From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #406 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, December 8 2000 Volume 02 : Number 406 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 00 15:27:07 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: New Party to Embrace Activist Role (fwd) On Dec 4, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.friendsofliberty.com/00508_00.htm The Texas Regional Manager of the newly formed United American Party is hoping to revive a petition to rescind the War Emergency Powers Act. On March 6, 1933, a declaration of emergency was created--which means the Constitution had been suspended and it remains suspended to this day. Franklin D. Roosevelt's first phase was installed after this Resolution was adopted By The Federal Reserve Board Of New York. Whereas, in the opinion of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the continued and increasing withdrawal of currency and gold from the banks of the country now has created a national emergency. Roosevelt created a banking holiday and when the banks opened there was no gold in the Reserves banks. Where had the gold gone? It was moved offshore, and was no longer in the country. At this point, the banks and surrounding areas were put under full military control. The amended 1918 war powers act, when describing trading with the enemy had before excluded Citizens. Now they where included. Shortly thereafter the Treasurer issued a statute that private ownership by the citizens of gold coin or bullion was not allowed. Any one found in possession could be fined $10,000.00 and 10 years in the Federal penitentiary. Gold certificates and gold coins vanished over night. Federal Reserve Bank Notes appeared mysteriously already in existence. J. Edgar Hoover estimated that the money exchangers made a 60% profit in this transition. Roosevelt with every turn of events claimed that there was a threat, and increased his already vast power to stomp on our Constitution. He made an executive order that stated that any proclamation made by the president of treasurer was law immediately and did not need authorization by congress. This one he sealed our legal fate with, declaring that only the President by proclamation could remove the emergency powers act. The exact same act and amendments, along with many others are still in place. We do not know freedom because we have never experience it. If we allow this thing to go on we will be slaves of the very families whom the pilgrims and the other settlers fled from. In the state of Texas, Republican Resolution #5 reads: Whereas, there has occurred continuous breach of trust, duty and obligation imposed under authority of the Constitution for the United States of America, resulting in a continued abridgment of the Rights, Privileges, Immunities, and the Liberties of Citizens and others, all committed under pretense of a continuing national crisis and furtherance of emergency conditions. The end demanded the termination by proclamation of the president to end the act. Just as all of the other studies and resolutions all have shown the Constitution no longer an instrument used by our government. Past and incumbent Presidents when told they should rescind the act refused to. It is now left up to We the People. I hope that the efforts of volunteers and elected officials we contact can persuade Mr. Bush to make us proud. Let him be the one who by presidential proclamation restores freedom to our country. One other point to make--where is our gold? We do need you to help. I believe that if we do not end this soon it will never happen. You owe it to yourself your loved ones and your Country to make this work. For too long the patriot community has lead solitary pockets of protest. Stand and make this count. It is the single most important obstacle to overcome if we are not going to let America die. For those who wish to donate, you may send donations to the address listed below. We have an opportunity with President elect Bush. He is a member of the GOP from Texas who fathered Resolution #5 and should, as a servant of the people, do his duty. If he will not, then the cards of his master are on the table for everyone to see. Make checks payable to James M. Morgan, TUAP Regional Manager Texas United America Party 900 Broken Feather Trail #299 Pflugerville, Texas 78660 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 00 06:33:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Ron Paul on Federal Police........... (fwd) On Dec 4, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Disturbing Trend Toward Federal Police by Congressman Ron Paul http://www.house.gov/paul/ The House of Representatives recently approved a mas- sive appropriations bill that will fund various Treasury Department agencies at record spending levels. The bill appropriates nearly 30 billion dollars, an increase over last year's already huge Treasury budget. More disturbing, however, is the whopping 23% increase in funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) contained in the Treasury bill. ATF gets more than $730 million dollars for fiscal year 2001, an increase of $166 million over its 2000 budget. Why the increase? The administration wants the agency to hire 600 new federal police officers to enforce ever-expanding gun laws. Never mind the obvious failures of gun control legislation and