From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #397 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, November 1 2000 Volume 02 : Number 397 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 00 16:40:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Calif GOP supports Dem Rep! (fwd) On Oct 30, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This election is being touted as the closest race in 40 years, with a mere 7 seats difference between the 2 major parties to decide next years House chairmen, and guess what, the GOP has decided to throw away a seat. What's more important than having a majority in Congress? Only one thing. The continued growth of the NWO globalists, RepublicRATs. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - -----Original Message----- From: Linda Muller [SMTP:linda@buchanan.org] The GOP has come out against Duncan Hunter - R-San Diego - and instead have thrown their support to the Democrat challenger this election. Craig Barkacs is a flaming pro-abort liberal, so why on earth would the Republican Party support him? What was Hunter's crime? Was he a low-down pro- abort? A dirty gun-grabber? A tax-and-spend liberal? Hell No! In the eyes of the GOP, Hunter has committed the most vile of crimes -- he fought against the treasonous sovereignty-stealing trade deals including NAFTA, WTO, and MFN. Note that Duncan Hunter did vote with the globalist establishment on some key issues including the "war" against the Serbian people, but it wasn't enough. In the end it does not matter how you vote on any issue, but you better vote "yea" on all the New World Order trade deals - or suffer the consequences. Brigade, this is exactly what happened to our Pat. Years ago, these same people that attack him today were his close friends. They cheered everything he said and did, they called him their conservative standard bearer. When Pat came out against NAFTA the friendship turned ugly. Suddenly, the same people who for years invited him to their dinner parties began making false accusations against him. They lied about his character, and ignited a massive smear campaign in the media. Pat's crime? He fights for the restoration of American Sovereignty. See article below, Pat is mentioned. FTC-Linda - --------- From: info@brandenburghistorica.com Date sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:43:40 -0400 Organization: Brandenburg Historica To: linda@buchanan.org Subject: Re: SUPPORT REP. HUNTER IN SAN DIEGO! Linda, You have to read this! The GOP is supporting the Democratic challenger in this election! - ----------- JAMES O. GOLDSBOROUGH / THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE Why it is finally time for Duncan Hunter to go October 26, 2000 Rep. Duncan Hunter, the 10-term, right-wing Republican from East County who opposes free trade, China, NAFTA, Mexico, public broadcasting, airports, railroads and practically anything else that serves the San Diego economy, has a race on his hands this time in the 52nd District. Republicans are abandoning Hunter to support Democrat Craig Barkacs, a business professor at the University of San Diego who has put together a bipartisan group that objects to Hunter's anti-business stance. The perception is that Hunter is hurting San Diego. "I've been a staunch Republican all my life," says Malin Burnham, chairman of the Burnham Companies. "After 20 years in office Duncan Hunter is out of touch with the people he is supposed to represent. As is often the case with career politicians who become complacent, Duncan loves to talk but refuses to listen." Burnham has joined with some 100 prominent business and community leaders, including Irwin Jacobs, Sol Price, Mel Katz and Dave Nuffer in bipartisan support for Barkacs. "When Hunter was first elected two decades ago," says Republican Katz, co-owner of Manpower, Inc., "San Diego was defense oriented. Today we are a leader in high tech, biotech and telecommunications." "It's time for Duncan to go," says Burnham. Hunter, whose district stretches from the San Diego suburbs east into Imperial County, opposes free trade. In 1993, he led a handful of isolationist Republicans to oppose NAFTA, which passed thanks to bipartisan leadership and helped spur California's economy to its best decade in history. Hunter also opposed U.S. membership in the World Trade Organization (which includes every nation but a handful of retrograde ones like Libya, Afghanistan, North Korea and Syria), opposed aid to Mexico after the peso devaluation of 1994 and opposed China's entry into the WTO. The Almanac of American Politics, the bible of political information, says of Hunter: "In many ways he is the House member who comes closest in substantive views to Patrick Buchanan." San Diego's business leaders don't think a Buchanan Republican (xenophobe Buchanan gets 1 percent of the vote in national polls) is a good fit for California's second city, and one of the nation's most dynamic. Barkacs, who has an MBA and law degree from USD and is a tenured professor of business, is the first serious opponent Hunter has had lately. With his ties to the defense industry, Hunter has had no trouble scaring off challengers and depriving the 52nd District of a choice. Two years ago, Hunter had no opponent. Four years ago, he outspent his Democratic challenger by $632,305 to $40,178. The charge levelled against Hunter by Republicans like Burnham, Nuffer and Katz is not just that he is out of step with today's San Diego, but that his ruthless partisanship hurts both city and state. "Barkacs," says Katz, "is a perfect example of someone who wants to break down partisanship. Just think what could happen if our California delegation started working together. Just think what we could get done." This is an allusion to one of Hunter's worst votes, for Republican leaders in 1992, when the GOP was in the minority. Bob