From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #404 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 02 : Number 404 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:42:37 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: [tgo-l] Fax Algore free NOW!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------128CE8EEAE86A1F3768F46B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a good deal. Take advantage of it. According to the Lincoln Journal Star this morning Gore's supporters are falling off the wagon. Even our new Democratic Senator elect is urging Gore to concede. Let's do this one Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - --------------128CE8EEAE86A1F3768F46B0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by pigeon (mbox lball) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Tue Nov 28 06:35:26 2000) X-From_: sentto-210468-2514-975384803-lball=inetnebr.com@returns.onelist.com Mon Nov 27 22:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hn.egroups.com (hn.egroups.com [208.50.99.199]) by pigeon.inebraska.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29691 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:13:25 -0600 (CST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-210468-2514-975384803-lball=inetnebr.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2000 04:13:25 -0000 X-Sender: natkins@austin.rr.com X-Apparently-To: tgo-l@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_2); 28 Nov 2000 04:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 36779 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2000 04:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2000 04:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newsf1.texas.rr.com) (24.28.95.146) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2000 04:13:21 -0000 Received: from austin.rr.com (cs2727-20.austin.rr.com [24.27.27.20]) by newsf1.texas.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAS4DCu05527; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:13:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A2330D8.C0169D61@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: antianti Cc: concealed , freefire , "Gov. 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ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. - --------------128CE8EEAE86A1F3768F46B0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:31:16 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: [Nilsphone] Fwd: On the lighter side, who puts the "duh" in Floriduh?] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------30BA3C324020322F7BB4C07C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------30BA3C324020322F7BB4C07C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by pigeon (mbox lball) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Tue Nov 28 12:29:22 2000) X-From_: list-errors.700004454.0.702106604.004@boing.topica.com Tue Nov 28 11:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from outmta004.topica.com (outmta004.topica.com [206.132.75.201]) by pigeon.inebraska.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16126 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:47:14 -0600 (CST) To: "atlasfedup@topica.com" From: JFA Subject: [Nilsphone] Fwd: On the lighter side, who puts the "duh" in Floriduh? 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FLORIDA: If you think we can't vote, wait till you see us drive. FLORIDA: Home of electile dysfunction. FLORIDA: We count more than you do. FLORIDA: If you don't like the way we count then take I-95 and visit one of the other 56 states. FLORIDA: We've been Gored by the bull of politics and we're Bushed. FLORIDA: Relax, Retire, ReVote. FLORIDA: Viagra voters do it again! FLORIDA: What comes after 17,311? FLORIDA: Where your vote counts and counts and counts. FLORIDA: This is what you get for taking Elian away from us. FLORIDA: We don't just cheat in football. FLORIDA: We're number one! Wait! Recount! Palm Beach County: So nice, we let you vote twice. Palm Beach County: We put the "duh" in Florida. Sign on I-95 : Florida this way, no that way,5 miles, wait 10 miles. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics - --------------30BA3C324020322F7BB4C07C-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 00 16:43:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Global Warming - Not Since 1940 (fwd) On Nov 27, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] November 24, 2000 =20 Skeptic rebuts global warming premise =20 LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH =20 THE HAGUE The world has not warmed since 1940, according to tree=20 rings, coral-reef studies and ice-core bore holes, one of the world's leadin= g=20 "global warming" skeptics told a meeting at the climate-change conference=20 here. Fred Singer, a meteorologist at the University of Virginia,=20 challenged the very basis of the U.N.-sponsored conference, where negotiator= s=20 from 180 nations remained deadlocked yesterday in an attempt to draft rules=20 requiring cuts in greenhouse gases. "The climate has warmed in the last century, but this took place=20 before 1940. The hottest years in America were around 1940. We don't know th= e=20 cause of the warming, but we don't think it was human activity," Mr. Singer=20 told a meeting on the sidelines of the conference. Mr. Singer said he has found no evidence suggesting future extreme=20 weather events, such as severe storms or droughts, increases in infectious=20 diseases, or changes to forests and other ecosystems. He said there has been an increase in greenhouse gases but thinks=20 this has led to "a greening of the planet, improved agricultural yields and=20 more vigorous forest growth." His remarks came as negotiators worked overnight to piece together a= n=20 agreement with far-reaching consequences for the