the clear Second Amendment prohibition against such laws. The politicians in Washington are deter- mined to slowly abolish gun rights, and they are determined to use federal police to accomplish the task. The American public gradually has become aware of the disturbing trend toward federal policing of our nation. Many Americans do not support ATF, especially after the disastrous events at Waco. I was widely attacked in the media and by members of Congress for questioning the gover- nment's actions at Waco, and for merely suggesting that many Americans were concerned by the possibility of federal agents taking violent action against American citizens. Now we have Congress spending more money to increase the budget for ATF, despite its highly questionable actions and the resulting public mistrust of the agency. It is important to recognize that our federal constitu- tion lists only three federal crimes, namely counterfeiting, treason, and piracy on the high seas. The founding fathers never envisioned a federal police force, knowing that such a force would trample on the right of each state to enact and enforce its own criminal laws. Hence there is no provision for the creation of a general federal police force in the enumeration of congressional powers. Furthermore, the 10th amendment explicitly reserves the general police power to the states individually. Washington politicians, however, have no interest in constitutional limitations when they seek to expand and consolidate their power by federalizing whole areas of criminal activity. They have consistently expanded federal criminal laws, particularly in the areas of drugs and firearms. The result of this expansion is the inevitable call for more federal police to enforce the new laws. We are told we need more ATF agents to monitor fire- arms, and more DEA agents to wage the "war on drugs." Con- gress is not concerned with its lack of constitutional authority to create, much less expand a national police force. Washington politicians have successfully used recent excessive-force allegations against local police to further their goals. It is convenient to portray local police as violent or racist, and therefore in need of federal over- sight and restraint. The question, however, is whether we should trust a federal police force more than we trust our own local authorities. I believe there is a growing recog- nition that our founding fathers were correct when they prohibited federal government involvement in law enforce- ment. In Waco, Americans had a vivid example of the impact of the growing police state. With the veneer being stripped from the myth of federal law enforcement, our citizens are beginning to realize that it is both unconstitutional and untenable. http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst073100.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 00 06:35:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: more (fwd) On Dec 4, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Surprise, surprise, surprise! Even Gomer Pyle would have figured this out by now. < G > Question is will these other papers allow the message to get out? Back ( years ago ) when the NRA was still pro gun, their attempts at posting the truth were squashed. Huck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Aiello" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:49 AM Subject: more > CORRUPTION IN NATIONAL PRESS > Voter fraud covered up by major media > > By David M. Bresnahan > © InvestigativeJournal.com > > Chris Ruddy, publisher of NewsMax.com, announced plans to tell the > country > that the media have failed to report widespread voter fraud and > corruption. > > In a letter to readers of his paper, Ruddy said: "We have been warning > our > readers for some time that the Clinton-Gore crowd will do anything to > win." He said Gore will stop at nothing to reverse the apparent victory > of > George W. Bush. > > He went on to say that the major media is helping Gore. > > "We now know just how serious the media's underhanded coverage of the > Bush > DUI story played in the elections," said Ruddy. He said the media have > virtually ignored rampant voter fraud in all parts of the country, and > particularly in south Florida. > > NewsMax.com wants to expose the truth to the American people right now, > but publishing their findings only at NewsMax.com will not bring the > truth > to enough people. Ruddy announced that he will buy full-page ads in > national papers and print the truth for all to see. > > "We want to tell the public the facts. As you may know, NewsMax.com was > the first and only media entity to report, while Election Day voting was > > occurring, that the Broward County GOP had just put out a press release > noting massive Democrat vote fraud in and around Ft. Lauderdale. > > "We need your help to inform the American people. We are asking your > help > for contributions for this worthy cause. > > "We want to put the major media on notice that people like you and new > media like NewsMax.com are on alert to the fraud being perpetrated upon > the American people. > > "The media fear NewsMax.com. That's why people like you have made us > their > top destination on the Web. We have already been rated #1 by Deja.com > and > the Wall Street Journal Business Report, and Talkers magazine has said > we > are among the nation's leading alternative