From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #394 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 394 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:36:08 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: A maverick takes on public schooling [MUST READ] (fwd) At 10:09 AM 10/15/2000 -0600, roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) wrote: >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 00 12:44:15 PST > >On Oct 10, Archibald Bard wrote: > >When Cornwallis surrendered on Oct 17, 1781, did he surrender to THE UNITED >STATES? >No, in fact he surrendered 13 times, to the regiment leaders of each of the >states. >In 1783, Benjamin Franklin went to France. >There, a treaty was signed by King George's representative, which came to be >known as The Treaty of Paris. >In it, King George relinquished his sovereignty and passed it to The 13 FREE >AND INDEPENDENT STATES, >THE PEOPLE AND THEIR POSTERITY, FOREVER! >Independent from England, and Independent from each other. >They were then, and are now, Republics, technically NATIONS. >I recently found a copy of the Treaty of Paris on the United States Congress >web page of international treaties. >It is STILL recognized by International Law! >Treaty of Paris >http://www.foxinternet.net/web/amerika/treaty.htm All true, but those self-same states relinquished a small and limited portion of the powers that come with that sovereignty to the newly established Federal government of the United States. In truth, even under the Articles of Confederation they had done so. The areas were then and are now quite limited. They concern mainly external affairs, national defense, and the monetary system. That the federal government has grossly oversteped those limits does not mean that they no longer exist, nor does it mean that the powers have devolved back to the states. I suppose one could argue that a broken contract, is no longer binding, but for myself I would prefer that we Restore Our Constitution, rather than cast it aside, and become 50 independent Nations. We are are Federation or Confederation, modeled more or less on the Swiss Confederacy, which predates our own by some centuries. May that once again become true in fact as well as in law. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. --Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 00 11:30:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Finally, A good presidential debate (fwd) On Oct 16, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] //////// SENT FYI ////// This is very important.///////// >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:18:40 -0600 >From: spiker >Subject: Finally, A good presidential debate > >On Friday, October 20, from 8 - 9:30 p.m. ET, 7 - 8:30 p.m. CT, 6 - &:30 >p.m. MT, 5 - 6:30 p.m. PT, Judicial Watch will host a nationally televised >presidential debate featuring six of the seven qualified presidential >candidates. John Hagelin, Al Gore, Ralph Nader, Pat Buchanan, Harry >Browne, and Howard Phillips have all accepted--only George W. Bush has >declined. > >C-SPAN has committed to televising the debate, and Fox TV and American >Voice Radio are considering coverage. The debate will be moderated by a >highly respected journalist, and the panel will be composed of other >journalists from well-known national newspapers--both liberal and conservative. > >Seven lecterns will be set up on stage--no matter who attends the debate. >Each candidate will give an opening and closing statement and will be >asked questions by the panel in rotating order. >The questions, while not set in advance, will reflect Judicial Watch >concerns about ethics in politics--bribery laws, corporate control of >government, independent counsel issues, etc. >About 600 people have been invited to the debate and to a reception >immediately following, including over 30 Ambassadors and their >seconds-in-command, as well as the entire Washington press corps. > >We urge everyone to watch this debate, which certainly promises to be the >most interesting and representative presidential debate of the season. As >always, please check your local listings for up-to-the-minute scheduling; >TV and radio news stations reserve the right to make last-minute changes. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 00 11:37:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Medical Privacy - National ID (fwd) On Oct 15, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: ALERT: Medical Privacy-National I.D. Date: 10/14/2000 6:21:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: webmaster@ccops.org (CCOPS Alerts) Reply-to: webmaster@ccops.org To: CCOPS-Alerts@topica.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALERT FROM CCOPS: CONCERNED CITIZENS OPPOSED TO POLICE STATES (subscribe and unsubscribe instructions are at end of Alert) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALERT: Medical Privacy-National I.D. October 13, 2000 Dear friend of liberty, Are we going to get what we don't want? We don't want the federal government to assign every person a medical identification number (like the Social Security number) so bureaucrats can track and collect our personal medical information and create a massive national database on us. According to a recent Gallup survey, 91% of Americans agree with us. If 91% of Americans don't want a national I.D. number, how can it happen? This goes back to the infamous 1993 Clinton health care proposal that was so soundly rejected by the American people. What believers in big government could not do in that all-encompassing national health care scheme is instead being done incrementally, one part at a time. The key to government control of your health care choices is this national medical identifier.Without that number, bureaucrats can't track the medications and treatments you take, what lifestyle choices you make, what genetic factors you have inherited, and they can't project your likely lifetime demand on health-care resources. The national medical I.D. that was pronounced dead-on-arrival in 1993 came back to life in 1996 under the guise of the innocent- sounding Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (H.I.P.A.A.)