U.S. economy and environmen= t. Any agreement coming out of the negotiations, due to end today, coul= d=20 require Americans to cut their energy use and emissions by as much as=20 one-third by 2012. Mr. Singer used the scientific temperature data assembled by James=20 Hanson of NASA, who first highlighted the phenomenon of global warming, to=20 dispute the findings of the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC= ). The panel's recommendations formed the basis of the climate-change=20 treaty signed in Kyoto, Japan, three years ago. The negotiators here are=20 trying to implement that treaty. Mr. Singer said he accepts evidence from temperature records all ove= r=20 the world that there appears to have been a pronounced warming since 1975,=20 with some of the hottest years in the 1990s. But he added that satellite records of the temperature three miles=20 up, which should show a similar trend, show no warming at all. "One explanation is that the satellites are wrong. The other=20 explanation that is my hypothesis is that the surface appears to be warming=20 but isn't really warming at all," he said. Bob Watson, chairman of the IPCC, has used the surface-temperature=20 records of the past 20 years to contend that the 20th century is the warmest= =20 in 1,000 years, but Mr. Singer disagreed. Mr. Singer said he places greater faith in the "proxy" records of=20 temperature, contained in tree rings, ocean sediments, ice cores and so on,=20 which he said show no warming since 1940. Thermometer readings may be misleading, he said. "Proxy records say=20 the global temperature has not increased in the past 20 years." Instead, "heat islands" caused by urbanization have distorted=20 thermometer readings, Mr. Singer said. He produced graphs from research conducted by the University of East= =20 Anglia and analyses of Greenland ice cores throughout 100,000 years publishe= d=20 in scientific papers to support his point. Mr. Singer is one of several scientists to challenge the broad=20 conclusions of the IPCC, a distillation of the work of 3,000 scientists from= =20 most of the leading meteorological institutes. He shared a platform with=20 Richard Coutney, from Britain's Institute of Economic Affairs, who suggested= =20 that the summary and conclusions of the IPCC's assessment of the climate had= =20 been manipulated by politicians. Geoff Jenkins, head of Britain's Hadley Center for Climate Predictio= n=20 and Research, and a leading figure in IPCC, said: "To say that politicians=20 wrote the summary report of the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change i= s=20 rubbish." Computer models used by scientists say warming in the atmosphere=20 should reflect changes in ground temperatures. The discrepancy needs to be resolved, Mr. Singer said. "We don't=20 believe it invalidates the models' predictions of the future. But it's a wea= kn ess, and we need to sort it out." Patrice Hill contributed to this article from The Hague. All site contents copyright =A9 2000 News World Communications, Inc. - --------------- Ole Fjord Larsen, your points would have assumed grandeur and faux factualit= y=20 had not been for your transparent pro-European mega-corporate bias! You blame the USA, Canada, Japan and Australia for your obvious ignorance of= =20 climatological changes, eh? Had you, and your united cohorts, gone to your=20 respective history classes and absorbed the lessons well, you should have=20 learned that the Ice Age ended, the various continental deserts came about a= s=20 saharas, the dinosaurs gone extinct.... sans human causes! Even the biblical= =20 Great Deluge wasn't a direct cause of mankind's penchant for=20 industrialization. If you are really non-partisan in your views, you should have included Europ= e=20 as the primal culprit of industrial wastes because Western Europe was the=20 foremost industrial base long before there was ever a USA, Japan, Canada or=20 Australia! And in the 20th century to this very moment, Eastern Europe is a=20 bastion of industrial trash due to irresponsible industrialization efforts i= n=20 the name of socialism gone berserk! In your apparent glee to lay blame on us while obviously excluding your=20 liberal consorts, you even fail mention of today's Communist China, the prim= a=20 donna of today's gross polluters in terms of industry, national security and= =20 weapons trade! You must be a paid agent provocateur, Ole Fjord Larsen! And you are not doin= g=20 your job very well. I thus ask you gently to cease and desist prosecuting=20 your amoral operations. Tell you what.... I'll clean up my act, and I'll ask all I know to do theirs= =20 as well. And you.. well, you are spewing much too much propagandistic=20 pollutants you need to clean up your act at once! Meanwhile, please read the opposing views of really learned docents of the=20 global issue, in hopes you may just discern that your basis for political=20 being is, for lack of more apropos adjective, bogus. - --peccavi - --------------- In a message dated 11/25/00 5:36:09 AM, secr@unitedpeoples.net writes: << Each day of the year presents its own climatic catastrophe some place on=20 the planet, caused by the CO2 emission in the industrialized countries, firs= t=20 of all the absolute leading champion in crimes against nature and humanity,=20 USA. These catastrophes of course do not touch the hearts of the responsible=20 corporate gangsters, their mass media monopoly and their governments in USA,= =20 Canada, Australia and Japan.