From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #407 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 02 : Number 407 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 00 04:09:20 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "Big Brother" In Your Right Seat..Welcome to 1984 (fwd) On Dec 7, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Tax man someday may ride with you Date: 12/7/00 6:21:48 PM CDT From: therepublican@ideasign.com (The Republican) http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-00/12-06-00/a03tr128.htm Tax man someday may ride with you By Larry Sandler, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel One day, perhaps, every car on the road will be equipped with a computer that uses satellite technology to record every mile you drive, and in which states and on which roads. Then the government will use that information to tax you for your driving. That day could be just five to 10 years away. Nine states and the federal government are paying for an $800,000 study of whether such a system could be created to replace the gas tax. If that sounds Orwellian to you, you're not alone. Wisconsin state Rep. Marlin Schneider, the Legislature's leading privacy advocate, calls the concept "a horrid idea. It is Big Brother in hearts, spades and clubs." Minnesota is leading the study, with funding from Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Kansas, North Carolina, Texas, Washington state and the Federal Highway Administration. Researchers and transportation officials agree privacy concerns are among the biggest issues that would have to be dealt with before the system could be put in place. But they're pressing ahead with the study, because they fear the growth of alternative-fuel cars could mean the end of the road for the gas tax. As a side benefit, they say the system would give every driver a satellite navigation unit and a way to call for help in an emergency. Such a system also could lower gas prices, eliminate toll booths and allow businesses to build and run highways, added David Forkenbrock, one of the researchers leading the 2-1/2-year study. Much of the technology already exists, in the form of the global positioning system units that have started to appear in cars. With GPS, a small computer in a car, boat or aircraft can use satellite signals to pinpoint the vehicle's location anywhere in the world, then find that location on a map and provide directions to any destination. People are using GPS units now to find their way through unfamiliar cities. But the devices could be modified to collect tax data as well, said Forkenbrock, director of the Public Policy Center at the University of Iowa. With the maps in the GPS unit's database, the on-board computer could keep a record of how many miles each car or truck traveled on each road in each state. Drivers could be required to periodically download that data to a government computer network, perhaps at terminals installed in gas stations, Forkenbrock said. Then a central government clearinghouse would analyze the data and mail all drivers bills assessing them a Wisconsin tax for miles driven in Wisconsin, an Illinois tax for miles driven in Illinois, etc. Some states might charge different rates for driving on interstate highways, local streets or other types of roads, Forkenbrock said. Fueling the study is the fear that states could run out of cash to build and maintain roads if they keep relying on the gas tax. "We know the gas tax is going to have increasing problems" as automakers produce more hybrid vehicles powered by a mixture of gas and electricity, alternative-fuel cars and other vehicles designed to get more mileage with less gas, Forkenbrock said. With gas taxes now reaping $50 billion a year for state and federal transportation departments nationwide, the rise of fuel-efficient vehicles "is a very serious threat to the state's capacity to provide adequate transportation," Forkenbrock said. "It would be irresponsible if we did not look at these long-term issues," said Adeel Lari, director of alternative transportation financing for the Minnesota Department of Transportation. Schneider says he has been warning road-builders for years that the gas tax may not be able to sustain the highways of the future. Still, he said, that's no excuse for what he calls "a massive invasion of privacy that I don't think Americans will accept." Forkenbrock is leading a team of lawyers and policy analysts examining the legal and governmental issues involved, while researchers at the University of Minnesota work on the technical details. To address the privacy concerns, Forkenbrock said, the computers could be set up to record information only in general terms -- not to keep track of exactly where drivers were at what time. States could set additional restrictions in the laws authorizing the system, such as prohibiting the information from being used for anything other than tax bills, he said. Because people are traveling on public roads in full view of everyone, gathering this information "is really not much