Web sites. > > "Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is > a > board member of NewsMax.com. He says it's the 'best web site for news in > > America.' > > "NewsMax.com needs your help to remind America that there is more at > stake > here than the election of a president. The future of our country hangs > in > the balance. > > "We want to start by placing ads in major papers like the New York Times > > and other national publications. We will even buy national TV time if we > > receive enough support. > > "No matter what the outcome of this election, we will continue this > national campaign to expose the media bias and voter fraud we have > witnessed this year. > > "You can help us now by filling out the form below to contribute to our > campaign fund." > > To read the full letter from Chris Ruddy, and to make a donation to help > > place ads in papers across America, please click the link below. > > URGENT. CLICK HERE > http://www.newsmax.com/election-Bresnahan.shtml > > PLEASE COPY THIS MESSAGE AND SEND TO EVERYONE ON ALL YOUR VARIOUS LISTS. > > DO NOT WAIT. HELP IS NEEDED NOW > > "Investigative Journal Alert" Email: David@Bresnahan.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 00 06:31:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: RNC Accuses Gore of Tampering with Electors (fwd) On Dec 5, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "spiker" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: RNC Accuses Gore of Tampering with Electors RNC Accuses Gore of Tampering with Electors http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/23/103708.shtml NewsMax.com http://www.newsmax.com/ Thursday, Nov. 23, 2000 In an urgent e-mail sent out to approximately 1 million Republicans, Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson claims that Al Gore is tampering with the Electoral College. Nicholson says Gore's operatives have even begun doing background checks on Republican electors. Here is the text of the Nicholson e-mail: Al Gore is attempting to reverse the outcome of the election by any means necessary. That includes tampering with the Electoral College itself. Democrat operatives have begun clandestine background checks on Republican electors already certified from the 29 states George W. Bush won on November 7. They are looking for ways to persuade - or intimidate - Republican electors into changing their votes. With Florida's 25 electoral votes, George W. Bush has a total of 271 electoral votes. (270 are needed to win.) That means a shift of three would give Al Gore a majority - and there are people in Gore's camp who seem to think private investigators can sway enough votes to win. This is outrageous. Already Al Gore has flooded Florida with lawyers, attempting to win in court what he lost at the ballot box. He is pushing for partisan, rigged recounts in Democrat-controlled counties. He is demanding that Florida's election laws be junked so Democrat judges can impose a brand new, ad hoc system to accommodate the Democrats' frantic legal maneuvers. Now the Gore camp is tampering with Electors. Al Gore will do anything to win. I've attached a Wall Street Journal report on the Democrats' undercover assault on Republican electors. Read it and draw your own conclusions. This election should be OVER. Because Al Gore refuses to accept the results, the fight continues. The RNC is working to defend the integrity of the vote, not only in Florida but also in other close states like Oregon, Wisconsin and New Mexico as well. We will fight this to the end, and we are confident we will prevail. But we need your help. We realize that we have asked a great deal from you in the past few days, but the future of our country may well be at stake. We need to squelch this effort to steal Republican votes in the Electoral College in its infancy. The Democrat Electoral College tampering is being led by Bob Beckel, who you may remember as Walter Mondale's campaign manager in 1984. Below is Mr. Beckel's contact information. Please contact him and express your outrage at his low-handed tactics. Bob Beckel & Associates 1501 Lee Highway, Suite 200 Arlington, VA 22209 Phone: 703.841.0600 Fax: 703.841.1115 In addition, please do the following five things to help. Your efforts could help make the difference: 1) If you haven't done so already, take a minute to make a contribution to the RNC to help defend the integrity of the electoral process . . . 2) Call, e-mail and write your local elected officials, Democrats and Republicans. Let them know that this recent ploy by the Gore campaign is an outrageous attempt to undercut our Constitutional Democracy . . . 3) Call your local talk radio show or TV news show and raise these issues. 4) Write a letter to the editor of your local, regional or national newspapers on these subjects. 