=20 They don't have to live on inundated Pacific islands or overpopulated=20 lowlands in Bangladesh, Mozambique, etc. The only positive outcome of the Hague summit has been the complete isolatio= n=20 of the US gangster coalition. All other countries have been attending in=20 order to save the survival of the planet. Let us use this fact to retaliate the culprits on their only one concern:=20 their mega profits ! All peoples of the world, boycott all products from these 4 countries ! ! ! Besides taking this opportunity to start priortizing locally produced goods,= =20 all peoples should substitute the products normally bought from the 4=20 gangster countries by products from other countries ! This unfortunately will benefit the European corporations. But in the presen= t=20 situation where our very survival is at stake, we have to play the predators= =20 out against each other. Ole Fjord Larsen Secretary, The United Peoples http://www.unitedpeoples.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 00 16:44:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: Concede the election! It's over!] (fwd) On Nov 27, STF wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Autoresponder@WhiteHouse.GOV Subject: Re: Concede the election! It's over! Sender: White.House.Mail.Relay.Autoresponder@dan.xtn.net To: TNT@washington.xtn.net Thank you for writing to President Clinton via electronic mail. Since June 1993, the President has received over 2.8 million messages from people across the country and around the world. Online communication has become a tool to bring government and the people closer together. Because so many of you write, the President cannot personally review each message, though he does receive samples of his incoming correspondence. The White House Correspondence staff helps him read and respond to the mail. All responses are mailed via the U.S. Postal Service. This is the only electronic message you will receive from whitehouse.gov. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 00 16:42:07 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: IBT - scam? (fwd) On Nov 27, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] LETTER Picketing Reveals Scam in Seizure of Church Property Day ten at Indianapolis Baptist Temple: We're still here! Where are the marshals? Friends, it has been 10 days since the Indianapolis Baptist Temple was ordered to vacate their 22-acre, 50-year old church and Christian school. Christians continue to come to take a stand with the church. A core group of about 40 people has stayed around the clock since the Vacate Order on November 14th. There are many pastors and ministers from around the country who have come and gone (and come back). The number of folks here swells to as much as 1,000 on Sunday to a low of 50 some nights. The Indianapolis Star quoted head U.S. Marshal (a Baptist deacon) as saying in regard to the Baptist Temple "There is no right way to do a wrong thing"! Clearly he is conflicted and convicted. STUNNING DISCOVERY OF POSSIBLE CORRUPTION! I sent a team of picketers to the offices of the Receiver appointed by Judge Sarah Evans Barker to dispose of the property. When our picketers arrived, they decided to go up and ask some questions. When they arrived at the door, they saw only a sign for a law practice, and no sign for Atlantic Liquidators. After a discussion with one of the attorneys there, it was revealed that this corporation was set up SOLELY for the case of Indianapolis Baptist Temple! Also, the attorney handling the case had "moved on", and "nobody" was handling the matter as far as they knew! A visit to the Federal District Court House web site revealed that "someone" from Atlantic Liquidators had posted a notice saying that they were "refusing" the case! So, a company that no longer exists has refused a case that it was SPECIFICALLY FORMED FOR. This company was SPECIALLY PICKED BY JUDGE BARKER! How did she know about it? Who recommended this company to the Judge? Who benefits from the sale of the property? The local media has picked up this story and is running with it. The Marshal may reconsider seizing the church with the cloud of corruption hanging over the whole affair. We have learned that the IRS COMMONLY SETS UP BOGUS COMPANIES to receive property that it is seizing. This means the IRS gets ALL of the money involved, they pay no percentages to liquidators. This is BIG money. We are talking about some percentage of $6 million!! It is documented that the IRS has done this over 300 times in the last 5 years, in the state of California alone! PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRAY!! PLEASE COME TO INDIANAPOLIS AND STAND WITH INDIANAPOLIS BAPTIST TEMPLE!! My wife Beverly and my nine children arrived safely Tuesday night. We had a wonderful Thanksgiving together. Many families have come through here, some just staying for a day or two, and some staying a week. EVERY PERSON COUNTS AS WE STAND FOR THE CHURCH AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT WHO CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY OVER HER!! That is truly what is at stake here. The government claims sovereignty over all churches (not just the ones that are corporations and subject to corporate law). The government is trampling the very right that the first clause of the First Amendment was written to establish permanently in America--THAT THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS A SOVEREIGN ENTITY THAT IS UNTOUCHABLE BY THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT. To whom is a tax paid? Obviously, to one who has POWER OVER YOU to enforce it. The government has NEVER had authority over the church. They are breaking new and dangerous ground here. PLEASE COME AND STAND WITH US!! For daily updates on the situation, check IBT's web site: http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com If you are with the media and would like to do an interview concerning this situation, call me at: 540/730-4427. For information or directions, call Indianapolis Baptist Temple at: (317)783-6753 If you cannot come, but would like to help our family with the expenses associated with this prolonged stand, reply to this email, and we will send instructions. We really could use some help as we did not expect this to drag on this long. A servant of Christ Rev. Bruce Evan Murch For background on who we are: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/CommercialSt/y2kwater/AboutUs.