...and Congress fell for it. That's right, H.I.P.A.A. was passed and signed into law, and tucked away in that legislation was the all-important language mandating assignment of a unique, medical identification number to every American. The only reason you haven't already been assigned a medical I.D. number and forced to use it for every health-related activity is that Congress has withheld funding. In June, Representative Ron Paul (a physician with over 30 years in private practice) introduced and had passed an amendment to continue to withhold funding. Unfortunately, that amendment is now in jeopardy in a conference committee. The Liberty Committee stopped the national I.D. card in just such a conference committee in 1999. Now, in the year 2000, we must hold off the implementation of the national medical identifier the same way. Remember, as this Congress winds down, anything is possible. Please go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org to contact your U.S. representative and your two U.S. senators and let them know you are aware and watching what they do. Urge them to keep the Paul amendment in the final version of the Labor-H.H.S.- Education appropriations bill (H.R. 4577). Please do this now so we don't get what we don't want tomorrow. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/ ********** To send a comment or question, please Mailto:staff@thelibertycommittee.org To SUBSCRIBE, please go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org and click Join. * * * Forwarded by the Liberty Crew ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Copyright 2000 CCOPS, Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long as the following contact information is included: CCOPS: Concerned Citizens Opposed to Police States P.O. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 00 13:29:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL (fwd) On Oct 16, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] BROTHERS AND SISTERS, Was reviewing my Document Folder and came across this Poem which has always deeply touched my Heart. Come November we can begin, once again, to have an America the Beautiful! Our current nightmare didn't happen overnight, nor will it end with one election; but we must make a real effort to look deep in our Hearts and make a personal decision as to the nature of the America in which we wish to live and leave to our children. I recognize my view of America is not necessarily that of many, but there are certain fundamentals a civil society abides by, and for which our Founding Fathers laid the framework, and many gave their last ounce. The founding principles of our blessed 'representative Republic' have been torn asunder by forces we have insidiously allowed to toss upside down and, unfortunately, we must suffer the consequences of our lack of vigilance. But there is Hope that all of you will, someday, see the Light of the error of your ways, and with determination and perseverance restore the moral values which had made America the Beautiful. I do so hope you enjoy this Poem, as it's one of my favorites. I might add that the Author is deemed by some to have handed down some controversial judgments, but the content of the Poem, I feel, might just have an appeal to your perception of what we as a Society have wrought. May your Creator give you strength to endure the raging battle within you by the forces of good and evil to enable your final decision on November 7 to be one for which you will have no regrets for you personally, your children, and our Nation. If your one of those who feel bigger government is the answer to our serious problems, then you will most likely will vote for one of those candidates left of center, however, if your one of those with a deep sense of right and wrong, together with personal responsibility for your actions, and don't look to big government to solve your problems, then you will most likely vote for a candidate who is right of center. Your decision will affect you and our Nation for decades to come; so I urge you to be very careful in your deliberation. Without seeming patronizing left of center means continuing on the path to Socialism/Communism and its inherent Slavery, while right of center means taking the path, forgotten or new to others, to constitutional Freedom; we are, indeed, at a major Fork on the Path. The positive response to my past varied Posts not only does my Heart good, but affords me a personal satisfaction that I have helped you in your endeavor to rid your Conscience of the exposed stench of our Society. I love all of you who strive to live according to God's Will. You have my Permission to repost. Archibald Bard Now to the Poem: This poem was written by Judge Roy Moore. Judge Moore was recently sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. After a lengthy appeal process the case has been dismissed and the Ten Commandments remain on display. AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL by Judge Roy Moore America the Beautiful, or so you used to be. Land of the Pilgrims' pride, I'm glad they'll never see Babies piled in dumpsters, Abortion on demand, Oh, sweet land of liberty, your house is built on sand. Our children wander aimlessly, poisoned by cocaine, Choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said abstain. >From sea to shining sea, our Nation turns away >From the teaching of God's love and a need to always pray. So many worldly pastors tell lies about our Rock, Saying God is going broke so they can fleece the flock. We've kept God in our temples, how callous we have grown, When earth is but His footstool and Heaven is His throne. We've voted in a government that's rotting at the core, Appointing Godless Judges who throw reason out the door, Too soft to place a killer in a well deserved tomb, But brave enough to kill a baby before he leaves the womb. You think that God's not angry that our land's a moral slum? How much longer will He wait before His judgment comes? How are we to face our God from Whom we cannot hide? What then is left for us to do, but stem this evil tide? If we who are His children will humbly turn and pray, Seek His holy face and mend our evil way, Then God will hear from Heaven and forgive us of our sins, He'll heal our sickly land and those who live within. But America the Beautiful if you don't, then you will see, A sad but Holy God withdraw His hand from thee. AMEN! "The world is weary of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians." Benjamin Disraeli - 1870 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:54:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Watson Subject: Urgent Letter from Rep. Bob Barr (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03869.8EC57280 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:39:18 -0700 From: J. Horn To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@theriver.com Subject: Urgent Letter from Rep. Bob Barr http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/10/17/162941 - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03869.8EC57280 Content-Type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME="Urgent Letter from Rep. Bob Barr.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME="Urgent Letter from Rep. Bob Barr.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=3D2000/10/17/162941 [DOC#12] BASEURL=3Dhttp://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/newsmax.dart/home;sz=3D468x60;til= e=3D1;ord=3D96.1673357523978 ORIGURL=3Dhttp://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/newsmax.dart/home;sz=3D468x60;til= e=3D1;ord=3D96.1673357523978 [InternetShortcut] URL=3Dhttp://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=3D2000/10/17/162941 Modified=3D00E31626A438C001BC - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03869.8EC57280-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 00 08:39:50 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Statesman Journal Opinion (fwd) On Oct 17, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Paul wrote: Please take a few minutes to write the Statesman Journal about their very anti Libertarian view. This is something we can do as members of our email lists.. Write to: letters@Statesmanjournal.com Statesman Journal Opinion: Forfeiture measure would hurt police A conviction should not be a requirement for seizing property. Measure 3=E2=80=99s backers would have us believe that law enforcement offi= cials are ruthlessly seizing property from innocent people and using the proceeds to pad their budgets. Their solution: a constitutional amendment =E2=80=94 virtually change-proof =E2=80=94 that would rewrite civ= il forfeiture laws. The measure deserves defeat on both fronts. There=E2=80=99s not sufficient evidence to support their claims that current state laws are being applied unjustly. Even if abuses exist, rewriting Oregon=E2=80=99s Constit= ution is a bad remedy. Since 1989, law enforcement officials in Oregon have been able to seize property such as cars and cash if they think they are being used in illegal drug activity. Local communities can enact their own forfeiture laws covering other crimes such as drunken driving or prostitution. To keep the seized goods, authorities must prove their case in civil court, generally while the defendant proceeds through the criminal court system. That=E2=80=99s easier than securing a conviction in criminal court= . That=E2=80=99s why it=E2=80=99s possible for a defendant to bew acquitted i= n criminal court but still have a civil jury rule that his property should be forfeited. The proceeds of successful forfeiture suits go to cover court costs, then to narcotics enforcement and drug treatment and education. Local officials rely on this support for their drug-fighting efforts. Measure 3 would require that a person be convicted of a crime before forfeiting property related to that crime. The government would have to prove in criminal court that the property was used in the crime. And proceeds from the forfeiture could be used for drug treatment but not for fighting illegal drug activity. That tips the scale in favor of criminals. Not only are they more likely to make crime pay, they=E2=80=99re less likely to be caught next tim= e because local crime-fighting budgets will lose an important source of money. Passage of Measure 3 also could complicate cases where animals are abused or neglected. Authorities couldn=E2=80=99t release them for adoptio= n until