From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #389 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, October 1 2000 Volume 02 : Number 389 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 00 16:11:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Rally v Million Moms (fwd) On Sep 27, stevechr@ptd.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The story in the Morning Call today gives us an opportunity to push the Moms into a completely defensive, reactionary mode. There is not enough time to do another press release to keep the momentum on our side. Please, everyone, take a couple of minutes and write a few sentences or paragraphs about the Moms and send it to Joe McDermott at the Call and to the Editor. This is an unique chance to go on the offensive. We must strike now. Joe McDermott 610-861-3614 joe.mcdermott@mcall.com Editor letters@mcall.com Some of the more obvious points to address in your writing: 1. Helen Ruch, coordinator of First Monday 2000, said her event is not intended to restrict anyone's right to own guns. [check out the 1st Monday and MMM website to see what they think needs to be done - licensing/registration, one-gun-a-month, trigger locks, etc] 2. We were trying to bring the momentum of the Million Mom March [to Bethlehem]. We did not mean the anti-gun message, we meant the [focus on] victims." [bullshit - the MMM message is anti-gun - I suppose it depends on your definition of anti-gun] 3. He contends Ruch's rally is supported by the Million Mom March, which has made gun control a central issue in its platform. [bingo] 4. The YWCA's own Week Without Violence starts Oct. 15 with a toy gun exchange. But YWCA officials said Tuesday they are not advocating gun control during their events. [more bovine excrement - what do they think they're doing by asking kids to turn in their toy guns] 5. "I'm not anti-gun,'' Ruch said. "This rally is anti-violence. I'm not out to ban guns. That's not what I'm about. They think I'm this big ogre trying to take away their guns." [it's not about guns, it's about freedom] 6. The event will aim at cutting gun-related violence, Ruch said Tuesday. [by instituting government mandated licensing & registration, etc - put your faith in government solutions since they have a proven track record of success] Regards, Steve [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 00 11:12:00 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Twas the ATF before christmas and all thru the house (fwd) On Sep 28, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Poetry, on the survivalism newsgroup? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Raven Newsgroups: misc.survivalism Twas a night in late August, and all through the house, Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. The front door was locked, and the deadbolt was thrown, All was safe and secure, in our castle of stone. The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of Pokemon, danced in their heads. And mom in her t-shirt, and me in my flannel, Were watching intently, Discovery channel. When out on the lawn, there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window, I flew like a flash, I fumbled as always, the vinyl-clad sash. The moonlight was faint on my manicured lawn, As I peered through the gloom, and I stifled a yawn. When what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a vanload of men in full military gear. The young ninja-clad driver was lively, and quick. He stepped out on the curb, with his door-bashing stick. With the speed of a cobra, his agents, they came, As he whistled and shouted, and called them by name. Now Chalmers and Davidson, you take the back, And when I give the signal, commence the attack. To the top of the porch men, stay close to the wall, Now BASH away! BASH away! BASH away all! And then they gained entry, a matter of course. The doorframe was splintered and shattered by force. Then up to the housetop, his agents they flew, In the steady advance, of a well-practiced crew. And soon I heard men at the top of the stair, That's when my thoughts turned to the kids sleeping there. So I turned and jumped over my bed in a bound, As the door was crashed in, I heard "down on the ground". He was dressed all in black from his head to his toe. And he wore a broad mask, so his face didn't show. Then he lined up the sights of the gun he possessed, Which was clearly a chore in that black armored vest. His eyes-how they twinkled, that's all I could tell, Of the person who faced me and issued a yell. "To the ground" he repeated, with hasty precision, And the bead he had drawn, didn't leave for decision. So silently raging, to carpet I fell, >From my wife there was issued a terrified yell. While they tore up my bedroom, and left it a wreck, And I scarcely could