of an invasion of privacy," Forkenbrock said. Schneider disagreed. For example, he said, a Wisconsin woman who drives to the Mayo Clinic for confidential treatment might not want to explain to her husband why they are being billed for travel in Minnesota. Privacy aside, cost would be another issue, both for states and individuals. Also, people who own older cars might be faced with bills of up to $2,000 to install GPS units, and that's a substantial sum for low-income residents, Lari noted. On the other hand, widespread use of this taxing system could mean that GPS units would become standard equipment on new cars, Forkenbrock said. That means everyone with a new car would have a "spectacularly good" satellite navigation unit, with a feature that could summon help in an emergency with one touch of a button, he said. "Public acceptance, I think, will hinge on what the public gets for this," Forkenbrock said. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 00 11:23:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Brain Fingerprinting on CBS 60 Minutes (fwd) On Dec 09, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ubject: [piml] Fwd: Brain Fingerprinting on CBS 60 Minutes Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: wilford bates To: truthsteward Brain Fingerprinting on CBS 60 Minutes This Sunday Evening You might be interested in watching the CBS 60 Minutes show this coming Sunday about Brain Fingerprinting. Brain Fingerprinting is a new forensic science technology that uses brain waves to detect whether or not a suspect has the details of a crime stored in his brain. Brain Fingerprinting has been 100% accurate in tests Dr. Lawrence Farwell conducted on FBI agents and tests he conducted for the CIA and the US Navy. The CBS 60 Minutes show will feature Dr. Farwell's recent application of Brain Fingerprinting in a murder case. Dr. Farwell recently testified in Iowa court regarding his Brain Fingerprinting test on inmate Terry Harrington, who has spent the last 23 years in prison for murder. Brain Fingerprinting showed that the record of the night of the crime stored in Harrington's brain did not match the crime scene, and did match his alibi. The CBS 60 Minutes show will air on Sunday at 7 PM Eastern Time (same as New York City / Washington D.C. Time). Check your local time for the CBS presentation and please pass this information to your associates. (Note: The date for the show is subject to change due to other ongoing national news events.) For additonal coverage of this highly effective, new technology - Brain Fingerprinting -, be sure to log-on to the Brain Fingerprinting website now: www.BrainWaveScience.com As the President and Founder of the Truth and Justice Foundation, a non-profit organization that seeks to provide state-of-the-art forensic testing to those in need, I have been most favorably impressed with the possibilities that Brain Fingerprinting, DNA, and other new technologies hold for determining the truth regarding crimes. I believe that Brain Fingerprinting tests, DNA tests, and other forensic tests have the potential: - - to revolutionize criminal justice systems around the world - - to help indigent defendants and inmates who claim innocence, and - - to improve the results of the professional services performed by all personnel involved in investigations, criminal justice, and other related fields. For details about Truth and Justice, please log-on to: http://www.truth-justice.org I hope this information proves useful to you. Sincerely, Nash O. Thompson II, PhD President and Chairman The Truth and Justice Foundation nashthomps@cs.com __________________________________ TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOUNDATION. To learn more about the Truth and Justice Foundation, please contact Nash Thompson and log-on to: http://www.truth-justice.org Also, log-on to www.eCharity.com and FIND (search for) The Truth and Justice Foundation. A full description of the Foundation is available at these sites. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 00 11:20:55 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: tea party II http://www.loudcitizen.com/Misc/teaparty.htm (fwd) On Dec 9, Connie............ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] tea party II http://www.loudcitizen.com/Misc/teaparty.htm a grassroots effort to send Gore the message PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release December 6, 2000 If you're a tea drinker, you might want to stock up. If a grassroots effort started in Washington State takes hold, tea bags may be in short supply, except at Vice President Al Gore's house. The group, named "The Patriot Newsmen", is calling for an American Tea Party of revolutionary proportions. The idea is based on the historical uprising that took place more than 200 years ago in Boston's Harbor, when colonial revolutionaries dumped tea shipments into the seas, sending a message to the British Crown. Today's revolutionaries have begun buying up tea bags and are marking the little tags with the words "Concede." They'll all be sent