their owner was convicted =E2=80=94 a process that can drag on for mo= nths. To address any problems with the forfeiture law, we first need better records to demonstrate what=E2=80=99s being seized, where the money is goin= g and how often, if ever, property is unjustly taken from people. The Legislature didn=E2=80=99t get around to budgeting money for this purpose u= ntil 1997, so we don=E2=80=99t have much to go on. It=E2=80=99s premature to sc= rap the forfeiture law on the suspicion that abuses might be taking place. If changes are needed, the Legislature should tackle them. That makes more sense than trying to rewrite complex laws through ballot measures. By the way, this measure was bankrolled by an out-of-state group called Campaign for New Drug Policies, which believes police focus too much on drug busts. We=E2=80=99d rather give credence to local law officials than = to outfits such as this. Crime shouldn=E2=80=99t pay, and our current laws are working to make that = so. The Statesman Journal=E2=80=99s editorial board recommends a no vote on Mea= sure 3. "America's drug war is so stupid that if you pay close attention to just ho= w stupid it is -- it'll drive you to use drugs." -- Jim Hightower ***************************************************************************= * To Post a message, send it to: cp3@eGroups.com For Subscription Info and to modify your settings, web postings,etc Go to the CP site: http://www.egroups.com/group/cp3/info.html CPOP web site: http://www.teleport.com/~nepal/canpat.htm Harry Browne for President-Libertarian-End the Drug War! http://www.HarryBrowne2000.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 00 14:18:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McDade - A Thorn In The Feds Side....... (fwd) Good news indeed! On Oct 18, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Govern Without Lies? No Way, says Gov't. U.S. News 10/16/00 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/001016/mcdade.htm Federally speaking, a fine kettle of fishA new law is tying prosecutors in knots By Chitra Ragavan Two Octobers ago, Congress passed a funny little law. It was named after its sponsor, Pennsylvania Republican Joseph McDade, but for the congressman, there was nothing funny about it. The Justice Department had spent eight years investigating McDade on racketeering charges. He was finally acquitted by a jury in 1996, but by then McDade's health and spirits were broken. The McDade bill was his payback to Justice. It simply requires federal prosecutors to comply with state ethics laws. No big deal? Not quite. In August, the Oregon Supreme Court forbade all lawyers in the state to lie, or encourage others to lie, cheat, or misrepresent themselves. Under McDade, the ruling now applies to Oregon's federal prosecutors. "We've handcuffed the agents," says senior FBI official David Knowlton, "not the criminals." The U.S. attorney for the Oregon district, Kristine Olson, has informed the FBI and other federal investigative agencies that she cannot OK agents or informants to assume false identities, wear body wires, or engage in undercover activities. .... Federal prosecutors despise the McDade law. David Margolis, a senior Justice Department official and a veteran organized-crime prosecutor, says McDade has had a major chilling effect. "Even I wouldn't go out on a limb," he says. Justice officials are trying to gut the law before Congress goes out of session this week. The department warned lawmakers in 1998 that prosecutors would be lost in a morass of quirky state ethics laws–especially during complicated multistate investigations. But defense lawyers won the day. "Why should prosecutors be exempt from rules that apply to all other lawyers in that state?" says Mark Holscher, lawyer for former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee. So far, no court has dismissed a case or excluded evidence on the basis of McDade. "These are crocodile tears," says veteran defense lawyer Irv Nathan. Major headache. The biggest headache for prosecutors is the American Bar Association's controversial Model Rule 4.2, adopted by many states. It prohibits prosecutors from contacting people represented by lawyers without first talking to the attorneys. Remember when Kenneth Starr's prosecutors ignored Monica Lewinsky's tearful entreaties to call her lawyer? They got away with it because, since 1989, Justice has defied Rule 4.2. No more. Prosecutors now say adhering to 4.2 has hurt white-collar probes, where securing the cooperation of informers is often vital. In an investigation of Alaska Airlines last year, company lawyers barred federal agents from questioning employees. Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont says, "The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction." But House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde of Illinois says he's not inclined to repeal McDade. "That doesn't mean I'm for crooks," Hyde says. "I'm for ethical behavior both by law enforcement and by defense counsel." Watching the fight from the sidelines is Joe McDade, now 69. "I didn't read about it. I lived it," he says, of prosecutorial zealotry. "The effort is not justice. The effort is to break a citizen." Sent to J.A.I.L. by Larry Bolin, futuefelon@hotmail.com. 