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 00 16:45:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion (fwd) On Nov 27, DAnde1706@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 11/26/00 1:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, AWright191 writes: << Subj: [FriendsofLiberty] Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion Date: 11/26/00 1:18:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: dhs6022@surfree.com (DjL) Reply-to: FriendsofLiberty@egroups.com To: bob_graham@graham.senate.gov (Senator Bob Graham) http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich1.html Please Support LewRockwell.com By Patronizing Our Advertisers Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion by Dale Steinreich The recent citizen rebellion in Miami-Dade county is a good lesson for America's gun owners, that is, if they're willing to learn how to effectively neutralize the steadily encroaching tyranny of the American central state. Some background: Miami-Dade's canvassing board refused to manually recount its ballots but reversed itself on November 17 because of threats of legal action by the Gore campaign. The Miami-Dade manual recount began on November 20. The following night (November 21) the Florida Supreme Court issued a deadline of 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 26, for all manual recounts to be finished. The next morning, Wednesday November 22, the Miami-Dade canvassing board decided that it did not have enough time to meet the 5-day Thanksgiving-weekend deadline for hand counting 654,000 ballots. Instead, it decided it would hand count only 10,750 votes that had been rejected by voting-counting machines. Keep in mind, there had been controversy about these 10,000 votes. One Miami-Dade poll worker insisted that these ballots had been discarded by voters who had been at first confused by the notorious "butterfly" ballot. These confused voters asked for another ballot, punched the new ballot correctly, and then left. Meanwhile, the old ballots were kept, and they accumulated into this pool of 10,000. Hence counting these double-punched and hanging-chad ballots was not an enfranchisement of confused voters but a double-counting intended to favor Al Gore. Reinforcing this perception of a rigged process was the further decision by the Miami-Dade canvassing board to close the manual recount to the public. In an uncharacteristically courageous fashion, the county Republican party swung its phone bank into action, calling all their voters to swarm the Stephen C. Clark Government Center to protest the venal ruling. The staunchly anti-communist Radio Mambi drummed up an additional few hundred protesters. The last straw for the inchoate junta came when Joe Geller, the chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, left one of the counting rooms with a disputed ballot in his pocket and proceeded to move behind closed doors. He was quickly surrounded by protesters and ordered to surrender the ballot. Police had to intervene to escort him to safety. Upstairs the real revolution began. The protesters stormed the office of the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections. It took several minutes for sheriff's deputies to restore order, but even they couldn't stop the deafening pounding and chanting on the election supervisor's doors: "Cheat, Cheat, Cheat, Cheat,..." The three members of the canvassing board were then led under heavy police guard back to the original public recount room from the room where they were conducting their secret tally for the minions of Al Gore. They then voted unanimously to stop all further hand counts. Although the Gore campaign tried to force the Miami-Dade board to resume a hand count, on Thanksgiving the Florida Supreme Court denied it. It was a tremendous blow from which the incipient junta could never recover. This local uprising by ordinary citizens backed into a corner by an insatiably corrupt establishment could be a valuable lesson for America's gun owners, the group most loathed and despised by the establishment's elite. Particularly backed into a corner are California gun owners. Under the recently passed law SB23, by December 31, 2000, if Californians own an "assault weapon," they have to do one of three things: register the gun with the California Department of Justice as an "assault weapon," sell the gun(s) to out-of-state buyer(s), or physically remove the gun(s) from the State of California. For "assault weapon" owners, failure to pursue one of these options is a felony offense. Of course SB23 is just another chapter in the campaign against semi-automatic rifles. It was begun in January 1989 by George Bush Sr. who banned imports of semi-automatics after a school shooting in Stockton, California. The second major chapter was written under Bill Clinton in Title XI of the Omnibus Crime Act of 1994, banning further production of "assault weapons." Gun producers found a way around the law by manufacturing guns with American-made receivers and imported parts sets. The price of semi-automatic rifles dropped precipitously, with AK-47s selling for just $286.00, down from $800-$1,200 in 1994. On August 18, 2000, a legal committee at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms put an end to this by forbidding further importation of parts sets. The next chapter in the war on the semi-automatic rifle will likely be written by either George W. Bush or Al Gore since neither of them has an ounce of respect for the Second Amendment. George W. Bush is in favor of banning importation of foreign-made, high-capacity