to the Vice President's residence in Washington DC. As more communities and people get involved, they hope to bury the Vice President in a protest of tea bags. "Al Gore seems unable to read the court decisions, the polls, the numbers," said one of the protest organizers. "Maybe he can read tea leaves and tell he's lost the backing of the American people and the American system." "It's about time he recognized the unhappiness and outright distress brewing in America," said another Newsmen member. "And frankly, we're sick of talking. This gives all Americans a nice, innocent way to take action and send a message to Mr. Gore. Give it up. Have a cup of tea and see us again in four years." Send a copy of the above press release to your local papers, TV and radio stations with a tea bag attached. Better yet, deliver them personally. Advertise! Call your local talk shows. Do whatever you have to do to get your town notified to bring their tea bags to the rally. Get some boxes, crates, etc to your rally. For photo purposes, it's better to have smaller boxes full of bags than one big one you can't fill. You might decide on a spokesperson who can speak to the media about the project. Tell everyone to write Concede on the individual wrappers of the tea bags. You can even have another photo op when your group gets together to seal and address the boxes, or when you send them off. Some are even sending bags in individual envelopes. Put out a decorated coffee can at the rally so people can chip in for the postage. Get these sent out ASAP for maximum impact, preferably yet on Saturday or Monday at the latest. Use your imagination and have fun! Pack your tea bags in boxes and send them ASAP to: Vice President of the United States Albert Gore, Jr. Admiral House 34th & Massachusetts Washington, D.C. 20005 Connie........... .....dedicated to advocacy for the Biochemically Brain Disordered Connie Marie, Friend occupied Texas city of Irving [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 00 16:29:53 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Gore calls upon UN to investigate election.... (fwd) Looks like Gore just committed suicide..... On Dec 10, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Smith Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: [JBS] Gore calls upon UN to investigate election.... > MARCHING TO GLOBAL GOVERNANCE > > Will the United Nations monitor future US > elections?--Rick Wiles > > Calls for United Nation's intervention in > America's election chaos are growing around > the world. Critics of the United States of > America are using the confusion in Florida's > voting to bash the American system of free > elections. They are also using the electoral > deadlock to mock America's meddling in other > nations' elections. Others foreigners are > calling for constitutional changes to the way > the American people elect their president. It > was the Russians who first suggested sending > "international observers" to monitor the voting > in the USA. Interestingly, the Russian proposal > surfaced in the Russian State Duma in mid-October > - weeks before the November 7 deadlock in Florida. > An alliance of deputies told fellow members of the > Duma that the world needed assurance that the vote > in the USA would be fair and honest. Led by a > leader of the Communist Party, Yuri Nikiforenko, > the legislators said they were motivated by a > "profound concern about the danger of falsification > of the results of the U.S. presidential elections." > > Now there's a steady drumbeat around the world by > an assortment of anti-American politicians - including > socialists, communists, and dictators - calling on > the UN to intervene in the American political process. > ...Many third-world nations can't resist using the > Florida deadlock as an opportunity to rub Uncle Sam's > nose in dirt. Tired of the US State Departments > sanctimonious intrusion into their elections, many > nations are calling for international supervision > of future elections in the USA. ...In Zimbabwe, > President Robert Mugabe's spokesman, Jonathan Moyo, > said his nation would be hit with international > sanctions if a candidate were installed as president > without winning the majority of popular votes. > He pointed out that the US State Department > threatens to cut off foreign aid when the US doesn't > approve of outcome of elections in other countries. > Speaking of the Electoral College, Mr. Moyo said, > "We could not get away with something like that in > Zimbabwe without the threat of sanctions." ... > > Some third-world national leaders and news media > openly talked about UN Blue Helmets going to the > USA to investigate Al Gore's charges of "serious > and substantial irregularities" in the voting > process. The news media in the Ivory Coast called > upon the Organization of African Unity to help the > USA find its way out of this "parody of democracy." > ...Will UN observers monitor future American elections? > "The US has always sent observers to other countries > conducting elections to monitor progress," said Datuk > Seri Rafidah Aziz, a cabinet minister in the government > of Kuala Lumpur. "We thought that they had a perfect > electoral system," said Rafidah,"surprisingly this > is not the case." There's a lot of talk about > democracy too. Former Iranian president Akbar Hashemi > Rafsanjani said on Tehran radio that "America's > democracy is an invalid model." He also mocked > the USA's willingness to send "send watchers to > monitor elections in other countries and describes > others as undemocratic."