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(fwd) With deals like this, they want to disarm _us_? On Oct 19, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: 10/17/2000 4:47:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: SUTTON1947 The contempt that many Americans harbor for the man presently occupying the Oval Office is no secret. Many of us have said for a long time that his lack of character would come to haunt the United States in a serious way some day. Well, some of those chickens came home to roost on Thursday. And in the process, a lot of lives were needlessly lost. Anyone who doesn't think Bill Clinton's single-minded quest to salvage some sort of presidential legacy as a peacemaker had anything to do with the violence that erupted in Israel this week is clinically delusional. And anyone who doesn't believe the attack on the U.S.S. Cole was, at least in part, retaliation for all of Clinton's "wag the dog" bombings of Middle East Arabs to deflect attention from his trouser-dropping escapades with a White House intern is hopelessly naive. Bill Clinton's short-sighted, feel-good, busy-body "can't-we-all-just-get-along" foreign policy has been an abject disaster for eight years. His rush-rush insistence that Israel and the Palestinians come to a peace agreement before his time in office is up ... a timetable designed to benefit Clinton's "legacy," not peace ... was certainly a contributing factor in this week's violence. Sticking Uncle Sam's nose into every little schoolyard skirmish everywhere in the world has built up a lot of resentment towards America and her allies by a lot of people. At least two of them appear to have been willing to undertake a suicide mission to sink a U.S. warship. They damn near succeeded. How embarrassing would THAT have been to America's prestige around the globe? In response, our brave commander-in-chief bit his lower lip and meowed, "We will find out who was responsible and hold them accountable." Yeah, right. I'm sure all those Middle East terrorists are quaking in their boots and losing a lot of sleep right now at Bungle-O Bill's words; the political equivalent of threatening a temper-tantrum throwing kid with a "time out." Enemies aren't afraid of paper tigers. On the other hand, a Palestinian mob stormed a Palestinian jail on the same day, "lynched and mutilated" two Israeli soldiers who had sought sanctuary there, and dragged their dead bodies through the streets ... all of which was caught on videotape. But unlike the U.S., the Israelis responded immediately, launching a rocket attack on the Palestinian jail and reducing it to rubble. Eye for an eye ... swift and certain. Later that day, an Israeli official vowed to hunt down the killers with words couched in steel, not jello. "We will settle accounts with them," said Israel's transport minister Amnon Lipkin-Shahak. "We are going through the pictures and identifying each one .. the civilians, the policemen ... each one. We will settle accounts with them. It may take a day, it may take a week, it may take a year, but we will settle accounts with them." I'm sure that little bastard shown jumping up and down celebrating the stomping death of those two Israelis soiled his underpants when he heard those words. 'Cause the Israelis don't just talk big ... they back their words up with action, and everybody knows it. That little SOB and his buddies might want to change their shorts, 'cause there's a good chance they'll be meeting Allah pretty darn soon. Those of us who know that Bill Clinton will stoop to any level for political gain can't help but wonder if the Middle East turmoil isn't the prelude to some kind of "October Surprise" designed to put Al Gore over the top on election day. Surely, no one of any intelligence can doubt that this guy is capable of such underhanded shenanigans. Of course, the biggest question of all is whether the tinder-box situation in the Middle East will seriously affect Bill Clinton's fundraising schedule in the coming days and weeks. Don't bet the kibbutz on it. - Chuck Muth, Editor ******************** Al Gore's Secret Middle East Arms Deal "The New York Times reported today that, without reporting to members of the House or Senate, Vice President Gore concluded a secret agreement in 1995 with then-Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin to circumvent U.S. laws requiring sanctions on any country that supplies advanced conventional weapons to Iran. "Specifically, Gore -- purportedly on behalf of the United States -- secretly authorized Russia to continue the sale of advanced weaponry to Iran in violation of a U.S. law that Gore himself had co-authored before joining the Clinton administration. "... At the very moment Gore was making this secret deal with Chernomyrdin, bipartisan majorities in Congress were deeply critical of the Clinton administration's failure to sanction Russian arms sales to Iran. It is now clear why the administration took no action. Gore actually signed off on the Russian sales to Iran, in violation of U.S. law. "The secret Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement reportedly allowed Russia to sell weapons to Iran for four more years, including an advanced submarine, torpedoes, anti-ship mines, and hundreds of tanks and armored personnel carriers. This submarine, as but one example, is exactly the type identified by Congress, when it passed the law, as posing a risk to U.S. forces operating in the Middle East. The secret deal cut by Vice President Gore directly contradicts the 1992 law he authored. "The report of the Speaker's Advisory Group noted a series of interlocking flaws in the Clinton-Gore policy towards Russia: unjustified confidence in unreliable officials like Chernomyrdin; refusal to acknowledge mistakes and revise policies accordingly; and excessive