5) Finally, send this e-mail on to your own e-mail list - to all of your friends and neighbors who are interested in knowing the truth about what is going on in Florida. The situation we face is unprecedented. The presidency and the course of our nation for the next four years hang in the balance. . . . Jim Nicholson Chairman Republican National Committee http://www.rnc.org NewsMax.com has run ads in the New York Times, USA Today and other major papers exposing Al Gore's election theft. Read NewsMax.com's urgent letter to its readers. If you have already contributed, you can do so again. Keep these ads running! Find out how you can help expose voter fraud and the stealing of the election. Click below https://www.newsmax.com/election.shtml [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 00 22:32:20 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Haven't seen this one yet... (fwd) On Dec 5, John Brautlacht wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sung to "The ballad of Jed Clampett"/Beverly Hillbillies theme song Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Gore A snippy Democrat, who was really quite a bore On election day of his Presidential bout He thought he lost the fight but he got to recount ballots that is... punch cards... butterflies Well the next thing you know they're countin' 'em again He lost a second time so he gave it all some spin They said Palm Beach is the place you oughta be So he hired legal experts from Tallahassee Florida that is... sunshine state... deadlocked Well the next thing you know they wanna change the rules And play around with votes cause they think we're friggin fools They riled lotsa folks and they made a lotta fuss Till Cheney came along and started kickin' butts Buttocks that is... liberal hineys... left-wing tuchas Al Gore whined that the system wasn't fair After countin' ballot holes that weren't even there Kate Harris said that the recount was a joke But that didn't stop the liberals from tallyin' votes Democrat votes that is... hangin' chad... dimpled ballots Well the State Supreme Court gave Gore another break They let him count again cause the party was at stake But just when he thought that his dream was born anew The overseas votes gave it all to dubaU George W that is... Texas Governor...President-elect Now it's time to say good-bye to Al and all his kin He tried to steal some votes but it didn't help him win You're all invited over to his house in Tennessee To sit around and blubber at his pity-parteeee Nashville that is... pout a while... have some sour grapes Ya'll have fun now... Ya Hear? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 00 04:08:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: VIN: -- armed guards at DMV (fwd) On Dec 8, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz And now ... armed guards at the DMV Constitutional authority for licensing cars and drivers is pretty tenuous, largely based on early legal sleight-of-hand designed to purposely confuse the excisable professional of "driving" -- hauling passengers or freight for profit on the public roads -- with simple civilian travel. The image is colorful -- the Slim Pickens "toll booth" scene from the Mel Brooks film "Blazing Saddles" comes to mind -- but there's no record that George Washington had to stop by each state capitol along his route, signing up for the 18th century equivalent a "photo ID" and a little metal plate to hang over his horse's rump, as he moved from Massachusetts through Connecticut, rushing to the defense of New York in 1776 and Philadelphia in 1777. In fact, drivers' licenses are thinly disguised police ID cards. (Does one forget how to drive when moving across town, or into another state? Then why isn't the license you got in another state the year you graduated from high school still as "good" as the high school diploma you earned that same year?) Yet we obligingly buy into the euphemism that the "customers" of the Department of Motor Vehicles want quick and efficient "service" when we go wait in line to renew these sundry government forms -- as though anyone would be buying this bill of goods, absent the armed and uniformed men who stand ready to handcuff us and impound our valuable vehicles if we're caught without our "papers, please." Now, some of the peons are apparently growing restless. Nevada Gov. Kenny Guinn said Monday that state workers fear for their lives because "patrons" at DMV offices are going ballistic when they're told -- after waiting in line for an average of more than an hour -- not only that they're being refused the routine paperwork they've come to pay for, but that their vehicles are instead going to be impounded for overdue traffic or parking tickets. DMV Director Richard Kirkland added that some victims have told his employees that they will be killed or that they should be looking over their shoulder when they leave work. "Some have been grabbed around the throat," he added. Oh, the humanity! The governor Monday asked members of the Legislature's Interim Finance Committee to provide funding for armed guards in the Las Vegas and Reno DMV offices, to keep these unruly peasants in line. Though it's tempting to suggest they be given MP-40 submachine guns and fancy black uniforms with silver skulls on the collars, the better to help everyone appreciate the true nature of the transaction being effected, in fact some better solutions are available: First, the American system of governance is based on carefully delineated lines of jurisdiction between the various levels of government -- one of many safeguards against a vertically integrated, Napoleonic tyranny. A state motor vehicle office has no more business withholding a state document from an otherwise qualified citizen based on non-payment of local or municipal parking tickets, than the U.S. State Department should be refusing us passports because our chicken coops are alleged to be in violation of some local zoning