Michel was the minority leader and Newt Gingrich the minority whip. The vote for the No. 3 spot was between conservative Dick Armey of Texas and moderate Jerry Lewis of Riverside. Lewis lost 88-84. Two years later, Armey became majority leader when Republicans won the House and Michel resigned. Had Hunter and fellow right wingers Bob Dornan (since defeated) and Dana Rohrabacher of Orange County put this state's people ahead of their own narrow ideology, California would have had its first majority leader -- and likely speaker once Gingrich was thrown out. Said Lewis after the vote: "In a time of important decisions relating to the economic and political future of our states, Texans stick together and Californians do not. Texas' solid backing for [Armey] and a divided California delegation was the difference in this race." Hunter, a Gingrich loyalist in 1992, hoped to be elevated to the leadership -- at least to a committee chairmanship -- after 1994. Instead, he was pushed out of the leadership as too extreme even for Gingrich. Despite his 20 years of seniority, Hunter has never chaired a committee. Hunter's visceral opposition to Mexico and Mexicans has made him a leader in the effort to wall Mexico off at the border, and puts him at loggerheads with San Diego's business leaders. Says Burnham: "One of the most important challenges and opportunities we face is working with our friends in Mexico." Hunter's current energies are spent trying to block the East- West railroad project, with which San Diego is trying to revitalize its port by linking it to the east. It would be an upset for Barkacs to win. He's new to the district and lacks the fund-raising ties of Hunter. But a Barkacs win would be good both for the district and the region. "Twenty years ago no one thought Hunter could win in that district," says Manpower's Katz. "You never know." Goldsborough can be reached via e-mail at jim.goldsborough@uniontrib.com. http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/ thu/opinion/news_1e26golds.html Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 00 16:37:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Police to issue Warrants (fwd) On Oct 31, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Police to issue Warrents Date: 10/31/2000 12:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time > Senate Bill Passes Allowing Lawmen To Issue > Warrants Bypassing Courts - Will this be tomorrow's > headline? Perhaps not if we act today. > > Do you FAVOR warrantless apprehensions of American > citizens? Do you FAVOR asset forfeiture laws, when > there has been no due process of law? If the answer > is not in America, then there may still be time to > act on two profoundly wrong pieces of legislation. > S. 2516 originally passed the Senate, by unanimous > consent (unrecorded voice vote), on July 26, 2000; > HR 3048 originally passed the House, by unrecorded > voice vote, on June 26, 2000. Both bills have now > been combined. > > Both bills contain provisions that allow for > expanded applications and issuance authority of > administrative subpoenas issued NOT through the > courts, but by the executive branch of the federal > government. Currently this power has been limited to > the attorney general. By expanding use of > administrative subpoenas during its investigations, > the US Justice Department circumvents the > judicial-review process of the courts, eliminating a > vital "check" on the department's exercised power. > The future of the Fourth Amendment is very much > endangered by this process. > > The Senate amended the original House version of > H.R. 3048, and sent it back to the House after > attaching S. 2516, the "Fugitive Apprehension Act," > which grants every agency in the Department of > Justice (including U. S. Marshals) new authority to > issue administrative subpoenas when investigating > "fugitive" cases. > S. 2516, the Fugitive Apprehension Act, would > extend administrative subpoena-issuance authority to > the US Marshals Service, for use in pursuing broadly > defined "fugitives" at the federal, state, and local > levels. (The definition of "fugitive" is expanded by > S. 2516 to include not only persons who have been > convicted of committing violent felonies and > "serious drug offenses, but also persons who've > merely been accused, or who are suspected, of > committing such crimes.) S. 2516 contains a > "delayed notice" provision, which would allow the > government to access personal records of "fugitives" > without the sought persons' knowledge, and without > first obtaining search warrants through the courts. > The bill would also authorize federal investigators > to obtain court orders that would require > third-party custodians of seized records to refrain > from speaking to anyone about these investigations. > In addition, the custodians would be immune from > civil liability for complying with the demands of > the government in its investigations. > > (Note: It has been claimed that "delayed notice" > provisions have been removed from the bill, through > its amendment by the Senate on October 13. This is > disputed in a letter (to follow) by a Representative > and organizations lobbying against the bill's > passage.) > > > > HR 3048 calls for the establishment of a "National > Threat Assessment Center" within the Secret Service, > for the purposes of (1) "training" federal, state, > and local law enforcement agencies in the areas of > "threat assessment," "prevention of targeted > violence," and "facilitation of information > sharing"; (2) establishing programs for the > "standardization" of investigative techniques among > the various levels of law enforcement; and (3) "any > other activities the [Treasury] Secretary determines > are necessary to implement a comprehensive threat > assessment capability." > > These bills, if enacted will allow egregious > destruction of our 4th amendment rights. The > following are excerpts from letters which speak > unequivocally to the dangers this legislation will > pose to a free society: > > " Insofar as we already passed HR 3048 out of the > House, these bills will come to us next in the form > of a conference report for which we will have to > cast a vote. > > Representative Bill McCollum, Chairman of the > Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, recently sent out a > "Dear Colleague" regarding S. 2516, stating that the > bill was revised so as to significantly address > privacy concerns. I disagree. > > H.R. 3048 is a drastic expansion of government > power and will seriously erode the privacy rights of > Americans. Administrative subpoenas are an awesome > vehicle for government to compel disclosure of > information. Under this authority, a law enforcement > officer can sign his name on a piece of paper > requiring individuals or businesses to turn over > private information to the government, without > establishing probable cause or making any other > showing that a crime has occurred, and without ever > consulting a judge. What they fail to highlight is > these subpoenas can be obtained for information > pertaining to a person who has only "allegedly" > committed a crime. Additionally, the information > obtained by the use of these subpoenas is not only > the "fugitive's" personal records or information. > These subpoenas can be used to procure information > and records pertaining to an innocent third party, > simply because the government believes it may be > relevant information for an investigation of the > other person. > > I cannot over-emphasize the severity of the > expansion of these administrative subpoenas. As a > former United States Attorney, I do not have any > cases to cite in which a serious or violent felon > "got away" because the Department of Justice or any > other federal agency did not have administrative > subpoena authority. Please help me ensure our civil > liberties are protected by opposing S. 2516 and HR > 3048" .... > > BOB BARR (Representative) > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION > AMERICANS FOR TAX REFORM > CENTER FOR TECHNOLOGY AND DEMOCRACY > CENTER FOR TECHNOLOGY POLICY > AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTY UNION [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 00 16:55:32 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: UNITE !! (fwd) On Oct 30, J.B. Stone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] UNITE! "If we make peaceful revolution impossible we make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy Much has been debated, fretted over, and proposed on the eve of what will prove to the most significant set of elections this country has experienced since the Civil War. As always, there is a struggle over the balance of power. The difference is that usually it means there will be either there will be a Republican or Democratic majority in Congress combined with a presidency that favors either the majority or minority. We re all familiar with the to and fro battles that ensue given the various combinations. This year will be strikingly different. What is at stake right now is the continuance of America as we have known it. Bill Clinton and Al Gore declared that they would recreate government if they were elected. They have been true to their word. Ironically, it s just about the only campaign promise that I can recall that was ever kept in any but the most superficial way. What they have accomplished is to mesmerize and hoodwink the American public into a deadly trance and inflicted their will with the combined power of the Executive Order and the Veto. The executive branch of government has proven it is free to do as it pleases with the open and notorious assistance of the Cabinet while the populace sits inertly watching their TV sets. And so it is, day after day, that Administrative law is enacted under the guise of policy and procedure changes that divert the public s attention and influence away from the control of our nation and hand it over to deeply entrenched bureaucrats who are immune from scrutiny or oversight. We made history once upon a time by overthrowing the most powerful nation on earth to declare our freedom. We are bound to repeat that feat or cease to exist as a free nation. But how? The Cultural Revolution we were promised in the 60 s has indeed been successful in eradicating our historic trust in, and respect for, each other and isolated us in small, manageable packets easily manipulated for political gain. Who do you know that cannot be lumped into one special interest group or another, complete with lobbyists and tailored legislation? The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is a cruel joke perpetrated by the Immense Left Wing Coincidence that has brought this country to its knees militarily and financially. It has been divide and conquer at its worst. Conservatives assist the Liberals by bickering amongst themselves rather than presenting a unified front. There have been rumblings of unrest and promises of resistance from many quarters. Many have stated that they will move this way or that depending on the outcome of these crucial elections. But even this milestone is ultimately insignificant. For whatever you or your neighbors claim they will do after the votes are tallied, it is not going to happen. How can I make such a blatantly contradictory statement? The changes have already been wrought. If you believe you are a free person in a free country, just try to express yourself as such. Go ahead, I m waiting Did you get arrested or just merely chastised for not acting in a politically correct fashion? The changes have been so pervasive and complete that even the language you use has been adjusted to fit the scheme. The handicapped are disadvantaged , etc. If that s the case, then who cares about the elections? It s time for REVOLUTION! Not so fast, my friend. All this talk of violent overthrow of the forces condemning us to a life of diminishing returns is just shortsighted poppycock. Just exactly who are you going to attack, in what manner will you accomplish this deed, and when and where are you going to do so? That brings us back to the elections. If you are waiting for Al Gore to be elected, it s already too late. Gore s election will prove that the majority of the public has fallen for the shell game. You will not be able to defeat or control hundreds of millions of people by martial law or dispose of that many, especially if one of the architects of this country s demise is in power with the still formidable military at his disposal. Oh, and don t forget that Janet Reno or someone equally reprehensible will still be in control of the Department of Injustice. In fact, I haven t heard a word about Gore s intention to replace a single Cabinet member. Wouldn t that be an interesting turn of events? Given four to eight more years of uncontrolled subversion, you won t recognize this country. The sweeping changes already underway will be multiplied tenfold between now and the inaugural date of our next president. The assaults on our freedom and the relentless legacy machine will be kicked into overdrive and pushed forward at a blistering pace calculated to make it all so overwhelming that the results will stand unchallenged. It s worked so far. The opportunity for this has been carefully engineered and timed to hit when we are most complacent and preoccupied with thoughts of home, the holidays and year-end budget considerations, distracted from what may seal our fate for decades. As for who you will be attacking in this revolution that s not going to happen, have you considered that you will be obligated to mass killings of children? Unless you have been home schooling them and instilling them with concrete values and useable logic, they are your biggest threat. They have been trained, not educated, in violence factories and taught to value the Nanny State more than their own peers and kin, let alone freedom . Freedom to these kids is the opportunity to choose the special interest group of their favor. They adopt and display their choice by declaring their newly found gayness or by having every imaginable orifice and appendage studded with garish slave metal attachments and seek ever more powerful illicit drugs to rot their minds if they are not already otherwise suited for automatic victimhood. They hate you establishment types and given the outcome of the last few high school rampages, they re very creative and effective killers. At the very least, when you fail in completely eradicating your foes, they will rebuild the system for them because it s the only one they know and they won t care for the situation you have created that brings more accountability to the individual. That would be too much like growing up. Now know why they are continually doing it for the children . And don t forget your neighbors and co-workers. Are you prepared to confront them in the streets across a haphazard barricade and murder them? Under what set of criteria will you set your gun sights upon them? Perhaps lengthy imprisonment and retraining would be more to your liking? But we just discussed the school system. While I m thinking about it, what are you planning to do with all these corpses and their belongings? I guess simple greed will solve half the problem, but unless you are advocating complete economic chaos, how will their real estate and investments be divided? Who will care for the survivors and dependents? The Nanny State will rise again or you will be forced to eradicate tens of millions of the relatives of your foes. This will be very, very messy. Perhaps you are one of the smug adherents to the Militia Ethic . If so, what s your plan? I see; it s a secret. Fine then. But exactly how are you going to disseminate this glorious blueprint for freedom and who gets to play along besides the members of your group? Unless you have a complete set of skills and talents embodied in your entourage, you will ultimately be beholding to some other group or groups for your mere existence. I could be wrong, but I doubt that you have enough food, water, clothing and transportation stored up for the next several generations it s going to take to repopulate the country with people who agree unreservedly with you. Of course no one that I ve spoken to that advocates this revolutionary solution to our dilemma has given much critical thought to the future outcome of their proposed activities in even the most basic terms. Let s look at the immediate results of a violent overthrow of the government with no replacement mechanism. Who would control the military? Even if some Admiral or General or ad hoc cabal didn t seize the reins of power and our armed forces sat motionless against the freedom fighters , who would defend the country from all the petty and not so petty dictators that are aching for our demise? If you don t think terrorist attacks are a real possibility now, they would be absolutely guaranteed if we were to go to civil war. With our defenses down and our focus on internal strife and conflict we would be prime candidates for an outside force or forces throwing in with one side or the other with the intention of taking all the marbles when the dust settles. Couldn t happen? Rent the movie, The Man Who Would Be King . By the way, considering those who would be kings and those who plan to dethrone them, why haven t all the militia groups coalesced and already mounted the attack? If we are not at the lowest point in our history right now, what are they waiting for? If things get better without them are they going to turn away in disgust because they never had their