secrecy, designed to screen controversial policies from both Congress and the public. This secret agreement exemplifies every one of these flaws. "Tragically, as the Times report notes, the decision to flout U.S. law gained us nothing from the Russians. ... It is now clear the report understated the magnitude of the Vice President's policy failure. Gore was not just willfully blind to Russian proliferation -- he acquiesced in it." - House Policy Chairman Christopher Cox (R-CA), 10/13/00 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 00 11:15:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 1 of 2 Executive Order 12919 - Bonfire to the Constitution. (fwd) On Oct 23, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] EO #12919 by MAGGI BAUER Maggi@Vigo-Examiner.com Vigo Examiner Here is Executive Order #12919 in its entirety. When you get to the bottom, just see what Slick has done !!! And the worst of it?? Enjoy! THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release June 6, 1994 EXECUTIVE ORDER NATIONAL DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (64 Stat. 798; 50 U.S.C. App. 2061, et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows: PART I - PURPOSE, POLICY AND IMPLEMENTATION Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ("the Act"), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472. Sec. 102. Policy. The United States must have an industrial and technology base capable of meeting national defense requirements, and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its defense equipment in peacetime and in times of national emergency. The domestic industrial and technological base is the foundation for national defense preparedness. The authorities provided in the Act shall be used to strengthen this base and to ensure it is capable of responding to all threats to the national security of the United States. Sec. 103. General Functions. Federal departments and agencies responsible for defense acquisition (or for industrial resources needed to support defense acquisition) shall: (a) Identify requirements for the full spectrum of national security emergencies, including military, industrial, and essential civilian demand; (b) Assess continually the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of adequate industrial resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel; (c) Be prepared, in the event of a potential threat to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the availability of adequate industrial resources and production capability, including services and critical technology for national defense requirements; (d) Improve the efficiency and responsiveness, to defense requirements, of the domestic industrial base; and (e) Foster cooperation between the defense and commercial sectors for research and development and for acquisition of materials, components, and equipment to enhance industrial base efficiency and responsiveness. Sec. 104. Implementation. (a) The National Security Council is the principal forum for consideration and resolution of national security resource preparedness policy. (b) The Director, Federal Emergency Management Agency ("Director, FEMA") shall: (1) Serve as an advisor to the National Security Council on issues of national security resource preparedness and on the use of the authorities and functions delegated by this order; (2) Provide for the central coordination of the plans and programs incident to authorities and functions delegated under this order, and provide guidance and procedures approved by the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs to the Federal departments and agencies under this order; (3) Establish procedures, in consultation with Federal departments and agencies assigned functions under this order, to resolve in a timely and effective manner conflicts and issues that may arise in implementing the authorities and functions delegated under this order; and (4) Report to the President periodically concerning all program activities conducted pursuant to this order. (c) The head of every Federal department and agency assigned functions under this order shall ensure that the performance of these functions is consistent with National Security Council policy and guidelines. PART II - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS Sec. 201. Delegations of Priorities and Allocations. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads: (1) The Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer; (2) The Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy; (3) The Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources; (4) The Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation; (5) The Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and (6) The Secretary of Commerce for all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials. (b) The Secretary of Commerce, in consultation with the heads of those departments and agencies specified in subsection 201(a) of this order, shall administer the Defense Priorities and Allocations System ("DPAS") regulations that will be used to implement the authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act as delegated to the Secretary of Commerce in subsection 201(a)(6) of this order. The Secretary of Commerce will redelegate to the Secretary of Defense, and the heads of other departments and agencies as appropriate, authority for the priority rating of contracts and orders for all materials, services, and facilities needed in support of programs approved under section 202 of this order. The