magazines. Al Gore, while mouthing a phony respect for hunters' rights, would nationalize SB23. SB23 is only Title XI of the 1994 Crime Act in much more despotic garb. It even bans guns with thumbhole stocks (an artifact of the 1989 George Bush Sr. ban) and the capability of accepting detachable magazines. Even banned are rifles with fixed magazines that happen to be less than 30 inches in length. In the most crime-ridden urban areas, semi-automatic rifles have never been involved in more than 2% of shooting deaths. Study after study has shown that the recent drop in violent crime has no correlation with recent gun control efforts, yet the campaign against semi-automatic rifles continues unabated and at a fanatical pace. The ultimate intellectual origin of this push to completely ban the semi-automatic rifle is federal law enforcement agencies, most notably the US Marshalls, FBI, BATF, and DEA. The continued push to ban semi-automatic rifles by these agencies signifies a very sinister future they (and the elite they represent) have in mind for the rest of us. Which brings us back to the Miami-Dade rebellion. California gun owners shouldn't obey the registration requirements of SB23. Who owns which particular guns is none of the government's business and registration is only a prelude to confiscation. In deference to states' rights, California gun owners should vote with their feet, not just storing their guns at warehouses in Nevada or Arizona, but moving there as well. The real problem is when the complete ban on semi-automatic rifles moves to the federal level. A George W. Bush presidency would help the process along while a Gore presidency would quickly complete it. Like the Miami-Dade rebellion showed, the solution is at the local level. Local officials must be made to understand that if they genuflect to the totalitarian agendas of outsiders they will pay a price. Freedom-loving Americans in local communities must form a united front in large numbers to consistently impart this lesson to local officials. Even citizens of other local communities could help out a community under siege. Quick mobilization efforts could take place over cell phones, faxes, e-mail, and local talk radio as happened in Miami-Dade. It's doubtful that the 1993 federal massacre of 82 people at Waco or the wanton murder of Randy Weaver's wife and son could have occurred with such impunity in an environment of quick and heavy local mobilization. Indeed, the feds and their propaganda arm in the national media could have been handily run out of town. Three cheers to the patriots of Miami-Dade. Hopefully their model will inspire the rest of us. November 25, 2000 Dale Steinreich, PhD, is a consulting economist. He is also a regular contributor to AgainstTheCrowd.com. (I'll still take Bush. Make Patriots of your neighbors, get the numbers of local news outlets and keep them handy. Prepare for the freedom thieves, sooner or later they will come.) David Lewellyn [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:38:27 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: Better Look out, better not cry, the Pres is coming to town His holiness, the special divine to the United States, on loan from himself, the Honorable William Jefferson Clinton is coming to Nebraska. On December 8, 2000, his esteemable self, will honor Nebraska with his graceful presence at Kearney, Nebraska. He will speak at the University and will tour the Great River Road Arch. I think that all of those who love life and liberty and are within 300 miles of Kearney on that day should make a special effort to be there to make his wonderful visit significantly memorable. Donlan, you and your lovers of life could do something special. If there are a significant number of turkey hunters present we could form the Monica choir. A contingent of duck hunters could form a chamber group and commemorate our awesome leaders military record with a Duck anthem. Do any of you receiving this e-mail have any ideas? Can you get on board now and help to plan, promote and recruit? December 8 is just around the corner. We need to get at this. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me know. This is a startling great opportunity. El Supremo has never been to Nebraska. Let's work to make this a speicial memory for him and let the rest of our great country know how much we love him. Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 00 13:21:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Supreme Court Strikes Down Drug Roadblocks (fwd) On Nov 28, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Tuesday November 28 2:40 PM ET Supreme Court Strikes Down Drug Roadblocks By James Vicini WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) on Tuesday declared unconstitutional police roadblocks set up to catch drug offenders, ruling they violate privacy rights of innocent motorists. In an important victory for advocates of civil liberties, the high court by a 6-3 vote ruled against Indianapolis, where police had erected the roadblocks to stop all motorists in an effort to halt the flow of illegal drugs through the city. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor declared for the court majority that the drug checkpoints violated the constitutional guarantees under the Fourth Amendment protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures of evidence. O'Connor said the ruling does not affect other roadblocks, which the court has previously held to be constitutional, to detect drunken drivers and to intercept illegal immigrants being smuggled across the U.S. border by car. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001128/ts/court_roadblocks_dc_4.html - -- Bob Mueller If tin whistles are made of tin, what are basketballs made of? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #404 *************************