code. Yes, local judges have ruled that the state should impound the vehicles of drivers who ignore local parking tickets. The correct response from Gov. Guinn should be: "The judges have made their ruling; now let them try to enforce it. My guys aren't going to do it, because it's unconstitutional." (The "balance of powers" is supposed to allow any of the three branches to block an unconstitutional order from another -- otherwise we'd only need one branch of government: the courts.) In the meantime, though, statistics provided by the governor and his staff in the course of seeking funds for 64 new part-time workers in an effort to decrease waiting times at the DMV offices -- now averaging 79 minutes per victim at the Sahara office in Las Vegas -- should raise some eyebrows in their own right. In part because of a perverse incentive in state employee contracts which encourage workers to "use or lose" their "sick time," on any given day 30 percent of employees are absent from their posts in the Henderson, Carey Avenue and West Flamingo Road DMV offices, the governor's staff revealed. While on East Sahara, the average rate of absenteeism is a whopping 49 percent. Couple this with the astonishingly inefficient hunt-and-peck methods of data entry which citizens are witnessing when they finally do reach the front of the lines, and it's small wonder tempers are near the breaking point. "The way that the sick time pay is structured is one of the things that we're looking at very closely," the governor's spokesmen, Jack Finn, told me Tuesday. And will the governor be looking at getting his DMV workers out of the job of impounding autos to enforce municipal parking tickets? "That's something we're looking at. It's something we're very seriously studying," Finn says. The long-term solution, of course, is to abandon the whole system -- allow Nevada's citizens to travel the highways as they please without any government "licenses," "registrations" or "permits." But until the governor finds the political courage to take that obvious step toward restoring one of our most basic freedoms, one further thing does come to mind: Employers in the private sector seem to have no problem hiring employees who can type 60 words per minute, and who actually show up for work a lot more often then 51 percent of the time, for as little as 10 bucks an hour. The governor might want to "seriously study" firing the entire current DMV staff, and replacing them with Kelly Girls. Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and editor of Financial Privacy Report (952-895-8757.) His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at 1-800-244-2224. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right." -- Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926) "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 00 04:10:28 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 35,000 veterans to get nerve agent (Sarin) notice (fwd) On Dec 6, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: 35,000 veterans to get nerve agent notice Date: 12/6/00 6:03:41 PM CDT From: docucine@flash.net (Tony Myrick) 35,000 veterans to get nerve agent notice Tuesday, 5 December 2000 17:16 (ET) 35,000 veterans to get nerve agent notice By PAMELA HESS WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 (UPI) -- The Pentagon is notifying approximately 35,000 Gulf War veterans Tuesday that they may have been exposed to low levels of a nerve agent in March 1991 when an Army unit destroyed a cache of Iraqi rockets packed with sarin and cyclosarin, according to Bernard Rostker, the special assistant for Gulf War illnesses, medical readiness and military deployments. It also is sending letters to around 32,000 veterans to tell them new computer simulations of the resulting plume of sarin shows they were probably not in its path, contradicting what the Pentagon said in 1997. Advances in computer simulation, better intelligence on the chemical weapons involved, better understanding of how they are affected by wind, and a more thorough accounting of where U.S. troops were in Kuwait and Iraq on March 11, 12 and 13 1991, have convinced the Pentagon that the information it provided to veterans three years ago was inaccurate. "These are still simulations, these are not ground truths," said Rostker. "This is the best we can do based upon our understanding" of the weather, where soldiers were located and the nature of the chemicals. Rostker also conceded they were rushed to put out answers in 1997 by the president's commission on the Gulf War illness. The commission threatened to notify nearly everyone who fought in the war of possible exposure if the Pentagon was not completed with its work by a certain date, according to Rostker. The sarin -- the same nerve agent that killed Japanese subway riders in an attack by a religious cult -- was released when soldiers of the 18th Airborne Corps conducted two large-scale operations to destroy the munitions and facilities around Khamisiyah in southern Iraq in March 1991. Rostker says there is still no known correlation between those in the path of the sarin plume and those reporting Gulf War illness. Moreover, only 26 of 8,000 veterans in the path of the plume who responded to an earlier health survey were determined to have shown even mild symptoms of sarin exposure. Rostker says the levels of sarin immediately around