Secretary of Commerce shall act as appropriate upon Special Priorities Assistance requests in a time frame consistent with the urgency of the need at hand. (c) The Director, FEMA, shall attempt to resolve issues or disagreements on priorities or allocations between Federal departments or agencies in a time frame consistent with the urgency of the issue at hand and, if not resolved, such issues will be referred to the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs for final determination. (d) The head of each Federal department or agency assigned functions under subsection 201(a) of this order, when necessary, shall make the finding required under subsection 101(b) of the Act. This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Upon such approval the head of the Federal department or agency that made the finding may use the authority of subsection 101(a) of the Act to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market. (e) The Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs is hereby delegated the authority under subsection 101(c)(3) of the Act, and will be assisted by the Director, FEMA, in ensuring the coordinated administration of the Act. Sec. 202. Determinations. The authority delegated by section 201 of this order may be used only to support programs that have been determined in writing as necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense: (a) By the Secretary of Defense with respect to military production and construction, military assistance to foreign nations, stockpiling, outer space, and directly related activities; (b) By the Secretary of Energy with respect to energy production and construction, distribution and use, and directly related activities; and (c) By the Director, FEMA, with respect to essential civilian needs supporting national defense, including civil defense and continuity of government and directly related activities. Sec. 203. Maximizing Domestic Energy Supplies. The authority of the President to perform the functions provided by subsection 101(c) of the Act is delegated to the Secretary of Commerce, who shall redelegate to the Secretary of Energy the authority to make the findings described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) that the materials (including equipment), services, and facilities are critical and essential. The Secretary of Commerce shall make the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) of the Act that the materials (including equipment), services, or facilities are scarce, and the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(B) that it is necessary to use the authority provided by subsection 101(c)(1). Sec. 204. Chemical and Biological Warfare. The authority of the President conferred by subsection 104(b) of the Act is delegated to the Secretary of Defense. This authority may not be further delegated by the Secretary. PART III - EXPANSION OF PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY AND SUPPLY Sec. 301. (a) Financing Institution Guarantees. To expedite or expand production and deliveries or services under government contracts for the procurement of industrial resources or critical technology items essential to the national defense, the head of each Federal department or agency engaged in procurement for the national defense (referred to as "agency head" in this part) and the President and Chairman of the Export-Import Bank of the United States (in cases involving capacity expansion, technological development, or production in foreign countries) are authorized to guarantee in whole or in part any public or private financing institution, subject to provisions of section 301 of the Act. Guarantees shall be made in consultation with the Department of the Treasury as to the terms and conditions thereof. The Director of the Office of Management and Budget ("OMB") shall be informed when such guarantees are to be made. (b) Direct Loan Guarantees. To expedite or expand production and deliveries or services under government contracts for the procurement of industrial resources or critical technology items essential to the national defense, each agency head is authorized to make direct loan guarantees from funds appropriated to their agency for Title III. (c) Fiscal Agent. Each Federal Reserve Bank is designated and authorized to act, on behalf of any guaranteeing agency, as fiscal agent in the making of guarantee contracts and in otherwise carrying out the purposes of section 301 of the Act. (d) Regulations. The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is authorized, after consultation with heads of guaranteeing departments and agencies, the Secretary of the Treasury, and the Director, OMB, to prescribe regulations governing procedures, forms, rates of interest, and fees for such guarantee contracts. Sec. 302. Loans. (a) To expedite production and deliveries or services to aid in carrying out government contracts for the procurement of industrial resources or a critical technology item for the national defense, an agency head is authorized, subject to the provisions ofsection 302 of the Act, to submit to the Secretary of the Treasury or the President and Chairman of the Export- Import Bank of the United States (in cases involving capacity expansion, technological development, or production in foreign countries) applications for loans. (b) To expedite or expand production and deliveries or services under government contracts for the procurement of industrial resources or critical technology items essential to the national defense, each agency head may make