...Last June, western nations > convened a global conference for emerging democracies. > The Community of Democracies, held in Warsaw, was > organized and promoted by the United States. Now > some former communists say the US electoral system > could not pass the scrutiny of the Organization for > Security and Cooperation in Europe. The group supervises > elections in the former communist nations of central and > eastern Europe. > > International experts say the US permits election > procedures in America that it > forbids in other nations. Specifically, American > election procedures that would be > questionable include the use of voting machines, > the requirement that citizens must > register to vote, permitting overseas ballots to > be counted if they arrive up to 10 days > after the election, and broadcasting exit polls > and election results while polls are still > open. ...Dennis Jett, dean of the international > center at the University of Florida, said if > the Florida dispute had taken place in another > country, US monitors would have called > for a rerun of the Palm Beach County vote. > ...Could a prolonged deadlock in the US > election provoke international intervention in > America's electoral system? > What are the ramifications in foreign capitals of > CNN's international news programs > broadcasting Al Gore's charges of corruption and > voting irregularities? Could the > Florida dispute be internationalized? Will > America's habit of messing in other > nations' affairs come back to haunt us? Perhaps > that why George Bush and Al Gore > both sent former Secretaries of State to Florida > to represent their campaigns. On > Wednesday after the voting, Al Gore dispatched > former Clinton cabinet member Warren > Christopher to Florida. Immediately after former > Secretary of State Christopher's arrival > in Florida, George W. Bush sent James Baker - > Secretary of State under Gov. Bush's > father - to Florida to represent the Republicans. > Maybe Vice President Gore and > Governor Bush knew this election would become an > international issue. > (Bolding and underlining added for emphasis) > American Freedom News Top [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 00 19:35:23 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Let the Military Vote [SIGN THE PLEDGE OF SUPPORT] (fwd) On Dec 10, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Let the Military Vote CountTheMilitary.com project of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) We Support our Troops! National Pledge of support to: Senator John Warner, Chairman Senate Armed Services Committee Floyd Davidson Spence, Chairman House Armed Services Committee The American citizens who have signed this Pledge want you to know that we support our troops and fully believe in their fundamental right to vote. It is quite troubling for many Americans to hear that there were calculated efforts to disqualify and Therefore, we respectfully request that you fully investigate all allegations of efforts to prevent Armed Forces personnel from voting or to keep their votes from counting. Thank you,. Prefix First Middle Last Suffix E-mail Address Verify E-mail Address (enter address again) Send me e-mail updates about your legal case and other USJF activities: Yes No December 7, 2000 Our armed forces shouldn't have to fight for the right to vote! Sign your Pledge of Support for our troops and urge our leaders in Congress to fully investigate all allegations of efforts to prevent Armed Forces personnel from voting or to keep their votes from counting. ***NOTICE OF LEGAL ACTION*** Pensacola, Florida: The United States Justice Foundation has joined a lawsuit filed in the Northern District of Florida on behalf of hundreds of military voters. The suit alleges that they were deprived of the right to vote in the Presidential The complaint alleges the following: 1.. The plaintiffs, all current military service members, requested absentee ballots well in advance of the deadline for the current election. 2.. Many plaintiffs did not receive absentee ballots at all. Others had their votes disqualified because they were not delivered to the various jurisdictions in time or lacked the proper postmark or date identification. 