the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751). > >Section 2573 would be inserted into the already existing International > >Traffic in Arms > > Regulations, Part 121- The United States Munitions List. This would allow > >the International rules to be applied domestically without due process. > >Firearms, aircraft, boats, and military vehicles are all considered > > significant equipment. There are some aircraft exceptions that are > >specifically listed as exempt but it is a small portion of the > >potentially-affected flying Warbird fleet. > > There appears to be a complete disregard for personal property rights > >where this new legislation is concerned. The Secretary, under this new > >section, can order the destruction of any lawfully obtained surplus > >military equipment at his or his appointee's discretion. > > Reducing an operable piece of equipment or flightworthy aircraft to a > >static example is tantamount to destroying it. Its inherent value as an > >operable piece of machinery is reduced to fraction of what it was. The > > lawful owners of this equipment will not be compensated for their loss. > >The forced demilling of legally obtained military firearms is a violation > >of the 2nd Amendment, and flies in the face of Constitutionally-protected > >property and contract rights. Additionally, this post-sale backpedaling by > >the DoD constitutes ex-post-facto lawmaking, specifically forbidden by the > >Constitution. The historical loss is incalculable. > > There is no time limit. ANY listed significant former DoD equipment falls > >under this new regulation. It has been reported that historical operating > >Army vehicles have been ordered to be demilled to the point of cutting > >holes and making them completely inoperable. The museums that were > >entrusted with their care were subsequently billed for the compliance > >team's expenses. > > Section 362 requires a report be filed annually that covers all sales on > >the United States Munitions List. This report shall include the following > >for each sale: > > (a) date of sale > > (b) military dept. conducting the sale > > (c) manner in which sale was conducted > > (d) military items described in subsection (a) that were sold > > (e) purchaser of each item > > (f) stated end use of each item > > > > This provision would allow the Secretary to track items sold and to > >retroactively require demilling after the sale was complete. [This would be > >a great way for the DoD to have its cake and eat it, too: charging people > >for the goods, and then requiring their effective destruction --ed.] > > With the inclusion of Sec.361/362 in the final Defense Authorization Bill, > >the privately held, legally obtained, former DoD equipment is in jeopardy. > >The bill is now in committee and these sections must be removed from the > >final draft. > > > > If these are your people, call them, today! If they are from your state, > >call them! If you have a US Representative or Senator that knows them, call > >your elected public servant! > > > > House conference committee members: Spence, Stump, Hunter, Kasich, > >Bateman, Hansen, Weldon, Hefley, Saxton, Buyer, Fowler, McHugh, Talen, > >Everett, Bartlett, McKeon, J.C.Watts, Thornberry, Hostettler, Skelton, > >Sisisky, Spratt, Ortiz, Pickett, Evans, Taylor, Abercrombie, Meehan, > >Underwood, Allen, Snyder, Maloney(CT), McIntyre, Tauscher, Thompson(CA). > > > > Senate Armed Services Committee members: Warner, Smith (NH), Hollings, > >McCain, Inhofe, Santorum, Snowe, Roberts, Allard, Hutchinson, Sessions, > >Levin, Kennedy, Bingaman, Byrd, Robb, Lieberman, Cleland, Landrieu, Reed. > >"""" --ed] > > Take a look at what's affected: > >http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III > > Take a look at the bill itself: > >http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c106:3:./temp/~c106CNQRtl:e114236: [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 00 04:57:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Tactics That Work - The Liberty Poll (fwd) On Sep 1, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Alan Korwin Subject: Tactics That Work - The Liberty Poll Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:12:17 +0000 To: Alan Korwin > 1. If you think the questions below make sense, print out this letter, > put your own name on it (it's fine with me), and send it to your local > newspaper. These days, many papers place highest respect for letters > received by fax. Email and street mail are also OK. > > 2. The next time you personally see a politician, instead of asking > about corruption, or how they're going to fund project X, memorize and > ask them one of the questions below. > > Alan. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Editor, > > You may not have heard about this yet, > but I support the idea of The Liberty Poll. > > This refreshingly simple set of questions addresses > major problems in the American political scene at once: > > A -- It points out how much is lacking in interviews with candidates; > B -- It raises political awareness in the people who read it; > C -- It would probably improve your coverage if you tried it. > > The Liberty Poll includes in-depth questions in its followup module, > which you might want to avoid. But the front-page set is potent, and I > ask you, as my newspaper of choice, to try avoiding the wedge issues and > glossy funding promises that politicos are eminently more comfortable > with, and run the candidates through The Liberty Poll. > > > POLICY QUESTIONS > POLICY QUESTIONS > > 1 - If you are elected to office what laws will you repeal? > > 2 - Would you support criminal penalties: > a) for politicians who violate their oath of office; > b) for bureaucrats who act outside the powers delegated to them? > > 3 When did you last read the state and federal Constitutions? > > 4 - Should someone who has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend > the Constitution, but who then votes to allocate tax funds to programs > or departments not authorized by that Constitution, be removed from > office? > > 5 - Can you name any current areas of government operations that are > outside the authority delegated to government? > > 6 - Can you name areas where government might serve the public interest, > but where it has no authority to act? If not, is it still accurate to > say we have "government of limited powers"? Does this matter? > > 7 - As a candidate for a state or federal office, can you think of any > ways to improve enforcement of the 10th Amendment (the states and the > people retain powers not delegated to the federal government)? > > > ISSUE QUESTIONS > ISSUE QUESTIONS > > 8 - With regard to jury trials, should judges be required to inform > jurors that they have the power, in the sanctity of the jury room, to > decide whether a law in question is just, or constitutional? Should > schools teach this? > > 9 - With regard to due process, should judges be allowed to prevent > defendants from presenting a defense on constitutional grounds if they > so choose? > > 10 - With regard to the war on some drugs, is the war succeeding? When > could it be declared a success, the expense of waging it cease, and the > tax-based infrastructure surrounding it be decreased or dismantled? If > it can't be declared a success, when might it be declared a failure and > brought to a close? > > 11 - With regard to law enforcement, are you in favor of police being > allowed to use deadly force when absolutely necessary to protect > innocent lives from criminal attack? Do you believe that people, even > people with no training of any kind, have less right to defend > themselves than the authorities do? > > 12 - With regard to the right to keep and bear arms, would you support > gun laws that would specifically disarm religious people, either on the > way to or at religious services? > > 13 - With regard to establishing a federal ID number for every American, > would you vote to enable or block such legislation if it were proposed? > Which part of the Constitution would authorize such controls? > > 14 - With regard to asset forfeiture laws and policies, describe how > these are permissible under the Constitution. If elected, would you do > anything to change current asset forfeiture law? > > 15 - If elected to the office you seek, would you support legislation to > license writers or register printing presses? Would you support > legislation to license publishers to help control "hate speech?" Why > would an honest writer or publisher object to such a program? > > A followup module of The Liberty Poll, with detailed questions to think > about, is posted at bloomfieldpress.com, along with the reason we > basically never see questions like this on the nightly news. > > The Liberty Poll was developed by attorney Michael P. Anthony, > author Alan Korwin and syndicated columnist Vin Suprynowicz. > > Sincerely, > > ____________________ > > > For further information, contact: > Alan Korwin > BLOOMFIELD PRESS > 12629 N. Tatum #440 > Phoenix, AZ 85032 > 602-996-4020 Day phone > 602-494-9320 Evening phone > 602-494-0679 Fax > alan@bloomfieldpress.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #384 *************************