day of infamy on the battlefield? That s not very conducive to progress and solidarity, now is it? Perhaps you re waiting for George Bush to be elected and presume that he will be able or wanting to root out all the evil that will surround him when he takes office. I am not assigning any particular bent to him at this time, but if he intended to do so, it would be unmistakable by now. Alan Keyes may have fit that mold, but he s not running. All of the halfway reasonable individuals I have communicated with or heard publicly espousing their views believe that a return to the Constitution and the ethics and purpose stated in the Declaration of Independence are the only answer to our problems. There s even a Constitution Party with candidates in many states and a presidential combatant. The problem with the Constitution Party and the Libertarians is that they present their ideals and solutions as if they were alien concepts. Pat Buchanan and the Reform Party have the most name recognition, but unfortunately it is due for the most part to Perot s sour grapes performances in the last two elections and the chaotic mess they called their convention. How do any of these groups ever expect to capture a majority of the votes for the presidency when they do not have the support of the mainstream voters? Why should I care about third parties or elections if things are so bleak and we are on the brink of disaster? I do believe that there are many sincere and forthright individuals in these parties and I intend to vote for some of them. No matter what you believe, you need to be associated with thousands and thousands of people of like mind who possess a will to change things for the better in order to take power. If we take control of the schools and our local and regional economies and governments and communicate with others across the nation, we would have most of the battle won without firing a shot. With better people in office we won t be faced with such a dire predicament. When we all move in the same direction at the same time we create momentum. I ll see you at the polls. J.B. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 00 00:59:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:30:27 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: QRN: Sidewinder! Chretien linked to Chinese agents] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------449F43EAC06AEA0AFCBBB271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------449F43EAC06AEA0AFCBBB271 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: by pigeon (mbox lball) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Wed Nov 1 07:23:54 2000) X-From_: list-errors.700004454.0.702106604.004@boing.topica.com Tue Oct 31 22:52:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from outmta010.topica.com (outmta010.topica.com [206.132.75.222]) by pigeon.inebraska.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24350 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:52:20 -0600 (CST) To: Dan MacInnis , "atlasfedup@topica.com" From: JFA Subject: Fwd: QRN: Sidewinder! Chretien linked to Chinese agents Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:51:51 -0800 Message-ID: <0.700004454.1568895139-212058698-973054311@topica.com> Reply-To: atlasfedup@topica.com X-Topica-Loop: 700004454 Received: (qmail 15613 invoked by alias); 1 Nov 2000 04:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15601 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2000 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from relais.videotron.ca (HELO VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca) (mail@24.201.245.36) by inmta002.topica.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from terra ([24.200.129.208]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G3BXIA00.4WY; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:51:46 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pigeon.inebraska.com id HAA26081 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DBEGIN FORWARDED MES= SAGE=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:07:54 -0700 >From: Michael Miller >To: Quackgrass Roots Network >Subject: QRN: Sidewinder! Chretien linked to Chinese agents Here's a 'spook' story just in time for Halloween! The Report (formerly Alberta Report) newsmagazine says that Sidewinder, a joint RCMP-CSIS operation, revealed links between PM Chretien's family and Chinese agents. Sidewinder's secret interim report, "Chinese Intelligence Services and Triads Financial Links in Canada," was issued in 1997. This report was suppressed, and all copies were ordered destroyed, as were all background materials. Alas for the Liberals, some copies of Sidewinder's report survived and have reached press organizations, including The Report. -- http://www.report.ca/missed/p15i001106f.html Li Ka-Shing, a Chinese tycoon, is a central figure in this story. Mr. Li is a director of the Beijing-controlled China International Trust Investment Company (CITIC), which has "developed...close business links with Power Corporation." Andr=E9 Desmarais, Prime Minister Chretien's son-in-law, is president and co-chief executive officer of Power Corporation. Li Ka-Shing's son Richard bought 50.1% of Gordon Capital in 1985, where Jean Chretien was a senior adviser from 1986 to 1990. (Compare the dates.) So, who is Li Ka-Shing? Here's a report from the New Australian which fills in some of the blanks. "Li Ka-Shing, the PLA's front man, eyes Australia," by Peter Zhang "[N]ot every Chinese civilian company is an instrument of the Ministry of State Security or the PLA. But Li is." -- http://www.newaus.com.au/aatempli.html As far as I know, no major media have yet picked up the Sidewinder story. They've all been too busy wondering why PM Chretien was in such a rush to call an election, and so they should. 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