breathe for the boot on my neck. >From afar in the house I could hear their ransacking, And as meek as a church mouse a "Daddy, what's happening". And with that still small voice, and his cry of alarm, I resolved a great price, should they bring him to harm. It was then that they read from the warrant they held, And I struggled to listen, I broke free and yelled. You idiot bastards, the problem is plain, This is Worthington Terrace, not Worthington Lane. Well he spoke not a word, but reviewed paperwork. Then he looked at his underling, called him a jerk. And then quick as he came, his accomplices rose, "My mistake", were his words "didn't mean to impose". Then he sprang to his van, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew, like the down from a thistle. And I heard him exclaim as the drove out of sight, "Good thing no one was hurt, and to all a good night". ~A Poem by OWK~ ======================================================================= [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 00 14:36:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Answer to the Out of Oil in USA (fwd) On Sep 28, Krioni * wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Answer to the Out of Oil in USA There are a lot of folks who can't understand how we could run out of oil here in the USA. Well, here's the answer: It's simple... Nobody bothered to check the oil. Didn't know we were getting low. And of course the reason for that is geographical. All the oil is in Alaska, Texas and Oklahoma, and all the dipsticks are in Washington, D.C. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 00 12:59:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Humor: Chain Letter For Men (fwd) On Sep 29, geocentre@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > Subject: Chain Letter For Men > > This chain letter was started in hopes of bringing relief to > other tired and discouraged men. > > Unlike most chain letters, this one does not cost anything. Just > send a copy of this letter to five of your friends who are > equally tired and discontented. Then bundle up your wife or > girlfriend and send her to the man whose name appears at the top > of the following list, and add your name to the bottom of the > list. > > When your turn comes, you will receive 15,625 women. One of them > is bound to be better than the one you already have. At the > writing of this letter, a friend of mine had already received 184 > women, of whom 4 were worth keeping. REMEMBER this chain brings > luck. > > One man's pit bull died, and the next day he received a Playboy > swimsuit model. An unmarried Jewish man living with his widowed > mother was able to choose between a Hooters waitress and > Hollywood super model. > > You can be lucky too, but DO NOT BREAK THE CHAIN! One man broke > the chain, and got his own wife back again. > > Let's keep it going, men! Just add your name to the list below! > > > Bill Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > William Jefferson Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > W. J. Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > William Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > W. Jefferson Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > William J. Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington DC > > Slick Willie Clinton > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave > Washington, DC To unsubscribe from News From The Centre, write to Geocentre@aol.com and put "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the subject. (If you are receiving this message but did not request a subscription, you may have been subscribed by a friend who thought you would enjoy it.) PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO 5 MORE PEOPLE To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: vinslib-unsubscribe@eGroups.com Other lists to join: SlickMisc-subscribe@topica.com Waco-Group-subscribe@egroups.com NewsUCanUse-subscribe@egroups.com Upset with the views of your current ISP? Cyber 77 is owned and operated by conservatives who strongly support the 2nd amendment. For more information, go to: http://cyber77.com/ Rich Martin You might have noticed a conservative ISP that's being promoted in the last few issues of SLICK. Last summer, when I was attending a family re-union, I stopped in to see the owner, Al Olson, to find out if he was the real thing. We talked for several hours about the various conservative causes and, of course, computers. I confirmed to my satisfaction that Al is the real thing, and I learned a lot to boot. Take my word for it, he's one of US. Cyber 77 is run by a 2nd Amendment supporter and true conservative. If you've unhappy with the views held by your ISP, check this out. It's obviously in all of our best interest to keep our money within the conservative community when possible. Call it a reverse-boycott. Sort of a Do instead of a Don't. Positive, not negative. For more info Go to : http://cyber77.com/ web hosts, unlimited access, high-speed servers Rich Martin [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 00 01:13:03 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: AT&T ACTION ALERT (Andy Barniskas-Thanks!)