U.S. soldiers never reached sufficient concentrations to trip alarms or to affect soldiers in a noticeable way. The toxicity and size of the plume was measured in the simulation at approximately 1.5 meters off the ground. "The great enigma of Khamisiyah is if we had a release-of-chemical event, why is it we had no alarms going off?" Rostker said. "We didn't have troops in the area where they would have been exposed (to the point) they would have felt something or tripped alarms." On March 4, soldiers destroyed 37 large ammunition bunkers, one of which - -- Bunker 73 -- contained 2,160 rockets packed with chemical agents. The Pentagon says no soldiers were exposed to chemicals in that operation. But on March 10 soldiers destroyed 40 additional bunkers and 45 warehouses and blew up approximately 1,250 rockets, which U.N. inspectors later determined contained sarin and cyclosarin. Cyclosarin is two to three times more deadly than sarin, according to Rostker. The CIA now estimates that 320 kilograms of the two agents - about three-quarters of it sarin and the rest cyclosarin -- were dispersed into the air and ground when 225 of the rockets were blown up. That's down from estimates in 1997 that put the release at 715 kilograms and 500 rockets. However, because of the newly acknowledged presence of cyclosarin, the relative toxicity and mass of the cloud remained about the same. But the Pentagon believes that the plume's shape and movement was considerably different than what it had thought, encompassing 33,000 new troops to the east but losing 32,000 on the west side of Khamisiyah. The total number of troops affected is now just over 100,923, rather than the 98,910 estimated three years ago. "There is no benefit to the vets in terms of their treatment whether or not they were under the plume," said Rostker. "We are providing the information for future (health treatment) for vets. It has no practical value in terms of getting compensation," he said. About 1,100 veterans will get a letter informing them that while they were told they were not exposed to the gas, the new models show they might have been. That letter reads, in part, "In 1997, I notified you that if you were with your unit between March 10-13, 1991, you were not exposed even to a very low level of chemical agent as a result of the demolition of munitions at Khamisiyah, Iraq ... The models now predict that if you were with your unit at the time of the demolition at Khamisiyah, you may, indeed, have been exposed to very low levels of chemical agent for a brief period of time (less than three days) after the demolition." But for 33,000 veterans, Tuesday's letter will be the first time they are hearing from Rostker about the nerve gas. Defense Department records failed to indicate they were in the area during the plume. It was only by correlating the diaries of soldiers that fought in the Gulf war that the Pentagon was able to identify all the units serving around Khamisiyah. More than 66,000 of the veterans notified in 1997 of their possible exposure will be notified that despite the new models they were still in the path of the plume. About 110,000 veterans of the Gulf War self-report symptoms of the illness known as the Gulf War Syndrome, the cause of which has still not been identified. Most are diagnosed with other health problems. But about 10,000 to 20,000 have unexplained illnesses that the Defense Department considers to be Gulf War Syndrome sufferers. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 00 04:12:14 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: WC: Midweek Humor (fwd) On Dec 06, Mike Riddle wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Response to the Queen's revocation of our Independence To the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, We welcome your concern about our electoral process. It must be exciting for you to see a real Republic in action, even if from a distance. As always we're amused by your quaint belief that you're actually a world power. The sun never sets on the British Empire! Right-o chum! However, we regretfully have to decline your offer for intervention. On the other hand, it would be amusing to see you try to enforce your new policy (for the 96.3% of you that seem to have forgotten that you have little to no real power). After much deliberation, we have decided to continue our tradition as the longest running democratic republic. It seems that switching to a monarchy is in fact considered a "backwards step" by the majority of the world. To help you rise from your current anachronistic status, we have compiled a series of helpful suggestions that we hope you adopt: 1. Realize that language is an organic structure, and that you aren't always correct in your pronunciation or spelling. Let's use your "aluminium" example. Sir Humphrey Davy (an Englishman) invented the name "aluminum" (note spelling) for the metal. However, in common usage the name evolved into "aluminium" to match the naming convention of other elements. In 1925 the United States decided to switch back to the _original spelling and pronunciation of the word, at which point we dominated the aluminum industry. We'd also like to point out that the process of actually producing aluminum was developed by an American and a Frenchman (not an Englishman). However, we'd like to thank you for the Oxford English Dictionary. It's an interesting collection, considering that over 10,000 of the words in the original edition were submitted by a crazy American civil-war veteran called Dr. William Charles Minor. 