3.. There is mounting evidence that military service members have been systematically disenfranchised by the federal government's failure to ensure and protect their fundamental voting rights. We are pursuing this litigation because we believe that there are thousands of those who are fighting to preserve our right to vote who have, themselves, been denied that very right. If all votes count, the votes of military service men and wo For more information and to find out how you can help, sign your Pledge on the left side of the page and click "yes" to receive e-mail updates from USJF. You can also contact USJF directly by sending an e-mail to forusjf@ix.netcom.com. Military Links: U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Armed Services Air Force News Army Times All Hands Magazine (USN) Leatherneck Magazine Center for Military Readiness National Defense Foundation [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 00 19:40:26 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT! (fwd) On Dec 10, Connie............ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ---- Original Message ----- From: CitizenLink To: CitizenLink Members Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT! ///// CITIZENLINK ///// Dec. 8, 2000 URGENT ACTION ALERT! Bad Bill Poised for Vote Lawmakers are urging pro-family citizens to help stop a last-minute move to enact pro-abortion legislation and increase federal spending. Conservatives on Capitol Hill say they are worried that House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott are quietly preparing to concede to lame-duck President Bill Clinton on a proposal that would include a massive increase in spending and initiate bad social policy. "There are a number of provisions that I think are not good for America's families," said Rep. David Weldon, R-Fla., who is leading the opposition to approval of the bill as it currently stands. Specifically, the measure under discussion -- the annual funding bill for the Labor, Health and Human Services and Education departments -- would: ** increase overall funding by a massive $10 billion; ** increase funding for Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, by an estimated $35 million; and ** eliminate an amendment, sponsored by Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., to prevent school-based clinics from dispensing the so-called "morning-after pill" to teens without parental notice or approval. "I just think it is an outrage for a young person to be getting a morning-after pill at their public school without their mother or father knowing about it," Weldon said. "That's crazy, but that's what we're dealing with." Weldon said the anticipated final version of the bill would also mandate that states which receive federal money for school construction abide by restrictive regulations -- regulations that Weldon projects would increase construction costs by up to 30 percent. An aide to House Republicans said lawmakers are in a rush to wrap up business so they can return home for the holidays. That's one reason why, she said, even some normally pro-family members were wavering in their opposition to the inflated and objectionable bill. Supporters of the bill want the measure to be acted upon as early as Dec. 13, but Weldon and other opponents want to keep that from happening. TAKE ACTION Key negotiation could happen this weekend, so please contact your House representative and senators immediately and tell them not to support the version of the Labor/HHS/Education Appropriations Bill that may soon come to the floor with the objectionable provisions mentioned above. Tell them also that "not all eyes are on Florida" -- that you are watching what they do in the final moments of this Congress. Call the Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121, or for more specific information on how to reach your member of Congress, see: http://congress.nw.dc.us/fof [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 00 09:10:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Open letter to Bush & Gore (fwd) On Dec 12, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >To: Governor Bush and Vice President Gore > >We, the undersigned, respectfully submit the following >request to the consideration of Al Gore, Vice >President of the United States, and George W. Bush, >Governor of Texas: > As you may know, many Americans regarded our recent >Presidential election as a choice of the lesser evil. >When it came time to decide which of you we hated the >least, we the people were hopelessly deadlocked. > Frankly, you both give us the creeps. > At this point, it is clear that if Mr. Bush wins the >recount, the Democrats will file lawsuits for every >idiot voter in Florida, and we will hear endless >griping about butterfly ballots and hanging chads. If >Mr. Gore wins, the Republicans who tried to steal the >last election with a fellatio-centric impeachment will >no doubt engage in a similar abuse of the legal >system. > Either way, the wrangling will drag on for years. >Whoever wins will be regarded as a cheater; whoever >loses will be seen as a whiner. There is only >one way to end the squabbling. We propose a duel to >the death-on the open areas outside U.S.territorial >limits (or in Texas), in front of an international >team of observers and a worldwide television audience. > Many great American statesmen, including Andrew >Jackson and Henry Clay, engaged in