! Go Get "em!!!! (fwd) On Sep 29, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 9/29/00 6:18:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GunOwnersNJ writes: << http://www.nraila.org/show.cgi?page=/news/20000928-GeneralInfo-002.shtml Special Item AT&T Pulls NRA Ad One of NRA's informercials was running on a local AT&T Cable station in the St. Louis area. The infomercial prompted a local "Million Mom March" ("MMM") member to protest to AT&T about running the piece. Officials at AT&T Cable professed they bought a package of infomercials from the National Booking Company and were unaware that the NRA ad was part of that package, and that they certainly had no desire to offend "MMM" members. The company immediately pulled the informercial from its St. Louis television stations, and said that they would not buy NRA infomercials in the future. This ludicrous and hostile anti-gun move was basically prompted by the phone call of a single "MMM" member. We urge all NRA members to contact AT&T Broadband (this is the subsidiary that operates the cable TV) en masse at: AT&T Broadband 9197 S. Peoria Englewood, CO 80112 Phone:(720) 875-5500 Fax: (720) 875-4984 www.broadband.att.com AT&T's corporate HQ needs to hear from you as well: AT&T Corporate 32 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10013-2412 Phone: (212) 387-5400 Fax: (212) 387-5695 www.att.com If a call from one "MMM" member can force a change, they certainly need to hear from NRA members. Posted: 2000-09-28 . . . Brought to you by: Ohioans For Concealed Carry, Inc (OFCC) . . (http://www.ofcc.net) - PDF Petition available online - Get it! . . . . gun-talk@ofcc.net = general discussion mailing list . . ccw-talk@ofcc.net = Ohio CCW motivation / discussion mailing list . . . . REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS: http://www.ofcc.net/maillist.html . >> - --part1_25.b64d660.2706b41f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: GunOwnersNJ@aol.com Full-name: GunOwnersNJ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:18:48 EDT Subject: ACTION ALERT (Andy Barniskas-Thanks!)! Go Get "em!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Andy, Thought you might be interested in hearing about this. - ----- Forwarded by Jen Croy/Rumken on 09/29/00 10:33 AM ----- http://www.nraila.org/show.cgi?page=/news/20000928-GeneralInfo-002.shtml Special Item AT&T Pulls NRA Ad One of NRA's informercials was running on a local AT&T Cable station in the St. Louis area. The infomercial prompted a local "Million Mom March" ("MMM") member to protest to AT&T about running the piece. Officials at AT&T Cable professed they bought a package of infomercials from the National Booking Company and were unaware that the NRA ad was part of that package, and that they certainly had no desire to offend "MMM" members. The company immediately pulled the informercial from its St. Louis television stations, and said that they would not buy NRA infomercials in the future. This ludicrous and hostile anti-gun move was basically prompted by the phone call of a single "MMM" member. We urge all NRA members to contact AT&T Broadband (this is the subsidiary that operates the cable TV) en masse at: AT&T Broadband 9197 S. Peoria Englewood, CO 80112 Phone:(720) 875-5500 Fax: (720) 875-4984 www.broadband.att.com AT&T's corporate HQ needs to hear from you as well: AT&T Corporate 32 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10013-2412 Phone: (212) 387-5400 Fax: (212) 387-5695 www.att.com If a call from one "MMM" member can force a change, they certainly need to hear from NRA members. Posted: 2000-09-28 . . . Brought to you by: Ohioans For Concealed Carry, Inc (OFCC) . . (http://www.ofcc.net) - PDF Petition available online - Get it! . . . . gun-talk@ofcc.net = general discussion mailing list . . ccw-talk@ofcc.net = Ohio CCW motivation / discussion mailing list . . . . REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS: http://www.ofcc.net/maillist.html . [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:51:01 -0700 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: AT&T ACTION ALERT (Andy Barniskas-Thanks!)