From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #408 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, December 15 2000 Volume 02 : Number 408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 00 21:52:49 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Resolution to Save The Electoral College (fwd) On Dec 13, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Resolution to save electoral college Date: 12/13/2000 4:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time From: apcalert@americanpolicy.org (Apc) *****APC NEWSWIRE***** http://www.americanpolicy.org/ December 13, 2000 Volume 3, Issue 15 A Publication of the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President Peyton Knight, Editor 13873 Park Center Road Herndon, VA 20171 703-925-0881 FAX: 703-925-0991 apc@americanpolicy.org ***Congressional Resolution to Save Electoral College from Liberal Attacks The hubbub surrounding the current election debacle is prompting many liberals in Congress to steer our current electoral process away from the Electoral College and toward a popular national vote. The liberal media establishment is feeding this insanity with their constant references to =E2=80=9CAmerican democracy=E2=80=9D and our =E2=80=9Cdemocra= tic system of government.=E2=80=9D You can almost hear our Founding Fathers rolling over= in their graves. America was, of course, established as a Constitutional Republic. A republican form of government ensures that the inherent rights of all individuals are protected from the selfish desires of a simple majority. This guarantee of equal rights is manifested in the Electoral College, which protects smaller, less populous states from being dominated by liberal, urban centers in our national elections. Who=E2=80=99s leading the charge of liberal collectivists? None other than Senator-Elect Hillary Clinton of New York. She=E2=80=99s been quoted: =E2=80=9CI believe strongly that in a democracy we should respect the will = of the people, and to me that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our Presidents.=E2=80=9D Wow. The woman with zero political experience, who once tried to socialize our healthcare system, is now prepared to destroy one of the last pure bastions of our Republic=E2=80=A6for good. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) has responded to this idiocy with H. Con. Res. 443, =E2=80=9CExpressing the sense of the Congress in reaffirming the United States of America as a republic.=E2=80=9D This resolution is vital = to thwarting the liberal attack on our electoral process. As Rep. Paul stated in his weekly column: =E2=80=9CThey [liberals] want to nullify the voting power of the smaller, pro-liberty states. Supporters of my resolution in Congress can send a strong message that every state still matters, and that liberty is more important than shifting majority sentiment.=E2=80=9D We need to take a strong stand to protect the Electoral College and the U.S. Constitution by building support for H. Con. Res. 443=E2=80=A6NOW! **ACTION TO TAKE 1. Call your Representative and demand that he or she support this vital resolution. Capitol Hill House Switchboard: (202) 225-3121. (Simply ask for your Representative by name) 2. Call Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, and urge him to support H. Con. Res. 443. Rep. Hastert: (202) 225-2976. CALL HIM TODAY! ***IRS to Target Conservative Non-Profits and Regulate the Internet In its relentless pursuit to regulate both the Internet and conservative non-profit organizations, the Internal Revenue Service thinks it has found a way to kill two birds with one stone. Recently, the IRS sneakily released =E2=80=9CAnnouncement 2000-84=E2=80=9D soliciting public = comment on newly proposed regulations for charities, think tanks, and non-profit educational foundations. Specifically, the tax mongers want to regulate certain forms of speech, even restrict who a think tank is allowed to =E2=80=9Clink to=E2=80=9D on t= heir website. This is a thinly veiled attempt by the IRS to continue their assault on conservative non-profit organizations=E2=80=94with the added bon= us of sticking their grubby, little, regulatory hands into the Internet cookie jar. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) condemned the IRS, saying, =E2=80=9CThe IRS has no business getting involved in whether a think tank h= as links on its website=E2=80=A6We will be watching what they do, and we will = not tolerate any backdoor attempt to regulate the Internet.=E2=80=9D **ACTION TO TAKE 1. Tell the IRS you oppose any attempt to regulate non-profits and the Internet! Write, call, and email your objections to =E2=80=9CAnnouncement 2000-84.=E2=80=9D The public comment period on this issue closes February = 13, 2001. Comments are to be directed to Judith E. Kindell, the principal author of the announcement, at: IRS, 1111 Constitution Ave. NW, Washington, D.C. 20224. Ms. Kindell=E2=80=99s email address is TE/GE-Exempt-2@irs.gov The phone number of the IRS is (202) 622-4010. 2. Call your Representative and both of your Senators and urge them to stop any attempt by the IRS to regulate the Internet and damage the non-profit industry. Capitol Hill House Switchboard: (202) 225-3121. Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard: (202) 224-3121. ******************************************** Do you subscribe to the DeWeese Report, the American Policy Center's premier publication that investigates and exposes the agendas of the most powerful political movements in our society and includes facts you can use everyday to protect your children, your property and your personal privacy? If you would like to subscribe or know more information, click here: http://www.americanpolicy.org/deweese/main.htm ******************************************** To unsubscribe from the APC Action Alert System, write to apc@americanpolicy.org and put "unsubscribe" in the subject with your email address in the body of the message. (If you are receiving this message but did not request a subscription, you may have been subscribed by a friend who thought you would enjoy it. We do not "spam" potential readers, nor do we distribute our e-mail address data to any third party under any circumstances!) ***PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO 5 MORE PEOPLE*** [---------------------------Forwarded message ends-------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 00 23:47:25 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Marxist media elite aided and abetted Gore's Lies (fwd) On Dec 13, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Comment: Remember These 'Terrible People' Phil Brennan Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2000 The American Spectator's John Corry put it best: "Al Gore and his people are spoilers. If they can't win the White House, they will discredit the administration of George Bush. Donna Brazile, Gore's campaign manager, is working with the Democratic National Committee and the unions to stage demonstrations. What matters to them is not the country, but their ability to seize and hold power. They really are terrible people." It's important that we remember that. To be forewarned is to be forearmed, and in recent weeks we've certainly had plenty of warning that we are dealing with the very worst of John Corry's terrible people. Enough warning to know that we'd better be forearmed and ready to take on a determined mob bent on usurping power. I hate to harp on it, but we are engaged in a war a genuine civil war and at stake are our liberties and our ability to govern ourselves. We face a relentless, conscienceless enemy that has proven it will stop at nothing to get what it wants. These people will lie, cheat, and resort to slander, bribery, chicanery, and every form of corruption. Nothing will deter them, not the law, not the Constitution that gives it force and legitimacy, not morality, not ethics. There are no limits to their determination to achieve absolute domination over the people of America. We hear the siren song that would lull us into accepting the belief that somehow we can reach an accommodation with these terrible people. We are told that reasonable people can find common ground upon which they can agree. But these are not reasonable people. There is no common ground those who cherish freedom can find with those whose idea of freedom is the freedom only to agree with them. Look at what they have done in the past month. Without a moment's hesitation they have plunged this nation into chaos, divided the American people into warring parties, created a bitterness between them that will linger for years to come, and promised that if they don't get what they want they will do everything in their power to further divide the people and prolong the national agony. And, aided and abetted by our Marxist media elite, they have based their case on a series of lies. It's an old tactic with these people: Confuse the issue with mantras, and they are very good at it. They learned a lot in fighting for abortion. Killing babies in their mothers' wombs, a grisly business no pro-abortionist wants to defend on its merits, becomes a civil rights issue it's no longer a matter of killing an unborn human being, it's a "woman's right to choose." The baby becomes a nonentity, a meaningless collection of tissue and flimsy bones. The baby's right to life is subordinated to its mother's right to choose. Move on to the impeachment of William Jefferson Blythe aka Clinton. The president lied his teeth out, committed perjury, obstructed justice and otherwise demeaned his office as no other chief executive before him. His conduct was indefensible and criminal except that it was, after all, "just about sex." That brings us to the mantra "Every vote must count," even when they are clearly not votes. This is perhaps the boldest attempt yet to confuse an issue and win it by slogan. "Ten thousands votes in Miami-Dade were never counted," we heard over and over again. One could correct the speaker point out that they weren't tabulated because they were not legitimate votes; the machine counted them but did not tabulate them and the speaker would simply continue to chant the mantra. Of course, you can't get away with this if the media are doing their job pointing out the outrageous sophistry of the mantra but the media do not do their job because they are allies of the sophists. Instead they repeat the mantras. This is shameful. But it's only a small part of the story. These terrible people aided and abetted vote fraud all across the nation, helping convicted felons and noncitizens to vote by the tens if not the hundreds of thousands. As Jude Wanniski has pointed out, discounting all these fraudulent votes would show that Bush won the popular vote and probably a lot more states than are now in his column. Then there is Jesse Jackson, all but calling for blood in the streets, without a shred of evidence, making explosive charges of racial discrimination in the Florida voting that are nothing more than figments of his demagogic imagination. Remember all of this. Keep it in mind. Remember who and what we are dealing with. Get ready to do battle with the terrible people your liberty and the futures of your children and grandchildren demand no less. Eamus! Phil Brennan is editor and publisher of Wednesday on the Web, http://www.pvbr.com. He is a veteran journalist and one-time Washington correspondent for National Review magazine and a former staff aide to the House Republican Policy Committee. E-mail: pvb@pvbr.com. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/12/164212.shtml http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/printer_friendly.pl Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 00 07:36:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [UWSA] Roosevelt talks tough on Scouts (fwd) On Dec 14, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@excite.com It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. _______________________________________________ INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY Note new ISP RichSlick@excite.com - --- Support Our Sponsor ------------------------------------ Come to the 2001 International CES in Las Vegas! 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Register today! http://click.topica.com/aaaa2Fb1dh9Cb1yqKZa/ConsumerElectronic - ------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:11:41 -0800, Jack Perrine wrote: > [ And one imagines that if Teddy Roosevelt had commented on Gays any > piece of paper the comments were written on would flame instantly.... > and so of course a society that condemns scouts and presently for a > brief time likes Gays is about to go down in a massive constitutional > crisis > > Jack ] > > Roosevelt talks tough on Scouts > Charley Reese > December 10, 2000 > http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/columnists/orl-reese121000.column > > > I thought it might make an interesting contrast with current circumstances > to read the words of advice that Teddy Roosevelt gave the Boy Scouts in 1911. > > Before I quote his words, which cynics will say are corny, let me remind > you that these words did not come from either a naive or a wimpy man. > Roosevelt had known the death of loved ones, the hardship of ranching in > the Dakotas, the fierce infighting of being a police commissioner of New > York City, a member of the legislature, a governor, a vice president and a > president. > > He had built the Panama Canal, and he had led men in combat and killed men > in personal combat. There is no modern politician I know of whose resume > comes even close to that of Teddy Roosevelt. > > In a letter to a Scout executive, Roosevelt wrote, "The movement is one for > efficiency and patriotism. It does not try to make soldiers of Boy Scouts > but to make boys who will turn out as men to be fine citizens and who will, > if their country needs them, make better soldiers for having been Scouts. > > "No man is a good citizen unless he so acts as to show that he actually > uses the Ten Commandments and translates the Golden Rule into his life > conduct and I don't mean by this in exceptional cases under spectacular > circumstances, but I mean applying the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule > in the ordinary affairs of every-day life. I hope the Boy Scouts will > practice truth and square dealing and courage and honesty. The man who > counts and the boy who counts are the man and boy who steadily endeavor to > build up, to improve, to better living conditions everywhere and all about > them. > > "The same qualities that mean success or failure to the nation as a whole > mean success or failure in men and boys individually. To be helpless, > self-indulgent, or wasteful will turn the boy into a mighty poor kind of > man just as the indulgence in such vices by the men of a nation means the > ruin of a nation. Any boy is worth nothing if he has not got courage, > courage to stand up against the forces of evil and courage to stand up in > the right path. Let him be unselfish and gentle, as well as strong and > brave. It should be a matter of pride to him that he is not afraid of > anyone and that he scorns not to be gentle and considerate to everyone, > especially to those who are weaker than he is. If he doesn't treat his > mother and sisters well, then he is a poor creature no matter what else he > does; just as a man who doesn't treat his wife well is a poor kind of > citizen no matter what his other qualities may be. Let the boy remember he > must have knowledge, he must cultivate a sound body and a good mind and > train himself so that he can act with quick decision in any crisis that may > arise. Mind, eye, muscle all must be trained so that the boy can master > himself and thereby learn to master his fate." > > This letter is taken from the very first Boy Scout handbook. It has been > reprinted by Applewood Books, Bedford, Mass., and shows an organization > that was pretty tough. It contains, for example, instructions about how to > kill a mad dog and how to stop a runaway horse. > > It's hard to imagine a modern president giving the same advice that Teddy > Roosevelt offered. Most recent presidents have more or less fractured the > Ten Commandments, and, of course, Bill Clinton has not treated his wife nor > any other woman well. And nowadays there are people attacking the Boy > Scouts rather than encouraging them, because they refuse to compromise on > religion and morality. Such is the ruined state of the nation today. > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 > _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ > Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 00 07:38:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: *A MUST* AN OPEN LETTER TO DEMOCRATS by Dennis Prager *A MUST* (fwd) On Dec 14, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [ IMPORTANT YOU REPOST FAR AND WIDE. ] An Open Letter to Democrats November 30, 2000 By Dennis Prager. Mr. Prager hosts a national daily radio show based in Los Angeles and is a director of Empower America. He is author of "Happiness Is a Serious Problem" (HarperCollins, 1998). You finally made a big