2. Learn to distinguish the American and Canadian accents, and then we'll talk about the English and Australian accent issue. 3. Review your basic arithmetic. (Hint 100 - 98.85 = 1.15 and 100 - 97.85 = 2.15) 4. If you want English actors as good guys, then make your own movies. Don't rely on us for your modern popular culture. We liked "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels", "Trainspotting", and "The Full Monty". We've also heard good things about this "Billy Elliot". But one good movie a year doesn't exactly make a cultural powerhouse. However, you're doing pretty well with music, so keep up the good work on that front. 5. It's inefficient to have a national anthem that changes its title whenever your monarch dies. Let's not forget that your national anthem has an extremely boring tune. We suggest switching to that Rule Brittania ditty, it's toe tapping. Or maybe Elton John could adapt "Candle In The Wind" again for you guys. 6. Improve at your national sport. Football? Soccer? This just in: United States gets fourth place in men's soccer at the 2000 Summer Olympics. United Kingdom? Not even close. By the way, impressive showing at Euro 2000. You almost managed to get through the tournament without having your fans start an international incident. 7. Learn how to cook. England has some top notch candy. Salt 'n' Vinegar chips are quite yummy. However, there's a reason why the best food in your country is Indian or Chinese. Your contributions to the culinary arts are soggy beans, warm beer, and spotted dick. Perhaps when you finally realize the French aren't the spawn of Satan they'll teach you how to cook. 8. You're doing a terrible job at understanding cars. The obvious error is that you drive on the wrong side of the road. A second problem is pricing, it's cheaper to buy a car in Belgium and ship it to England than to buy a car in England. On the other hand, we like Jaguars and Aston Martins. That's why we bought the companies. 9. We'll tell you who killed JFK when you apologize for "Teletubbies". Thank you for your time. You can now return to watching bad Australian soap operas. P.S. - regarding WW2: You're Welcome. ************************ Has anyone noticed that the last two states to declare in the elections, Oregon and Florida, are anagrams for 'NO GORE' and 'RID OF AL'? ************************** In olden times, it could be decades before major events were cast in verse. But The Great 2000 Election Controversy is so big that a bunch of all-star poets have come out of retirement to quickly set the story to rhyme. For starters, history buff Henry Wadsworth Longfellow: Listen, my children, don't dare ignore, The midnight actions of Bush and Gore In early November, the year ought-ought, Hard to believe the mess they wrought. Two billion bucks of campaign bounty All came down to Palm Beach County. What result could have been horrider Than the situation we found in Florider? Edgar Allen Poe is his usual gloomy self: Once upon a campaign dreary, one which left us weak and weary O'er many a quaint and curious promise of political lore While we nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a yapping, As of some votes overlapping, energy-zapping to the core "'Tis a mess here," we all muttered, as the network anchors stuttered, Stuttered over Bush and Gore. Could there be another election with such a case of misdirection, One with such a weak selection, yet fraught with tension to the core? Quoth the ravers, "Nevermore." Britain's Edward Lear's limerick is lighter: There once was a U S. election That called for some expert detection - How thousands of pollers Could become two-holers Like outhouses of recollection. Ditto Ogden Nash: I regret to admit that all my knowledge is What I learned at Electoral Colleges, So tell me please, though I hate to trouble ya, Will the winner be Al, or will it be Dubya? Joyce Kilmer's a media analyst: I thought that I would never see The networks all so up a tree. Walt Whitman is lyrical, as always: O' Captain! My Captain! our fearful trip's not done The ship has weather'd every rack, but nobody knows who's won. Alfred Noyes rhythmically rumbles: And still of an autumn night they say, with the White House on the line, When the campaign's a ghostly galleon and both candidates cry, "'Tis mine!" When the road is a ribbon of ballots, all within easy reach, A highwayman comes riding, Riding, Riding, A highwayman comes riding, and punches two holes in each. Dr. Seuss takes a look at election officials: I cannot count them in a box I cannot count them with a fox I cannot count them by computer I will not with a Roto-Rooter I cannot count them card-by-card I will not 'cause it's way too hard I cannot count them on my fingers I will not while suspicion lingers. I'll leave the country in a jam - I can't count ballots, Sam-I-Am. And finally, Clement Moore adopts a holiday theme: 'Twas the month before Christmas, when all through the courts, All the plaintiffs made stirring bad ballot reports. Which leaves the problem: Perhaps the best way to stop complaints that are raucous is Start over again, with the Iowa caucus. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #406 *************************