duels. As one of >you may know, the most famous duel in American >history was between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. >After a humiliating defeat for the Presidency >(involving a tied vote in the Electoral College >and 35 successive tied votes in the House), Burr found >revenge on the dueling field. > Candidates, we implore you: be like those guys. >Settle your differences between yourselves, as men. >Think of the satisfaction of doing by bullet what you >were unable to do by ballot. > Governor Bush, you were young when you decided not to >risk your life for your country; now you have a rare >second chance. We cannot imagine a more graphic >demonstration of your steadfast support for capital >punishment. Furthermore, there's nothing like a quick >shoot-out to put an end to all this unnecessary "vote >counting" and procedural folderol. > Vice President Gore, this is your chance to >demonstrate your superior gun control. With a single, >well-aimed shot from a legally registered handgun, >you can teach Governor Bush a lesson about the >environment by making him part of it. Exercise your >freedom of choice by aborting the Governor's >presidential aspirations, not to mention his life. > Gentlemen, it is time to settle this thing once and >for all. We appreciate that you are willing to lie, >cheat or steal to win this election, but that is not >enough. You must be willing to make the ultimate >sacrifice, for the good of the nation. > P.S. If it should happen that both of you are >mortally wounded in this contest, we trust that our >great Republic shall find some way to endure the loss. > >Sincerely, > >The American Public [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:12:34 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Fw: NEWS - USA SW settles with Boston] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0F07B2D891988121BEC35689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Smith and Wesson remains in character. 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We also gift wrap and have a FREE SHIPPING promotion! http://click.topica.com/aaaa3QaVxjiAaVF8aea/eHobbies \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ > Date: Monday, December 11, 2000 13:28:25 > From: SSAA > To: ssaa-news@adelaide.on.net > Subject: NEWS - USA SW settles with Boston > > Gun maker Smith & Wesson settles suit with Boston > > BOSTON, Dec 11 (Reuters) - Smith & Wesson, the country's oldestgun > maker, agreed on Monday to make far-reaching changes in the way it makes > and sells weapons as part of a settlement with the city of Boston. > > The agreement is nearly identical to one that Smith & Wesson reachedin > March with federal authorities and the governments of other > municipalities and several states. > > It preserves Smith & Wesson's track record of more aggressively seeking > settlements of lawsuits and may expose the company, a unit of British > conglomerate Tomkins Plc. to criticism from other gun makers. > > After its March settlement, the company came in for blistering attacks > from rivals in the industry, the National Rifle Association and gun > owners, some of whom boycotted Smith & Wesson products. The agreement > was hailed by President Bill Clinton and gun control advocates. > > No one from either the Boston mayor's office or Smith & Wesson could be > reached for comment on Monday's settlement. > > "This document is not about conditions that make it impossible to do > business in the firearms industry or to keep a legitimate purchaser > from buying a handgun," the company said in a statement. > > "It is about insuring that those that obtain Smith & Wesson firearms do > so in compliance with the law and that those that buy and sell our > products as part of the distribution process follow the letter of the > law." > > AGREEMENT COVERS LOCKS > > Under the agreement, which still has to be approved by a judge, Smith & > Wesson agreed to immediately start selling all its guns with external > locks and to equip them with internal locks within two years. > > It also agreed to devote 2 percent of its revenues to developing safety > technology, including smart-gun systems to prevent anyone but the > authorized user from firing a specific gun. > > The company agreed to improve child safety features within three years > to effectively preclude a typical 5-year-old from firing any of its > guns. > > Smith & Wesson agreed to require background checks at all its dealers > and at > gun shows; to include a second, hidden serial number on each weapon; and > to > work with federal authorities to test every gun and enter the results on > a database to aid in tracing used cartridges found at crime scenes. > > After Smith & Wesson settled the suit in March, sales slumped and the > company > laid off workers. Tomkins has said it wants to sell the firm, but no > progress > has been announced on that front. > > 21:21 12-11-00 > ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics - --------------0F07B2D891988121BEC35689-- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #407 *************************