mistake. You probably never thought you would live to see middle America and mainstream Republicans galvanized to resist your ongoing takeover of America. But like other power-hungry groups in history, you didn't know when to hold back. Your party and its standard bearer, Al Gore, have attempted to thwart an election not in the quiet of the night (as in 1960) but in daylight, before the cameras of the world. And finally we have begun to resist. Most of us have never attended a political demonstration. Most of us are not particularly political, preferring work, family, sports, and communal associations to political activism. But now we are angry. By golly, even Bob Dole is angry. Republicans are actually organizing demonstrations. Such activism is so rare that "conservative activist" is an oxymoron. But for the time being you have changed that. Call it the Chad Revolt. In fact, it is thanks to your changing ballot-counting rules, your emphasis on hand counts in only those Florida districts you dominate, your invalidation of military ballots, your sending of Jesse Jackson to rouse race-based anger and of Alan Dershowitz to smear Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, that many of us have decided, finally, to fight back. We have watched in silence as you have undermined our children's schools, taking more and more money to pay for union members who teach our children less and less. We have watched in silence as you have taken over our once-great universities, as you have substituted political correctness for pursuit of truth. We have watched radical students in university after university shout down the few conservatives ever invited to speak on campus -- while liberal college presidents and deans defend this censorship of speech. We have watched in silence as the fires of racial hatred and anger have been repeatedly stoked by "civil rights leaders" such as Al Sharpton and Kweisi Mfume. Most recently we saw the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People run an ad on American television associating George W. Bush with the lynching of James Byrd. This ad was perhaps the most venomous political ad ever shown on American television, yet no liberal or Democrat offered a condemnation. We have watched in silence as organization after organization has been taken over by liberal and Democratic activists -- from the American Bar Association, to the League of Women Voters, to the American Library Association, to the American Psychological Association, and on to virtually every academic association. We have watched in silence as you attempt to destroy the Boy Scouts, one of the only groups helping boys, especially inner-city boys who have no other constructive outlet for their energies. We have watched in silence as you have made war on the "masculinist" culture of the military, leaving a demoralized and less effective military in the wake of your social experimentation. We have watched in silence as you've taken over children's courts and the ranks of social workers. Many of these people believe that children are better off with no parents than with parents of a different race. They believe that children should almost always be given back to blood-related parents, even those who horribly abuse them. We have watched in silence as trial lawyers take over more and more of American life, leaving citizens prey to lawsuits they cannot defend themselves against. We watch them dominate the Democratic Party, and we watch them become judges who substitute their wills for the democratic process. We have watched in silence as the White House and its sacred rooms have been put up for sale to Democratic party donors and Hollywood stars, as the presidency has been degraded to the point where young people could ask the president of the U.S. on national television what type of underpants he wears. We watched Bill Clinton respond to that question. Likewise, we watched Mr. Gore attempt to demonstrate to the nation that a prolonged and probing kiss before a large national audience somehow dignifies the office of president. We have watched in silence as the leading news media have become indistinguishable from liberal spokespeople, to the extent that NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw actually said "we are ahead" when speaking about Democratic electoral gains on election night. We have watched in silence as the Democratic Party has relied on fomenting anger among Americans for its victories. The more that blacks are angry at whites, the more they vote Democrat. The more that Jews fear Christians, the more they vote Democrat. And the more women distrust men, the more they vote Democrat. Given all this silence in the face of your attempt to control America, it is no wonder you thought you could litigate your way to the presidency. And maybe you could. But lo and behold, the rest of us are beginning to fight. Not enough yet to take back the schools or the courts or the professional organizations or the news media. But enough to let you know that we are out here. Yes, that large block of America between New York and California that in your hearts you believe to be racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, homophobic and misogynist, is fighting back. You think that way because, in your arrogance, you confuse liberal with decent. But tens of millions of us have a different view of liberal -- as increasingly nihilist. And now, thanks to Mr. Gore not having the decency to do what Richard Nixon did 40 years ago, much of America might still find you frightening, but they no longer find you intimidating. Thankfully for America, you made a big mistake. PH: (800) 225-8584 | FAX: (303) 784-8795 | 8200 S. Akron St., Suite 103, Englewood, CO, 80112 http://www.dennisprager.com/articles_reviews/articles/wsj_letter_to_dems.htm Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:08:26 -0600 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: FMNews: Secession F M N e w s -- The Freedom Network Newsletter -------------------------------------------------- (Dec 13, 2000 edition) Secession: Breaking up is hard to do http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/secession/ Talk of secession has been off-limits in the U.S. ever since that little misunderstanding in the 1860s. Today though, after the bizarre presidential election that wouldn't end, people are talking about whether North America's current political borders make sense. (This page has numerous links to news articles, op/ed pieces, liberty and secession pages, etc.