direct loans from funds appropriated to their agency for Title III. (c) After receiving a loan application and determining that financial assistance is not otherwise available on reasonable terms, the Secretary of the Treasury or the President and Chairman of the Export-Import Bank of the United States (in cases involving capacity expansion, technological development, or production in foreign countries) may make loans, subject to provisions of section 302 of the Act. Sec. 303. Purchase Commitments. (a) In order to carry out the objectives of the Act, and subject to the provisions of section 303 thereof, an agency head is authorized to make provision for purchases of, or commitments to purchase, an industrial resource or a critical technology item for government use or resale. (b) Materials acquired under section 303 of the Act that exceed the needs of the programs under the Act may be transferred to the National Defense Stockpile, if such transfer is determined by the Secretary of Defense as the National Defense Stockpile Manager to be in the public interest. Sec. 304. Subsidy Payments. In order to ensure the supply of raw or non-processed materials from high-cost sources, an agency head is authorized to make subsidy payments, after consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director, OMB, and subject to the provisions of section 303(c) of the Act. Sec. 305. Determinations and Findings. When carrying out the authorities in sections 301 through 303 of this order, an agency head is authorized to make the required determinations, judgments, statements, certifications, and findings, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Energy or Director, FEMA, as appropriate. The agency head shall provide a copy of the determination, judgment, statement, certification, or finding to the Director, OMB, to the Director, FEMA, and, when appropriate, to the Secretary of the Treasury. Sec. 306. Strategic and Critical Materials. (a) The Secretary of the Interior, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense as the National Defense Stockpile Manager and subject to the provisions of section 303 of the Act, is authorized to encourage the exploration, development, and mining of critical and strategic materials and other materials. (b) An agency head is authorized, pursuant to section 303(g) of the Act, to make provision for the development of substitutes for strategic and critical materials, critical components, critical technology items, and other industrial resources to aid the national defense. (c) An agency head is authorized, pursuant to section 303(a)(1)(B) of the Act, to make provisions to encourage the exploration, development, and mining of critical and strategic materials and other materials. Sec. 307. Government-owned Equipment. An agency head is authorized, pursuant to section 303(e) of the Act, to install additional equipment, facilities, processes, or improvements to facilities owned by the government and to install government-owned equipment in industrial facilities owned by private persons. Sec. 308. Identification of Shortfalls. Except during periods of national emergency or after a Presidential determination in accordance with sections 301(e)(1)(D)(ii), 302(c)(4)(B), or 303(a)(7)(B) of the Act, no guarantee, loan or other action pursuant to sections 301, 302, and 303 of the Act to correct an industrial shortfall shall be taken unless the shortfall has been identified in the Budget of the United States or amendments thereto. Sec. 309. Defense Production Act Fund Manager. The Secretary of Defense is designated the Defense Production Act Fund Manager, in accordance with section 304(f) of the Act, and shall carry out the duties specified in that section, in consultation with the agency heads having approved Title III projects and appropriated Title III funds. Sec. 310. Critical Items List. (a) Pursuant to section 107(b)(1)(A) of the Act, the Secretary of Defense shall identify critical components and critical technology items for each item on the Critical Items List of the Commanders-in-Chief of the Unified and Specified Commands and other items within the inventory of weapon systems and defense equipment. (b) Each agency head shall take appropriate action to ensure that critical components or critical technology items are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency. "Appropriate action" may include restricting contract solicitations to reliable sources, restricting contract solicitations to domestic sources (pursuant to statutory authority), stockpiling critical components, and developing substitutes for critical components or critical technology items. Sec. 311. Strengthening Domestic Capability. An agency head, in accordance with section 107(a) of the Act, may utilize the authority of Title III of the Act or any other provision of law, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, to provide appropriate incentives to develop, maintain, modernize, and expand the productive capacities of domestic sources for critical components, critical technology items, and industrial resources essential for the execution of the national security strategy of the United States. Sec. 312. Modernization of Equipment. An agency head, in accordance with section 108(b) of the Act, may utilize the authority of Title III of the Act to guarantee the purchase or lease of advance manufacturing equipment and any related services with respect to any such equipment for purposes of the Act. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #394 *************************