! Go Get "em!!!! (fwd) More "the sky is falling!" nonsense, or going off half-cocked in this case. Before you waste a lot of time, this is AT&T's boilerplate and immediate response. We don't make any friends by using shotguns on a B-B gun target... > Hello, > > Thank you for taking the time to write to us. > > Dear : > > Thank you for your recent comments regarding AT&T Broadbands > distribution of advertising content or infomercials created by the > National Rifle Association (NRA). > > As a matter of policy and fact, AT&T Broadband carries on its broadband > systems advertising and advocacy programming representing the points of > view. > > Contrary to inaccurate assertions publicized by interest groups, AT&T > Broadband didnt make any decision to limit or remove NRA advertising > from our systems. As a carrier of such content, we broadcast > infomercials to our customers under contract to various companies that > package them, purchase advertising time on our systems, and run the > content during the time they have purchased from us. > > The false perception that AT&T chose to bar such advertising grew from > the fact that one of the companies that had purchased advertising time > on our systems chose independently  and without consultation or > collaboration with AT&T Broadband  to eliminate an NRA infomercial from > one of its broadcast segments. > > Thank you again for expressing your thoughts on this issue. > > > Sincerely, > AT&T Broadband > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > AT&T Corporate Executive Escalations > www.att.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Vance" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:13 AM Subject: AT&T ACTION ALERT (Andy Barniskas-Thanks!)! Go Get "em!!!! (fwd) > On Sep 29, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > In a message dated 9/29/00 6:18:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GunOwnersNJ > writes: > > << http://www.nraila.org/show.cgi?page=/news/20000928-GeneralInfo-002.shtml > Special Item > AT&T Pulls NRA Ad > > One of NRA's informercials was running on a local AT&T Cable station in > the > St. Louis area. The infomercial prompted a local "Million Mom March" > ("MMM") > member to protest to AT&T about running the piece. Officials at AT&T Cable > professed they bought a package of infomercials from the National Booking > Company and were unaware that the NRA ad was part of that package, and > that > they certainly had no desire to offend "MMM" members. The company > immediately pulled the informercial from its St. Louis television > stations, > and said that they would not buy NRA infomercials in the future. This > ludicrous and hostile anti-gun move was basically prompted by the phone > call > of a single "MMM" member. > We urge all NRA members to contact AT&T Broadband (this is the subsidiary > that operates the cable TV) en masse at: > > AT&T Broadband > 9197 S. Peoria > Englewood, CO 80112 > Phone:(720) 875-5500 > Fax: (720) 875-4984 > www.broadband.att.com > > AT&T's corporate HQ needs to hear from you as well: > > AT&T Corporate > 32 Avenue of the Americas > New York, NY 10013-2412 > Phone: (212) 387-5400 > Fax: (212) 387-5695 > www.att.com > > If a call from one "MMM" member can force a change, they certainly need to > hear from NRA members. > > Posted: 2000-09-28 > > > . . > . Brought to you by: Ohioans For Concealed Carry, Inc (OFCC) . > . (http://www.ofcc.net) - PDF Petition available online - Get it! > . > . . > . gun-talk@ofcc.net = general discussion mailing list . > . ccw-talk@ofcc.net = Ohio CCW motivation / discussion mailing list . > . . > . REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS: http://www.ofcc.net/maillist.html . > > >> > > > --part1_25.b64d660.2706b41f_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-path: > From: GunOwnersNJ@aol.com > Full-name: GunOwnersNJ > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:18:48 EDT > Subject: ACTION ALERT (Andy Barniskas-Thanks!)! Go Get "em!!!! > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 > > Andy, > Thought you might be interested in hearing about this. > > > ----- Forwarded by Jen Croy/Rumken on 09/29/00 10:33 AM ----- > > http://www.nraila.org/show.cgi?page=/news/20000928-GeneralInfo-002.shtml > Special Item > AT&T Pulls NRA Ad > > One of NRA's informercials was running on a local AT&T Cable station in > the > St. Louis area. The infomercial prompted a local "Million Mom March" > ("MMM") > member to protest to AT&T about running the piece. Officials at AT&T Cable > professed they bought a package of infomercials from the National Booking > Company and were unaware that the NRA ad was part of that package, and > that > they certainly had no desire to offend "MMM" members. The company > immediately pulled the informercial from its St. Louis television > stations, > and said that they would not buy NRA infomercials in the future. This > ludicrous and hostile anti-gun move was basically prompted by the phone > call > of a single "MMM" member. > We urge all NRA members to contact AT&T Broadband (this is the subsidiary > that operates the cable TV) en masse at: > > AT&T Broadband > 9197 S. Peoria > Englewood, CO 80112 > Phone:(720) 875-5500 > Fax: (720) 875-4984 > www.broadband.att.com > > AT&T's corporate HQ needs to hear from you as well: > > AT&T Corporate > 32 Avenue of the Americas > New York, NY 10013-2412 > Phone: (212) 387-5400 > Fax: (212) 387-5695 > www.att.com > > If a call from one "MMM" member can force a change, they certainly need to > hear from NRA members. > > Posted: 2000-09-28 > > > . . > . Brought to you by: Ohioans For Concealed Carry, Inc (OFCC) . > . (http://www.ofcc.net) - PDF Petition available online - Get it! > . > . . > . gun-talk@ofcc.net = general discussion mailing list . > . ccw-talk@ofcc.net = Ohio CCW motivation / discussion mailing list . > . . > . REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS: http://www.ofcc.net/maillist.html . > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------- - -- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------- - -- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:11:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Watson Subject: URGENT - CARA Vote to be within 2 Weeks (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:05:41 -0700 From: ewinglewis To: ewinglewis@email.msn.com Subject: URGENT - CARA Vote to be within 2 Weeks Hi everyone, it is me again!! I sent out email approximately one month ago with information on the horrors of legislation known as CARA. It is getting down to the wire. CARA is being touted as a land conservation piece, when in reality it is legislation designed to strip away private property rights and, ultimately, either dramatically minimize the ability to own property or to eliminate that ability altogether. There are many proponents of the ACT, but you will notice the proponents are licking their chops over the proposed monetary windfall rather than licking their chops over the great merits of the legislation and how the American citizenry will benefit. However you look at it, there can be nothing good that can come from this. However you twist it and turn it, there can only be one outcome to legislation that allocates $450 million per year for 15 years for the sole purpose of purchasing private lands. There will be no lands available in 15 years for the average citizen to purchase. That does not take into consideration the legislation's language as it regards methods of acquisition from existing privately owned property. Here is a link to an article that has multiple links within it to direct you to exact wording of the legislation, analysis of the legislation, proponents, detractors, etc. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosters_news/20000929_xnfos_showdown_l. shtml Please contact your senator and tell him to vote NO to CARA! 1-800-648-3516, 1-800-241-7109 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 00 18:17:19 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Now, I have a better idea why folks leave the Armed Services (fwd) On Sep 30, VeteransForum.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dear Reader, Catch this Stuff, This is going too far ...Is this the type of army that has to defend America if needed? We will LOSE BIG TIME!!!! David O. Director http://VeteransForum.com from ART G.---- This takes the cake! This was passed to me from an observant American.................... It's an Army tradition. When the bosses screw up, somebody has to be hung out to dry. There is always a scapegoat. This time there are two. Two officers whose careers will be ruined and an entire division which will get a black eye. All because the bosses screwed up with an insane peacekeeping hilosophy and because the nation's political leadership is incapable of comprehending : what an army is for. Here's what I'm talking about. On Monday the chief of staff of the Army released a report which talked about supposed "excesses" committed by American peacekeepers in Kosovo. The secretary of defense, former-Republican William Cohen, immediately endorsed the report and called for more training or some such nonsense. It seems that members of the 82nd Airborne Division, deployed in Kosovo, acted like soldiers, and that has scandalized the secretary of defense and every flag officer who feels obligated to kiss his fanny. Specifically, the problem was the 3rd Battalion of the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 82nd Airborne. It is a unit commanded in Kosovo by a lieutenant colonel named Michael Ellerbe. : Colonel Ellerbe and his troopers were sent in to keep the Albanians from : killing the Serbs. His orders were to "identify and neutralize" the bad : guys. Now, in the language of Washington, "identify and neutralize" : apparently means to find the killers and, while displaying cultural and : political