--good jumping off point.) Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 00 05:32:36 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: IRS Buys 2,500 Extra Pistols [just in case] (fwd) On Dec 14, Dave wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IRS purchases 2,500 extra pistols, 1,000 extra shotguns, and a "Recognition Image Processing System." (???) Sounds like the "kinder and gentler" IRS is here! "Good Morning citizen. We are here to help you. PAPERS PLEASE!!!" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 00 11:29:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Oklahoma's Challenge To The World Banksters... (fwd) On Dec 15, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: freedompage@mindspring.com (Freedom Page) Friends, As I reported to you several days ago, the non-ratification of the 16th Amendment is beginning to get a lot of attention. For now, the focus is on Oklahoma. After setting the record straight in Oklahoma, the focus will be on other states that were listed as having ratified but in fact, did not. Jim Hardin From: Dan Meador Subject: OKLAHOMA 16TH AMENDMENT CHALLENGE Particulars of the Oklahoma 16th Amendment Initiative Oklahoma constitutional advocates will offer the 2001 session of the Oklahoma Legislature the opportunity to correct historical error: The 1910 session of the Oklahoma Legislature was credited with endorsing the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the so-called income tax amendment, when in fact the 1910 legislature did not approve the amendment Congress proposed in 1909. The Secretary of State declared that the amendment had been ratified by 38 states in 1913, but that was clearly not the case. Ratification by 36 of the 48 state legislatures was required, so if Oklahoma and two more legislatures notify Congress that their respective states did not ratify the amendment, the situation Congress would have on its hands would be nearly as interesting as the current presidential election dispute. Text of the Sixteenth Amendment is as follows: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." The 1910 edition of Oklahoma Legislature journals reflects what the Oklahoma Legislature allegedly ratified via House Joint Resolution No. 5: "Article 16. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and from any census or enumeration." Whatever the Oklahoma Legislature did, it obviously didn=EDt ratify the Sixteenth Amendment Congress proposed. In fact, the Oklahoma version stands in direct opposition to the last clause. But that=EDs only part of the story. The Oklahoma Legislature journal documents that the House of Representatives intentionally amended the proposed amendment, then the Senate not satisfied with the House version, constructed a second amended version. The Senate version was sent to the Secretary of State without the House of Representatives considering and endorsing the Senate version. Where the first issue is concerned, the concurrence rule governs: "The senate and the house must agree on the exact text of any bill before they may send it to the governor. There may not be the slightest variance, etc." (State ex rel., Ashcroft v. Blunt (696 S.W.2d 329, Missouri 1985) In sum, all legislative bodies party to enacting any law, whether constitutional amendment or otherwise, must be in concurrence. Any deviation nullifies that alleged law. It is of no effect. In Oklahoma, the Senate and House respectively endorsed something, but they did not endorse the same legislation. Only Kentucky seems to have a worse record on this score with respect to the Sixteenth Amendment. There, the House ratified the proposed amendment but the Senate rejected it. It was sent to or acquired by the U.S. Secretary of State without both houses of the Kentucky Legislature ratifying it. In a recent telephone visit with Bill Benson of Illinois, who secured documentation relating to the Sixteenth Amendment from archives of the 48 states existent in 1913, I asked how many state legislatures actually ratified the Sixteenth Amendment as Congress offered it or in compliance with procedural requirements. Benson said that he believes virtually any state ratification can be challenged. Even where it first appeared a state legislature properly ratified the proposed amendment, procedural flaws have since been found. Alabama attorney Larry Becraft drafted a proposed joint resolution of the Oklahoma Legislature to consider: ENGROSSED HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. _____ By: (Representative) A Concurrent Resolution memorializing the United States Congress and other officials of the Government of the United States that the Second Oklahoma Legislature convened in 1910 failed to lawfully and legally ratify the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, the federal income tax amendment, and directing distribution. WHEREAS, Article V of the Constitution for the United States of America authorizes the Congress to submit amendments thereof to the States of this Union which "when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states" become a part of such Constitution, WHEREAS, no State is authorized to alter or change in any way the amendment which the Congress proposes, WHEREAS, in 1909 the Sixty-first Congress proposed an amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America via Senate Joint Resolution No. 40 which reads in words and phrases as follows, to-wit: "Article XVI. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." WHEREAS, in 1910 the Second Legislature for the State of Oklahoma responded to such Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, and adopted House Joint Resolution No. 5, approved March 14, 1910, WHEREAS, the constitutional amendment which was approved by House Joint Resolution No. 5 read in words and phrases as follows, to-wit: "Article 16: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and from any census or enumeration." WHEREAS, the amendment to which the Second Legislature for the State of Oklahoma agreed means the opposite of that which was proposed by Congress, WHEREAS, the Second Legislature for the State of Oklahoma failed in 1910 to legally and lawfully ratify the amendment which the Sixty-first Congress proposed. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 48TH OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE, THE SENATE CONCURRING THEREIN: THAT the Oklahoma Legislature hereby memorializes the Congress of the United States to review and examine certified copies of the Journals of the 1910 Senate and House of the Oklahoma Legislature, which will be provided upon request, and similarly conclude and resolve that the Second Legislature of the State of Oklahoma failed to legally and lawfully ratify the Sixteenth Amendment. THAT copies of this resolution be sent to the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation; the Governor; the Clerk of the United States House of Representatives; the Secretary of the United States Senate; and the state legislative leaders of all fifty states. Adopted by the House of Representatives the ___ day of ________, 2001. _______________________ Speaker of the House of Representatives Adopted by the Senate the ____ day of ___________, 2001. _______________________ President of the Senate _____ Also, Becraft constructed a suggested model letter to send to Oklahoma officials: ____ From the desk of (insert your name & address) December 8, 2000 PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES Governor Frank Keating Room 212, State Capitol Building 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd. Oklahoma City, OK 73105 Lieutenant Governor Mary Fallin Room 211, State Capitol Building 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd. Oklahoma City, OK 73105 Sec. of State Mike Hunter Room 101, State Capitol Building 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd. Oklahoma City, OK 73105-4897 Re: Alleged ratification of the 16th Amendment Dear (insert name of govt. official addressee), In 1909, the United States Congress proposed to the States of this nation that the 16th Amendment, the federal income tax amendment, be ratified and made a part of the United States Constitution. This amendment as offered to the States by Congress read as follows: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration." In February, 1913, after a number of States had delivered to U.S. Secretary of State Philander Knox a variety of documents regarding this proposal, Knox proclaimed that 38 States had ratified the amendment and thus it was a part of the U.S. Constitution. At that time, the approval of 36 States was needed to ratify this amendment. It is alleged that Oklahoma was one of the 38 States to have ratified this amendment. However, a review of the 1910 Oklahoma Session Laws reveals that House Joint Resolution No. 5, which purports to have ratified this amendment, read as follows: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and from any census or enumeration." What Oklahoma adopted as this amendment means the exact opposite of the amendment which Congress proposed and this is shown by the deliberate change in the wording of the amendment itself. Legislature bodies must agree upon the precise language in legislative acts; see Ashcroft v. Blunt, 696 S.W.2d 329 (Mo. 1985). It appears clear to me that Oklahoma failed to legally ratify this amendment. The Oklahoma Constitution authorizes the people to seek redress of grievances from the government and that is the purpose of this letter. It cannot be doubted that the 1910 Oklahoma legislature deliberately changed the wording of this amendment, a power it did not possess, and that activity made the actions of the 1910 Oklahoma legislature void. I request that you inform the current Oklahoma legislature of this defect and seek from them a determination that this amendment was not ratified. Your attention to my request is appreciated. Your truly, (Your name) ____________ People throughout Oklahoma are encouraged to submit the proposed legislation to members of the Oklahoma Legislature and encourage them to sign on as sponsors. People throughout the nation are encouraged to send support letters to Oklahoma officials. There will be a preliminary meeting on January 6th so solidify support and coordinate a demonstration scheduled January 19th at the Oklahoma Capitol. The January 6th meeting location will be announced in the next week or so. Becraft will speak at the meeting and Benson will participate providing a personal medical situation doesn't interfere. Dan Meador 1108 N. 2nd Street Ponca City, Oklahoma (580) 765-1415 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #408 *************************