sensitivity, offer them a fruit basket and a pamphlet. : But Ellerbe doesn't live in Washington. He lives in Fort Bragg, where : "identify and neutralize" usually involves blowing things up and sending : various bad guys to meet Jesus. : Fortunately for the Albanians, Ellerbe's battalion seems to have : accomplished most of its neutralizing via a stern talking to. : Which is where John Serafini comes in. He was a lieutenant with Alpha Company of the 3rd Battalion. That means he's a young fire eater just a couple of years out of college and in command of a platoon of paratroopers in a combat zone. The secretary of defense wants him court-martialed. : His offense? Well, brace yourself. He, an infantry officer, allegedly "communicated a: threat." Which, if you think about it, seems almost natural for a guy packing an M16. Some people think the entire purpose of an army is to "communicate a threat." Something along the lines of: Don't screw with me or you're going to have a very bad day. Anyway, Lieutenant Serafini and his men had caught a bad guy and they were interrogating him. That's what soldiers do. And it seems that this Albanian guy didn't know that his role in this little drama was to say, "Yes, sir" over and over again. : Apparently GI Joe was asking this ragamuffin where his killer pals were and : no answers were forthcoming. So Serafini remembers that stuff he learned : about psychological warfare and decides to try some of it. So he raises an : unloaded gun to the head of Mr. Tightlip the Albanian and says something to the effect that now would be a really good time to start talking. : And, whoda thunk it, the guy starts blabbing. And the mission got accomplished. Score that a win. Unless you're some pansy at the Pentagon intent on castrating Uncle Sam's Army. If that's you, you see this as "excessive" and "conduct unbecoming an officer." Which is really screwed, because such a culture of military weakness would have rejected virtually every successful combat leader this nation has ever had. Sadly, such a culture of military weakness is assuring that America's future combat leaders will be spineless sycophants incapable of doing anything but covering their backsides. So Lieutenant Serafini and Colonel Ellerbe are left twisting in the wind,hung out to dry, two airborne soldiers * wearing the proudest patch in the Army * torpedoed by the brass for doing their jobs like the warriors their country asked them to be. And there was one other thing that bothered the milquetoasts back at HQ. They made special reference to it in their report and identified it as a sign of what was wrong with the 3rd Battalion and, indeed, all of the 82nd Airborne. It was the motto of Alpha Company: : "Shoot 'em in the face." Apparently, that motto-which may date back to D-Day-doesn't fit in today's politically correct Army. The notion of shooting the enemies of America in the face is too gruesome and insensitive for the lip-biter inchief. Which is pretty weird, if you think about it, because, if we can be honest, isn't killing people kind of what we train soldiers to do? I mean, the Army is not a social welfare agency, it's not really just some giant : college fund. It's a unique bunch of people with a very unique job * using : overwhelming deadly force to assert and protect the interests of the : United States of America. These are people who must stand ready day in and day out to administer and face death on the orders of fat, impotent men in Washington, D.C. It takes a certain kind of mindset to do that. And a motto like "Shoot 'em in the face" helps establish and bolster at mindset. : Besides, it's not all cheerleading. It's good soldiering. When you're : engaging an enemy wearing body armor and a Kevlar helmet, isn't a face : shot a tactical necessity? And shouldn't the chief of staff of the Army know that? And shouldn't America and its civilian leadership realize that being a : soldier is a dirty business? Don't the morons in Washington know that : soldiers aren't cops? Don't they know that whacking these two officers : like this will kill the morale of countless other troopers? : Don't they know that in recent years the pride has gone out of the : military, stolen from it by spineless bureaucrats and the open contempt of a : civilian leadership which actively avoided military service itself? : I'm sorry this happened to Lieutenant Serafini and Colonel Ellerbe, and : I hope somehow they can hear these words. Not just from me, but from all of America. And not just to them, but to all of their comrades. : "Well done. We're proud of you, and grateful." : - by Bob Lonsberry : : : A W Garland Sr : USN Retired [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 00 00:59:18 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #389 *************************